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Post by njdragon on Jan 18, 2022 16:35:28 GMT
If Roberts is an easy scapegoat, does that say something about his perceived contribution (or lack of) on the pitch in the first place? If the bloke was any use he wouldn’t come up in these sort of debates. Personally I’m struggling to think of any sort of positive impact he has had on any Wales game I have seen him in. I can however, think of at least two performances where he has basically been like an extra man for the opposition though. Under those circumstances it’s hard to think that someone like Lawrence could possibly have been worse. To some this debate is yet another triviality about squad picks, like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Yet Roberts consistently gets on the pitch under Page. He seems to be something of a favourite despite doing nothing in a Wales shirt to justify it. Given that’s the case to me picking Roberts carries a lot of significance so I for one will be quite concerned if Roberts were to be picked for the play offs whilst Lawrence, in good goal scoring form, would appear to have been omitted. My main point is that Lawrence would not have made a difference against the Danes as you implied, for the same reason that none of Bale/Ramsey/James/Moore/Brooks/Wilson did, and indeed Roberts. And you just brought Roberts up as an easy target. If we're looking at it objectively, Lawrence made a shit case for being included in the euros with just 3 goals in total the previous season. So I would say criticisms of his omission back then is an act of revisionism. it amazes me this benefit of hindsight you have. 3 goals how many did roberts have? Lawrence has 3 goals for wales. Has roberts ever scored for us, and him according to leeds is a striker? Criticism of his omission is pointless now but there's a point which is valid. He's a better option for us that roberts. |
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Post by insertname on Jan 18, 2022 17:00:04 GMT
If Roberts is an easy scapegoat, does that say something about his perceived contribution (or lack of) on the pitch in the first place? If the bloke was any use he wouldn’t come up in these sort of debates. Personally I’m struggling to think of any sort of positive impact he has had on any Wales game I have seen him in. I can however, think of at least two performances where he has basically been like an extra man for the opposition though. Under those circumstances it’s hard to think that someone like Lawrence could possibly have been worse. To some this debate is yet another triviality about squad picks, like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Yet Roberts consistently gets on the pitch under Page. He seems to be something of a favourite despite doing nothing in a Wales shirt to justify it. Given that’s the case to me picking Roberts carries a lot of significance so I for one will be quite concerned if Roberts were to be picked for the play offs whilst Lawrence, in good goal scoring form, would appear to have been omitted. My main point is that Lawrence would not have made a difference against the Danes as you implied, for the same reason that none of Bale/Ramsey/James/Moore/Brooks/Wilson did, and indeed Roberts. And you just brought Roberts up as an easy target. If we're looking at it objectively, Lawrence made a shit case for being included in the euros with just 3 goals in total the previous season. So I would say criticisms of his omission back then is an act of revisionism. It’s hard to argue against that, I suppose my gripe is less trying to extol the virtues of Lawrence (back then I mean, his form is markedly better at the moment and deserves praise) but rather that as bad as everyone else was Roberts was on a different planet, like subbing on an extra Danish player. It’s hard to see who would have done worse, be that Lawrence, Vokes, hell, even Church. He shouldn’t have been there, he was out of his depth and I couldn’t blame any Welsh qualified player watching on TV who saw the game against Denmark and thought “I would offer more than this clown!”. But yeah, to a lesser extent the same could be said for a few other players that day too |
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Post by insertname on Jan 18, 2022 17:07:12 GMT
My main point is that Lawrence would not have made a difference against the Danes as you implied, for the same reason that none of Bale/Ramsey/James/Moore/Brooks/Wilson did, and indeed Roberts. And you just brought Roberts up as an easy target. If we're looking at it objectively, Lawrence made a shit case for being included in the euros with just 3 goals in total the previous season. So I would say criticisms of his omission back then is an act of revisionism. it amazes me this benefit of hindsight you have. 3 goals how many did roberts have? Lawrence has 3 goals for wales. Has roberts ever scored for us, and him according to leeds is a striker? Criticism of his omission is pointless now but there's a point which is valid. He's a better option for us that roberts. The problem is that, whilst true, there is a danger of turning Lawrence vs Roberts at the Euros into the modern day Bradshaw vs Church and I don’t think we need to labour that point so much that we go down that road! 😂 Looking at it right now the big picture is that Lawrence merits a call up more than most of our other options if only because he is playing regularly and scoring at a decent level. Obviously you aren’t going to drop Bale for him but if he doesn’t get picked and someone like Roberts does then I’m sure we’d all agree that questions would deserve to be asked. Apart from Kieffer there are very few players of ours who are scoring goals at club level so whatever people’s thoughts on Lawrence’s all round play his goal scoring form alone has to count for something (providing his form continues of course). Bale is our main non-scoring forward we don’t need loads more in that vein like Harris and Roberts. |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 18, 2022 17:22:45 GMT
it amazes me this benefit of hindsight you have. 3 goals how many did roberts have? Lawrence has 3 goals for wales. Has roberts ever scored for us, and him according to leeds is a striker? Criticism of his omission is pointless now but there's a point which is valid. He's a better option for us that roberts. The problem is that, whilst true, there is a danger of turning Lawrence vs Roberts at the Euros into the modern day Bradshaw vs Church and I don’t think we need to labour that point so much that we go down that road! 😂 Looking at it right now the big picture is that Lawrence merits a call up more than most of our other options if only because he is playing regularly and scoring at a decent level. Obviously you aren’t going to drop Bale for him but if he doesn’t get picked and someone like Roberts does then I’m sure we’d all agree that questions would deserve to be asked. Apart from Kieffer there are very few players of ours who are scoring goals at club level so whatever people’s thoughts on Lawrence’s all round play his goal scoring form alone has to count for something (providing his form continues of course). Bale is our main non-scoring forward we don’t need loads more in that vein like Harris and Roberts. An inform striker for wales in invaluable and to overlook him would be crazy! |
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 18, 2022 23:46:02 GMT
My main point is that Lawrence would not have made a difference against the Danes as you implied, for the same reason that none of Bale/Ramsey/James/Moore/Brooks/Wilson did, and indeed Roberts. And you just brought Roberts up as an easy target. If we're looking at it objectively, Lawrence made a shit case for being included in the euros with just 3 goals in total the previous season. So I would say criticisms of his omission back then is an act of revisionism. It’s hard to argue against that, I suppose my gripe is less trying to extol the virtues of Lawrence (back then I mean, his form is markedly better at the moment and deserves praise) but rather that as bad as everyone else was Roberts was on a different planet, like subbing on an extra Danish player. It’s hard to see who would have done worse, be that Lawrence, Vokes, hell, even Church. He shouldn’t have been there, he was out of his depth and I couldn’t blame any Welsh qualified player watching on TV who saw the game against Denmark and thought “I would offer more than this clown!”. But yeah, to a lesser extent the same could be said for a few other players that day too Are you talking about the right game? Roberts didn’t come on until about 10 mins from the end and the game was well lost by then and I don’t recall him doing that much worse than everyone else when he came on. |
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Post by iot on Jan 19, 2022 0:11:45 GMT
It’s hard to argue against that, I suppose my gripe is less trying to extol the virtues of Lawrence (back then I mean, his form is markedly better at the moment and deserves praise) but rather that as bad as everyone else was Roberts was on a different planet, like subbing on an extra Danish player. It’s hard to see who would have done worse, be that Lawrence, Vokes, hell, even Church. He shouldn’t have been there, he was out of his depth and I couldn’t blame any Welsh qualified player watching on TV who saw the game against Denmark and thought “I would offer more than this clown!”. But yeah, to a lesser extent the same could be said for a few other players that day too Are you talking about the right game? Roberts didn’t come on until about 10 mins from the end and the game was well lost by then and I don’t recall him doing that much worse than everyone else when he came on. Yeah, I think he's just doubled down on comments to the point of making things up unfortunately |
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Post by insertname on Jan 19, 2022 2:14:23 GMT
It’s hard to argue against that, I suppose my gripe is less trying to extol the virtues of Lawrence (back then I mean, his form is markedly better at the moment and deserves praise) but rather that as bad as everyone else was Roberts was on a different planet, like subbing on an extra Danish player. It’s hard to see who would have done worse, be that Lawrence, Vokes, hell, even Church. He shouldn’t have been there, he was out of his depth and I couldn’t blame any Welsh qualified player watching on TV who saw the game against Denmark and thought “I would offer more than this clown!”. But yeah, to a lesser extent the same could be said for a few other players that day too Are you talking about the right game? Roberts didn’t come on until about 10 mins from the end and the game was well lost by then and I don’t recall him doing that much worse than everyone else when he came on. To check if my memory was playing tricks I checked some ratings and the only one that had a comment said “Struggled to get into the game” which sounds about right. He looked like he’d won a competition or something and I recall that it annoyed me that he was the best we could do for a substitute. Alright the game might have already been long gone by that point but his non-performance in that cameo was nothing if not prophetic of how it’s gone for him since was it? I don’t think anyone can argue that. Capped by that howler against Estonia. Just awful. But of course in his defence he shouldn’t be picked in the first place, he has proved enough times that he is not international class yet but still keeps getting picked and played in the wrong position by the manager. Generally I’m a fan of Page but, and I know people hate me saying it but I don’t care, he does seem to have favourites in certain positions and Roberts is one of them |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 19, 2022 14:30:21 GMT
I think the other point that people continually miss in debates like this is that it's more than just goal scoring form that comes into it
We have a very settled squad, one that clearly gets on with one another, and players who have established relationships / connections. The management might feel that despite Lawrence's good run of form, dropping Tyler out makes the squad a little more unsettled. Maybe not, but the harmony of the squad can't be overlooked when a player shows a bit of form
Personally I'd include Lawrence given this recent run, but I won't be surprised if he's not included. Similar situation for Matondo
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Post by njdragon on Jan 19, 2022 14:38:02 GMT
I think the other point that people continually miss in debates like this is that it's more than just goal scoring form that comes into it We have a very settled squad, one that clearly gets on with one another, and players who have established relationships / connections. The management might feel that despite Lawrence's good run of form, dropping Tyler out makes the squad a little more unsettled. Maybe not, but the harmony of the squad can't be overlooked when a player shows a bit of form Personally I'd include Lawrence given this recent run, but I won't be surprised if he's not included. Similar situation for Matondo I kind of agree but then there's no reason people should be resting on their merits - competition for places etc is a good thing or we become stale. May give someone like roberts a kick to push on |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 19, 2022 15:49:28 GMT
I think the other point that people continually miss in debates like this is that it's more than just goal scoring form that comes into it We have a very settled squad, one that clearly gets on with one another, and players who have established relationships / connections. The management might feel that despite Lawrence's good run of form, dropping Tyler out makes the squad a little more unsettled. Maybe not, but the harmony of the squad can't be overlooked when a player shows a bit of form Personally I'd include Lawrence given this recent run, but I won't be surprised if he's not included. Similar situation for Matondo I kind of agree but then there's no reason people should be resting on their merits - competition for places etc is a good thing or we become stale. May give someone like roberts a kick to push on I agree, and I like competition for places. I don't think Tyler needs a push to kick on though. He's a regular in the Premier League at 23. It's just that he's being played out of position, he's not a striker - he's either a number 10 or a number 8 |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jan 19, 2022 17:44:19 GMT
I kind of agree but then there's no reason people should be resting on their merits - competition for places etc is a good thing or we become stale. May give someone like roberts a kick to push on I agree, and I like competition for places. I don't think Tyler needs a push to kick on though. He's a regular in the Premier League at 23. It's just that he's being played out of position, he's not a striker - he's either a number 10 or a number 8 I dunno, I think Tyler could do with a bit of a push tbh. It seems too comfortable for him right now. He's been given opportunity after opportunity by his respective managers when his performances haven't particularly merited it. The time for him to kick on and become the player he really could be is now. If he carries on like he is he'll be plying his trade in League one/two very soon and he'll only have himself to blame. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 19, 2022 17:45:56 GMT
Needs to be included, even if he doesn't score a goal from now till the international break. He can score, and some worldie goals.. aka not scared of having a shot.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 19, 2022 18:10:34 GMT
I agree, and I like competition for places. I don't think Tyler needs a push to kick on though. He's a regular in the Premier League at 23. It's just that he's being played out of position, he's not a striker - he's either a number 10 or a number 8 I dunno, I think Tyler could do with a bit of a push tbh. It seems too comfortable for him right now. He's been given opportunity after opportunity by his respective managers when his performances haven't particularly merited it. The time for him to kick on and become the player he really could be is now. If he carries on like he is he'll be plying his trade in League one/two very soon and he'll only have himself to blame. Have his performances not merited it? Or are we just judging him from his lack of goal contributions? Because his all round play has been just fine for the last 18 months, it's mainly the end product that is lacking really - he works really hard off the ball and does make things happen I'd say his performances have been just fine aside from the output, and we are focusing on that because we're all secretly hoping he turns into the top striker we're looking for when that isn't really his game |
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Post by insertname on Jan 19, 2022 18:10:48 GMT
I think the other point that people continually miss in debates like this is that it's more than just goal scoring form that comes into it We have a very settled squad, one that clearly gets on with one another, and players who have established relationships / connections. The management might feel that despite Lawrence's good run of form, dropping Tyler out makes the squad a little more unsettled. Maybe not, but the harmony of the squad can't be overlooked when a player shows a bit of form Personally I'd include Lawrence given this recent run, but I won't be surprised if he's not included. Similar situation for Matondo That sounds like an argument against a squad being meritocratic and that’s a dangerous road to go down as you risk alienating talented players at a time when you need them |
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Post by insertname on Jan 19, 2022 18:15:47 GMT
I dunno, I think Tyler could do with a bit of a push tbh. It seems too comfortable for him right now. He's been given opportunity after opportunity by his respective managers when his performances haven't particularly merited it. The time for him to kick on and become the player he really could be is now. If he carries on like he is he'll be plying his trade in League one/two very soon and he'll only have himself to blame. Have his performances not merited it? Or are we just judging him from his lack of goal contributions? Because his all round play has been just fine for the last 18 months, it's mainly the end product that is lacking really - he works really hard off the ball and does make things happen I'd say his performances have been just fine aside from the output, and we are focusing on that because we're all secretly hoping he turns into the top striker we're looking for when that isn't really his game In a Leeds shirt perhaps- when has he ever looked good in a Wales shirt? In recent times under Page I can’t think of any, I can recall him looking bad at least twice. When you give a player so many chances at international level and it goes wrong then you have to start to conclude that he doesn’t fit in the team and so he needs to show more at club level before being reconsidered. So just getting picked for Leeds and having a tidy game isn’t good enough any more. Other players deserve a chance ahead of him. But this is Page so expect Roberts to come on if we are needing an equaliser against Austria. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 19, 2022 18:19:40 GMT
I think the other point that people continually miss in debates like this is that it's more than just goal scoring form that comes into it We have a very settled squad, one that clearly gets on with one another, and players who have established relationships / connections. The management might feel that despite Lawrence's good run of form, dropping Tyler out makes the squad a little more unsettled. Maybe not, but the harmony of the squad can't be overlooked when a player shows a bit of form Personally I'd include Lawrence given this recent run, but I won't be surprised if he's not included. Similar situation for Matondo That sounds like an argument against a squad being meritocratic and that’s a dangerous road to go down as you risk alienating talented players at a time when you need them It's not really anti-meritocratic though, because you are looking at it and balancing keeping a squad harmony against including the top players. If you simply pick players in the highest divisions or on a hot streak then you will lose that balance, and also if you only pick an "in-group" of players you will also lose that balance This scenario we are discussing is very borderline issue, and is involving players that probably won't play the upcoming games, or at least will only get a few minutes - so I can see the rationale for not rocking the boat too much To my mind, a better suggestion is to include Lawrence ahead of Colwill, who is fairly new to the squad anyway and could go with the U21s for example |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 19, 2022 18:21:51 GMT
Have his performances not merited it? Or are we just judging him from his lack of goal contributions? Because his all round play has been just fine for the last 18 months, it's mainly the end product that is lacking really - he works really hard off the ball and does make things happen I'd say his performances have been just fine aside from the output, and we are focusing on that because we're all secretly hoping he turns into the top striker we're looking for when that isn't really his game In a Leeds shirt perhaps- when has he ever looked good in a Wales shirt? In recent times under Page I can’t think of any, I can recall him looking bad at least twice. When you give a player so many chances at international level and it goes wrong then you have to start to conclude that he doesn’t fit in the team and so he needs to show more at club level before being reconsidered. So just getting picked for Leeds and having a tidy game isn’t good enough any more. Other players deserve a chance ahead of him. But this is Page so expect Roberts to come on if we are needing an equaliser against Austria. Has Tyler ever started a game for us in his preferred position and also with the rest of our team being 1st choice? Even once? I don't think he has He's either been a part of a "B team" or played out of position, so I can't really say he's been given a fair crack to show his best just yet. Plus it's also only his 2nd season in the top flight |
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Post by insertname on Jan 19, 2022 19:03:49 GMT
In a Leeds shirt perhaps- when has he ever looked good in a Wales shirt? In recent times under Page I can’t think of any, I can recall him looking bad at least twice. When you give a player so many chances at international level and it goes wrong then you have to start to conclude that he doesn’t fit in the team and so he needs to show more at club level before being reconsidered. So just getting picked for Leeds and having a tidy game isn’t good enough any more. Other players deserve a chance ahead of him. But this is Page so expect Roberts to come on if we are needing an equaliser against Austria. Has Tyler ever started a game for us in his preferred position and also with the rest of our team being 1st choice? Even once? I don't think he has He's either been a part of a "B team" or played out of position, so I can't really say he's been given a fair crack to show his best just yet. Plus it's also only his 2nd season in the top flight But that proves the point surely? If he’s not going to be played in his correct position (I’m not convinced Page would even know where that is anyway which is why he gets played further forward!) then even less reason to call him up. I mean, it’s probably not been significant before so fair enough but as it stands Lawrence is scoring goals and merits a squad place on that alone. So it looks to be a fairly easy decision to be made that probably won’t be. The team is crying out for goals and goals win games so to refer to your earlier reply I think any concerns about squad balance goes out the window as we need goalscorers in the squad. Harris gets a pass simply because of his pace and I just don’t see where Roberts fits in to that mix if you have Lawrence (goals) Bale (all round ability) james (pace) Harris (pace) Moore (goals)….then Roberts (no goals no pace). Also it’s an interesting point made by a poster earlier about Lawrence bringing value if only because he’s worth a shot from distance. I think that alone has some value to us especially if he’s in the form where he’s been scoring from distance at club level. As an impact sub on paper, right now, he offers more than most forwards available to us, it would be madness not to call him up and if we aren’t winning give him a chance to change the game off the bench with 10 or 15 minutes to go. |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jan 19, 2022 20:33:06 GMT
That sounds like an argument against a squad being meritocratic and that’s a dangerous road to go down as you risk alienating talented players at a time when you need them It's not really anti-meritocratic though, because you are looking at it and balancing keeping a squad harmony against including the top players. If you simply pick players in the highest divisions or on a hot streak then you will lose that balance, and also if you only pick an "in-group" of players you will also lose that balance This scenario we are discussing is very borderline issue, and is involving players that probably won't play the upcoming games, or at least will only get a few minutes - so I can see the rationale for not rocking the boat too much
To my mind, a better suggestion is to include Lawrence ahead of Colwill, who is fairly new to the squad anyway and could go with the U21s for example The other guy made the point but I can absolutely see us being in a position in these play-off games where we desperately need someone to come on last 10/20 minutes and make an impact, possibly even in both games. Surely we would rather see Tom being introduced in this situation rather than Tyler, who will just do the same thing he always does. So it's not just about keeping everyone happy, we need to pick the best personnel available to give us the best chance of qualifying for the world cup. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 19, 2022 21:59:51 GMT
It's not really anti-meritocratic though, because you are looking at it and balancing keeping a squad harmony against including the top players. If you simply pick players in the highest divisions or on a hot streak then you will lose that balance, and also if you only pick an "in-group" of players you will also lose that balance This scenario we are discussing is very borderline issue, and is involving players that probably won't play the upcoming games, or at least will only get a few minutes - so I can see the rationale for not rocking the boat too much
To my mind, a better suggestion is to include Lawrence ahead of Colwill, who is fairly new to the squad anyway and could go with the U21s for example The other guy made the point but I can absolutely see us being in a position in these play-off games where we desperately need someone to come on last 10/20 minutes and make an impact, possibly even in both games. Surely we would rather see Tom being introduced in this situation rather than Tyler, who will just do the same thing he always does. So it's not just about keeping everyone happy, we need to pick the best personnel available to give us the best chance of qualifying for the world cup. Yeah but it's not just about picking the best available personnel, we need to have a squad that is together, happy and works well together This is my point, I don't think we should be sacrificing one for the other, especially given how well things for us are going. Again I would include Lawrence for the same reason, but Tyler isn't the one who should be sacrificed in that instance, it should be Colwill |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 20, 2022 10:18:46 GMT
Needs to be included, even if he doesn't score a goal from now till the international break. He can score, and some worldie goals.. aka not scared of having a shot. Tyler Roberts? |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 20, 2022 10:25:07 GMT
It's not really anti-meritocratic though, because you are looking at it and balancing keeping a squad harmony against including the top players. If you simply pick players in the highest divisions or on a hot streak then you will lose that balance, and also if you only pick an "in-group" of players you will also lose that balance This scenario we are discussing is very borderline issue, and is involving players that probably won't play the upcoming games, or at least will only get a few minutes - so I can see the rationale for not rocking the boat too much
To my mind, a better suggestion is to include Lawrence ahead of Colwill, who is fairly new to the squad anyway and could go with the U21s for example The other guy made the point but I can absolutely see us being in a position in these play-off games where we desperately need someone to come on last 10/20 minutes and make an impact, possibly even in both games. Surely we would rather see Tom being introduced in this situation rather than Tyler, who will just do the same thing he always does. So it's not just about keeping everyone happy, we need to pick the best personnel available to give us the best chance of qualifying for the world cup. true and bale isn't going to make both 90 mins i would think, lawrence does seem like the best replacement we have for him right now - i mean no one is ever in bales class but from what ive seen recently he's capable of a similar impact off the bench |
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 20, 2022 12:17:03 GMT
Needs to be included, even if he doesn't score a goal from now till the international break. He can score, and some worldie goals.. aka not scared of having a shot. Tyler Roberts? Tom Lawrence |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jan 20, 2022 12:38:51 GMT
the love for tom Lawrence on here and the derby forum must make Tom chuckle
as with Tom Lawrence he splits the camps, but being made captain (shock) and playing more of a free role in middle and not sit on the wing has not just given him confidence but more opportunity to play like he did at ipswich.
this season has been his best which makes it more panful to see him leave.
for wales i said before he should be in the squad at least but obviously page has issue and if he cant get in the squad now hew never will
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Post by njdragon on Jan 20, 2022 12:49:06 GMT
haha that did confused me! |
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 20, 2022 20:30:57 GMT
He’s everyone’s favourite non squad member at the moment but I’m pretty sure if any of us took the time to read through this thread there’d be loads of posts of people slagging Ton Lawrence off.
I wonder if Tyler Roberts will have loads of support with everyone slagging the manage off ‘because Roberts isn’t one of the favourites and is being frozen out’ by the time his thread gets to page 46 haha.
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Post by insertname on Jan 20, 2022 23:51:31 GMT
He’s everyone’s favourite non squad member at the moment but I’m pretty sure if any of us took the time to read through this thread there’d be loads of posts of people slagging Ton Lawrence off. I wonder if Tyler Roberts will have loads of support with everyone slagging the manage off ‘because Roberts isn’t one of the favourites and is being frozen out’ by the time his thread gets to page 46 haha. If Roberts starts to make a name for himself (like Lawrence is) then he will have and justifiably so. I mean time is a constantly evolving thing right? Just because Roberts is crap now doesn’t mean he won’t be in the future and will actually deserve a call up on merit. Same with Lawrence, he’s probably not performed for Wales but probably hasn’t at club level either. As welshram says Lawrence is in the form of his life. If you don’t call a bloke up when he’s in the form of his life when do you call him up? I’m calling it though- Lawrence maintains his form until March but we still see Roberts called up even when he’ll have been dropped by Bielsa by then. And there will be another ten pages added to this thread where everyone tries to figure out what sort of evidence Roberts has got on Page 😂 |
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Post by welshrover on Jan 21, 2022 0:40:10 GMT
He’s everyone’s favourite non squad member at the moment but I’m pretty sure if any of us took the time to read through this thread there’d be loads of posts of people slagging Ton Lawrence off. I did start reading back through this thread to see if people had been slagging him off but stopped at page 3 when I came across this gem from abwales. "Coleman is just terrible terrible terrible. If he cared about Wales he'd resign. What a fucking mess this situation has turned out to be. Forget about agreements etc this is another example of awful man management just like the Myhill situation. Imagine being snubbed for Jermaine Easter, Jermaine fucking Easter. If I wasn't so passionate to be Welsh I'd jump ship if I was Lawrence. He is the worst Wales manager since I started watching. Toshack is fucking Mourinho in comparison. #CrappyColemanOut #SaveWales" |
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 21, 2022 7:38:52 GMT
He’s everyone’s favourite non squad member at the moment but I’m pretty sure if any of us took the time to read through this thread there’d be loads of posts of people slagging Ton Lawrence off. I wonder if Tyler Roberts will have loads of support with everyone slagging the manage off ‘because Roberts isn’t one of the favourites and is being frozen out’ by the time his thread gets to page 46 haha. If Roberts starts to make a name for himself (like Lawrence is) then he will have and justifiably so. I mean time is a constantly evolving thing right? Just because Roberts is crap now doesn’t mean he won’t be in the future and will actually deserve a call up on merit. Same with Lawrence, he’s probably not performed for Wales but probably hasn’t at club level either. As welshram says Lawrence is in the form of his life. If you don’t call a bloke up when he’s in the form of his life when do you call him up? I’m calling it though- Lawrence maintains his form until March but we still see Roberts called up even when he’ll have been dropped by Bielsa by then. And there will be another ten pages added to this thread where everyone tries to figure out what sort of evidence Roberts has got on Page 😂 ‘Time is a constantly evolving thing’ ‘Just because Roberts is crap now it doesn’t mean he won’t be in the future’ These are the exact reasons we shouldn’t be slagging one of our players off and making him the scapegoat all the time. At least 75% of your recent posts have been posting negative comments about Roberts. You can say positive things about Lawrence without making Roberts the bad guy. |
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Post by rangers15 on Jan 21, 2022 8:06:12 GMT
If Roberts starts to make a name for himself (like Lawrence is) then he will have and justifiably so. I mean time is a constantly evolving thing right? Just because Roberts is crap now doesn’t mean he won’t be in the future and will actually deserve a call up on merit. Same with Lawrence, he’s probably not performed for Wales but probably hasn’t at club level either. As welshram says Lawrence is in the form of his life. If you don’t call a bloke up when he’s in the form of his life when do you call him up? I’m calling it though- Lawrence maintains his form until March but we still see Roberts called up even when he’ll have been dropped by Bielsa by then. And there will be another ten pages added to this thread where everyone tries to figure out what sort of evidence Roberts has got on Page 😂 ‘Time is a constantly evolving thing’ ‘Just because Roberts is crap now it doesn’t mean he won’t be in the future’ These are the exact reasons we shouldn’t be slagging one of our players off and making him the scapegoat all the time. At least 75% of your recent posts have been posting negative comments about Roberts. You can say positive things about Lawrence without making Roberts the bad guy. BINGO!!!!!!! |
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