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Post by insertname on May 20, 2022 11:49:11 GMT
“When you've got a formula, and I'm a loyal manager and man... when you've got that success and you're winning, it's very hard to change it” Says the bloke who brought in Sorba Thomas when things were already ticking over nicely 😂 Whatever the reasons are, Page is pissing up our leg and telling us it’s raining there. Lawrence’s face doesn’t fit and I doubt we’ll find out the real reasons unless one of them releases a book. I get what you're saying but I think in this case Lawrence doesn't fit with Page's formula whereas Sorba's infectious attitude combined with the fact that he's a very versatile and useful player and has something that very few of our players have, fantastic set piece delivery and crossing ability, makes him someone that Page thinks can slot into any squad and be an asset, he can come into the group and keep the positivity flowing. Yeah I guess it depends on what he means by “formula”. To me, as he followed it up by saying he’s loyal it suggests to me he’s saying that it’s pretty much a closed shop (as some have argued previously) and that he doesn’t like to bring “new” people in (which he obviously did with Sorba) unless there is a particularly severe injury crisis. That’s the only way Lawrence is getting back in, for sure. But yeah, I think Lawrence’s ‘face’ (ie some aspect of his personality) doesn’t fit. Given his age I wonder if we will ever see him in a Wales shirt again? Can’t see Page going anywhere for a while… |
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 20, 2022 22:03:51 GMT
I get what you're saying but I think in this case Lawrence doesn't fit with Page's formula whereas Sorba's infectious attitude combined with the fact that he's a very versatile and useful player and has something that very few of our players have, fantastic set piece delivery and crossing ability, makes him someone that Page thinks can slot into any squad and be an asset, he can come into the group and keep the positivity flowing. Yeah I guess it depends on what he means by “formula”. To me, as he followed it up by saying he’s loyal it suggests to me he’s saying that it’s pretty much a closed shop (as some have argued previously) and that he doesn’t like to bring “new” people in (which he obviously did with Sorba) unless there is a particularly severe injury crisis. That’s the only way Lawrence is getting back in, for sure. But yeah, I think Lawrence’s ‘face’ (ie some aspect of his personality) doesn’t fit. Given his age I wonder if we will ever see him in a Wales shirt again? Can’t see Page going anywhere for a while… I think we can put Lawrence in the same category as Chester, HRK, Ash & Taylor - who all ended up being dropped as Championship players who have age against them. The difficulty for them is that there were younger players coming through in that position so playing the ageing player ahead of them could be seen as counter productive I can guarantee people would be more upset if Lawrence was getting regular game time ahead of Wilson, Brennan, James, Brooks, Colwill etc... |
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Post by jbt95 on May 20, 2022 22:12:31 GMT
I feel sorry for Tom, but wow shows how far we’ve come. Even 5 years ago a player who was in form and captain of a Championship club would’ve been a dead cert.
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Post by welshfootball on May 21, 2022 0:37:16 GMT
Yeah I guess it depends on what he means by “formula”. To me, as he followed it up by saying he’s loyal it suggests to me he’s saying that it’s pretty much a closed shop (as some have argued previously) and that he doesn’t like to bring “new” people in (which he obviously did with Sorba) unless there is a particularly severe injury crisis. That’s the only way Lawrence is getting back in, for sure. But yeah, I think Lawrence’s ‘face’ (ie some aspect of his personality) doesn’t fit. Given his age I wonder if we will ever see him in a Wales shirt again? Can’t see Page going anywhere for a while… I think we can put Lawrence in the same category as Chester, HRK, Ash & Taylor - who all ended up being dropped as Championship players who have age against them. The difficulty for them is that there were younger players coming through in that position so playing the ageing player ahead of them could be seen as counter productive I can guarantee people would be more upset if Lawrence was getting regular game time ahead of Wilson, Brennan, James, Brooks, Colwill etc... There’s simply no room for Lawrence even on the bench or as a place in the “B” team matches (friendlies). I do feel bad for him. He was involved in the March friendlies last year and part of the wider Euros squad. He then turned around and had his best season in years. From what I’ve heard he has matured since being captain. Unfortunately for him it’s all happened too late. Page is looking towards the future and rightfully so. One could argue choosing him over Harris currently but there’s no point since it wouldn’t be long term. I even think Tyler Roberts, when fit again, would be ahead of Tom as the late call up/injury replacement option. |
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Post by mrpicton79 on May 21, 2022 1:20:02 GMT
I feel sorry for Tom, but wow shows how far we’ve come. Even 5 years ago a player who was in form and captain of a Championship club would’ve been a dead cert. Our depth hasn't become that overwhelming. People may be forgetting Broadhead is only 4 years younger than him, and been playing a division below (like several other selected players). On merit there's room for Tom in a 27-man squad. He's not being selected because the management don't like him. |
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Post by mrpicton79 on May 21, 2022 1:23:52 GMT
Has wiki got Tom's age wrong? People talking like he's a washed up 36-year-old in the twilight of his career. He's 28 right..?
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Post by insertname on May 21, 2022 1:25:57 GMT
I think we can put Lawrence in the same category as Chester, HRK, Ash & Taylor - who all ended up being dropped as Championship players who have age against them. The difficulty for them is that there were younger players coming through in that position so playing the ageing player ahead of them could be seen as counter productive I can guarantee people would be more upset if Lawrence was getting regular game time ahead of Wilson, Brennan, James, Brooks, Colwill etc... There’s simply no room for Lawrence even on the bench or as a place in the “B” team matches (friendlies). I do feel bad for him. He was involved in the March friendlies last year and part of the wider Euros squad. He then turned around and had his best season in years. From what I’ve heard he has matured since being captain. Unfortunately for him it’s all happened too late. Page is looking towards the future and rightfully so. One could argue choosing him over Harris currently but there’s no point since it wouldn’t be long term. I even think Tyler Roberts, when fit again, would be ahead of Tom as the late call up/injury replacement option. They play at different levels granted and even different positions but I’m not sure you can compare the output of Lawrence vs Roberts. Roberts reputation is in the gutter as he’ll be getting relegated and Leeds fans can’t wait to get shot of him and if we’re honest it’s no wonder they are going down by persisting with players like him. He’s not Prem quality, not yet at least. By contrast Lawrence has had a great season in a relegated side. The fact they perform different roles means it’s not really ever likely to be a competition between them in reality but even so I can’t understand why anyone would think Roberts offers more than Lawrence right now or in the immediate future. |
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Post by insertname on May 21, 2022 1:31:37 GMT
Has wiki got Tom's age wrong? People talking like he's a washed up 36-year-old in the twilight of his career. He's 28 right..? Yeah 28. It does feel a bit…odd…this fetishising of youth to the exclusion of old bastards like the 28 year old Lawrence 😂. Age is a crock of shit though really, if Lawrence hits 30 goals next season Page will be begging him to come back. Same if Liverpool suddenly bought this Hughes guy from Preston, Page will suddenly remember he is Welsh and be blowing up his phone, age and lack of previous squad experience be damned. Age is just a handy tie breaker for the moment, it doesn’t really mean anything long term- if you’re good enough, you’re young enough. |
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Post by insertname on May 21, 2022 1:35:36 GMT
I feel sorry for Tom, but wow shows how far we’ve come. Even 5 years ago a player who was in form and captain of a Championship club would’ve been a dead cert. Our depth hasn't become that overwhelming. People may be forgetting Broadhead is only 4 years younger than him, and been playing a division below (like several other selected players). On merit there's room for Tom in a 27-man squad. He's not being selected because the management don't like him. Exactly, it’s not really about “look how good we are to leave out Lawrence” it’s more “have we replaced him with better” and after the season he has just had it’s hard to make a case that we have when like you say his replacement is a lad from a lower level or Harris who hasn’t really pulled up trees in the way Lawrence has this season. But it does have to be acknowledged that it’s a debate about fringe squad players who would still have a lot of work to do to actually get on the pitch no matter whether they make the final squad or not. |
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Post by marsvolta on May 21, 2022 6:16:14 GMT
Has wiki got Tom's age wrong? People talking like he's a washed up 36-year-old in the twilight of his career. He's 28 right..? Yeah 28. It does feel a bit…odd…this fetishising of youth to the exclusion of old bastards like the 28 year old Lawrence 😂. Age is a crock of shit though really, if Lawrence hits 30 goals next season Page will be begging him to come back. Same if Liverpool suddenly bought this Hughes guy from Preston, Page will suddenly remember he is Welsh and be blowing up his phone, age and lack of previous squad experience be damned. Age is just a handy tie breaker for the moment, it doesn’t really mean anything long term- if you’re good enough, you’re young enough. Well of course If Hughes was good enough for Liverpool,he’d be good enough for us. If that happened then he’d be selected because he’d had an incredible, unprecedented upturn in form that made one of the best clubs in the world sign him, not because’Page suddenly remembered he’s Welsh and be damned the previous lack of experience’ |
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 21, 2022 7:59:09 GMT
There’s simply no room for Lawrence even on the bench or as a place in the “B” team matches (friendlies). I do feel bad for him. He was involved in the March friendlies last year and part of the wider Euros squad. He then turned around and had his best season in years. From what I’ve heard he has matured since being captain. Unfortunately for him it’s all happened too late. Page is looking towards the future and rightfully so. One could argue choosing him over Harris currently but there’s no point since it wouldn’t be long term. I even think Tyler Roberts, when fit again, would be ahead of Tom as the late call up/injury replacement option. They play at different levels granted and even different positions but I’m not sure you can compare the output of Lawrence vs Roberts. Roberts reputation is in the gutter as he’ll be getting relegated and Leeds fans can’t wait to get shot of him and if we’re honest it’s no wonder they are going down by persisting with players like him. He’s not Prem quality, not yet at least. By contrast Lawrence has had a great season in a relegated side. The fact they perform different roles means it’s not really ever likely to be a competition between them in reality but even so I can’t understand why anyone would think Roberts offers more than Lawrence right now or in the immediate future. Roberts has been injured for half the season, and since he was injured they've slid towards the relegation zone. Obviously that's not because of his injury, but to say he's one of the reasons they could go down is silly. Roberts is a fine player who is badly used by Leeds as a striker when really he's a decent no.10. If they go down I can see them keeping him & using him in that role |
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 21, 2022 8:01:56 GMT
I'm aware that Lawrence isn't that old - but the management are probably looking at him having already levelled out in his ability - he is a Championship player. Is it worth having him as a fringe option, or having a player who might not quite be at that level now, but who could exceed that level in the future. That's the choice. Personally I'd rather have potential in those squad positions as we're not talking about who is going to start games for us. We're talking about who will get the odd sub appearance, and who will play in B friendlies
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Post by fiveattheback on May 21, 2022 10:43:26 GMT
Our depth hasn't become that overwhelming. People may be forgetting Broadhead is only 4 years younger than him, and been playing a division below (like several other selected players). On merit there's room for Tom in a 27-man squad. He's not being selected because the management don't like him. Exactly, it’s not really about “look how good we are to leave out Lawrence” it’s more “have we replaced him with better” and after the season he has just had it’s hard to make a case that we have when like you say his replacement is a lad from a lower level or Harris who hasn’t really pulled up trees in the way Lawrence has this season. But it does have to be acknowledged that it’s a debate about fringe squad players who would still have a lot of work to do to actually get on the pitch no matter whether they make the final squad or not. I don't think Harris is the one taking a spot from Lawrence, Harris is there as one of our few actual strikers and there's a fair argument that he was key in us sneaking past Belarus |
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Post by hooky on May 21, 2022 12:13:08 GMT
I think we can put Lawrence in the same category as Chester, HRK, Ash & Taylor - who all ended up being dropped as Championship players who have age against them. The difficulty for them is that there were younger players coming through in that position so playing the ageing player ahead of them could be seen as counter productive I can guarantee people would be more upset if Lawrence was getting regular game time ahead of Wilson, Brennan, James, Brooks, Colwill etc... There’s simply no room for Lawrence even on the bench or as a place in the “B” team matches (friendlies). I do feel bad for him. He was involved in the March friendlies last year and part of the wider Euros squad. He then turned around and had his best season in years. From what I’ve heard he has matured since being captain. Unfortunately for him it’s all happened too late. Page is looking towards the future and rightfully so. One could argue choosing him over Harris currently but there’s no point since it wouldn’t be long term. I even think Tyler Roberts, when fit again, would be ahead of Tom as the late call up/injury replacement option. I just hope that Lawrence has done something unforgivable to get himself excluded but doubt he has. He is in a different league to Mark Harris in terms of his quality. I respect Page but issues like this and picking now limited players like Gunter and Williams with no growth potential is not the smartest move. Mark Harris will end up in the second or third division. The guy is allegedly an attacking player. He has more yellow cards (6) than goals (3) and assists (1) combined and that poor return is over 40 games and 2 goals were in one game weren't they? He will be 24 in December and hard hardly ever been injured. Lawrence is experienced, just 28, has far more to his overall game and has 11 goals and 5 assists over 39 games. Which one is more likely to create a breakthrough if we are trailing in the play off with 5-10 mins to go - I wonder! I hate closed shops. Unless a player is actively being disruptive then I totally disagree with picking players because they are good in the camp - total bullshit - it should be difficult / an honour to get caps based on meritocracy. I appreciate Gunter's chin up gesture, etc, but that was 6 years ago - life and football moves on! There should be no passengers or unjustified decision based on ability |
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Post by hooky on May 21, 2022 12:16:16 GMT
Am sorry but if we are trailing 1-0 with 10 mins to go and Harris comes on that would actually depress me as I know the odds of him changing the game are minimal.
I really pray that Morrell does not get picked. He is so out of his depth against better opposition - the Scottish or Ukraine midfield would eat him alive. We need a physical presence there - Ampadu or even Levitt.
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Post by insertname on May 21, 2022 12:56:50 GMT
There’s simply no room for Lawrence even on the bench or as a place in the “B” team matches (friendlies). I do feel bad for him. He was involved in the March friendlies last year and part of the wider Euros squad. He then turned around and had his best season in years. From what I’ve heard he has matured since being captain. Unfortunately for him it’s all happened too late. Page is looking towards the future and rightfully so. One could argue choosing him over Harris currently but there’s no point since it wouldn’t be long term. I even think Tyler Roberts, when fit again, would be ahead of Tom as the late call up/injury replacement option. I just hope that Lawrence has done something unforgivable to get himself excluded but doubt he has. He is in a different league to Mark Harris in terms of his quality. I respect Page but issues like this and picking now limited players like Gunter and Williams with no growth potential is not the smartest move. Mark Harris will end up in the second or third division. The guy is allegedly an attacking player. He has more yellow cards (6) than goals (3) and assists (1) combined and that poor return is over 40 games and 2 goals were in one game weren't they? He will be 24 in December and hard hardly ever been injured. Lawrence is experienced, just 28, has far more to his overall game and has 11 goals and 5 assists over 39 games. Which one is more likely to create a breakthrough if we are trailing in the play off with 5-10 mins to go - I wonder! I hate closed shops. Unless a player is actively being disruptive then I totally disagree with picking players because they are good in the camp - total bullshit - it should be difficult / an honour to get caps based on meritocracy. I appreciate Gunter's chin up gesture, etc, but that was 6 years ago - life and football moves on! There should be no passengers or unjustified decision based on ability Jesus, that’s brutal. I assumed Harris was 18/19! There has to be some serious doubt about his long term career if he’s nearly 24 and picking up more yellow cards than goals as a striker. One can only assume he must be the absolute best there is at running the channels because he’s obviously not getting picked because he knows where the net is. But then saying that he’s only got 1 assist too. Blimey. Certainly puts the Lawrence debate in a new light |
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Post by marsvolta on May 21, 2022 13:33:40 GMT
For the 157th time, Lawrence is not missing out on the squad because of Gunter, Williams or Harries. He plays in a different position to all of them.
People keeping him out of the squad are the likes of James, Bale, Wilson, Johnson, Matondo and Brooks when he is fit.
If we want to debate him replacing one of them, Matondo would be the prime candidate I suppose, then let’s do it. But we can’t just pick out least favourite players in the whole squad and say that they’re the ones replacing Lawrence.
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Post by hooky on May 21, 2022 13:50:41 GMT
Disagree. What is Harris' position? Lawrence can probably play any position up front and in midfield. He also has a nasty streak (which would be the one thing I would worry about!) but that means he has an edge too, which is good.
The only thing you could say Harris will be better at is being physical, but he is no Mr. Universe, and while you'd say he can play a target man role - I'm not convinced he'd be more effective overall in that position as the only thing he has over Lawrence is a little more strength.
Harris is NO Kiefer Moore. If he is being picked because you'd hope he can give a slightly better account in a Plan B scenario in place of Kiefer Moore then NO THANKS. He is a lower division standard player and we just should not be picking those type of players because they are a pale imitation of what we want to play the game in a different way
I keep hearing the reference to Harris' performance against Belarus - he was decent but it was Belarus and don't forget after a great turn he below a 1 on 1, got lucky. hesitated (better teams would have shut things down) and I am not totally convinced he intended to pass to Bale in the way he did - it was actually a bit behind Bale.
I just pray we are not reliant on him as an impact sub to save a game as in my view that is a 1% chance of working out. The Scots for sure would love playing against someone like him
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Post by dlwilliams on May 21, 2022 13:59:22 GMT
Disagree. What is Harris' position? Lawrence can probably play any position up front and in midfield. He also has a nasty streak (which would be the one thing I would worry about!) but that means he has an edge too, which is good. The only thing you could say Harris will be better at is being physical, but he is no Mr. Universe, and while you'd say he can play a target man role - I'm not convinced he'd be more effective overall in that position as the only thing he has over Lawrence is a little more strength. Harris is NO Kiefer Moore. If he is being picked because you'd hope he can give a slightly better account in a Plan B scenario in place of Kiefer Moore then NO THANKS. He is a lower division standard player and we just should not be picking those type of players because they are a pale imitation of what we want to play the game in a different way I keep hearing the reference to Harris' performance against Belarus - he was decent but it was Belarus and don't forget after a great turn he below a 1 on 1, got lucky. hesitated (better teams would have shut things down) and I am not totally convinced he intended to pass to Bale in the way he did - it was actually a bit behind Bale.I just pray we are not reliant on him as an impact sub to save a game as in my view that is a 1% chance of working out. The Scots for sure would love playing against someone like him Wasn't it James who passed to Bale? And Harris laid it back to James in the first place. |
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Post by hooky on May 21, 2022 14:54:55 GMT
I think you are right.
Look I know some of these guys I say are not good enough are far more talented at sport than any of us, I know they give it 100% and my kind of comments would seem unjustified to them and their families, but I am being honest. We see these players so many times who have failed to improve much up to 23 and 24 and the evidence is clear - they don't tend to suddenly go up a level. Which players have surprised us in their late 20s that have struggled to do much in their early to mid 20s?
I would also argue the more talent you have in the squad the higher the level of intensity and lower the level of complacency. You would not take for granted staying on as a starter for at least 75 mins if its not happening for you if someone like Tom is performing exceptionally well in training, whereas you'd be much more comfortable Harris would not come on until the last few minutes. Which means you don't have to work quite as hard - its human nature.
Good luck to Harris - its just an opinion on him and some of the others, but I appreciate they always turn up and try to give their best - which is all one can ask once they are picked.
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Post by evans1282 on May 21, 2022 15:06:45 GMT
I feel sorry for Tom, but wow shows how far we’ve come. Even 5 years ago a player who was in form and captain of a Championship club would’ve been a dead cert. Our depth hasn't become that overwhelming. People may be forgetting Broadhead is only 4 years younger than him, and been playing a division below (like several other selected players). On merit there's room for Tom in a 27-man squad. He's not being selected because the management don't like him. I think "don't like him " is a bit of a childish statement,since our recent success is based on two strong pillar , obviously the emergence of Bale and to a lesser extent Ramsey is one,the other is the fantastic togetherness of our squad,to get in to that squad when not "fitting in" with the ethics and attitude of the squad ,you'd have to be a lot lot better than Lawrence .Find him a bit of a one trick pony personally,but obviously that's only based on watching him for Wales. |
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Post by evans1282 on May 21, 2022 15:08:52 GMT
Am sorry but if we are trailing 1-0 with 10 mins to go and Harris comes on that would actually depress me as I know the odds of him changing the game are minimal. I really pray that Morrell does not get picked. He is so out of his depth against better opposition - the Scottish or Ukraine midfield would eat him alive. We need a physical presence there - Ampadu or even Levitt. Has Morrell,shagged your Mrs or something? Really don't get your bile ,you obviously watch different games to me,or tbf watch them in a different way. |
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Post by hooky on May 21, 2022 15:14:16 GMT
Bile?
I don't rate him. Its called an opinion. He has found his level, which is the second division.
He has struggled against decent and/or motivated international sides. He and Allen (who is far better of course) are too similar and not physical enough as a holding pair.
Argue those observations rather than just state its bile. Morrell may have played as well as he possible can for us and gives everything but that does not mean we can't do better
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Post by insertname on May 21, 2022 15:17:07 GMT
For the 157th time, Lawrence is not missing out on the squad because of Gunter, Williams or Harries. He plays in a different position to all of them. People keeping him out of the squad are the likes of James, Bale, Wilson, Johnson, Matondo and Brooks when he is fit. If we want to debate him replacing one of them, Matondo would be the prime candidate I suppose, then let’s do it. But we can’t just pick out least favourite players in the whole squad and say that they’re the ones replacing Lawrence. Lawrence can play in a number of positions so arguably Harris is his competition. Obviously we don’t know what goes through Page’s head but I feel there should be a bit more nuance in his thinking. On the one hand he does have a very clear preference for younger players (especially ones who can run about a lot) but he seems to be neglecting the core element of football- scoring goals. Especially if he goes with the approach that is suggested on here of using our main goal scorer as an impact sub. A starting line up with James and Bale, Ramsey, Ampadu and Allen has got precious few goals in it, even less when you factor in subs like Harris. We’ve got plenty of pace all over the place already which makes the constant selection of Harris a bit confusing when his output stats are pretty poor. It’s all very well prioritising younger players as the future but it needs to be done with nuance and not by cutting one’s nose off to spite one’s face. |
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Post by iot on May 21, 2022 16:15:58 GMT
If we think about the playing style of the players mentioned here, Lawrence is clearly a very different type of player to Harris. Harris' whole game is based on playing on the shoulder of the last defender and running behind. He does that brilliantly against teams that have a high defensive line - which is why he was so good against Liverpool, but also absolutely vital in the win against Belarus. The issue is he's completely ineffective against teams who play a low block.
With regards to Lawrence, he doesn't do that at all - I haven't once seen him get in behind the defence from a ball over the top. He's in the same mould as Brooks and Matondo who prefer to come looking for the ball and run at defenders. So they're the relevant choices when we're talking about squad places
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Post by evans1282 on May 21, 2022 21:14:47 GMT
Bile? I don't rate him. Its called an opinion. He has found his level, which is the second division. He has struggled against decent and/or motivated international sides. He and Allen (who is far better of course) are too similar and not physical enough as a holding pair. Argue those observations rather than just state its bile. Morrell may have played as well as he possible can for us and gives everything but that does not mean we can't do better Sure it's an opinion ,but an opinion oozing bile! I disagree with your opinion is all and can't fathom how you and other Morrell haters get your "opinions " on Wales performances,that's my opinion,and I will accept I use bile towards you😁and yours. |
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Post by insertname on May 22, 2022 1:33:21 GMT
If we think about the playing style of the players mentioned here, Lawrence is clearly a very different type of player to Harris. Harris' whole game is based on playing on the shoulder of the last defender and running behind. He does that brilliantly against teams that have a high defensive line - which is why he was so good against Liverpool, but also absolutely vital in the win against Belarus. The issue is he's completely ineffective against teams who play a low block. With regards to Lawrence, he doesn't do that at all - I haven't once seen him get in behind the defence from a ball over the top. He's in the same mould as Brooks and Matondo who prefer to come looking for the ball and run at defenders. So they're the relevant choices when we're talking about squad places Of course that’s the crux of the issue but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t still in contention for the other’s place. They are counter points to each other’s skill sets. Which does the manager price more- pace or the chance to score a goal? The thing for me is that pace based skills are a fairly blah commodity in a Wales squad because we have James and Brennan and, at a push, Bale, do we really need more pace? Goal scoring is far more unique. Again I feel I need (almost like earthing oneself) to pay lip service to the reality that we are quibbling over crumbs because even if Lawrence were to be called up the chances of him getting on the pitch are slim. But I feel we should be prizing goal scoring whereas the approach taken by management is to make pace the absolute king where non-scoring forwards are prioritised over everyone else. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on May 22, 2022 4:53:22 GMT
Simples there is a problem with page and Lawrence, it'd was commented by Rooney, but as much as I think he deserves a chance in the squad as he can play numerous positions and more experienced than few others, you have to go with page as he has got us to a play off final to a WC.
. He not really had great success at Derby till this season by being consistent. Which has made it I suppose more of and issue not getting in the squad NOW after best season he has had.
Lawrence has the marmite effect look back at his career had 1 good season at Ipswich and not much of any where else. Even at Derby he was boo boys favourite scape goat till this season.
As Derby fan disappointed he won't be us at Poland Cardiff and Holland...
He has big decisions over next month or two where he goes to next season.
Stay under Rooney who has helped him and stay play league 1.. (players in Wales squad from league out side premier 😉 ) or to a championship or lower premier league, then we see if he is then a one season wonder in every five years
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Post by marsvolta on May 22, 2022 7:12:59 GMT
Simples there is a problem with page and Lawrence, it'd was commented by Rooney, but as much as I think he deserves a chance in the squad as he can play numerous positions and more experienced than few others, you have to go with page as he has got us to a play off final to a WC. . He not really had great success at Derby till this season by being consistent. Which has made it I suppose more of and issue not getting in the squad NOW after best season he has had. Lawrence has the marmite effect look back at his career had 1 good season at Ipswich and not much of any where else. Even at Derby he was boo boys favourite scape goat till this season. As Derby fan disappointed he won't be us at Poland Cardiff and Holland... He has big decisions over next month or two where he goes to next season. Stay under Rooney who has helped him and stay play league 1.. (players in Wales squad from league out side premier 😉 ) or to a championship or lower premier league, then we see if he is then a one season wonder in every five years The confusing thing about Rooney’s comment about there being a problem between Page and Lawrence is that it’s hard to work out where their paths have crossed. Lawrence was too old when Page was u21 manager, they haven’t been at any club at the same time, Page had retired as a player before Lawrence’s Wales debut and obviously Lawrence hasn’t had a senior call up when Page has been manager. The only thing I can think of is maybe that brief overlap where Lawrence had the odd call up from Giggs when Page was part of Giggs’ coaching staff. |
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Post by insertname on May 22, 2022 11:56:44 GMT
Simples there is a problem with page and Lawrence, it'd was commented by Rooney, but as much as I think he deserves a chance in the squad as he can play numerous positions and more experienced than few others, you have to go with page as he has got us to a play off final to a WC. . He not really had great success at Derby till this season by being consistent. Which has made it I suppose more of and issue not getting in the squad NOW after best season he has had. Lawrence has the marmite effect look back at his career had 1 good season at Ipswich and not much of any where else. Even at Derby he was boo boys favourite scape goat till this season. As Derby fan disappointed he won't be us at Poland Cardiff and Holland... He has big decisions over next month or two where he goes to next season. Stay under Rooney who has helped him and stay play league 1.. (players in Wales squad from league out side premier 😉 ) or to a championship or lower premier league, then we see if he is then a one season wonder in every five years The confusing thing about Rooney’s comment about there being a problem between Page and Lawrence is that it’s hard to work out where their paths have crossed. Lawrence was too old when Page was u21 manager, they haven’t been at any club at the same time, Page had retired as a player before Lawrence’s Wales debut and obviously Lawrence hasn’t had a senior call up when Page has been manager. The only thing I can think of is maybe that brief overlap where Lawrence had the odd call up from Giggs when Page was part of Giggs’ coaching staff. I get confused with all the incidents that have happened….wasn’t Lawrence one of the curfew breakers with HRK and…Matondo? Was Page involved with Giggs’s Wales when Lawrence had his car crash? It seems likely to me that if there is any personal beef it would stem from one of Lawrence’s disciplinary issues. He just doesn’t think Lawrence’s temperament is conducive to squad harmony |
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