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Post by iot on May 22, 2022 12:43:39 GMT
Page did call Lawrence up for the Mexico game. He wasn't one of the three curfew breakers, they were HRK, Matondo, and Roberts. Personally, I think Rooney was just talking shit - he probably had the wrong end of the stick himself, because the fact that Lawrence was called up by Page and played against Mexico suggests it isn't a personal issue.
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Post by marsvolta on May 22, 2022 13:24:28 GMT
The confusing thing about Rooney’s comment about there being a problem between Page and Lawrence is that it’s hard to work out where their paths have crossed. Lawrence was too old when Page was u21 manager, they haven’t been at any club at the same time, Page had retired as a player before Lawrence’s Wales debut and obviously Lawrence hasn’t had a senior call up when Page has been manager. The only thing I can think of is maybe that brief overlap where Lawrence had the odd call up from Giggs when Page was part of Giggs’ coaching staff. I get confused with all the incidents that have happened….wasn’t Lawrence one of the curfew breakers with HRK and…Matondo? Was Page involved with Giggs’s Wales when Lawrence had his car crash? It seems likely to me that if there is any personal beef it would stem from one of Lawrence’s disciplinary issues. He just doesn’t think Lawrence’s temperament is conducive to squad harmony In the court case it was revealed that Lawrence had a problem with alcohol and drinks every day. Maybe that’s a problem when he’s staying in a hotel for 10 days at a time when there’s international camps. |
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Post by welshfootball on May 22, 2022 16:39:11 GMT
The squad announcement press conference is on the FA Wales YouTube channel. Page was asked about Rooney’s history comment and said there is no history. It sounds like Johnson and Colwill are the direct competition for Lawrence. Page mentioned Johnson is playing well and he took Colwill to the Euros for the experience as he sees a bright future for him.
Lawrence is not old or washed up by any means but from Page’s view it appears the younger players have more upside and he wants to give them chances to develop. I’ve always been a fan of Lawrence. I would like to see him involved again but I don’t see it happening.
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Post by dai on May 22, 2022 17:40:02 GMT
I think something has gone on behind the scenes, or Page just doesn't like Lawrence on a personal level.
Lawrence has been attracting interested from PL clubs, Fulham and Bournemouth and a few others apparently. I'd be very surprised if he ended up playing PL football next season, but say if it did happen, and it's a big IF, would it not be very unreasonable for Page to then continue to omit him from the squad? That would be an interesting scenario.
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Post by insertname on May 22, 2022 20:14:44 GMT
I get confused with all the incidents that have happened….wasn’t Lawrence one of the curfew breakers with HRK and…Matondo? Was Page involved with Giggs’s Wales when Lawrence had his car crash? It seems likely to me that if there is any personal beef it would stem from one of Lawrence’s disciplinary issues. He just doesn’t think Lawrence’s temperament is conducive to squad harmony In the court case it was revealed that Lawrence had a problem with alcohol and drinks every day. Maybe that’s a problem when he’s staying in a hotel for 10 days at a time when there’s international camps. Wow interesting. Okay if that’s the case I can more understand why he’s been given a wide berth. Rightly or wrongly it seems like the tight knit mentality with Wales has been prized highly and I guess Lawrence’s “lifestyle” could potentially disrupt that. |
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Post by insertname on May 22, 2022 20:18:28 GMT
I think something has gone on behind the scenes, or Page just doesn't like Lawrence on a personal level. Lawrence has been attracting interested from PL clubs, Fulham and Bournemouth and a few others apparently. I'd be very surprised if he ended up playing PL football next season, but say if it did happen, and it's a big IF, would it not be very unreasonable for Page to then continue to omit him from the squad? That would be an interesting scenario. I don’t think prem football would make a difference. You can play at that level and still not be considered a prem player (eg do people consider Roberts prem tier currently despite him playing for a prem club?). What he would need to do is score an insane amount of goals at whatever level he is playing at. To me it feels like THAT is the only metric that will force Page’s hand. Getting a run out here and there for a prem team is fairly easy to ignore. Lots of goals, on the other hand, are almost impossible to ignore. |
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Post by foxmulder on May 24, 2022 8:23:28 GMT
This debate will go on for years... but Wes Burns over Tom Lawrence?
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Post by cymruramdcfc on May 24, 2022 11:44:24 GMT
This debate will go on for years... but Wes Burns over Tom Lawrence? league 1 player v championship ? not a doubt now something has happened between them , im behind the manager and any player in red WELSH shirt but wes over tom... no chance |
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Post by insertname on May 24, 2022 12:14:34 GMT
This debate will go on for years... but Wes Burns over Tom Lawrence? league 1 player v championship ? not a doubt now something has happened between them , im behind the manager and any player in red WELSH shirt but wes over tom... no chance Say “fuck you” without actually saying “fuck you” 😂 |
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Post by redsaint on May 24, 2022 12:28:47 GMT
I think something has gone on behind the scenes, or Page just doesn't like Lawrence on a personal level. Lawrence has been attracting interested from PL clubs, Fulham and Bournemouth and a few others apparently. I'd be very surprised if he ended up playing PL football next season, but say if it did happen, and it's a big IF, would it not be very unreasonable for Page to then continue to omit him from the squad? That would be an interesting scenario. Time will tell I guess but feels a bit strange to see him overlooked. If he gets a move and performs at the levels of clubs suggested then it’ll tell the story for certain that there’s some sort of issue/history with Page. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 24, 2022 14:34:30 GMT
This debate will go on for years... but Wes Burns over Tom Lawrence? Wes Burns in has nothing to do with Lawrence. Burns has been playing as a RWB for Ipswich and is supposedly doing really well. I could see him becoming the backup RWB on a permanent basis. Nothing to do with the exclusion of Lawrence from the forward line |
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Post by jackanapes on May 24, 2022 15:06:14 GMT
I get confused with all the incidents that have happened….wasn’t Lawrence one of the curfew breakers with HRK and…Matondo? Was Page involved with Giggs’s Wales when Lawrence had his car crash? It seems likely to me that if there is any personal beef it would stem from one of Lawrence’s disciplinary issues. He just doesn’t think Lawrence’s temperament is conducive to squad harmony In the court case it was revealed that Lawrence had a problem with alcohol and drinks every day. Maybe that’s a problem when he’s staying in a hotel for 10 days at a time when there’s international camps. Do you have any solid reports of this or links? I didn’t follow this case, but if true then I would back Page 100%. The trouble is rumours too easily get passed off as fact. I’ve heard similar stuff about Woodburn, but I’ve chosen to disregard it as it hasn’t come from anyone I trust with insider knowledge. Football fans are possibly the worst gossips and rumour mongers on the planet! |
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Post by welshrover on May 24, 2022 15:36:12 GMT
The most damming thing for me is if it is a personal vendetta (and I hasten to add none of us actually know) then I think it is pretty poor of Page to put personal issues with a player before the good of the team / country.
However, I reiterate, none of us on here know the real reason for the exclusion of Tom Lawrence but I would echo the sentiments previously posted, Burns before Lawrence leads you to believe this is not a footballing ability decision.
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Post by pclaude on May 24, 2022 15:57:13 GMT
The squad announcement press conference is on the FA Wales YouTube channel. Page was asked about Rooney’s history comment and said there is no history. It sounds like Johnson and Colwill are the direct competition for Lawrence. Page mentioned Johnson is playing well and he took Colwill to the Euros for the experience as he sees a bright future for him. Lawrence is not old or washed up by any means but from Page’s view it appears the younger players have more upside and he wants to give them chances to develop. I’ve always been a fan of Lawrence. I would like to see him involved again but I don’t see it happening. I suspect the FAW dont want anyone with a chequered history around the squad, especially in light of the Giggs situation. Im not not saying it's right, just offering a view that it may not be Page's choice |
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Post by iot on May 24, 2022 15:58:40 GMT
The most damming thing for me is if it is a personal vendetta (and I hasten to add none of us actually know) then I think it is pretty poor of Page to put personal issues with a player before the good of the team / country. However, I reiterate, none of us on here know the real reason for the exclusion of Tom Lawrence but I would echo the sentiments previously posted, Burns before Lawrence leads you to believe this is not a footballing ability decision. That doesn't make sense. Burns has been brought in as a wing back, which is where he's played all season. Lawrence is obviously a forward, so they're not in direct competition. The fact that Page didn't replace Broadhead with Lawrence does, however, show that he doesn't want Lawrence to be in the squad. Impossible for us to know why - presumably it's something about his character which Page doesn't think will be conductive to creating the type of environment he wants around camp for this massive game. |
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Post by gwernybwch on May 24, 2022 21:57:09 GMT
The squad announcement press conference is on the FA Wales YouTube channel. Page was asked about Rooney’s history comment and said there is no history. It sounds like Johnson and Colwill are the direct competition for Lawrence. Page mentioned Johnson is playing well and he took Colwill to the Euros for the experience as he sees a bright future for him. Lawrence is not old or washed up by any means but from Page’s view it appears the younger players have more upside and he wants to give them chances to develop. I’ve always been a fan of Lawrence. I would like to see him involved again but I don’t see it happening. I suspect the FAW dont want anyone with a chequered history around the squad, especially in light of the Giggs situation. Im not not saying it's right, just offering a view that it may not be Page's choice When Lawrence was charged (but not convicted), Giggs included him in the squad. And during the actual trial, Giggs gave him a glowing character reference. The FAW blazers didn't interfere then, I'd be surprised if they are now. |
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Post by pclaude on May 25, 2022 19:11:07 GMT
I suspect the FAW dont want anyone with a chequered history around the squad, especially in light of the Giggs situation. Im not not saying it's right, just offering a view that it may not be Page's choice When Lawrence was charged (but not convicted), Giggs included him in the squad. And during the actual trial, Giggs gave him a glowing character reference. The FAW blazers didn't interfere then, I'd be surprised if they are now. They might now given that Giggs himself has given them a problem |
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Post by gwernybwch on May 25, 2022 20:00:08 GMT
When Lawrence was charged (but not convicted), Giggs included him in the squad. And during the actual trial, Giggs gave him a glowing character reference. The FAW blazers didn't interfere then, I'd be surprised if they are now. They might now given that Giggs himself has given them a problem The FAW have continued to employ and pay the wages of a man that was accused and now charged of violence against women, but you think that they are currently influencing the Manager not to include in the squad a player that was convicted of drink driving two years ago? |
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Post by insertname on May 25, 2022 21:23:42 GMT
They might now given that Giggs himself has given them a problem The FAW have continued to employ and pay the wages of a man that was accused and now charged of violence against women, but you think that they are currently influencing the Manager not to include in the squad a player that was convicted of drink driving two years ago? They’ve got no choice but to pay him. Sacking someone accused of a crime risks prejudicing the case, that’s why standard practice is to suspend and then act on the verdict when it comes. |
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Post by marsvolta on May 25, 2022 23:51:53 GMT
In the court case it was revealed that Lawrence had a problem with alcohol and drinks every day. Maybe that’s a problem when he’s staying in a hotel for 10 days at a time when there’s international camps. Do you have any solid reports of this or links? I didn’t follow this case, but if true then I would back Page 100%. The trouble is rumours too easily get passed off as fact. I’ve heard similar stuff about Woodburn, but I’ve chosen to disregard it as it hasn’t come from anyone I trust with insider knowledge. Football fans are possibly the worst gossips and rumour mongers on the planet! Just did a quick google of the court case and this was quoted- ‘JPs were told Lawrence has become "quite dependent" on alcohol since the death of his mother in May and uses booze for confidence issues.’ |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on May 26, 2022 4:27:20 GMT
Do you have any solid reports of this or links? I didn’t follow this case, but if true then I would back Page 100%. The trouble is rumours too easily get passed off as fact. I’ve heard similar stuff about Woodburn, but I’ve chosen to disregard it as it hasn’t come from anyone I trust with insider knowledge. Football fans are possibly the worst gossips and rumour mongers on the planet! Just did a quick google of the court case and this was quoted- ‘JPs were told Lawrence has become "quite dependent" on alcohol since the death of his mother in May and uses booze for confidence issues.’ How many times have we seen court cases give excuses of drug and alcohol problems for they actions. I'm not say he had issues. But it's used to many times to justify actions in court If he was so dependent on alcohol as it was alleged, it didn't stop him being in the team week in week out. Since accident his football has turned around at Derby to be his best season in constancy. Derby stood by him.... so Tom... |
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Post by pclaude on May 26, 2022 7:56:47 GMT
They might now given that Giggs himself has given them a problem The FAW have continued to employ and pay the wages of a man that was accused and now charged of violence against women, but you think that they are currently influencing the Manager not to include in the squad a player that was convicted of drink driving two years ago? Yes, because they dont have any other choice than to pay Giggs. My suspicion is that his pay is being held by solicitors and if found guilty, the FAW will get it back. They have a choice whether to select Lawrence. So it's clearly not the same |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 7, 2022 5:42:24 GMT
Looks like he’s on his way to Sheff Utd. Good move.
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Post by marsvolta on Jul 7, 2022 22:21:45 GMT
Looks like he’s on his way to Sheff Utd. Good move. Nope, looks like rangers now |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jul 8, 2022 4:15:26 GMT
Thanks for ONE good season Tom and I hope you don't feel guilty by not trying to repay the support you got from the club when you was at your lowest and turn your career around and able you to move on.
Bitter
YES
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Post by 60sred on Jul 8, 2022 6:48:24 GMT
Thanks for ONE good season Tom and I hope you don't feel guilty by not trying to repay the support you got from the club when you was at your lowest and turn your career around and able you to move on. Bitter YES I would be bitter also if a player has taken approx 2.5 million in wages when he could have so easily have been dealt the same way as Keogh. Hope he has a good think about this and at least maybe provides some support to DCFC even if it was just a small gesture of giving some money to your academy that would maybe make is leaving easier to swallow. |
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 8, 2022 15:12:26 GMT
Thanks for ONE good season Tom and I hope you don't feel guilty by not trying to repay the support you got from the club when you was at your lowest and turn your career around and able you to move on. Bitter YES Maybe this is an example of his character and shows why he’s not in the Welsh squad??..... Probably not because it’s modern football but you never know |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jul 8, 2022 16:45:00 GMT
Thanks for ONE good season Tom and I hope you don't feel guilty by not trying to repay the support you got from the club when you was at your lowest and turn your career around and able you to move on. Bitter YES Maybe this is an example of his character and shows why he’s not in the Welsh squad??..... Probably not because it’s modern football but you never know Understand his career is most important but is career was in tatters . He could have been sacked nut he had issues and club stood by him. But Understand no loyalty in players when we suffer ups downs and more downs as Derby concerned Rant over |
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Post by welshrover on Jul 11, 2022 18:38:07 GMT
To be fair Tom could go to Real Madrid, score 100 goals on 10 games and Page still wouldn't select him.
We should rename the thread Tom Lawrence Former Welsh International.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jul 11, 2022 19:42:09 GMT
Let's see how he starts off at Rangers. Good series of winnable SPL fixtures (4)in August, and a chance to get his name on the scoresheets before the end of that month (prior to a visit to Celtic Park in early September).
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