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Post by cilmeri on Jul 19, 2011 11:10:56 GMT
Oh, but back on subject, cracking news. Presumably it means Rodgers will give him a fair crack in the prem.
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Post by llannerch on Jul 19, 2011 11:30:00 GMT
We've been bigging him up on here for ages and it was all 'potential this' and 'promise that' but he'd never had an extended run in the side due to injuries and Leon Britton being ahead of him. He finally had a run in the second half of last season and showed his class.
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Post by squatter1 on Jul 19, 2011 17:13:02 GMT
We've been bigging him up on here for ages and it was all 'potential this' and 'promise that' but he'd never had an extended run in the side due to injuries and Leon Britton being ahead of him. He finally had a run in the second half of last season and showed his class. Yeah, big season for the lad. He's got to show he's good enough for the Prem, and that he should remain first choice in midfield for Swans with Bodde coming back. And internationally, he's got to stamp a claim on a crowded centre midfield, which would entail taking a slot off either Collison or Vaughan. Personally, what with that national side and Swans playing the same shape, provided Joe is a regular next season, I like the idea of Allen - Taylor - Williams creating a little triangle for club and country from now on. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 19, 2011 17:46:18 GMT
We've been bigging him up on here for ages and it was all 'potential this' and 'promise that' but he'd never had an extended run in the side due to injuries and Leon Britton being ahead of him. He finally had a run in the second half of last season and showed his class. Yeah, big season for the lad. He's got to show he's good enough for the Prem, and that he should remain first choice in midfield for Swans with Bodde coming back. And internationally, he's got to stamp a claim on a crowded centre midfield, which would entail taking a slot off either Collison or Vaughan. Personally, what with that national side and Swans playing the same shape, provided Joe is a regular next season, I like the idea of Allen - Taylor - Williams creating a little triangle for club and country from now on. Your right there mate speed is trying to mirror swansea style of football and allen has been key to that |
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Post by llannerch on Jul 19, 2011 18:58:12 GMT
[ Your right there mate speed is trying to mirror swansea style of football and allen has been key to that No he hasn't. Britton was, and before that a fit Bodde definitely was (during the early days of Project Martinez). Scotland as a lone man and wide wingers have all been more instrumental to the shape than Allen. Allen filled the Britton role, eventually, last season though |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 19, 2011 19:00:40 GMT
Hes far more talented than all of them and yes he was key to the way they played last season, bodde didnt play and britton featured alongside allen not instead
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Post by flynnfan on Jul 19, 2011 19:37:54 GMT
I wouldn't say he 'finally had a run in the second half of the season' llannerch. According to this he made 48 appearances for the Swans last term, so he must have had a decent run in the first half of the season too (Britton wasn't there in the first half either) www.swanseacity.net/page/ProfilesDetail/0,,10354~38138,00.html |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 19, 2011 19:39:04 GMT
I wouldn't say he 'finally had a run in the second half of the season' llannerch. According to this he made 48 appearances for the Swans last term, so he must have had a decent run in the first half of the season too (Britton wasn't there in the first half either) www.swanseacity.net/page/ProfilesDetail/0,,10354~38138,00.html ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2011 23:07:52 GMT
I wouldn't say he 'finally had a run in the second half of the season' llannerch. According to this he made 48 appearances for the Swans last term, so he must have had a decent run in the first half of the season too (Britton wasn't there in the first half either) www.swanseacity.net/page/ProfilesDetail/0,,10354~38138,00.html True Flynny! He was a ever present in the 1st half of the season as like you said Britton was not there until January when he returned from Sheffield United. |
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Post by llannerch on Jul 20, 2011 19:31:50 GMT
Give or take, a quarter of those total appearances were from the bench, where he started the season. And he started only 2/3 of their total League games. You can't discern from those figures how many of these games he was substituted in either.
I'm not saying he was a bit-part player, but neither was he the first name on the teamsheet and he had to endure rotation for spells last season
But hey guys, I'm with you: he's developing into a class act; let's just keep things in perspective. Until Jordan Fellows gets his move to the Villas-Boas Project
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 3, 2011 11:10:00 GMT
Superb for the Swans yesterday by all accounts. Surely if Vaughan and Ledley don't make it, he'll be in line to start for Wales for the first time at his home ground on Friday? I certainly hope so.
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Post by saints19 on Oct 3, 2011 12:09:38 GMT
Ledley out according to BBC.
That leaves Ramsey, Vaughan, Collison, Allen, and Crofts in contention for the three spots if we play 4-5-1/4-3-3 again.
Ramsey and Vaughan will likely take two of those, Allen has a good chance of getting the third.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 12:18:17 GMT
Allen has got to start IMO, with Rambo & Vaughan (is he fit?) in Midfield with Bellamy & Bale in the wide spots. Morison as lone striker? Right back is the problem position to fill IMO, Gunter having a terrible time at the mo.
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Post by gareth on Oct 3, 2011 15:47:35 GMT
I seriously hope Allen starts ahead of Crofts, even Edwards ahead of him in my eyes. The good news is that he isn't starting much for Norwich, so hopefully he isn't considered ahead of some of the more 'natural' footballing talents.
Gunter problem - Surely Matthews is the right back option if Gunter is having problems.
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Post by stu on Oct 3, 2011 16:31:06 GMT
Allen has to start or a makes a mockery of the whole idea that players should be picked on form over reputation.
Apart from Ramsey, Allen is getting far more game time than any other midfielder who could occupy the two other midfield spaces.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Oct 3, 2011 18:18:44 GMT
Allen has got to start IMO, with Rambo & Vaughan (is he fit?) in Midfield with Bellamy & Bale in the wide spots. Morison as lone striker? Right back is the problem position to fill IMO, Gunter having a terrible time at the mo. So are the rest of the Forest team!! The new manager will need to build up the confidence of the whole team including Gunter. perhaps this has happened by the wally with a brolly leaving. |
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 4, 2011 13:06:46 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 9, 2011 10:35:41 GMT
I think we can add Allen to your short list of young Welsh footballers who've 'got it' now RD....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 11:39:48 GMT
I think we can add Allen to your short list of young Welsh footballers who've 'got it' now RD.... Will he be world class though and coveted by Europes top clubs? Will be a handy player, no doubts there. Bale is the benchmark for everyone else. Its got to the point where every Wales game he plays in he causes absolute havoc, brutal consistency. |
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 9, 2011 11:52:56 GMT
He starting an international for the first time up against a midfiled of Inler (plays for Napoli in the champions league), Berahmi (now at Fiorentina and has played for Lazio) and the Basel trio of Xhaka, Shaqiri (scored a hat-trick in his last international) and Frei (scored in a CL draw against Man Utd at Old Trafford recently). And I thought he outshone all of them. We can't judge eveyone by Bale's standards because Bale is a very, very special player.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Oct 10, 2011 20:30:58 GMT
We can't judge eveyone by Bale's standards because Bale is a very, very special player. Why not judge everyone by his atandards? If they want the money etc they should strive to reach his standards, it will improve the quality of our football. |
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 10, 2011 21:26:56 GMT
But Bale could run the 100m in 11.4 seconds when he was 14 years old. He runs for longer at high intensity than anyone else in the premier league. By a long way. Bale has been blessed with incredible athletic gifts that very, very few players can match. In terms of attitude, desire to be the best then, yes, he's someone our other youngsters should strive to emulate.
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 29, 2011 15:31:18 GMT
Just watching a dodgy stream of the Swans vs Bolton. Allen has scored a goal, won a penalty and their midfielders keep getting yellow cards for fouling him. This boy is pure class. I'll repeat what I said after the Switzerland game- If Jordon Henderson is 'worth' 20 million, what's Allen worth?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 0:03:37 GMT
Just watching a dodgy stream of the Swans vs Bolton. Allen has scored a goal, won a penalty and their midfielders keep getting yellow cards for fouling him. This boy is pure class. I'll repeat what I said after the Switzerland game- If Jordon Henderson is 'worth' 20 million, what's Allen worth? Yep, he was superb again Flynny, beginning to look the part and nowadays it seems on the evidence of the past couple of weeks, he's getting in to the rhythm of getting forward, then when getting forward, putting the opportunities he gets, away! |
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 30, 2011 11:14:30 GMT
If I have a critisism, its that he should have scored a second with the goal gaping! I think he already has as many prem goals as he ever scored championship goals though?!
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 31, 2011 11:27:09 GMT
Will he be world class though and coveted by Europes top clubs?
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Yes, I think he will RD.
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Post by stu on Oct 31, 2011 17:38:04 GMT
There's a bit of debate at the moment down here about who's the better player. Allen or Ramsey. I must say that it does feel a bit too much like a Swans/Cardiff thing.
I believe the oracle of Welsh football, lollipop man and jolly pundit Leighton James sparked this debate in the paper.
Ramsey gets my vote anyway.
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Post by scoop76 on Oct 31, 2011 19:11:17 GMT
There's a bit of debate at the moment down here about who's the better player. Allen or Ramsey. I must say that it does feel a bit too much like a Swans/Cardiff thing. I believe the oracle of Welsh football, lollipop man and jolly pundit Leighton James sparked this debate in the paper. Ramsey gets my vote anyway. let's just welcome the fact we have both |
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Post by saints19 on Nov 1, 2011 5:37:44 GMT
I think at the moment Ramsey is the better player in terms of having more potential to reach a higher ultimate level, but Allen is coming along nicely.
If those two (pray God) carry on their progress and Bale stays fit and healthy, we will have a serious war machine with which to attack these qualifiers.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Nov 1, 2011 12:33:58 GMT
If those two (pray God) carry on their progress and Bale stays fit and healthy, we will have a serious war machine with which to attack these qualifiers. We need another war machine to protect them as referees don't. o |
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