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Post by Tim P on Jun 19, 2012 10:39:15 GMT
Not this season and that fee is an insult. Pure Voyeurism. On another note I believe that Joe will eventually have to play in a team with a big squad as i do not think he is strong enough to play 40 plus games a season. In a larger squad he could be used in a rotation system and play 30 to 35 games which would protect him from early wear and tear. Messi plays nearly every minute of every game for Barcelona. I don't think Allen would be a professional footballer if he didn't have the physicality to play 40+ games per year. |
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Post by llannerch on Jun 19, 2012 11:53:09 GMT
Not this season and that fee is an insult. Pure Voyeurism. On another note I believe that Joe will eventually have to play in a team with a big squad as i do not think he is strong enough to play 40 plus games a season. In a larger squad he could be used in a rotation system and play 30 to 35 games which would protect him from early wear and tear. Reckon Verheijen needs to periodise his sorry, weakling ass do ya? |
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Post by walrus on Jun 20, 2012 9:41:27 GMT
Does Messi do the same number of Kms on soggy grounds? Good point though but i just have an inkling from watching Joe that his slight frame and the way he plays is not conducive to lots of games. He is a box to boxer and is involved in lots of twisting and turning, tackling and more
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 11:36:58 GMT
Not this season and that fee is an insult. Pure Voyeurism. On another note I believe that Joe will eventually have to play in a team with a big squad as i do not think he is strong enough to play 40 plus games a season. In a larger squad he could be used in a rotation system and play 30 to 35 games which would protect him from early wear and tear. Reckon Verheijen needs to periodise his sorry, weakling ass do ya? Don't tempt Ray Llannerch! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 8:42:14 GMT
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Post by powyscardiff on Jul 19, 2012 22:03:18 GMT
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 20, 2012 23:03:13 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Jul 20, 2012 23:36:13 GMT
The rumour is that the Swans are using the 16-20 million Liverpool paid for Jordan henderson as a bargaining tool to try and drive Allen's price up. So maybe Huw Jenkins reads this messageboard too?!
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Post by abwales on Jul 20, 2012 23:52:00 GMT
Yes, its a good move for him. He'll be a starter in a top 7 side.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 0:18:56 GMT
15 million for Swansea City is great for them as well, could get a very good striker and another midfielder for that maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 11:17:25 GMT
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Post by raptor on Jul 23, 2012 20:13:20 GMT
It would be better to see him go there and make himself an automatic pick than stay in the safeness of Swansea.
If he failed at Liverpool at least he had a go.
Besides Swansea to Liverpool isn't the leap of quality it used to be.
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Post by walrus on Jul 25, 2012 8:25:01 GMT
He'd be better off staying because he can continue his education with Laudrup and he can do better than Liverpool down the track. Siggurdsson showed that Liverpool are has beens and Allen would only go there because of those two backstabbing cunts Pascoe and Rodgers who are now tapping him up. Swansea should hold out for 20 million and use the same argument they used with Taylor. Didn't harm Taylor did it? Allen can then continue his learning before heading off to a CL club if he is worthy.
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Post by walrus on Jul 25, 2012 8:26:32 GMT
If he failed at Liverpool at least he had a go. . Had a go at a club that Swansea took 4 points off last season? You miserable bastard! This is 2012 not 1981 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 12:03:19 GMT
Swansea should hold out for 20 million and use the same argument they used with Taylor. Didn't harm Taylor did it? Allen can then continue his learning before heading off to a CL club if he is worthy. Agreed. |
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Post by squatter1 on Jul 25, 2012 16:46:50 GMT
Let's imagine that Allen goes for £15m as is looking increasingly likely.
Would that be a record fee paid for a Welsh player to date?
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Post by saints19 on Jul 25, 2012 18:07:32 GMT
I believe it would, as Bale's total fees for the move from Southampton would not amount to that much. I believe he initially moved for £8m, with add-ons.
Had Giggs moved at the peak of his career, he would surely have commanded more than £15m.
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Post by saints19 on Jul 25, 2012 18:11:16 GMT
Allen should go to Liverpool. Rodgers obviously rates him and the chairmen seem to rate Rodgers, so it looks like he would have a stable future there in the starting XI. Liverpool would undoubtedly be a step up for him.
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Post by squatter1 on Jul 25, 2012 18:33:54 GMT
You've got to look at this as a good move for all involved: Allen, Liverpool, Wales and Swansea.
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Post by walrus on Jul 25, 2012 23:45:35 GMT
You've got to look at this as a good move for all involved: Allen, Liverpool, Wales and Swansea. Why is it good for Swansea? They don't need the cash but do need welsh players at the club otherwise we are just a franchise |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 8:04:05 GMT
You've got to look at this as a good move for all involved: Allen, Liverpool, Wales and Swansea. Why is it good for Swansea? They don't need the cash but do need welsh players at the club otherwise we are just a franchise No it's not good to lose a young welsh international to a bunch of scousers living on past glories when you are looking to establish yourselves in the EPL, but if the money is ploughed into facilities to unearth a further 5 to 10 local lads capable of playing at the top level for Swansea and Wales in the future, then yes it could be good as long as Swansea can cement their place in the top flight this season. |
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Post by alarch on Jul 26, 2012 8:26:19 GMT
Although Swansea's success last season was very much a team effort, there were two players that contributed more than any to the style of play: Allen and Britton. So, I don't care how much Swansea get for Allen, he will be a big loss.
I get the impression that Laudrup is pretty chilled about an Allen departure - it may make it easier for him to employ a more attacking midfield (hence the links with Mark Davies). With Britton and Allen in the squad it would be pretty much impossible to drop either, and yet their main contribution is defensive solidity - perhaps going against what Laudrup is wanting to achieve.
Regardless of whether or not Allen is going to go (and it looks highly likely) I don't think Swansea will play tiki taka next season. It's a sweeping statement I know, but as I see it there were three teams playing tiki taka in World football last year, Barcelona, Spain and Swansea. I may well be unaware of some less well known teams in Spain or South America playing this way - but I don't think I'm far off. This really showed up in Euro12 - with Spain playing a noticeably different style of play from all the other countries. Yes, Italy and Portugal, to name but two, had players who were comfortable on the ball, but they took much bigger risks with possession, especially Italy.
I see Swansea next season being a lot more adventurous, especially in the final third. I expect the possession stats to drop, more goals being conceded, but hopefully a greater increase in the goals scored. A less ideologically pure Swansea may provide a better template for Wales than the Rodgers way. Interesting times (as ever) to be a Swansea fan, but I must admit to being nervous about the future. I would take a scraped survival. For Wales to reap the benefits, vis a vis the academy, etc. we need Swansea to remain in the top division for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 10:04:30 GMT
Although Swansea's success last season was very much a team effort, there were two players that contributed more than any to the style of play: Allen and Britton. So, I don't care how much Swansea get for Allen, he will be a big loss. I get the impression that Laudrup is pretty chilled about an Allen departure - it may make it easier for him to employ a more attacking midfield (hence the links with Mark Davies). With Britton and Allen in the squad it would be pretty much impossible to drop either, and yet their main contribution is defensive solidity - perhaps going against what Laudrup is wanting to achieve. Regardless of whether or not Allen is going to go (and it looks highly likely) I don't think Swansea will play tiki taka next season. It's a sweeping statement I know, but as I see it there were three teams playing tiki taka in World football last year, Barcelona, Spain and Swansea. I may well be unaware of some less well known teams in Spain or South America playing this way - but I don't think I'm far off. This really showed up in Euro12 - with Spain playing a noticeably different style of play from all the other countries. Yes, Italy and Portugal, to name but two, had players who were comfortable on the ball, but they took much bigger risks with possession, especially Italy. I see Swansea next season being a lot more adventurous, especially in the final third. I expect the possession stats to drop, more goals being conceded, but hopefully a greater increase in the goals scored. A less ideologically pure Swansea may provide a better template for Wales than the Rodgers way. Interesting times (as ever) to be a Swansea fan, but I must admit to being nervous about the future. I would take a scraped survival. For Wales to reap the benefits, vis a vis the academy, etc. we need Swansea to remain in the top division for a while. Absolutely spot on! |
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Post by Tim P on Jul 26, 2012 12:35:31 GMT
Although Swansea's success last season was very much a team effort, there were two players that contributed more than any to the style of play: Allen and Britton. So, I don't care how much Swansea get for Allen, he will be a big loss. I get the impression that Laudrup is pretty chilled about an Allen departure - it may make it easier for him to employ a more attacking midfield (hence the links with Mark Davies). With Britton and Allen in the squad it would be pretty much impossible to drop either, and yet their main contribution is defensive solidity - perhaps going against what Laudrup is wanting to achieve. Regardless of whether or not Allen is going to go (and it looks highly likely) I don't think Swansea will play tiki taka next season. It's a sweeping statement I know, but as I see it there were three teams playing tiki taka in World football last year, Barcelona, Spain and Swansea. I may well be unaware of some less well known teams in Spain or South America playing this way - but I don't think I'm far off. This really showed up in Euro12 - with Spain playing a noticeably different style of play from all the other countries. Yes, Italy and Portugal, to name but two, had players who were comfortable on the ball, but they took much bigger risks with possession, especially Italy. I see Swansea next season being a lot more adventurous, especially in the final third. I expect the possession stats to drop, more goals being conceded, but hopefully a greater increase in the goals scored. A less ideologically pure Swansea may provide a better template for Wales than the Rodgers way. Interesting times (as ever) to be a Swansea fan, but I must admit to being nervous about the future. I would take a scraped survival. For Wales to reap the benefits, vis a vis the academy, etc. we need Swansea to remain in the top division for a while. Really interesting analysis. Reading between the lines, I think Laudrup may well be pushing for Allen to go so that he can get the money, or at least some of it, to boost his budget. |
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Post by squatter1 on Jul 26, 2012 12:47:22 GMT
You've got to look at this as a good move for all involved: Allen, Liverpool, Wales and Swansea. Why is it good for Swansea? They don't need the cash but do need welsh players at the club otherwise we are just a franchise Well I think any club of Swansea's side need the cash. £15m is an incredible profit. You could buy a youth academy with that kind of dosh. |
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Post by oojibooji on Jul 26, 2012 13:08:16 GMT
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jul 26, 2012 15:06:39 GMT
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 26, 2012 20:21:56 GMT
Joe Allen just went off injured for team GB dont know how serious mind
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 20:59:08 GMT
Joe Allen just went off injured for team GB dont know how serious mind Wanker. Shouldn't even be participating in that bollocks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 11:10:49 GMT
Joe Allen just went off injured for team GB dont know how serious mind Nasty leg injury so I've heard. |
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