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Post by ger93 on Nov 16, 2017 13:39:21 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this bloke and his commitment to Wales is legendary.
In terms of his footballing ability, however, I'm not really sure what he brings to our team nowadays. Yes, he's solid defensively and knows how to win a free kick. But every time he gets forward, he cuts back and passes it backwards.
Do we have any promising right/left back's coming through that could give us more?
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Post by ontheroadagain on Nov 16, 2017 13:40:37 GMT
The BBC Wales tweet is not quite true and you can check it out using this link: www.11v11.com/players/chris-gunter-225204/It lists all his caps apart from the latest one. Comparing the list of his caps against Wales fixtures he missed 6 between his first cap v New Zealand on 26/05/06, and second cap v RoI on 17/11/06: 02/06/07 Wales v Check Republic 22/08/07 Bulgaria v Wales 08/09/07 Wales v Germany 12/09/07 Slovakia v Wales 13/10/07 Cyprus v Wales 17/10/07 San Marino v Wales The other 4 he missed are: 26/03/08 Luxembourg v Wales 20/08/08 Wales v Georgia 14/11/09 Wales v Scotland 12/10/10 Switzerland v Wales Gunter hasn't missed a game in 7 years! |
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 16, 2017 14:10:26 GMT
Was it the Swiss game he was suspended for after the red card against Bulgaria?
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Post by jamesc87 on Nov 16, 2017 14:21:26 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this bloke and his commitment to Wales is legendary. In terms of his footballing ability, however, I'm not really sure what he brings to our team nowadays. Yes, he's solid defensively and knows how to win a free kick. But every time he gets forward, he cuts back and passes it backwards. Do we have any promising right/left back's coming through that could give us more? I understand what you are saying in terms of ability but I genuinely don't think there is anyone better at the moment. When you consider the experience he has and the trust the fans seem to have in him to do his job well, I think he will be unchallenged as long as he keeps doing what he is doing. I love the connection he has with the fans too. Coming over after the Ireland game was a nice touch and his response after the England game will always be iconic |
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Post by alarch on Jan 17, 2018 14:19:14 GMT
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jan 17, 2018 14:20:23 GMT
Hes a legend of world football!
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 30, 2018 21:07:58 GMT
Mans on fire this month...just scored for Reading.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 30, 2018 21:25:54 GMT
Mans on fire this month...just scored for Reading. The end is nigh |
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 30, 2018 23:10:41 GMT
Mans on fire this month...just scored for Reading. The end is nigh When he scores his first for Wales it deserves a pitch invasion. Still say he should have took the penalty against Panama. |
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Post by zenith on Mar 21, 2018 17:37:03 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Mar 21, 2018 19:31:30 GMT
Brilliant and long overdue some recognition , Gunter would run through a brick wall for Wales. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 21, 2018 22:19:32 GMT
International connoisseurs of the Welsh game, great to see.
Gunter is set to become our most capped outfield player when he takes the field tonight. Another milestone for the 28 yr old.
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Post by chislenko on Mar 21, 2018 23:57:42 GMT
To be fair they are not the best looking Chinese birds around. I am not sure if I would want to taste their "birds nest soup"
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Post by zenith on Mar 22, 2018 0:43:39 GMT
International connoisseurs of the Welsh game, great to see. Gunter is set to become our most capped outfield player when he takes the field tonight. Another milestone for the 28 yr old. Likely to have 87 after this round of matches, which would leave him 5 away from Southall. He could become equal with Southall at the age of 29 by the end of 2018 with 5 scheduled games after the China Cup. What an achievement that would be. Although he is not the best footballer, he is reliable and does his job well. "The fan on the pitch". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 8:56:14 GMT
I regret watching that video on public transport. I was crying with laughter.
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 22, 2018 15:23:21 GMT
86 caps at 28 is insane, what a man!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 15:23:42 GMT
Gunter also makes history in Nanning www.bbc.com/sport/football/43501828Wales' new all-time record scorer was not the country's only history-maker in China. Winning his 86th cap, Chris Gunter becomes Wales most capped outfield player, passing the total of 85 reached by his former manager Gary Speed. Gunter made his Wales debut in 2007 against New Zealand, a 2-2 friendly draw which proved to be Giggs' penultimate international appearance. Gunter is now just six caps short of goalkeeper Neville Southall's record at the age of just 28. "It's a great achievement for Chris, he's been so consistent for Wales," Giggs said. |
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Post by melynwy on Mar 22, 2018 22:04:04 GMT
To be fair they are not the best looking Chinese birds around. I am not sure if I would want to taste their "birds nest soup" What the hell? Every now and again a post on this forum really makes me angry. If a group of people can't make a harmless video without these kind of comment I really do despair. |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 22, 2018 22:46:49 GMT
Incredible achievement and a top pro, I’d love to see him get to 100 caps. This lad needs to be made a big deal of, we need kids trying to replicate what he’s done for Wales. It’s ok wanting to be a Gareth Bale but not everyone is blessed with that talent, they should all aim to have the dedication of Gunter though.
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Post by zenith on Mar 23, 2018 1:27:57 GMT
Incredible achievement and a top pro, I’d love to see him get to 100 caps. This lad needs to be made a big deal of, we need kids trying to replicate what he’s done for Wales. It’s ok wanting to be a Gareth Bale but not everyone is blessed with that talent, they should all aim to have the dedication of Gunter though. Come on, he's definitely getting to 100. I reckon he's going to hit 120 or so before he's finished. |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 23, 2018 11:38:47 GMT
Has the Gunter song been taken up by the red wall?
Imagine getting the whole stadium singing it on Monday
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Post by welwyn on Mar 25, 2018 11:30:10 GMT
Has the Gunter song been taken up by the red wall? Imagine getting the whole stadium singing it on Monday Could work, from what I hear, sounds like the majority of the locals will be on our side tomorrow. |
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Post by zenith on Mar 25, 2018 12:38:37 GMT
Has the Gunter song been taken up by the red wall? Imagine getting the whole stadium singing it on Monday Could work, from what I hear, sounds like the majority of the locals will be on our side tomorrow. I reckon The Barry Horns can get it going good and proper in Cardiff in September |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 27, 2018 9:24:08 GMT
Thought he was a weak link against Uruguay. I love the man’s commitment as much as anyone but we’ve got to start looking at other options if we are going to persist with wing backs.
When Roberts was warming up I thought it was for Gunts and would have respected Giggs for such a bold move. Seems like Chris is beyond reproach sometimes.
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Post by alarch on Mar 27, 2018 9:35:27 GMT
Gunter gave us the usual consistent performances over the two games, with the usual strengths and weaknesses. Against China he looked good, and delivered a peach of a cross (under no pressure it has to be said) for Vokes' first goal. But against higher quality opposition, in Uruguay he looked ponderous in possession, and was one of several who slowed down our tempo. This was in stark contrast with Uruguay, who had no players who looked unfomfortable in possession. Gunter will be a valuable squad member for years to come, but we really need to look at alternatives in the season-end friendlies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 11:32:38 GMT
Thought he was a weak link against Uruguay. I love the man’s commitment as much as anyone but we’ve got to start looking at other options if we are going to persist with wing backs. When Roberts was warming up I thought it was for Gunts and would have respected Giggs for such a bold move. Seems like Chris is beyond reproach sometimes. Agree. Love the guy also. But there's no getting away from the fact that made some quite influential mistakes and kept making them unfortunately. We have a few contenders to challenge Gunter on the right hand side, but quite frankly none have yet pipped him on playing consistently at as high as his level at Reading. I'm holding out hope that Connor Roberts can change that over the next year. There's a decent chance Jazz will be playing in the PL next year, but I've filed him in my mind as a bonus player because of injuries, just like Joniesta and Huws. I know everyone has been waxing lyrical about Declan on the left, but I see similar playing behaviour with him unfortunately. Just not enough of an attacking contribution and way too many passes back to the centre back (not that isn't sometimes the right option). Unless we are able to get better quality for the wing backs, I'm really not convinced with the system as our primary tactic. It feels a bit like a waste of personel on the pitch at times. Though I do appreciate there has been a huge gain with the system over the past few years and still could be useful, but we have lost one of the most impactful advantages it had, which was that it was unusual. But in football, these things are a bit like fashion. They come and go with how much they are valuable. |
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Post by alarch on Mar 27, 2018 16:44:00 GMT
Good points Otto. It's a big conundrum, the wing back system has given us so much security at the back - but has cost us a lot going forwards. Toshack's duvet analogy springs to mind. It may be no coincidence that Uruguay's goal came against a de facto back four, seeing that John was in no man's land. The extra space in the channels was all that Uruguay needed to get the decisive goal.
The way I see it - if we're to progress with wing backs we need quality in those positions. We have that on the left in Davies - but that leaves a gap to fill on the left side of the back three. Perhaps Dummett or Ampadu can fill that gap. Alternatively, we can experiment with a winger in this position. Lawrence certainly has the engine and technical ability to fill the role, but whether he has the defensive nous I'm not sure. The right hand side is a problem - but Richards has performed at a consistent level - and has the basic technical give and go capabilities that Gunter sorely lacks.
Failing that perhaps we need to be willing to sacrifice the defensive resilience of a back five for the extra attacking potential by reverting to a 4-2-3-1, or other formations involving a back four.
The possibility of Ampadu playing a role where he fluctuates between playing in front of a back four alongside Allen, with a central role at the heart of a back five, is an interesting proposition. But could a 17 year old really pull that off? It's a huge ask.
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Post by welwyn on Mar 27, 2018 18:46:03 GMT
Good points Otto. It's a big conundrum, the wing back system has given us so much security at the back - but has cost us a lot going forwards. Toshack's duvet analogy springs to mind. It may be no coincidence that Uruguay's goal came against a de facto back four, seeing that John was in no man's land. The extra space in the channels was all that Uruguay needed to get the decisive goal. The way I see it - if we're to progress with wing backs we need quality in those positions. We have that on the left in Davies - but that leaves a gap to fill on the left side of the back three. Perhaps Dummett or Ampadu can fill that gap. Alternatively, we can experiment with a winger in this position. Lawrence certainly has the engine and technical ability to fill the role, but whether he has the defensive nous I'm not sure. The right hand side is a problem - but Richards has performed at a consistent level - and has the basic technical give and go capabilities that Gunter sorely lacks. Failing that perhaps we need to be willing to sacrifice the defensive resilience of a back five for the extra attacking potential by reverting to a 4-2-3-1, or other formations involving a back four. The possibility of Ampadu playing a role where he fluctuates between playing in front of a back four alongside Allen, with a central role at the heart of a back five, is an interesting proposition. But could a 17 year old really pull that off? It's a huge ask. I'd love to see us play a 4 with a Half-Back, which is basically the role we are describing 'basically a ball-playing defender' who plays in front of them but drops back in. I've seen it a lot with Matthias Lehmann for FC. Koln. It can be brilliant when it works and long-term it might be Ampadu's perfect position, however, it is a hugely intuitive position where anticipation and positioning is key. As a result, experience in knowing how football matches work is vital. Now, we know one of Ethan's best qualities is his football brain but to do that at 17 is asking an awful lot. Equally, if we asked him to play there now, the experience he would gain would possibly make him unstoppable there very quickly and we could get very attacking very quickly as we could play Allen & Ramsey ahead of him as a 3 in front of a back 4. Potentially with 3 out and out attacking players in front of them. Say we fail to qualify for the Euro's, Giggs goes and Nathan Jones comes in (he plays a diamond with Luton where you can really tell he wants a Half-Back at the base but you really don't get them at that level). Our first XI could be something like: -------------Ward -------Chester-Mepham Roberts---Ampadu---Davies -------Ramsey--Allen ------------Brooks ------Bale------Woodburn The interchanging of that front 3 hugely excites me. |
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Post by chislenko on Mar 27, 2018 20:21:05 GMT
The bloke has been passing the ball back for the last ten years, very often putting other defenders under pressure to relieve himself of said pressure.
Never has been a footballer in my book but I dare say we being Wales will make sure he gets his 100 caps.
A man that has probably made a few million from football for being average at best.
I personally don't get the Gunter "love in"
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