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Post by gwernybwch on Mar 28, 2018 10:18:39 GMT
The bloke has been passing the ball back for the last ten years, very often putting other defenders under pressure to relieve himself of said pressure. Never has been a footballer in my book but I dare say we being Wales will make sure he gets his 100 caps. A man that has probably made a few million from football for being average at best. I personally don't get the Gunter "love in" I don't think that the "love in" is for him as a player of football, but him as a person. I've seen him at the airport after Belgium away and Andorra away and he had a smile on his face as big as the supporters. He was more than happy to pose for photos and sign autographs. I have met him briefly at a signing and he seems a genuinely nice guy. Have you seen the photos of him after the England game and celebrating after the third goal against Belgium in the Euro's? Those photos tells you all you need to know about how much playing for Wales means to him. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Mar 28, 2018 10:24:45 GMT
I seem to remember Gunter keeping Ronaldo quiet in this game: news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/fa_cup/7842634.stmHe's easily good enough to play in the premier league (in over 30 caps for Wales I can only remember him being disappointing a couple of times) I hope he goes to Fulham or Norwich (always seems to work out well for Welsh players there) next month. Hes a solid player, unspectacular, but reliable. Hes comfortable at Championship level, could play bottom half Premier League level. |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 28, 2018 10:59:09 GMT
We also don't have a better right back
He is limited but until someone better comes along he will be picked.
He does t make many mistakes, his experience is important and he is the best example you could have for young players coming into the squad
Sha la la la la la o Chris Gunter
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Post by alarch on Mar 28, 2018 11:14:07 GMT
Gunter is a solid pro, and obviously a lovely guy. But Richards has more technical ability and should be starting ahead of Gunter.
The wider question is how committed are we to playing a highly technical game? Under Coleman we adopted a largely pragmatic mix-and-match approach, which was understandable given that we didn't have a great depth of technically accomplished players. It's very early days but Giggs hasn't departed from the Coleman template yet - but that may reflect the absence of so many of our more technical players in Ramsey, Lawrence, Jonny William, Huws, Ampadu, Richards and Brooks. Given that the pool of technically proficient players at our disposal is deepening, it will be interesting to see whether Giggs is bold enough to go for a more ambitious brand of football. My gut feeling is that he won't, but it's far too early to make a judgement on the matter.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Mar 28, 2018 11:19:23 GMT
Gunter is a solid pro, and obviously a lovely guy. But Richards has more technical ability and should be starting ahead of Gunter. The wider question is how committed are we to playing a highly technical game? Under Coleman we adopted a largely pragmatic mix-and-match approach, which was understandable given that we didn't have a great depth of technically accomplished players. It's very early days but Giggs hasn't departed from the Coleman template yet - but that may reflect the absence of so many of our more technical players in Ramsey, Lawrence, Jonny William, Huws, Ampadu, Richards and Brooks. Given that the pool of technically proficient players at our disposal is deepening, it will be interesting to see whether Giggs is bold enough to go for a more ambitious brand of football. My gut feeling is that he won't, but it's far too early to make a judgement on the matter. Also i think he will gradually depart from Coleman's approach. It makes sense - he only had a week with them, there isnt alot you can impart in that time. |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 28, 2018 12:49:50 GMT
Gunter is a solid pro, and obviously a lovely guy. But Richards has more technical ability and should be starting ahead of Gunter. The wider question is how committed are we to playing a highly technical game? Under Coleman we adopted a largely pragmatic mix-and-match approach, which was understandable given that we didn't have a great depth of technically accomplished players. It's very early days but Giggs hasn't departed from the Coleman template yet - but that may reflect the absence of so many of our more technical players in Ramsey, Lawrence, Jonny William, Huws, Ampadu, Richards and Brooks. Given that the pool of technically proficient players at our disposal is deepening, it will be interesting to see whether Giggs is bold enough to go for a more ambitious brand of football. My gut feeling is that he won't, but it's far too early to make a judgement on the matter. Think you are blinkered by Richards. Wasn't picked by Swansea Fulham and Cardiff. Also never fit unlike Gunter |
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Post by iot on Mar 28, 2018 13:08:42 GMT
Championship managers are far better judges of players than any of us. For the last 5+ years each one have started gunter without fault, while each of Jazz's have eventually decided to drop him.
I agree that Jazz has done well for us overall, and is better technically than Gunts. I also agree that gunter can be very frustrating. However, for that string of managers to have made those decisions, they must have seen other flaws in Jazz's game that aren't there with gunts and which may not be obvious to us. It could be to do with positional play, ability to follow instructions etc.
We can all agree that ability wise, gunter is one of our weakest links. However, until another RB gets regular gametime at a similar level and outperforms him, he should keep his place. The onus is on Jazz, Roberts et al to do that.
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 28, 2018 19:41:13 GMT
Jazz’s challenge is keeping fit for a season.
I believe he is a better footballer, but does not have the attitude and fitness of Gunter
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 28, 2018 19:50:20 GMT
Gunter is a solid pro, and obviously a lovely guy. But Richards has more technical ability and should be starting ahead of Gunter. The wider question is how committed are we to playing a highly technical game? Under Coleman we adopted a largely pragmatic mix-and-match approach, which was understandable given that we didn't have a great depth of technically accomplished players. It's very early days but Giggs hasn't departed from the Coleman template yet - but that may reflect the absence of so many of our more technical players in Ramsey, Lawrence, Jonny William, Huws, Ampadu, Richards and Brooks. Given that the pool of technically proficient players at our disposal is deepening, it will be interesting to see whether Giggs is bold enough to go for a more ambitious brand of football. My gut feeling is that he won't, but it's far too early to make a judgement on the matter. Gunter is a better and more reliable player than Richards, Richards has decent technical ability but not enough to put him ahead of Gunter As welshiron said previously, Richards hasn't been able to nail down a starting berth at Swansea, Fulham or Cardiff and Gunter has made more than double the amount of senior league appearances despite being only 2 years older |
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Post by alarch on Mar 28, 2018 20:09:19 GMT
Well there we go we just have to disagree. I'd happily select a player playing in the Isthmian league if he had the attributes we needed. Richards has consistently performed at a high level for Wales - and enables us to play the swift interpassing game that we once aspired to under Speed. Gunter is a solid performer, and has become more reliable defensively, but if we're to aspire to playing a more progressive brand of football - which our squad now allows - then Gunter is a square peg in a round hole.
The issue for me here is the relative importance of playing an idealistic brand of football as opposed to a pragmatic one. It's the same with Swansea. Give me an aspirational, close-interpassing brand of football any day. All the strongest teams at club or country level aspire to playing a sophisticated brand of football. Pragmatism only gets you so far. See Pulis, Allardyce or Warnock.
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Post by welshiron on Mar 29, 2018 8:39:29 GMT
Give me someone who is fit for every game than someone there for half or less of the games.
Don't think he is better than Gunter anyway and overall Gunter brings more to the table.
Hopefully a decent right back will emerge
But Richards and Matthews haven't kicked on so maybe Roberts will. However, he will probably need to leave Swansea to do so.
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Post by matty on Mar 29, 2018 9:02:47 GMT
Gunter will score a 6/7 every game.
Richards could be a 5, could be a 10.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 9:26:41 GMT
Gunter has been a wonderful servant to wales and has had his brilliant moment in the sun but if we want to move to the next level we need an upgrade. Still a great squad member going forward though imo.
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Post by cadno on Mar 29, 2018 10:57:40 GMT
Gunter's crossing has definitely improved.
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Post by reesg on Mar 30, 2018 7:16:26 GMT
His weaknesses:
He can't pass
He can't cross
He can't dribble
He can't beat his man
He can't shoot
He kills tempo by passing backwards
He can't score
His positioning is poor
He gives the ball away
His strengths:
He's passionate
He's never injured
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Post by joeymunchesgladbachs on Mar 30, 2018 9:09:17 GMT
He's probably had his best games for Wales in the centre. Wales 1-0 Belgium springs to mind. If we continue with 3 at the back he could be a good option as one of the CBs (he can play left or right) and releasing Ben Davies to be a wing-back and a more attacking option on the right. Valencia, Young, Moses etc started as wingers not full-backs.
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Post by iot on Mar 30, 2018 11:09:15 GMT
His weaknesses: He can't pass He can't cross He can't dribble He can't beat his man He can't shoot He kills tempo by passing backwards He can't score His positioning is poor He gives the ball away His strengths: He's passionate He's never injured I would move the last two 'weaknesses' to the strengths list, but agree with the others. However, it's very debatable that there are any better alternatives. So what's your solution? |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 30, 2018 11:20:15 GMT
His weaknesses: He can't pass He can't cross He can't dribble He can't beat his man He can't shoot He kills tempo by passing backwards He can't score His positioning is poor He gives the ball away His strengths: He's passionate He's never injured I have another strength for you: He's our best right back |
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Post by joseywales37 on Mar 30, 2018 11:26:36 GMT
Its an odd one this because I love his passion for Wales, but with 2020 quals in mind and the thought that this is best time to transition, i actually think Con Robs is better choice now (seen him play on both sides). Would certainly keep in and around squads tho.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Mar 30, 2018 12:19:52 GMT
His weaknesses: He can't pass He can't cross He can't dribble He can't beat his man He can't shoot He kills tempo by passing backwards He can't score His positioning is poor He gives the ball away His strengths: He's passionate He's never injured Fans have short memories bro What about his fantastic cross for Vokes to head in against Belgium at the Euro,s? |
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Post by iot on Mar 30, 2018 12:37:58 GMT
Its an odd one this because I love his passion for Wales, but with 2020 quals in mind and the thought that this is best time to transition, i actually think Con Robs is better choice now (seen him play on both sides). Would certainly keep in and around squads tho. Sorry, but there seems to be a strong Swans bias behind that suggestion. He hasn't shown nearly enough to challenge for a starting spot. It was only at the beginning of this season that he couldn't get a game for middlesbrough. Since returning to the swans, he's had four or five solid 6/10 performances against mainly lower league opposition. How is that enough to displace gunter or jazz? He's not close to displacing naughton yet and he will have to do that first before starting for us. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 30, 2018 13:10:25 GMT
Its an odd one this because I love his passion for Wales, but with 2020 quals in mind and the thought that this is best time to transition, i actually think Con Robs is better choice now (seen him play on both sides). Would certainly keep in and around squads tho. He's not even second choice, probably not even third behind Gunter, Richards and even Matthews Chris Gunter - 385 senior league appearances Jazz Richards - 127 senior league appearances Adam Matthews - 188 senior league appearances Connor Roberts - 49 senior league appearances (With 45 at League 2 Yeovil) I'm sorry, but to suggest that Roberts deserves a spot ahead of a vastly experienced and reliable right back in Chris Gunter as well as perfectly adequate deputies such as Richards and Matthews makes no sense to me. Hopefully Roberts goes on to establish himself in the Swansea City team next season, but one league appearance suggests otherwise |
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Post by zenith on Mar 30, 2018 13:12:46 GMT
Matthews was so promising for Cardiff in the early days, I was sure he would become a Premier League regular. Absolutely dwindled endlessly since then.
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 30, 2018 13:14:46 GMT
Matthews was so promising for Cardiff in the early days, I was sure he would become a Premier League regular. Absolutely dwindled endlessly since then. I think we all know who to blame here *cough* Dave Jones *cough* |
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Post by joseywales37 on Mar 30, 2018 14:10:00 GMT
Its an odd one this because I love his passion for Wales, but with 2020 quals in mind and the thought that this is best time to transition, i actually think Con Robs is better choice now (seen him play on both sides). Would certainly keep in and around squads tho. He's not even second choice, probably not even third behind Gunter, Richards and even Matthews Chris Gunter - 385 senior league appearances Jazz Richards - 127 senior league appearances Adam Matthews - 188 senior league appearances Connor Roberts - 49 senior league appearances (With 45 at League 2 Yeovil) I'm sorry, but to suggest that Roberts deserves a spot ahead of a vastly experienced and reliable right back in Chris Gunter as well as perfectly adequate deputies such as Richards and Matthews makes no sense to me. Hopefully Roberts goes on to establish himself in the Swansea City team next season, but one league appearance suggests otherwise Its just a personal opinion, based on fact that I think from now on Roberts will develop into a better player than them by time and certainly by end of qualifiers and the only way to transition some these youngsters for us is to give them friendly game time now. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Mar 30, 2018 14:18:28 GMT
Its an odd one this because I love his passion for Wales, but with 2020 quals in mind and the thought that this is best time to transition, i actually think Con Robs is better choice now (seen him play on both sides). Would certainly keep in and around squads tho. Sorry, but there seems to be a strong Swans bias behind that suggestion. He hasn't shown nearly enough to challenge for a starting spot. It was only at the beginning of this season that he couldn't get a game for middlesbrough. Since returning to the swans, he's had four or five solid 6/10 performances against mainly lower league opposition. How is that enough to displace gunter or jazz? He's not close to displacing naughton yet and he will have to do that first before starting for us. Not bias towards Swans, I go watch the Swans academy play a lot yes, and keep an eye on all up coming players with links to Wales from any club and obviously the experienced players. Don't know how many Swans fans you talk to, but the ones I talk to are pleading for Naughton to be dropped in favour of Roberts. He has clearly been more effective when he has been given chance Prem game v Newcastle was case in point. Its a just my opinion that by time Qualifiers come round he will probably be better than our other options, he developing quickly now imo. Don't know what happened on loan, but he is clearly very good. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 30, 2018 19:21:33 GMT
He's not even second choice, probably not even third behind Gunter, Richards and even Matthews Chris Gunter - 385 senior league appearances Jazz Richards - 127 senior league appearances Adam Matthews - 188 senior league appearances Connor Roberts - 49 senior league appearances (With 45 at League 2 Yeovil) I'm sorry, but to suggest that Roberts deserves a spot ahead of a vastly experienced and reliable right back in Chris Gunter as well as perfectly adequate deputies such as Richards and Matthews makes no sense to me. Hopefully Roberts goes on to establish himself in the Swansea City team next season, but one league appearance suggests otherwise Its just a personal opinion, based on fact that I think from now on Roberts will develop into a better player than them by time and certainly by end of qualifiers and the only way to transition some these youngsters for us is to give them friendly game time now. If Roberts is playing regularly at a higher level than the others then he deserves the spot ahead of the others, but a few FA Cup appearances shouldn't be enough and isn't enough to dislodge a player with 87 caps |
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Post by joseywales37 on Mar 30, 2018 20:58:15 GMT
Its just a personal opinion, based on fact that I think from now on Roberts will develop into a better player than them by time and certainly by end of qualifiers and the only way to transition some these youngsters for us is to give them friendly game time now. If Roberts is playing regularly at a higher level than the others then he deserves the spot ahead of the others, but a few FA Cup appearances shouldn't be enough and isn't enough to dislodge a player with 87 caps I'm not saying to totally dislodge, but I'm not gonna lie id rather we use friendly to give players like Roberts chance to be primed for qualifiers rather than go in blind, cos imo Gunter on decline, Richards and Matthews are ok and I am convinced if Roberts keeps it up he will defo be better than them. As I said, the feeling in Swansea id he should be ahead of Naughton. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 1, 2018 21:59:53 GMT
Think it was Holmesdale who mentioned on here that Gunter went off injured during a pre season friendly. Apparently it’s serious and he looks set to miss our first games this autumn.
This is unheard of. When was the last time he missed a game?
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Post by manulike on Aug 1, 2018 23:01:43 GMT
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