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Post by dragonsoccer on Nov 14, 2024 22:37:23 GMT
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Post by redwall on Nov 15, 2024 8:14:42 GMT
Without meaning to jinx things or be too hyperbolic, I think this u19 side is one of the best crops of players we've had (probably only surpassed by Ramsey's geenration who topped their group ahead of France/Italy if I remember correctly and almost went through against England). We have good to great prospects all over the park. Agree with all this, and you didn't even mention Cruz Allen, Charlie Crew and Lewis Koumas who fit into this 17-19 year old range. This is the first time I've ever really followed our youth teams and it just seems like there is so much talent there. I know a lot of youth prospects don't pan out but there seems to be great depth in certain positions like striker. If Koumas doesn't pan out then maybe Biancheri will. If he doesn't then Iwan Morgan, George Morgan, Belmont and Issaka might. Then there's Louie Bradbury at 16. So my question for those who've followed the youth teams a long time, where does the current U17/U19 generation stand, how optimistic are you for this one and were there similar teams and players in the past you thought were dead certs to become top stars but who went nowhere? |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Nov 15, 2024 8:32:24 GMT
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Post by dragonsoccer on Nov 15, 2024 8:33:24 GMT
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Post by manulike on Nov 15, 2024 13:39:18 GMT
Without meaning to jinx things or be too hyperbolic, I think this u19 side is one of the best crops of players we've had (probably only surpassed by Ramsey's geenration who topped their group ahead of France/Italy if I remember correctly and almost went through against England). We have good to great prospects all over the park. Agree with all this, and you didn't even mention Cruz Allen, Charlie Crew and Lewis Koumas who fit into this 17-19 year old range. This is the first time I've ever really followed our youth teams and it just seems like there is so much talent there. I know a lot of youth prospects don't pan out but there seems to be great depth in certain positions like striker. If Koumas doesn't pan out then maybe Biancheri will. If he doesn't then Iwan Morgan, George Morgan, Belmont and Issaka might. Then there's Louie Bradbury at 16. So my question for those who've followed the youth teams a long time, where does the current U17/U19 generation stand, how optimistic are you for this one and were there similar teams and players in the past you thought were dead certs to become top stars but who went nowhere? Saw the U17 thrice last year in Budapest and again in Cyprus. The mere fact that they got the the Euro finals was quite an achievement - and in both competition they got better as they progressed. So yes - I for one am very optimistic. Not entirely sure about the current U17 crop ... but not really fancy trip to Qatar again tbh :+) |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Nov 15, 2024 16:15:35 GMT
We tend to have a sudden glut in talent coming through in particular age groups. First the Bale/Ramsey generation, then 1997 born followed by 2000-2001 and then current Under-19 crop. Lower age groups seems a lot weaker but its enough to keep us going as a competitive team I think for several years.
Charlie Crew and Sam Parker also 96 born talents not in the squad.
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Post by Belle Vue on Nov 15, 2024 18:34:33 GMT
Cock up with the Under 21 squad the other day was a huge setback
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Post by dragon64 on Nov 15, 2024 21:18:39 GMT
Without meaning to jinx things or be too hyperbolic, I think this u19 side is one of the best crops of players we've had (probably only surpassed by Ramsey's geenration who topped their group ahead of France/Italy if I remember correctly and almost went through against England). We have good to great prospects all over the park. Agree with all this, and you didn't even mention Cruz Allen, Charlie Crew and Lewis Koumas who fit into this 17-19 year old range. This is the first time I've ever really followed our youth teams and it just seems like there is so much talent there. I know a lot of youth prospects don't pan out but there seems to be great depth in certain positions like striker. If Koumas doesn't pan out then maybe Biancheri will. If he doesn't then Iwan Morgan, George Morgan, Belmont and Issaka might. Then there's Louie Bradbury at 16. So my question for those who've followed the youth teams a long time, where does the current U17/U19 generation stand, how optimistic are you for this one and were there similar teams and players in the past you thought were dead certs to become top stars but who went nowhere? Thought these 2 were good at the schoolboy level- Alex Godfrey Leo Papirnyk and Oliver Salter looked very good |
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Post by welshrover on Nov 16, 2024 0:12:01 GMT
See the Czech under 21's beat Belgium 2-0 in their play off.
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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2024 19:23:16 GMT
Any link to the u19 game?
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Post by neverever on Nov 16, 2024 19:54:07 GMT
Any link to the u19 game? Not found nothing but the one that gives you the score and vague info like Wales or France attack. But anything will do to escape strictly and the Mrs But its 0-0 after 22 minutes.. |
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Post by neverever on Nov 16, 2024 20:02:52 GMT
Wales winning 1-0 after 30 minutes.
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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2024 20:04:59 GMT
Wales winning 1-0 after 30 minutes. Yesss! Gutted there's no link, I was looking forward to it. I noticed loads of changes to the starting XI, with some of our best players not starting, which makes this more impressive! |
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Post by neverever on Nov 16, 2024 20:06:03 GMT
Wales winning 1-0 after 30 minutes. Yesss! Gutted there's no link, I was looking forward to it. I noticed loads of changes to the starting XI, with some of our best players not starting, which makes this more impressive! Yes and me. And its 1-1 now. |
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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2024 21:04:28 GMT
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Post by wirralwelsh on Nov 16, 2024 21:30:34 GMT
With Liechtenstein to come its fair to say we'll be finishing second in this group, which I think was always the main aim and expectation
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 16, 2024 21:42:58 GMT
Lost 2 1, but 8 shots on goal apiece suggests we were very competitive.
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Post by iot on Nov 19, 2024 17:07:01 GMT
5-0 win in the final group game against Lichtenstein. Sctland play against France in the final group game at 7.30 - if they win that it would leave the three of us on 6 points!
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Post by underwood on Nov 19, 2024 17:08:44 GMT
5-0 win in the final group game against Lichtenstein. Sctland play against France in the final group game at 7.30 - if they win that it would leave the three of us on 6 points! Then it comes down to goal difference surely & then we are done for? |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 19, 2024 17:13:35 GMT
5-0 win in the final group game against Lichtenstein. Sctland play against France in the final group game at 7.30 - if they win that it would leave the three of us on 6 points! Then it comes down to goal difference surely & then we are done for? We have +2 GD on Scotland, would need to beat France by 2, we've also scored more goals than them so I think they'd need to win 3-0 |
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Post by manulike on Nov 19, 2024 17:15:31 GMT
5-0 win in the final group game against Lichtenstein. Sctland play against France in the final group game at 7.30 - if they win that it would leave the three of us on 6 points! Then it comes down to goal difference surely & then we are done for? Wiki says its the head-to-head. If I understand this correctly, Scotland winning means that the Scots and us qualify?
Points in head to head matches among tied teams
Goal difference in head to head matches among tied teams
Goals scored in head to head matches among tied teams
If more than two teams are tied, and after applying all head-to-head criteria above, a subset of teams are still tied, all head-to-head criteria above are reapplied exclusively to this subset of teams
Goal difference in all group matches
Goals scored in all group matches
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Post by underwood on Nov 19, 2024 17:17:52 GMT
Then it comes down to goal difference surely & then we are done for? We have +2 GD on Scotland, would need to beat France by 2, we've also scored more goals than them so I think they'd need to win 3-0 A 2-0 win for Scotland means that France will still have a gd of +6. Unfortunately there is no metric by which we can finish top. Another goal for us today would have made it possible I think. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 19, 2024 17:43:17 GMT
If Scotland win by 3 clear goals then we finish third I assume. Scotland would have +6 goal difference, France and ourselves +5. France would go through in second place on head to head. Is this correct?
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Post by iot on Nov 19, 2024 17:57:45 GMT
If Scotland win by 3 clear goals then we finish third I assume. Scotland would have +6 goal difference, France and ourselves +5. France would go through in second place on head to head. Is this correct? manulike’s post above suggests it wouldn’t come down to overall goal difference, but rather a head to head in the games between the three of us (so excluding Lichtenstein basically). If Scotland win by 2, they would be on +1, we would be on 0, and France on -1 |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 19, 2024 18:24:33 GMT
Yes, I got confused. So if Scotland win two one France would finish top on goals scored in head to heads, and we would finish above Scotland because of our better Liechtenstein result. If Scotland win 1 0 then we finish second on head to head goals scored. I think...
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Post by Belle Vue on Nov 19, 2024 19:25:57 GMT
Why haven’t both group games kicked off at the same tonight ?
UEFA regulations state the final matches both games kick off at the same time so no team has any advantage!
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 19, 2024 19:35:54 GMT
Fair point, although in this instance there is no way France and Scotland can conspire a result that results in us not finishing second. France and Scotland will finish 1st or 3rd.
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Post by Belle Vue on Nov 19, 2024 19:50:38 GMT
Ok
Got it
Snow
Both matches moved to Falkirk on artificial pitch due to the original venues deemed unfit
Toss of coin to see which match stated first
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Post by manulike on Nov 19, 2024 22:01:43 GMT
U19 ELITE ROUND
7 groups of 4 and the 7 winners to join Romania, the hosts in the Summer, scheduled for 13 to 26 June 2025.
The draw at 11:00 CET on Thursday 5 December
Austria, Belgium, Croatia, Czechia, Denmark, England, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Israel, Italy, Luxembourg, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal (bye), Republic of Ireland, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain (holders), Türkiye, Wales
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Post by Belle Vue on Nov 20, 2024 7:18:29 GMT
Czechia Qualified for the finals yesterday
Wow
The cock up last month just gets bigger !
It’s a monumental mistake which has denied our future talent a chance to showcase their talent on what is the biggest youth tournament in Europe
I feel so sorry for the players / parents who sacrifice so much for them to be denied this opportunity due to someone’s incompetence
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