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steve evans
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Post by 1983 on Apr 8, 2022 19:10:08 GMT
I think the whole derby thing all depends on where you live....etc obviously but I think it's fair to say any of the 4 main Welsh teams that ever meet each other will be considered as a derby of sorts
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 9, 2022 9:08:57 GMT
As a Cardiff fan I completely agree - without the Swans, Welsh football would have been in a much worse place from 2014-2022 I consider our biggest rivals to be Bristol Rovers, and completely agree with Criag Bellamy's take on it. At least the Swans are Welsh, Bristol is our bigger rival I want to see all Welsh sides playing in England to be playing in the English top flight Im sure you mean Bristol City? If not then there is a weird triangulation going on because Bristol Rovers consider their rivals to be Bristol City but the lack of a league derby for 20+ years means Bristol City try to consider Cardiff as their rivals, so for Cardiff to see Rovers as their rivals…well you can see where I’m going…. This is one of the things I really dislike about football tribalism. Everyone is trying to consider a team from somewhere miles away as their rival as if to try and use it to slight their nearest geographical rival. Eg I daresay Swindon consider Bristol City as their rival these days despite being much closer to Bristol Rovers and Oxford in terms of league position than they are to Bristol city Yes apologies, did that thing where I went to write City but then someone said Blackburn Rovers as I was writing and I didn't clock it! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 9, 2022 9:11:42 GMT
As a Cardiff fan I completely agree - without the Swans, Welsh football would have been in a much worse place from 2014-2022 I consider our biggest rivals to be Bristol Rovers, and completely agree with Criag Bellamy's take on it. At least the Swans are Welsh, Bristol is our bigger rival I want to see all Welsh sides playing in England to be playing in the English top flight In what meaningful sense are they your biggest rival though? If they were your biggest rival, then why do so many more thousands of your fans attend games against us, and the crowds against Bristol City weren't any bigger when we weren't in the same division? 2021/22 - 27,280 vs Swansea, 20,891 vs Bristol City 2019/20 - 28,529 vs Swansea, 23,846 vs Bristol City When Cardiff last played Bristol Rovers at home, the attendance was just under 10,000. There's only one side that your getting close to filling your ground out for, for a derby game and that's us. If you look throughout the history of attendances between the two games, when the sides have been playing each other regularly in the same competition, Swansea-Cardiff games have always pulled bigger crowds and the attendances don't lie. Cardiff-Bristol City have sometimes pulled in big crowds themselves, after the war (Swansea-Cardiff had bigger crowds), late 50's (Swansea-Cardiff had bigger crowds), late 60's to early 70's (Swansea and Cardiff didn't play a league game). When the crowds took a dip for both clubs in the late 80's and 90's, when Cardiff and Bristol City did play each other from 88-92 the South Wales derby had bigger crowds in those years. The reaction to Steve Morison going along the lines of saying this is just another game says it all, as does the reaction to Cardiff fans to the result, and the reaction they've had to previous defeats which has led to managers going etc. I didn't say anything about what other peoe think. I'm fully aware the SWD is a bigger event and more people consider them the biggest rivals. I'm just saying personally I feel we have more in common with the Swans, and will always consider an English club to be a bigger rival for that reason |
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Post by iot on Jan 8, 2023 11:37:07 GMT
Fair play to Swansea, they've been good recently in term of Welsh representation. Four in the starting lineup today with another 2 on the bench
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Post by hooky on Jan 8, 2023 12:02:31 GMT
2 on the bench.
Obviously there is Congreve. Who is the other?
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Post by iot on Jan 8, 2023 12:14:56 GMT
Joel Cotterill - a decent prospect who's been in our youth squads - u19s I think. Only 18, centre mid, could definitely do with him breaking through!
Edit - looking into it, he started all three of our u19 games last September, alongside Joel Colwill, Rubin's brother. They're our main centre mid prospects at that age group
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Post by bale-droed on Jan 8, 2023 12:33:33 GMT
I hope Joel comes on today. Bristol have jay da Silva and Andy King on the bench. There could be more Welsh eligible on the field soon than any Cardiff v Swansea fixtures for a generation or 2
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 8, 2023 13:09:39 GMT
At least if Swansea and Cardiff played each other today it would be a lot more welsh players involved.
Four starters for Swansea and two for Cardiff plus a total of three on the subs bench between them.
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Post by iot on Jan 8, 2023 13:45:18 GMT
First half's been an interesting watch.
Joe Allen has been the best player by far, as he was in their last game against Burnley from what I gather.
Cabango has been good in the air and on the ball (definitely a big improvement in his game), although already had one calamitous moment which could have ended in a penalty. He doesn't seem to be cutting those out of his game at all.
Cooper's been a big disappointment. He's managed to find himself in promising positions on several occasions and done nothing with it, from a combination of lacking the physical attributes needed, poor touches, and not backing himself. He's been in behind a couple of times and just been easily caught up and brushed off the ball. He's been in good positions to take a positive touch and get a shot off / find a pass, but been overly negative a few times.
Cullen's struggled to get involved, and again is far too weak and slow for me - he can't run away from defenders and gets easily brushed off.
Based on all I've seen from those players (not just this game), I predict that Allen will be a crucial player for another 2 years, Cabango will never establish himself in the first team (just can't see him ironing out those dodgy moments that he has 2 or 3 times every game), and I don't think Cullen and Cooper has what it takes - I'd be surprised if they achieve double figures in caps between them.
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 14, 2023 22:37:35 GMT
They're a mess, Martin has to go, such an overrated manager, he never did enough to earn the job in the first place. Scoring the odd nice passing move goal doesn't paper over the massive cracks in their game often caused by an inability to just keep it tight and simple.
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Post by dai on Mar 14, 2023 23:01:53 GMT
I wonder what the odds are on Cardiff and Swansea going down. Looking quite possible atm.
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Post by underwood on Mar 15, 2023 9:17:47 GMT
On current form I would say Cardiff have more chance of staying up. The current bottom 3 are so poor & QPR are also dreadful, their recent run is almost as bad as Swansea’s.
Rotherham & Birmingham will also come into the picture, it’s not over yet by any means, but I think it will be Huddersfield, Wigan & AN Other who goes, with QPR & Swansea being in most peril.
The South Wales derby will go a long way towards deciding the fate of both clubs.
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 15, 2023 11:00:01 GMT
I wonder what the odds are on Cardiff and Swansea going down. Looking quite possible atm. Both are in danger but I think it would need a freak run of results for both to go down . |
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Mar 15, 2023 11:50:12 GMT
According to Radio Wales Martin has the backing of one of the co-owners.
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Post by saturn9 on Mar 15, 2023 11:57:25 GMT
Saturday v Boro atmosphere was hard to explain, resigned to being a mid/lower Chs'p side amongst fans I think.
Woeful team selection and baffling tactics and a goalkeeper who looks shot to bits doesn't help.
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Post by jimmytaff on Mar 15, 2023 13:18:53 GMT
I wonder what the odds are on Cardiff and Swansea going down. Looking quite possible atm. Personally I think it's highly unlikely both will go down and quite unlikely one will. I feel that Cardiff have turned a corner and will do enough and Swansea still have a bit of a cushion. You don't have to be good to stay up just better than some really struggling teams. Cardiff's form has been very poor this season but they've never been in the bottom 3. |
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Post by rushy on Mar 15, 2023 13:59:00 GMT
Swansea have conceded the most goals in the division apparently, even though they dominate possession, somebody needs to tell Martin his tactics are not working.
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Post by bale-droed on Mar 15, 2023 14:40:02 GMT
Saturday v Boro atmosphere was hard to explain, resigned to being a mid/lower Chs'p side amongst fans I think. Woeful team selection and baffling tactics and a goalkeeper who looks shot to bits doesn't help. Just wait till Iwan makes his first team debut then you’ll see rejuvenated fans |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 15, 2023 15:50:17 GMT
I wonder what the odds are on Cardiff and Swansea going down. Looking quite possible atm. Personally I think it's highly unlikely both will go down and quite unlikely one will. I feel that Cardiff have turned a corner and will do enough and Swansea still have a bit of a cushion. You don't have to be good to stay up just better than some really struggling teams. Cardiff's form has been very poor this season but they've never been in the bottom 3. Yep there's some real garbage at the bottom One of Blackpool/Hudds/Wigan may turn a corner but I highly doubt both Cardiff & Swansea will go down |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 15, 2023 18:09:08 GMT
Swansea have conceded the most goals in the division apparently, even though they dominate possession, somebody needs to tell Martin his tactics are not working. It's arguably the worst kind of football for me, I'd rather watch a team lump it and be overly physical, at least that can sometimes create excitement, drama and get the atmosphere going. Passing it around fairly aimlessly with no guile and conviction only to lose it and concede is just woeful, especially when you never see any signs of them learning from it. Granted I don't watch Swansea all that often but I watch little highlights and goals in each game and they just look flat. They've scored the odd lovely goal and played the odd nice bit of football but it's style over substance and even the style is looking bad. |
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Post by rushy on Mar 16, 2023 10:17:59 GMT
I don't watch them much either but I try to follow EFL Welsh clubs in how they are getting on, I think the problem with new fangled coaching is this belief in Guardiola/Barcelona style ticky tacky football that lesser coaches are using, but with lesser quality players and trying to produce the same results on the pitch that blatantly does not work.
You will have periods in a game where it works but overall there are too many mistakes being made that ultimately are costing teams matches, Swansea are typical of this and they are now in a position where they are vulnerable unless Martin does some tweaking.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on May 12, 2023 10:55:49 GMT
Not got his own thread, but Josh Thomas has been named our U23's player of the season. He scored 4 goals against Birmingham City in the game following winning the award.
Hopefully around the first team next season, should certainly be involved in pre-season. I'd expect Piroe to leave, and for us not to be able to really replace him so we'll most likely have to promote from within.
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Post by saturn9 on May 12, 2023 12:08:17 GMT
Not got his own thread, but Josh Thomas has been named our U23's player of the season. He scored 4 goals against Birmingham City in the game following winning the award. Hopefully around the first team next season, should certainly be involved in pre-season. I'd expect Piroe to leave, and for us not to be able to really replace him so we'll most likely have to promote from within. Where did you see Piroe ending up? Back playing in Europe or a Southampton/Leicester. His body language was abysmal during Feb early March. Then everything clicked for him and the team early Spring.Strange. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on May 12, 2023 16:48:16 GMT
Not got his own thread, but Josh Thomas has been named our U23's player of the season. He scored 4 goals against Birmingham City in the game following winning the award. Hopefully around the first team next season, should certainly be involved in pre-season. I'd expect Piroe to leave, and for us not to be able to really replace him so we'll most likely have to promote from within. Where did you see Piroe ending up? Back playing in Europe or a Southampton/Leicester. His body language was abysmal during Feb early March. Then everything clicked for him and the team early Spring.Strange. Either a side getting relegated from the Premier League, or a side being promoted to the Premier League. That sort of quality. He's good enough to play in the Premier League in terms of quality, but I don't think he showed just how good he was this season. 20 goals is still not to be snuffed at, but with his ability he should have got more and established himself as the best striker in the division. I'd say most outsiders/neutrals would consider that to be Gyokeres and Akpom now, who'll be the ones more likely to join a mid-table Premier League side. |
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Post by surge on Jul 25, 2024 19:44:17 GMT
Any Jacks on here who can give the lowdown on their pre-season so far?
Looks like Ben Lloyd has been given some minutes pre-season, but it's still quite a small squad overall.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 26, 2024 11:34:49 GMT
Cabango, Cullen, Cooper and Parker started against Koln, which was very much a pre-season performance. Only Cabango is a guaranteed starter. Cullen will probably be second fiddle to a new CF signing. Parker and Cooper will get minutes off the bench. Josh Thomas may get some game time off the bench (he has a lot of the attributes Williams likes, such as pace and good intensity out of possession) but may also go out on loan. The likes of Lloyd, Congreve and Cotterrill will probably all go out on loan.
One player who may make an unexpected breakthrough is U18s Thomas Woodward, who's been prolific at that level. Still unlikely though.
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Post by surge on Jul 27, 2024 16:32:55 GMT
Swansea City: Evan Watts (Lawrence Vigouroux 63); Kyle Naughton (captain) (Dan Watts 35) (Josh Key 63), Filip Lissah (Ben Cabango 63), Kristian Pedersen (Harry Darling 63), Nathan Tjoe-A-On (Josh Tymon 63); Joel Cotterill (Matt Grimes 63), Azeem Abdulai (Jay Fulton 63), Goncalo Franco (Ollie Cooper 63); Liam Smith (Sam Parker 63), Josh Thomas (Liam Cullen 63), Cameron Congreve (Eom Ji-sung 63).
Latest team for friendly and subs.
Watts (X2), Cabango, Cotterill, Cooper, Parker, Thomas, Cullen, Congreve Welsh qualified.
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Post by dragon64 on Aug 31, 2024 22:58:28 GMT
Swans deals 24/25
INS
Eom Ji-Sung - Gwangju (£1.1m)
Goncalo Franco - Moreirense (£2.1m)
Lawrence Vigoroux - Burnley (undisclosed)
Zan Vipotnik - Bordeaux (free)
Nelson Abbey - Olympiakos (loan)
Florian Bianchini - Bastia (undisclosed)
Jon McLaughlin - Rangers (free)
Myles Peart-Harris - Brentford (loan)
Outs
Przemyslaw Placheta - Oxford United (free)
Liam Walsh - Luton Town (free)
Nathanael Ogbeta - Plymouth (free)
Jamie Paterson - Charlotte FC (free)
Jerry Yates - Derby County (loan)
Nathan Wood - Southampton (£3.5m)
Cameron Congreve - Bromley (loan)
Joel Cotterill - Swindon Town (loan)
Mykola Kuharevich - Hibernian (loan)
Josh Thomas - Bromley (loan)
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Post by stevej on Sept 2, 2024 8:22:22 GMT
I went to west brom on Saturday, my first away game for over 18 months..
I was a bit worried after the Cardiff game, then a bit more after the Wycombe defeat in the cup, then a bit more again at HT on Saturday... But we were good in the 2nd half against very good opposition, particularly so for the first 10/15 mins of that half..
I can't see us finishing particularly high this season but hopefully we'll have enough not to have to look over our shoulder too much while we continue to build...
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Post by paj on Sept 2, 2024 9:54:54 GMT
Seems to me that all the signs are pointing to a forthcoming ownership sale of the swans. Wage bill is being dramatically reduced and outstanding debts cleared all with the aim of making the club a more attractive proposition to wouldbe buyers. Team are being allowed to drift with the hope that they have enough to avoid relegation in the meantime. Let’s hope any new owners have the funds; ambition and hopefully football knowledge that the Americans have been sadly lacking.
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