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Post by dundalkfc on Oct 12, 2017 14:56:50 GMT
They were both physically tough games and both teams reverted to rough tactics at various points in both games. It's understandable after a defeat to look at the small margins and perceived injustices. I've done it enough over the years. A throw in that Belgium got a goal from in the 97 play off that should have been an Irish throw, Henry's handball, the disgrace of a Portuguese ref against Belgium in 81.
I find it's best though to accept that qualification is lost over the course of a campaign - not one individual game or decision. A few Irish fans were annoyed when Duffy's header was ruled offside in the last minute against Austria and our best player and captain had his leg broken against Wales but the reality is we also got a bit of fortune too - we fouled the keeper in Georgia for our goal but it's easy to just focus on the things done to your team.
Wales are a fine side. They did fantastic in the Euros, went down to the wire in the last game of the Group and are guaranteed Group B for the next Euros qualification campaign. All things considered that's good return.
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Post by alarch on Oct 12, 2017 15:16:20 GMT
A decent post, and I agree overall with the sentiments. But the idea that there was an equivalence between the Irish and Welsh tactics is a nonsense I'm afraid. Ireland set out to play a rough game on both occasions and got away with it. That's not to say that Wales didn't produce some bad tackles in the Dublin match - Bale could easily have been red-carded. But it's history now - and until video replays are introduced to cover even minor incidents in-match there will always be an incentive for some teams to game the system. That's what Ireland did - and they got away with it thanks to some dreadful refereeing.
Am I bitter? A bit I guess, but it would be far more useful for us to reflect on those things we need to improve on that are within our control, rather than fixate on the vagaries of opposition tactics and refereeing ineptitude.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 12, 2017 15:22:22 GMT
We did not show up against Ireland. Even on the first 30 mins the final ball let us down. We were poor 1st seeds and I'd really like us to move on now. There was no penalty miss. Anyone notice that Gary Speed took a massive dive to win the penalty?? There was no rotten penalty for accidental handball 85 and there no floodlight failure Iceland at the Vetch and hopefully no failed drugs test from the Irish like the Russian game. We blew this group at home to Georgia and Serbia.
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Post by alarch on Oct 12, 2017 15:39:48 GMT
You make a decent argument quetzal - but there was a missing red card against Long and a missing red card against Whelan. Do you think the outcome of that match would have been different had Ireland played with 9 men, as they should have? I'm all for letting go and moving on, and focussing on our own failings, but let's not pretend were different from what they were.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 12, 2017 16:13:38 GMT
You make a decent argument quetzal - but there was a missing red card against Long and a missing red card against Whelan. Do you think the outcome of that match would have been different had Ireland played with 9 men, as they should have? I'm all for letting go and moving on, and focussing on our own failings, but let's not pretend were different from what they were. I've had two sleepless nights over the last match. Anyway in Dublin before the group started we would have taken a nil nil. I'm. I'm not even sure we created one clear cut chance against the Irish!!! Hal's header in the second half took a lot of work to get that on target. I'm so disappointed. I want Cookie to stay but if he got the boot it would because of failure |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 12, 2017 16:18:50 GMT
Against Bosnia at home in the Euro qualifiers we got nasty. Wales were too nice before that. People loved it on here that we fronted up. Against Ireland we thought too much about suspensions.
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 12, 2017 16:20:19 GMT
You make a decent argument quetzal - but there was a missing red card against Long and a missing red card against Whelan. Do you think the outcome of that match would have been different had Ireland played with 9 men, as they should have? I'm all for letting go and moving on, and focussing on our own failings, but let's not pretend were different from what they were. I've had two sleepless nights over the last match. Anyway in Dublin before the group started we would have taken a nil nil. I'm. I'm not even sure we created one clear cut chance against the Irish!!! Hal's header in the second half took a lot of work to get that on target. I'm so disappointed. I want Cookie to stay but if he got the boot it would because of failure I remember Jonny having a good chance at the back post and Randolph being forced into a couple of good saves |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 12, 2017 16:25:40 GMT
I've had two sleepless nights over the last match. Anyway in Dublin before the group started we would have taken a nil nil. I'm. I'm not even sure we created one clear cut chance against the Irish!!! Hal's header in the second half took a lot of work to get that on target. I'm so disappointed. I want Cookie to stay but if he got the boot it would because of failure I remember Jonny having a good chance at the back post and Randolph being forced into a couple of good saves I was at the other end of Stadium. Have not seen the replay. I'd like to see the Jonny chance again. I'm just very sad. I'm 41 and thank god we got to a Euro semi. If we die, at least we have them Euros. Toshfan said to me at the Hangar bar in Tiblisi 'Wales away is not a secret anymore, Apostle still is'. Maybe some of the hangers on will piss off before the next Euros |
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Post by ae15 on Oct 12, 2017 16:44:05 GMT
Another thing that annoys me, and was constant in our campaign : Crossing the ball. We seemed to be able to cross the ball when Hal was paying up top (not his strength, so we never won the headers), but as soon as Vokes comes on we never seem to get any crosses in the box at all. I feel the problem is that Vokes just simply doesn't fit into the team. He and the other players are just not on the same wavelength. Check out at 80:40 where Woodburn whips a perfect ball in for Vokes and somehow he doesn't manage to get on it. He had to anticipate that ball far better. Vokes also wins every single header, but there's never anyone on the flick on. We need to work out what team we're going to be. If our Plan A is to pass the ball into the net then we should play HRK or a false 9. But there's no point having a Plan B of lumping it up to Vokes if we don't have the other players playing off him at all. ![]() |
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Post by pendragon on Oct 14, 2017 17:51:26 GMT
We blew this group at home to Georgia and Serbia. While I don't agree with your sentiments about the ROI match, this wasn't just about one game. It was about ten - where at least two of those ended up in draws where we could have converted them into wins. I do think there may have been slight complacency in the very early stages tbh. And maybe having played and won against the likes of Belgium, a slight underappreciation of the tactics used by the more "defence-oriented" sides, and how to counter them. I believe there was also far too much settling on a point here and there, and our prospects were not helped by Ramsey and Bale being injured and/ or suspended during some periods of the campaign. But I agree, Serbia and Georgia (h) was where we blew it. Let's face it, if we were 21 points going into the ROI game on Monday and they were on 16, we would not have been too bothered by the result (bar Allen's injury). In qualification, all games are critical. |
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Post by oscardelta on Oct 15, 2017 10:50:15 GMT
I do think there may have been slight complacency in the very early stages tbh. And maybe having played and won against the likes of Belgium, a slight underappreciation of the tactics used by the more "defence-oriented" sides, and how to counter them. I believe there was also far too much settling on a point here and there, and our prospects were not helped by Ramsey and Bale being injured and/ or suspended during some periods of the campaign. I agree The "we are top seeds and Euro 2016 semi finalists" was what people kept stating and then "so who will come second" assumming that auto qualification was theirs without fighting for it. Wales went into Euro 2016 as tournament unknowns because nobody has seen what you can do at it. ROI learned over many years that post a finals the best way to try and get to the next one was to play a team that had gone a long way in those finals. Complacency and just not yet being ready was commonplace among many teams and also when they likely to drop points. On this occasion FIFA decided the games. I said before a ball was kicked that this group could be the group of draws and so it proved. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 16, 2017 21:08:09 GMT
Anybody else think that it must be more than just pure coincidence that shortly after two Irishmen have concussed this man -  that God has released a hell-like storm on Ireland?? |
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Post by pendragon on Oct 16, 2017 21:16:30 GMT
Anybody else think that it must be more than just pure coincidence that shortly after two Irishmen have concussed this man - View Attachmentthat God has released a hell-like storm on Ireland?? Oooh, stop it!!! |
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Post by oscardelta on Oct 16, 2017 21:38:26 GMT
Anybody else think that it must be more than just pure coincidence that shortly after two Irishmen have concussed this man - that God has released a hell-like storm on Ireland?? Well neither Ireland or Wales have done much good in last week as both had Universities gave Hillary Clinton honorary degrees. Think how lucky we are that storm wasn't last week and some degrees to the east. |
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Post by richierich333 on Oct 17, 2017 6:47:01 GMT
Another thing that annoys me, and was constant in our campaign : Crossing the ball. We seemed to be able to cross the ball when Hal was paying up top (not his strength, so we never won the headers), but as soon as Vokes comes on we never seem to get any crosses in the box at all. I feel the problem is that Vokes just simply doesn't fit into the team. He and the other players are just not on the same wavelength. Check out at 80:40 where Woodburn whips a perfect ball in for Vokes and somehow he doesn't manage to get on it. He had to anticipate that ball far better. Vokes also wins every single header, but there's never anyone on the flick on. We need to work out what team we're going to be. If our Plan A is to pass the ball into the net then we should play HRK or a false 9. But there's no point having a Plan B of lumping it up to Vokes if we don't have the other players playing off him at all. ![]() We have waited too long for a top striker now. I know we all love Vokes and HRK but are they good enough to start at this level? We are desperately lacking in the final third and its time we stopped making excuses for our lack of goals (style of play, no out and out striker etc.) |
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Post by satch on Oct 27, 2017 13:34:33 GMT
The amount of sour grapes in this thread is laughable. And all the while, not a mention of Seamus Coleman's leg being snapped in two in Dublin. There was always going to be an element of revenge in this game after that and so it turned out. Hardly surprising given we'd had probably our strongest player eliminated from the qualifiers for the remaining 6 games.
General view in Ireland is that the lads pulled ofF a masterclass "Smash & Grab", which was the only way to approach the game, and Wales simply had nothing to counter it with. Irish teams have never been the most pleasing on the eye but their record in qualification over the last 30 years is incomparable to that of Wales - 6 WC/EC Finals and a further 4 play-off losses. In fact, there have only been 2 occasions since Jack Charlton took over in 1987 that Ireland haven't been in the hunt on the final round of qualification matches.
And their record over Wales in that period is equally impressive: P11 W6 D4 L1. They are currently the only team from Qualification Pot 4 remaining in the World Cup. The idea that they've managed to do all this down the years by means of brute force just doesn't stand up. Best of luck next time out guys.
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Post by notpropaganda on Oct 27, 2017 15:18:06 GMT
jesus lad bumping a 2 week old thread to talk sour grapes. log off there and let's focus on Denmark eh?
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 27, 2017 15:20:14 GMT
The amount of sour grapes in this thread is laughable. And all the while, not a mention of Seamus Coleman's leg being snapped in two in Dublin. There was always going to be an element of revenge in this game after that and so it turned out. Hardly surprising given we'd had probably our strongest player eliminated from the qualifiers for the remaining 6 games. General view in Ireland is that the lads pulled ofF a masterclass "Smash & Grab", which was the only way to approach the game, and Wales simply had nothing to counter it with. Irish teams have never been the most pleasing on the eye but their record in qualification over the last 30 years is incomparable to that of Wales - 6 WC/EC Finals and a further 4 play-off losses. In fact, there have only been 2 occasions since Jack Charlton took over in 1987 that Ireland haven't been in the hunt on the final round of qualification matches. And their record over Wales in that period is equally impressive: P11 W6 D4 L1. They are currently the only team from Qualification Pot 4 remaining in the World Cup. The idea that they've managed to do all this down the years by means of brute force just doesn't stand up. Best of luck next time out guys. I know that generally speaking things in Ireland are a little behind, but you do realise that the game was near on three weeks ago now? |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 27, 2017 17:01:19 GMT
The amount of sour grapes in this thread is laughable. And all the while, not a mention of Seamus Coleman's leg being snapped in two in Dublin. There was always going to be an element of revenge in this game after that and so it turned out. Hardly surprising given we'd had probably our strongest player eliminated from the qualifiers for the remaining 6 games. General view in Ireland is that the lads pulled ofF a masterclass "Smash & Grab", which was the only way to approach the game, and Wales simply had nothing to counter it with. Irish teams have never been the most pleasing on the eye but their record in qualification over the last 30 years is incomparable to that of Wales - 6 WC/EC Finals and a further 4 play-off losses. In fact, there have only been 2 occasions since Jack Charlton took over in 1987 that Ireland haven't been in the hunt on the final round of qualification matches. And their record over Wales in that period is equally impressive: P11 W6 D4 L1. They are currently the only team from Qualification Pot 4 remaining in the World Cup. The idea that they've managed to do all this down the years by means of brute force just doesn't stand up. Best of luck next time out guys. Yawn. |
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Post by pendragon on Oct 30, 2017 12:52:19 GMT
General view in Ireland is that the lads pulled ofF a masterclass "Smash & Grab", which was the only way to approach the game, and Wales simply had nothing to counter it with. There's nothing "masterclass" about a "smash and grab" and interesting that in the midsts of praising your own side, you openly admit that roughhouse tactics is how you play - and by extension, win - games. Why don't you move on and focus on the play-offs?? I don't expect you'll be back on here to mouth off if you don't make it though. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 30, 2017 15:39:14 GMT
The amount of sour grapes in this thread is laughable. And all the while, not a mention of Seamus Coleman's leg being snapped in two in Dublin. There was always going to be an element of revenge in this game after that and so it turned out. Hardly surprising given we'd had probably our strongest player eliminated from the qualifiers for the remaining 6 games. General view in Ireland is that the lads pulled ofF a masterclass "Smash & Grab", which was the only way to approach the game, and Wales simply had nothing to counter it with. Irish teams have never been the most pleasing on the eye but their record in qualification over the last 30 years is incomparable to that of Wales - 6 WC/EC Finals and a further 4 play-off losses. In fact, there have only been 2 occasions since Jack Charlton took over in 1987 that Ireland haven't been in the hunt on the final round of qualification matches. And their record over Wales in that period is equally impressive: P11 W6 D4 L1. They are currently the only team from Qualification Pot 4 remaining in the World Cup. The idea that they've managed to do all this down the years by means of brute force just doesn't stand up. Best of luck next time out guys. I know that generally speaking things in Ireland are a little behind, but you do realise that the game was near on three weeks ago now? Probably took him 3 weeks to write it. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 30, 2017 16:13:10 GMT
Has Troy Deeney any Irish connections?  |
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Post by llan123 on Oct 30, 2017 16:34:35 GMT
Has Troy Deeney any Irish connections? He's qualified to play for NI, I think. Disgraceful behaviour, he's an absolute tosser and a thug. |
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Post by dai on Oct 30, 2017 16:55:57 GMT
If there's any doubt regarding Irelands thuggish tactics, one only needs to read this unbiased review of the Dublin game: www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/24/demolition-derby-ireland-wales-boils-taking-roy-keanes-advice/' Joe Allen was lighter on his feet, his skills sharper, his touch more delicate. He flicked a foot out, took the ball away from his midfield partner at Stoke, a brother in arms. Glenn Whelan, red-faced, sweating, combative, turned and stood his ground. No, he did more than that. As Allen tried to wriggle around him, he thrust an arm back, an elbow caught Allen in his throat. He fell to the floor.' 'Within a few minutes of kick off, Chris Gunter had been left in a heap on the touchline, moments later the golden boy Bale had been left in a similar position by a sliding tackle from James McClean. On both occasions there was no foul, but a mark had been left. Before the interval, Ashley Williams was also put down by Shane Long. Each time the challenge was fair, but it hurt. Ireland were following Keane’s instructions perfectly.' Enough said, hope Denmark knock them out next month. That's not football. |
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Post by maccatac on Oct 30, 2017 17:40:05 GMT
The amount of sour grapes in this thread is laughable. And all the while, not a mention of Seamus Coleman's leg being snapped in two in Dublin. There was always going to be an element of revenge in this game after that and so it turned out. Hardly surprising given we'd had probably our strongest player eliminated from the qualifiers for the remaining 6 games. General view in Ireland is that the lads pulled ofF a masterclass "Smash & Grab", which was the only way to approach the game, and Wales simply had nothing to counter it with. Irish teams have never been the most pleasing on the eye but their record in qualification over the last 30 years is incomparable to that of Wales - 6 WC/EC Finals and a further 4 play-off losses. In fact, there have only been 2 occasions since Jack Charlton took over in 1987 that Ireland haven't been in the hunt on the final round of qualification matches. And their record over Wales in that period is equally impressive: P11 W6 D4 L1. They are currently the only team from Qualification Pot 4 remaining in the World Cup. The idea that they've managed to do all this down the years by means of brute force just doesn't stand up. Best of luck next time out guys. I know that generally speaking things in Ireland are a little behind, but you do realise that the game was near on three weeks ago now? Things are behind in Ireland??? Says the lads who still bow down to a monarch 😂😂😂 Enjoy your big game against Panama next month!!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 30, 2017 19:29:13 GMT
Has Troy Deeney any Irish connections? He's qualified to play for NI, I think. Disgraceful behaviour, he's an absolute tosser and a thug. He should be playing for the ROI a horrible dirty player and he would fit in well to that set-up. Always gets abuse when playing against Palace. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 30, 2017 19:32:08 GMT
satch I know that generally speaking things in Ireland are a little behind, but you do realise that the game was near on three weeks ago now? Things are behind in Ireland??? Says the lads who still bow down to a monarch 😂😂😂 Enjoy your big game against Panama next month!!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 But why do millions of ROI resodents live and work in the UK then? |
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Post by oscardelta on Oct 30, 2017 22:06:03 GMT
Things are behind in Ireland??? Says the lads who still bow down to a monarch 😂😂😂 Enjoy your big game against Panama next month!!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 But why do millions of ROI resodents live and work in the UK then? Think you really are a bit confused. I am an Irish CITIZEN who is RESIDENT and working in the UK and have been for many years. Just like there are British CITIZENS from Wales and elsewhere who are RESIDENT in Republic of Ireland. If you are still confused then answer why is Gareth Bale playing in Spain ? ALL of above come down to PERSONAL CHOICE, just like your dad had a choice and could have moved to North London and you would now be a Spurs supporter. |
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Post by johnswift83 on Oct 31, 2017 23:20:02 GMT
Looking back on the two games between Wales and Ireland, I think the psychological battle was won by Ireland before the first game in Dublin. The FAI secured a much higher proportion of tickets for Irish fans in Cardiff than the FAW secured for their trip to Dublin. In hindsight, the Irish players and fans never really feared going to Cardiff.
Over the course of 180 minutes, it's hard to remember Wales creating a decent goal scoring opportunity. I think the final pecking order in the group was just about right. Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland. This Wales team certainly has a good future and I fully expect them to qualify for Euro 2020.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 1, 2017 7:48:04 GMT
satch I know that generally speaking things in Ireland are a little behind, but you do realise that the game was near on three weeks ago now? Things are behind in Ireland??? Says the lads who still bow down to a monarch 😂😂😂 Enjoy your big game against Panama next month!!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 Really? I make a comment in jest about an Irishman who joins a Welsh football forum purposefully to make a comment almost three weeks after the game and you go straight to the default insult of calling me British! I thought that the Irish were well known for their banter and the love of the craic? Oh well, I'm take your insult and raise you. Can't say that i have personally bowed down to a monarch. Having said that, I haven't shook the Queens hand either. I've never said that I like her. I doubt that my family will be receiving a letter of condolence from her when I die. |
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