The "Tackle" on Joe Allen

[eppingblue]

Oct 31, 2017 23:20:02 GMT johnswift83 said:

Looking back on the two games between Wales and Ireland, I think the psychological battle was won by Ireland before the first game in Dublin. The FAI secured a much higher proportion of tickets for Irish fans in Cardiff than the FAW secured for their trip to Dublin. In hindsight, the Irish players and fans never really feared going to Cardiff.

Over the course of 180 minutes, it's hard to remember Wales creating a decent goal scoring opportunity. I think the final pecking order in the group was just about right. Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland. This Wales team certainly has a good future and I fully expect them to qualify for Euro 2020.

I find it hard to disagree with any of that, as much as I want to. We should have beaten Serbia twice, loads better than them in Cardiff, leading late in the game in Belgrade. We drew both which pretty much sums up where we ended up.

[vandenhauwe]

Oct 30, 2017 17:40:05 GMT maccatac said:

Oct 27, 2017 15:20:14 GMT gwernybwch said:

satch I know that generally speaking things in Ireland are a little behind, but you do realise that the game was near on three weeks ago now?

Things are behind in Ireland??? Says the lads who still bow down to a monarch 😂😂😂 Enjoy your big game against Panama next month!!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

3 weeks on and we are still dealing with these idiots admin can we just remove them!!Considering they say they hate the english so much lots of them support English sides and their fans are proving on here they are pritty much as arrogant as them!!!

[1gwaunview]

It'll go quiet from the Emerald Isle once they're knocked out in the play-offs (Please!!)

[alarch]

Oct 31, 2017 23:20:02 GMT johnswift83 said:

Looking back on the two games between Wales and Ireland, I think the psychological battle was won by Ireland before the first game in Dublin. The FAI secured a much higher proportion of tickets for Irish fans in Cardiff than the FAW secured for their trip to Dublin. In hindsight, the Irish players and fans never really feared going to Cardiff.

Over the course of 180 minutes, it's hard to remember Wales creating a decent goal scoring opportunity. I think the final pecking order in the group was just about right. Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland. This Wales team certainly has a good future and I fully expect them to qualify for Euro 2020.

When I read this post last night I thought to myself "just let it go". But it continues to bug me. Taken literally the poster has hit the nail on the head in saying "Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland." The simple truth though is that Ireland finishing above Wales owed a tremendous amount to pure luck - in relying on the referees in both games between our countries not doing their job properly, especially in the Dublin match. I would have fancied Wales to beat a 9 man Germany let alone an Irish one.

Not that any of this will matter one jot to the Irish of course. I'm sure that there wasn't a single Scotsman who lost a night's sleep over the Joe Jordan incident either. The result is all that matters at the end of the day, for us as much as them. The Irish have that whether we want them to or not, what they don't get to have is any sense of superiority - not if I have anything to do with it anyway. I'd much rather let it all go than be bitter, but right now I'd prefer to "rage rage against the dying of the World Cup dream" - if I remember the line correctly.

[oscardelta]

Nov 1, 2017 14:50:50 GMT alarch said:

Oct 31, 2017 23:20:02 GMT johnswift83 said:

Looking back on the two games between Wales and Ireland, I think the psychological battle was won by Ireland before the first game in Dublin. The FAI secured a much higher proportion of tickets for Irish fans in Cardiff than the FAW secured for their trip to Dublin. In hindsight, the Irish players and fans never really feared going to Cardiff.

Over the course of 180 minutes, it's hard to remember Wales creating a decent goal scoring opportunity. I think the final pecking order in the group was just about right. Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland. This Wales team certainly has a good future and I fully expect them to qualify for Euro 2020.

When I read this post last night I thought to myself "just let it go". But it continues to bug me. Taken literally the poster has hit the nail on the head in saying "Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland." The simple truth though is that Ireland finishing above Wales owed a tremendous amount to pure luck - in relying on the referees in both games between our countries not doing their job properly, especially in the Dublin match. I would have fancied Wales to beat a 9 man Germany let alone an Irish one.

Not that any of this will matter one jot to the Irish of course. I'm sure that there wasn't a single Scotsman who lost a night's sleep over the Joe Jordan incident either. The result is all that matters at the end of the day, for us as much as them. The Irish have that whether we want them to or not, what they don't get to have is any sense of superiority - not if I have anything to do with it anyway. I'd much rather let it all go than be bitter, but right now I'd prefer to "rage rage against the dying of the World Cup dream" - if I remember the line correctly.

Luck has always something to do with it................... lets not kid ourselves.

Serbia v ROI, Serbs get penalty which wasn't.......

ROI v Austria, Ireland get disallowed goal where looking at body language of players they had no issue aside from a feeble claim in hope more than reality and ref allows it. Austrian players in interviews afterwards had no issue with goal but grateful for ref.

ROI v Wales, Bale on O'Shea, on another day, different ref or even same ref he gets a red and Taylor later tackle doesn't happen because game has changed, also on another day we get a red early on.

We got decisions for us and against us and nope it never evens out depending on which side you are from.

As for sense of superiority............ are you having a laugh.

We finished above you which just meant we get the chance for 2 more games, nothing more, no sense of superiority, no rubbing peoples noses in it, NO NOTHING.

Win or lose I will come back here post playoff.

Our record in playoffs is 3 out of 8................ ok better than England in Penalty shootouts

But we all turn up in hope that every player plays like Lionel Messi or Christian Ronaldo and end up exasperated when we get Christian Messi and Lionel Ronaldo who don't play football like their namesakes.

[fiveattheback]

Nov 1, 2017 15:11:34 GMT oscardelta said:

Nov 1, 2017 14:50:50 GMT alarch said:

When I read this post last night I thought to myself "just let it go". But it continues to bug me. Taken literally the poster has hit the nail on the head in saying "Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland." The simple truth though is that Ireland finishing above Wales owed a tremendous amount to pure luck - in relying on the referees in both games between our countries not doing their job properly, especially in the Dublin match. I would have fancied Wales to beat a 9 man Germany let alone an Irish one.

Not that any of this will matter one jot to the Irish of course. I'm sure that there wasn't a single Scotsman who lost a night's sleep over the Joe Jordan incident either. The result is all that matters at the end of the day, for us as much as them. The Irish have that whether we want them to or not, what they don't get to have is any sense of superiority - not if I have anything to do with it anyway. I'd much rather let it all go than be bitter, but right now I'd prefer to "rage rage against the dying of the World Cup dream" - if I remember the line correctly.

Luck has always something to do with it................... lets not kid ourselves.

Serbia v ROI, Serbs get penalty which wasn't.......

ROI v Austria, Ireland get disallowed goal where looking at body language of players they had no issue aside from a feeble claim in hope more than reality and ref allows it. Austrian players in interviews afterwards had no issue with goal but grateful for ref.

ROI v Wales, Bale on O'Shea, on another day, different ref or even same ref he gets a red and Taylor later tackle doesn't happen because game has changed, also on another day we get a red early on.

We got decisions for us and against us and nope it never evens out depending on which side you are from.

As for sense of superiority............ are you having a laugh.

We finished above you which just meant we get the chance for 2 more games, nothing more, no sense of superiority, no rubbing peoples noses in it, NO NOTHING.

Win or lose I will come back here post playoff.

Our record in playoffs is 3 out of 8................ ok better than England in Penalty shootouts

But we all turn up in hope that every player plays like Lionel Messi or Christian Ronaldo and end up exasperated when we get Christian Messi and Lionel Ronaldo who don't play football like their namesakes.

On a different day O'Shea doesn't clear the ball and Bale makes it 1-0...

In fairness, you haven't and have been a good poster on this board, but some Irish fans have come on here to gloat a bit

[alarch]

I don't know how much more explicitly superior a statement like this can be: "Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland."

Incidentally, I think Ireland have a very good chance of making it through the play-offs. Ericksen will be well-advised to wear a scrum cap mind...

[cymro]

Oct 31, 2017 23:20:02 GMT johnswift83 said:

Looking back on the two games between Wales and Ireland, I think the psychological battle was won by Ireland before the first game in Dublin. The FAI secured a much higher proportion of tickets for Irish fans in Cardiff than the FAW secured for their trip to Dublin. In hindsight, the Irish players and fans never really feared going to Cardiff.

Over the course of 180 minutes, it's hard to remember Wales creating a decent goal scoring opportunity. I think the final pecking order in the group was just about right. Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland. This Wales team certainly has a good future and I fully expect them to qualify for Euro 2020.

I don't think they feared Cardiff as soon as Bale was out. That was the key mental obstacle for them, how do we go for a win whilst trying to contain him? As soon as that dilemma was out the window, their confidence skyrocketed.

[irish]

Nov 1, 2017 15:41:31 GMT cymro said:

Oct 31, 2017 23:20:02 GMT johnswift83 said:

Looking back on the two games between Wales and Ireland, I think the psychological battle was won by Ireland before the first game in Dublin. The FAI secured a much higher proportion of tickets for Irish fans in Cardiff than the FAW secured for their trip to Dublin. In hindsight, the Irish players and fans never really feared going to Cardiff.

Over the course of 180 minutes, it's hard to remember Wales creating a decent goal scoring opportunity. I think the final pecking order in the group was just about right. Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland. This Wales team certainly has a good future and I fully expect them to qualify for Euro 2020.

I don't think they feared Cardiff as soon as Bale was out. That was the key mental obstacle for them, how do we go for a win whilst trying to contain him? As soon as that dilemma was out the window, their confidence skyrocketed.

Agree. I couldn't believe some Welsh fans on here were downplaying Bale's omission as his form wasn't great in this qualifying campaign.  It was a unbelievable boost for us to have a threat from set pieces and open play like that out. I fancied us not to lose even with Bale but didn't think we could win until he was confirmed out. 

[irish]

Nov 1, 2017 15:25:25 GMT alarch said:

I don't know how much more explicitly superior a statement like this can be: "Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland."

Incidentally, I think Ireland have a very good chance of making it through the play-offs. Ericksen will be well-advised to wear a scrum cap mind...

Had a chuckle at that. 

[irish]

Regarding Serbia, whatever about us having luck against you, they had a huge amount of that against us (one stonewall penalty denied to us in home game and disgraceful penalty given against us away) and yourselves. Wales certainly deserved to win the home game against them and I was very surprised of how Wales played in Belgrade in the heat without Bale. I feared for Wales in that game (as we were hoping you'd both draw) and couldn't see anything more than a Serbia win. Wales should've taken 4 points of Serbia.

[pendragon]

Oct 31, 2017 23:20:02 GMT johnswift83 said:

Looking back on the two games between Wales and Ireland, I think the psychological battle was won by Ireland before the first game in Dublin. The FAI secured a much higher proportion of tickets for Irish fans in Cardiff than the FAW secured for their trip to Dublin. In hindsight, the Irish players and fans never really feared going to Cardiff.

Over the course of 180 minutes, it's hard to remember Wales creating a decent goal scoring opportunity. I think the final pecking order in the group was just about right. Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland. This Wales team certainly has a good future and I fully expect them to qualify for Euro 2020.

Yes - Ireland DID win the psychological battle. Can't disagree with that.

Before Allen's departure from the field, Wales had almost 90% possession. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that had that not come to pass, a goal might eventually have ensued. Allen was critical to Wales' midfield. And if you and I agree that Taylor and Allen's red and yellows were justified in Dublin, anyone would be an idiot to then claim Meyler shouldn't have been punished for sandwiching Allen or for blasting 100mph at Hennessey.

I don't agree about the "final pecking order" sorry. Ireland never particularly impressed me during the campaign (much as our own team didn't during the same period, compared to their previous stints at the Euros).

In the sense that ROI can win games playing roughshod when required, then yes, they can do the business. Even Germany and Italy can testify to that.
But it's another thing to say that they were one of the tactically strongest teams in the group. If they were, they wouldn't be deploying roughshod tactics, simple as that.

It's rather annoying to still be harping on about this now tbh.
We'll see how the play-offs go and how many will be coming back on here afterwards. And NO, I am not referring to all Irish posters on here - just those being arrogant, disrespectful and failing to contribute in any meaningful way.

Can the mods look at removing those who are hindering constructive discussions on this issue please?

I think most would agree that it's time to move on!

[erasedcitizen]

Nov 1, 2017 20:40:14 GMT pendragon said:

Oct 31, 2017 23:20:02 GMT johnswift83 said:

Looking back on the two games between Wales and Ireland, I think the psychological battle was won by Ireland before the first game in Dublin. The FAI secured a much higher proportion of tickets for Irish fans in Cardiff than the FAW secured for their trip to Dublin. In hindsight, the Irish players and fans never really feared going to Cardiff.

Over the course of 180 minutes, it's hard to remember Wales creating a decent goal scoring opportunity. I think the final pecking order in the group was just about right. Serbia undoubtedly the strongest team, followed by Ireland. This Wales team certainly has a good future and I fully expect them to qualify for Euro 2020.

Yes - Ireland DID win the psychological battle. Can't disagree with that.

Before Allen's departure from the field, Wales had almost 90% possession. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that had that not come to pass, a goal might eventually have ensued. Allen was critical to Wales' midfield. And if you and I agree that Taylor and Allen's red and yellows were justified in Dublin, anyone would be an idiot to then claim Meyler shouldn't have been punished for sandwiching Allen or for blasting 100mph at Hennessey.

I don't agree about the "final pecking order" sorry. Ireland never particularly impressed me during the campaign (much as our own team didn't during the same period, compared to their previous stints at the Euros).

In the sense that ROI can win games playing roughshod when required, then yes, they can do the business. Even Germany and Italy can testify to that.
But it's another thing to say that they were one of the tactically strongest teams in the group. If they were, they wouldn't be deploying roughshod tactics, simple as that.

It's rather annoying to still be harping on about this now tbh.
We'll see how the play-offs go and how many will be coming back on here afterwards. And NO, I am not referring to all Irish posters on here - just those being arrogant, disrespectful and failing to contribute in any meaningful way.

Can the mods look at removing those who are hindering constructive discussions on this issue please?

I think most would agree that it's time to move on!

The posts remain for the time being but a couple of members have been banned as they didn't offer anything constructive to the forum, one just came here to gloat and left without a whimper.

This isn't an Irish forum, those who want to talk about their play off game and how good it was to beat us can do so over at the you boys in green forum. This is a forum for Welsh forum so if you want to talk about the match, at least make it constructive or face a ban.

[quetzal]

I saw nothing wrong with the challenge. I remember thinking when the Welsh medical staff started doing the rolling motion with their hands ‘we’re fucked’. If it was the other way around we wouldn’t give a toss!

The most embarrassing aspect is the Welsh fans having sour grapes over it. But at least the Welsh fans moaning about the tackle are in few numbers. Remember the Republic Of Ireland when Thierry Henry handed the ball. As a nation, from the Cleaning lady to Politician they cried and moaned and pleaded for a replay. It was one of the most pathetic things i’d ever witnessed. Thank God Roy Keane came out and told the Irish just shut up and get on with it.

[oscardelta]

Nov 3, 2017 8:35:04 GMT quetzal said:

I saw nothing wrong with the challenge. I remember thinking when the Welsh medical staff started doing the rolling motion with their hands ‘we’re fucked’. If it was the other way around we wouldn’t give a toss!

The most embarrassing aspect is the Welsh fans having sour grapes over it. But at least the Welsh fans moaning about the tackle are in few numbers. Remember the Republic Of Ireland when Thierry Henry handed the ball. As a nation, from the Cleaning lady to Politician they cried and moaned and pleaded for a replay. It was one of the most pathetic things i’d ever witnessed. Thank God Roy Keane came out and told the Irish just shut up and get on with it.

Good job England have not spent 30 years talking about The Hand of God in Mexico........................... oh wait.

A tackle can go either way as either party could be the one that ends up going off, blatant cheating and then justifying it afterwards is the issue.

Did anybody set out to hurt Allen, answer is no, same as Taylors tackle in Aviva, badly timed, reckless but not deliberate.

I was in Paris in 2009, got a text from best mate about the handball but it was NEVER shown in stadium, post game we legged it to hotel beside McDonalds and jumped in car back to London, we had played ET and we had crossing to catch.
Stopped at services outside of Paris and yup loads of French fans, remember at this point in time I had not seen incident again.
Shocked by number of French fans who came up to shake our hands, apologise and openly say we had been cheated................ knew then incident was going to be big.
They happy going to WC but not happy how they got there.
Yeah it was with glee how they imploded and think the incident got to the team.

FAI screwed €5 million from FIFA for Blatter comments on a private meeting, it went to help pay for the Aviva.
Given Blatter screwed everybody else I am happy we did it to him.

Did I think we would have got a replay ? Nope.
Should we have ? Nope because ref blows whistle and game is over.
FIFA banning Henry for 3 games so he couldn't participate would have been nice but that is all.

We will always go over what might have been...................... like every fan.................. IF ONLY X had done Y.

But in all honesty we should have put tie to bed before then and not convinced we had the team that could have got out of group stages in SA.

Doesn't mean we don't remember especially when we see Smug C**t on the TV.
French TV didn't use him because as one French friend said,
"He cheated and people uncomfortble with that, even his own teammates."

[cymruramdcfc]

Nov 3, 2017 10:45:31 GMT oscardelta said:

Nov 3, 2017 8:35:04 GMT quetzal said:

I saw nothing wrong with the challenge. I remember thinking when the Welsh medical staff started doing the rolling motion with their hands ‘we’re fucked’. If it was the other way around we wouldn’t give a toss!

The most embarrassing aspect is the Welsh fans having sour grapes over it. But at least the Welsh fans moaning about the tackle are in few numbers. Remember the Republic Of Ireland when Thierry Henry handed the ball. As a nation, from the Cleaning lady to Politician they cried and moaned and pleaded for a replay. It was one of the most pathetic things i’d ever witnessed. Thank God Roy Keane came out and told the Irish just shut up and get on with it.

Good job England have not spent 30 years talking about The Hand of God in Mexico........................... oh wait.

A tackle can go either way as either party could be the one that ends up going off, blatant cheating and then justifying it afterwards is the issue.

Did anybody set out to hurt Allen, answer is no, same as Taylors tackle in Aviva, badly timed, reckless but not deliberate.

I was in Paris in 2009, got a text from best mate about the handball but it was NEVER shown in stadium, post game we legged it to hotel beside McDonalds and jumped in car back to London, we had played ET and we had crossing to catch.
Stopped at services outside of Paris and yup loads of French fans, remember at this point in time I had not seen incident again.
Shocked by number of French fans who came up to shake our hands, apologise and openly say we had been cheated................ knew then incident was going to be big.
They happy going to WC but not happy how they got there.
Yeah it was with glee how they imploded and think the incident got to the team.

FAI screwed €5 million from FIFA for Blatter comments on a private meeting, it went to help pay for the Aviva.
Given Blatter screwed everybody else I am happy we did it to him.

Did I think we would have got a replay ? Nope.
Should we have ? Nope because ref blows whistle and game is over.
FIFA banning Henry for 3 games so he couldn't participate would have been nice but that is all.

We will always go over what might have been...................... like every fan.................. IF ONLY X had done Y.

But in all honesty we should have put tie to bed before then and not convinced we had the team that could have got out of group stages in SA.

Doesn't mean we don't remember especially when we see Smug C**t on the TV.
French TV didn't use him because as one French friend said,
"He cheated and people uncomfortble with that, even his own teammates."

good honest reply 

[derynglas]

We still talk about Joe Jordan 1977 to be fair.
International football is like that.You never forget.

[dai]

Nov 3, 2017 10:45:31 GMT oscardelta said:

Nov 3, 2017 8:35:04 GMT quetzal said:

I saw nothing wrong with the challenge. I remember thinking when the Welsh medical staff started doing the rolling motion with their hands ‘we’re fucked’. If it was the other way around we wouldn’t give a toss!

The most embarrassing aspect is the Welsh fans having sour grapes over it. But at least the Welsh fans moaning about the tackle are in few numbers. Remember the Republic Of Ireland when Thierry Henry handed the ball. As a nation, from the Cleaning lady to Politician they cried and moaned and pleaded for a replay. It was one of the most pathetic things i’d ever witnessed. Thank God Roy Keane came out and told the Irish just shut up and get on with it.

Good job England have not spent 30 years talking about The Hand of God in Mexico........................... oh wait.

A tackle can go either way as either party could be the one that ends up going off, blatant cheating and then justifying it afterwards is the issue.

Did anybody set out to hurt Allen, answer is no, same as Taylors tackle in Aviva, badly timed, reckless but not deliberate.

I was in Paris in 2009, got a text from best mate about the handball but it was NEVER shown in stadium, post game we legged it to hotel beside McDonalds and jumped in car back to London, we had played ET and we had crossing to catch.
Stopped at services outside of Paris and yup loads of French fans, remember at this point in time I had not seen incident again.
Shocked by number of French fans who came up to shake our hands, apologise and openly say we had been cheated................ knew then incident was going to be big.
They happy going to WC but not happy how they got there.
Yeah it was with glee how they imploded and think the incident got to the team.

FAI screwed €5 million from FIFA for Blatter comments on a private meeting, it went to help pay for the Aviva.
Given Blatter screwed everybody else I am happy we did it to him.

Did I think we would have got a replay ? Nope.
Should we have ? Nope because ref blows whistle and game is over.
FIFA banning Henry for 3 games so he couldn't participate would have been nice but that is all.

We will always go over what might have been...................... like every fan.................. IF ONLY X had done Y.

But in all honesty we should have put tie to bed before then and not convinced we had the team that could have got out of group stages in SA.

Doesn't mean we don't remember especially when we see Smug C**t on the TV.
French TV didn't use him because as one French friend said,
"He cheated and people uncomfortble with that, even his own teammates."

You're a reasonable and good poster on here, so I'm not going to get into an argument over this again. 

But I'm not having anymore Irish fans saying on here that the Allen tackle was an accident. It was most definitely not an accident.

[larslagerback]

Nov 3, 2017 12:35:13 GMT dai said:

Nov 3, 2017 10:45:31 GMT oscardelta said:

Good job England have not spent 30 years talking about The Hand of God in Mexico........................... oh wait.

A tackle can go either way as either party could be the one that ends up going off, blatant cheating and then justifying it afterwards is the issue.

Did anybody set out to hurt Allen, answer is no, same as Taylors tackle in Aviva, badly timed, reckless but not deliberate.

I was in Paris in 2009, got a text from best mate about the handball but it was NEVER shown in stadium, post game we legged it to hotel beside McDonalds and jumped in car back to London, we had played ET and we had crossing to catch.
Stopped at services outside of Paris and yup loads of French fans, remember at this point in time I had not seen incident again.
Shocked by number of French fans who came up to shake our hands, apologise and openly say we had been cheated................ knew then incident was going to be big.
They happy going to WC but not happy how they got there.
Yeah it was with glee how they imploded and think the incident got to the team.

FAI screwed €5 million from FIFA for Blatter comments on a private meeting, it went to help pay for the Aviva.
Given Blatter screwed everybody else I am happy we did it to him.

Did I think we would have got a replay ? Nope.
Should we have ? Nope because ref blows whistle and game is over.
FIFA banning Henry for 3 games so he couldn't participate would have been nice but that is all.

We will always go over what might have been...................... like every fan.................. IF ONLY X had done Y.

But in all honesty we should have put tie to bed before then and not convinced we had the team that could have got out of group stages in SA.

Doesn't mean we don't remember especially when we see Smug C**t on the TV.
French TV didn't use him because as one French friend said,
"He cheated and people uncomfortble with that, even his own teammates."

You're a reasonable and good poster on here, so I'm not going to get into an argument over this again. 

But I'm not having anymore Irish fans saying on here that the Allen tackle was an accident. It was most definitely not an accident.

Prove it beyond doubt. Both of you.

Or let this embarrassment of a thread die a natural death.

[richierich333]

Nov 1, 2017 19:22:08 GMT irish said:

Nov 1, 2017 15:41:31 GMT cymro said:

I don't think they feared Cardiff as soon as Bale was out. That was the key mental obstacle for them, how do we go for a win whilst trying to contain him? As soon as that dilemma was out the window, their confidence skyrocketed.

Agree. I couldn't believe some Welsh fans on here were downplaying Bale's omission as his form wasn't great in this qualifying campaign.  It was a unbelievable boost for us to have a threat from set pieces and open play like that out. I fancied us not to lose even with Bale but didn't think we could win until he was confirmed out. 

Of course we were going to do that.  What did you honestly think we were all going to say to feel positive?  The alternative was to not bother playing the match at all and admit defeat before a ball had been kicked.

[irish]

Nov 3, 2017 13:41:10 GMT richierich333 said:

Nov 1, 2017 19:22:08 GMT irish said:

Agree. I couldn't believe some Welsh fans on here were downplaying Bale's omission as his form wasn't great in this qualifying campaign.  It was a unbelievable boost for us to have a threat from set pieces and open play like that out. I fancied us not to lose even with Bale but didn't think we could win until he was confirmed out. 

Of course we were going to do that.  What did you honestly think we were all going to say to feel positive?  The alternative was to not bother playing the match at all and admit defeat before a ball had been kicked.

I thought it was ridiculous for any Welsh poster to think other than Bale being out as a huge loss irrespective of form. You don't necessarily neeed have to admit defeat. 

Anyway you seem to have a hard-on for me on here or it's wrong time of the month mo chara

 

[1gwaunview]

There'll be cobwebs on this subject soon. Change the record it's just boring now. Move on, there's a couple of important games for ROI to lose coming up.

[irish]

Nov 5, 2017 19:42:07 GMT 1gwaunview said:

There'll be cobwebs on this subject soon. Change the record it's just boring now. Move on, there's a couple of important games for ROI to lose coming up.

Bitter much? 


What do you mean change the record?! I'm responding to a post regarding Bale as a loss to Wales in the Cardiff game and you'd probably agree with my point if it wasn't an Ireland fan making it. 

It's 50/50 between us and the Danes but you as a Welsh supporter (above all people should know)  never to write off an Irish team that doesn't know when it's beaten

[richierich333]

Nov 5, 2017 17:15:22 GMT irish said:

Nov 3, 2017 13:41:10 GMT richierich333 said:

Of course we were going to do that.  What did you honestly think we were all going to say to feel positive?  The alternative was to not bother playing the match at all and admit defeat before a ball had been kicked.

I thought it was ridiculous for any Welsh poster to think other than Bale being out as a huge loss irrespective of form. You don't necessarily neeed have to admit defeat. 

Anyway you seem to have a hard-on for me on here or it's wrong time of the month mo chara

 

I'm sure if I went on YBIG and started calling Irish posts on an Irish forum 'ridiculous' I'd get gangbanged. 

[cymro]

Nov 3, 2017 10:45:31 GMT oscardelta said:

Nov 3, 2017 8:35:04 GMT quetzal said:

I saw nothing wrong with the challenge. I remember thinking when the Welsh medical staff started doing the rolling motion with their hands ‘we’re fucked’. If it was the other way around we wouldn’t give a toss!

The most embarrassing aspect is the Welsh fans having sour grapes over it. But at least the Welsh fans moaning about the tackle are in few numbers. Remember the Republic Of Ireland when Thierry Henry handed the ball. As a nation, from the Cleaning lady to Politician they cried and moaned and pleaded for a replay. It was one of the most pathetic things i’d ever witnessed. Thank God Roy Keane came out and told the Irish just shut up and get on with it.

Good job England have not spent 30 years talking about The Hand of God in Mexico........................... oh wait.

A tackle can go either way as either party could be the one that ends up going off, blatant cheating and then justifying it afterwards is the issue.

Did anybody set out to hurt Allen, answer is no, same as Taylors tackle in Aviva, badly timed, reckless but not deliberate.

I was in Paris in 2009, got a text from best mate about the handball but it was NEVER shown in stadium, post game we legged it to hotel beside McDonalds and jumped in car back to London, we had played ET and we had crossing to catch.
Stopped at services outside of Paris and yup loads of French fans, remember at this point in time I had not seen incident again.
Shocked by number of French fans who came up to shake our hands, apologise and openly say we had been cheated................ knew then incident was going to be big.
They happy going to WC but not happy how they got there.
Yeah it was with glee how they imploded and think the incident got to the team.

FAI screwed €5 million from FIFA for Blatter comments on a private meeting, it went to help pay for the Aviva.
Given Blatter screwed everybody else I am happy we did it to him.

Did I think we would have got a replay ? Nope.
Should we have ? Nope because ref blows whistle and game is over.
FIFA banning Henry for 3 games so he couldn't participate would have been nice but that is all.

We will always go over what might have been...................... like every fan.................. IF ONLY X had done Y.

But in all honesty we should have put tie to bed before then and not convinced we had the team that could have got out of group stages in SA.

Doesn't mean we don't remember especially when we see Smug C**t on the TV.
French TV didn't use him because as one French friend said,
"He cheated and people uncomfortble with that, even his own teammates."

I don't get the hate for Henry over that. Not his fault the entire officiating team missed it. Until there's video challenges available for all questionable calls then it will always be a part of the game.

[dai]

Nov 6, 2017 9:23:38 GMT cymro said:

Nov 3, 2017 10:45:31 GMT oscardelta said:

Good job England have not spent 30 years talking about The Hand of God in Mexico........................... oh wait.

A tackle can go either way as either party could be the one that ends up going off, blatant cheating and then justifying it afterwards is the issue.

Did anybody set out to hurt Allen, answer is no, same as Taylors tackle in Aviva, badly timed, reckless but not deliberate.

I was in Paris in 2009, got a text from best mate about the handball but it was NEVER shown in stadium, post game we legged it to hotel beside McDonalds and jumped in car back to London, we had played ET and we had crossing to catch.
Stopped at services outside of Paris and yup loads of French fans, remember at this point in time I had not seen incident again.
Shocked by number of French fans who came up to shake our hands, apologise and openly say we had been cheated................ knew then incident was going to be big.
They happy going to WC but not happy how they got there.
Yeah it was with glee how they imploded and think the incident got to the team.

FAI screwed €5 million from FIFA for Blatter comments on a private meeting, it went to help pay for the Aviva.
Given Blatter screwed everybody else I am happy we did it to him.

Did I think we would have got a replay ? Nope.
Should we have ? Nope because ref blows whistle and game is over.
FIFA banning Henry for 3 games so he couldn't participate would have been nice but that is all.

We will always go over what might have been...................... like every fan.................. IF ONLY X had done Y.

But in all honesty we should have put tie to bed before then and not convinced we had the team that could have got out of group stages in SA.

Doesn't mean we don't remember especially when we see Smug C**t on the TV.
French TV didn't use him because as one French friend said,
"He cheated and people uncomfortble with that, even his own teammates."

I don't get the hate for Henry over that. Not his fault the entire officiating team missed it. Until there's video challenges available for all questionable calls then it will always be a part of the game.

To be honest, it wasn't even intentional.

[phillywelsh83]

Nov 6, 2017 10:24:27 GMT dai said:

Nov 6, 2017 9:23:38 GMT cymro said:

I don't get the hate for Henry over that. Not his fault the entire officiating team missed it. Until there's video challenges available for all questionable calls then it will always be a part of the game.

To be honest, it wasn't even intentional.

Oh it was! He knocked the ball intentionally. 

[oscardelta]

Nov 6, 2017 9:23:38 GMT cymro said:

I don't get the hate for Henry over that. Not his fault the entire officiating team missed it. Until there's video challenges available for all questionable calls then it will always be a part of the game.

It was his smugness in the weeks after that undid him. No attempt to apolgise or indicate spur of the moment thing just blaming referee and everybody else.

Post WC2010 no French media would use him as they viewed him as toxic, quite a few still do. Hence why he in on BBC.

Even their own senior ex players like Lizarazu were quite open in the criticism and kept nothing back.
One said in 1998 we were Champions of the world in this stadium, 11 years later we disgrace that by our own actions.

articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/20/sports/la-sp-world-cup-henry20-2009nov20

Know some French football fans who viewed their implosion in South Africa as karma.

[irish]

Nov 6, 2017 7:34:30 GMT richierich333 said:

Nov 5, 2017 17:15:22 GMT irish said:

I thought it was ridiculous for any Welsh poster to think other than Bale being out as a huge loss irrespective of form. You don't necessarily neeed have to admit defeat. 

Anyway you seem to have a hard-on for me on here or it's wrong time of the month mo chara

 

I'm sure if I went on YBIG and started calling Irish posts on an Irish forum 'ridiculous' I'd get gangbanged. 

What?!

If there were some Irish posters downplaying Coleman or Walters as a loss to us, and you as a Welsh poster pulled them up on it, 99.9% of the forum would be in agreement with you. 

Have I less of a right to point out a daft post that minimizes the exclusion of your most important player as a threat in a vital world cup qualifier?

[welshiron]

We are getting over it but you seem to revel in reminding everyon on here.

You did use thuggish tactics and got away with it, from the start of the game Joe Allen was targeted so congratulations your tactics worked. Taylor's was a very poor challenge, Bale was trying to score and was just a bit too late.

I just wish we had met fire with fire and not to worry about bookings as we appeared to be.

Personally hope Denmark qualify as I would rather see Eriksson at a world cup rather than Maclean (not biterness just my view)

Now, you've had your say so do us a favour and FO back to your own site you should have plenty to talk about on there