Giggs

[vandenhauwe]

Ian gwyn hughes will have to earn his money big time if giggs is made new manager going to be difficult to convince a fair few of the core support that giggs is the rite man!!If he takes him around wales guarenteed the first question will be "why didn't you turn up for wales more?"

[welwyn]

Nathan Jones at Luton?

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Apr 4, 2017 12:58:05 GMT vandenhauwe said:

Ian gwyn hughes will have to earn his money big time if giggs is made new manager going to be difficult to convince a fair few of the core support that giggs is the rite man!!If he takes him around wales guarenteed the first question will be "why didn't you turn up for wales more?"

To which he probably would like to answer but wouldn't.....Mike smith/bobby Gould.

[vandenhauwe]

True!

[erasedcitizen]

Apr 4, 2017 18:07:00 GMT welwyn said:

Nathan Jones at Luton?

Again, another who'd be well out of his depth. We either need a figurehead type who'd inspire players to turn up (wouldn't that be ironic in the case of Giggs?) or a foreigner as there's no Welshman available who I think is capable of taking the job who wouldn't cost too much.

[zenith]

Apr 4, 2017 19:45:09 GMT erasedcitizen said:

Apr 4, 2017 18:07:00 GMT welwyn said:

Nathan Jones at Luton?

Again, another who'd be well out of his depth. We either need a figurehead type who'd inspire players to turn up (wouldn't that be ironic in the case of Giggs?) or a foreigner as there's no Welshman available who I think is capable of taking the job who wouldn't cost too much.

I don't think Giggs would have his heart 100% in it for Wales. That includes doing all the unglamorous stuff too like visiting the kids in primary schools, grassroots games etc. Can't imagine he would stick around for an hour afterwards for pictures and autographs. 

There isn't a Welsh manager out there at the moment that fully suits the bill, having said that Coleman was at Larissa before he came to us so anything is possible. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Osian and Kit Symons had a joint role as manager or similar. 

[phillywelsh83]

Apr 4, 2017 21:28:38 GMT zenith said:

Apr 4, 2017 19:45:09 GMT erasedcitizen said:

Again, another who'd be well out of his depth. We either need a figurehead type who'd inspire players to turn up (wouldn't that be ironic in the case of Giggs?) or a foreigner as there's no Welshman available who I think is capable of taking the job who wouldn't cost too much.

I don't think Giggs would have his heart 100% in it for Wales. That includes doing all the unglamorous stuff too like visiting the kids in primary schools, grassroots games etc. Can't imagine he would stick around for an hour afterwards for pictures and autographs. 

There isn't a Welsh manager out there at the moment that fully suits the bill, having said that Coleman was at Larissa before he came to us so anything is possible. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Osian and Kit Symons had a joint role as manager or similar. 

Dont know where you guys get these ideas. Giggs used to do all this stuff at United, visit hospitals and schools, do community things, its all PR, hes not daft, he knows what would be expected on him. After dinner speaking no he probably wouldn't do that, but he is a multi-millionaire businessman now, why on earth would he need to. Coleman needs to supplement his income, which is shoddy in football terms. The wages Giggs would get from Wales all in all would be irrelevant, he wouldn't be doing it for the money, he would use Wales as a stepping stone though. The same as Mark Hughes did, what Speed would have done, what Coleman will now be able to. 

Giggs would put 100% in to it as its for his benefit to do so, a successful 2/4 years with Wales would do his managerial career good. If he wasnt to put 100% in to it, he wouldnt take it. 

[ontheroadagain]

But it would stop him being a pundit for England games on ITV.

[phillywelsh83]

Apr 5, 2017 11:19:00 GMT ontheroadagain said:

But it would stop him being a pundit for England games on ITV.

That it would!

[gwernybwch]

Apr 5, 2017 11:19:00 GMT ontheroadagain said:

But it would stop him being a pundit for England games on ITV.

Yes he would have to give being a pundit for his beloved England to take up the Manager's job at Wales. Sorry I meant, he would have to give being a pundit for England to take up the Manager's job at his beloved Wales.

[conwy10]

Apr 4, 2017 9:46:23 GMT zenith said:

Apr 4, 2017 9:25:15 GMT kingstonred said:

I personally would love Giggs in charge, as long as he kept the same backroom staff, Roberts etc.

I think young players coming through would want to play for him.

It's Giggs or Pulis for me, I think this comes round too soon for Robinson, who is a future Wales manager for sure

Pulis?!

He doesn't even play Welsh internationals at his own club!

From what I've heard of Pulis he hates international football as well. Even if it is too soon if it was my decision I'd still gamble on Robinson, good shout from whoever thought of him. Hopefully the experience the other staff have had the last few years can carry us through mixed with fresh ideas.

[richierich333]

Apr 5, 2017 9:08:11 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Apr 4, 2017 21:28:38 GMT zenith said:

I don't think Giggs would have his heart 100% in it for Wales. That includes doing all the unglamorous stuff too like visiting the kids in primary schools, grassroots games etc. Can't imagine he would stick around for an hour afterwards for pictures and autographs. 

There isn't a Welsh manager out there at the moment that fully suits the bill, having said that Coleman was at Larissa before he came to us so anything is possible. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Osian and Kit Symons had a joint role as manager or similar. 

Dont know where you guys get these ideas. Giggs used to do all this stuff at United, visit hospitals and schools, do community things, its all PR, hes not daft, he knows what would be expected on him. After dinner speaking no he probably wouldn't do that, but he is a multi-millionaire businessman now, why on earth would he need to. Coleman needs to supplement his income, which is shoddy in football terms. The wages Giggs would get from Wales all in all would be irrelevant, he wouldn't be doing it for the money, he would use Wales as a stepping stone though. The same as Mark Hughes did, what Speed would have done, what Coleman will now be able to. 

Giggs would put 100% in to it as its for his benefit to do so, a successful 2/4 years with Wales would do his managerial career good. If he wasnt to put 100% in to it, he wouldnt take it. 

The Giggs hate campaign nonsense is getting a bit tiresome for me too...

[welwyn]

My choice would be Kit. My point about Nathan Jones is he certainly isn't afraid to change the system (we've had about 5 this season already), he was a very highly touted coach who as done a lot of work at a high level in assistant capacities as well and is a darn sight more affordable than anyone else mentioned (other than maybe Kit)

[Deleted]

Apr 3, 2017 19:50:54 GMT @baresi said:

Nobody on this site (and I mean nobody) wanted Coleman.

If giggs took over and delivered wins no one would be whinging.

Speak for yourself. I wanted Coleman, if only because I didn't that Dutch twat getting it after how he manouevred himself into the frame.

[Deleted]

Apr 3, 2017 23:30:36 GMT gwernybwch said:

Apr 3, 2017 19:50:54 GMT @baresi said:

Nobody on this site (and I mean nobody) wanted Coleman.

If giggs took over and delivered wins no one would be whinging.

If Giggs took over and delivered wins, it would shortly be followed by United fans talking about "unfinished business" and even if it was the offer of being the trainee assistant manager of the Under 6's he would be off to his beloved United.
I'm afraid that Giggs would see the Wales job as nothing more than a stepping stone to where he considers to be his rightful place, the i.e. Premier League or where he wants to the live i.e. the North-West England.
The only way that I see it working with Giggs as Wales manager is if he is some kind of 'front' for Osian Roberts tactics and methods. Giggs would be the high profile Manager that the media, marketing and arm-chair supporters would love, whilst the rest of the FAW got on with the real football work behind the scenes. 

You are most likely being flippant here, but just to point out that when Mourinho took over Giggs was told he could manage the under 23s, but other than that there would be no place for him on the senior coaching staff like there had been under van Gaal. Giggs rejected this and left.

That is one of the many problems that could be holding him back. As well as not coming across well when he speaks, by all accounts he seems to feel he has a divine right to get a top job by virtue of his name only.

[phillywelsh83]

Apr 6, 2017 9:40:26 GMT @storm said:

Apr 3, 2017 23:30:36 GMT gwernybwch said:

If Giggs took over and delivered wins, it would shortly be followed by United fans talking about "unfinished business" and even if it was the offer of being the trainee assistant manager of the Under 6's he would be off to his beloved United.
I'm afraid that Giggs would see the Wales job as nothing more than a stepping stone to where he considers to be his rightful place, the i.e. Premier League or where he wants to the live i.e. the North-West England.
The only way that I see it working with Giggs as Wales manager is if he is some kind of 'front' for Osian Roberts tactics and methods. Giggs would be the high profile Manager that the media, marketing and arm-chair supporters would love, whilst the rest of the FAW got on with the real football work behind the scenes. 

You are most likely being flippant here, but just to point out that when Mourinho took over Giggs was told he could manage the under 23s, but other than that there would be no place for him on the senior coaching staff like there had been under van Gaal. Giggs rejected this and left.

That is one of the many problems that could be holding him back. As well as not coming across well when he speaks, by all accounts he seems to feel he has a divine right to get a top job by virtue of his name only.

So because the guy doesnt want to manage the U-23 side, which is a hodge-podge of players coming back from injuries and the better u-18/19 players, he thinks he has a divine right to manage a top side? I think he is trying to get the best job he possibly can, many managers throw themselves at the first opportunity (because they need to stay in the game). Giggs has a business portfolio, he doesnt need to manage. So if he did manage Wales, then his heart would 100% be in it, as it would be a choice rather than a necessity.

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Apr 6, 2017 12:20:32 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Apr 6, 2017 9:40:26 GMT @storm said:

You are most likely being flippant here, but just to point out that when Mourinho took over Giggs was told he could manage the under 23s, but other than that there would be no place for him on the senior coaching staff like there had been under van Gaal. Giggs rejected this and left.

That is one of the many problems that could be holding him back. As well as not coming across well when he speaks, by all accounts he seems to feel he has a divine right to get a top job by virtue of his name only.

So because the guy doesnt want to manage the U-23 side, which is a hodge-podge of players coming back from injuries and the better u-18/19 players, he thinks he has a divine right to manage a top side? I think he is trying to get the best job he possibly can, many managers throw themselves at the first opportunity (because they need to stay in the game). Giggs has a business portfolio, he doesnt need to manage. So if he did manage Wales, then his heart would 100% be in it, as it would be a choice rather than a necessity.

The talk doing the rounds on United forums is that he expected to be given the manager's job ahead of Mourinho. Couple this with the candid comments made by Swansea about the candidates for their job and it seems that Giggs might just have an entitlement problem.

Look at the whinging tone of this article:
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39039409

You have to wonder how far down the pyramid Giggs has gone to try and find a start in management, you don't find many foreign managers in league two or the conference but that probably doesn't interest someone with Giggs profile. Anyway, he knows that if the worst comes to the worst the FAW will give him his big break when Coleman goes. He will probably be sat at home watching and hoping we lose against Serbia so he can get his grubby mitts on the hot seat that much quicker.

[Deleted]

Apr 6, 2017 9:32:12 GMT @storm said:

Apr 3, 2017 19:50:54 GMT @baresi said:

Nobody on this site (and I mean nobody) wanted Coleman.

If giggs took over and delivered wins no one would be whinging.

Speak for yourself. I wanted Coleman, if only because I didn't that Dutch twat getting it after how he manouevred himself into the frame.

You didn't vote for him in the poll though did you. He had zero votes.

[Deleted]

Apr 6, 2017 15:41:12 GMT @baresi said:

Apr 6, 2017 9:32:12 GMT @storm said:

Speak for yourself. I wanted Coleman, if only because I didn't that Dutch twat getting it after how he manouevred himself into the frame.

You didn't vote for him in the poll though did you. He had zero votes.

No, I can't seem to set the search filter to go back to when he was appointed but I was able to dig this quote up from 2013 to show that I was behind Coleman when the knives came out:

"^^^ Great post.

Its easy to see it as being an apologist for Coleman, but its true that we have had terrible luck with injuries and individual errors and Coleman has been desperately short of options where he can make changes to positively affect the outcome of games."

Ironically as one of his most prominent supporters from that time (the macedonia home game) I have now got to the point where I am one of his most prominent doubters, despite his success over the summer. He has given us some good times but football is all about results and his timid mindset is great for Euros qualifying but not the cut throat nature of WC qualifying where playing for a draw is rarely rewarded.

[Deleted]

I read as far as 'I can't find the search filter....' and didn't get any further.

[Deleted]

Apr 6, 2017 21:53:04 GMT @baresi said:

I read as far as 'I can't find the search filter....' and didn't get any further.

Ooooh, brutal. All I can say is I used the search options to search for "Coleman" across posts from 2010 to 2014 and the earliest post that is returned is from 2013. Happy to be corrected.

[richierich333]

Apr 6, 2017 21:53:04 GMT @baresi said:

I read as far as 'I can't find the search filter....' and didn't get any further.

[marsvolta]

Apr 6, 2017 8:45:38 GMT richierich333 said:

Apr 5, 2017 9:08:11 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Dont know where you guys get these ideas. Giggs used to do all this stuff at United, visit hospitals and schools, do community things, its all PR, hes not daft, he knows what would be expected on him. After dinner speaking no he probably wouldn't do that, but he is a multi-millionaire businessman now, why on earth would he need to. Coleman needs to supplement his income, which is shoddy in football terms. The wages Giggs would get from Wales all in all would be irrelevant, he wouldn't be doing it for the money, he would use Wales as a stepping stone though. The same as Mark Hughes did, what Speed would have done, what Coleman will now be able to. 

Giggs would put 100% in to it as its for his benefit to do so, a successful 2/4 years with Wales would do his managerial career good. If he wasnt to put 100% in to it, he wouldnt take it. 

The Giggs hate campaign nonsense is getting a bit tiresome for me too...

There is no 'Giggs hate campaign '


Yes, some didn't like the fact that he played for team GB when he wouldn't play for us and many remember the farcical amount of convieniently timed injuries around Wales friendlies, but most comments on here are from people who don't rate his potential as a manager and are simply saying so


Obviously he's untried and inexperienced at managerial level and many don't want him to practice on us


But hate campaign? Nah

[iot]

Apr 7, 2017 11:52:14 GMT marsvolta said:

Apr 6, 2017 8:45:38 GMT richierich333 said:

The Giggs hate campaign nonsense is getting a bit tiresome for me too...

There is no 'Giggs hate campaign '


Yes, some didn't like the fact that he played for team GB when he wouldn't play for us and many remember the farcical amount of convieniently timed injuries around Wales friendlies, but most comments on here are from people who don't rate his potential as a manager and are simply saying so


Obviously he's untried and inexperienced at managerial level and many don't want him to practice on us


But hate campaign? Na

Agreed, I haven't seen any unreasonable, hateful comments. Only understandable questions about merit and his commitment to Wales given the lack of commitment shown during his playing career. Of that, there can be no doubt. He more than less said as much in his autobiography but dressed it up as him struggling to come into the Welsh environment because of the contrast to the winning mentality at Man united. 

[derynglas]

Mark Hughes-Wales was his first job in management.
Gary Speed was an unproven manager when he came to us.
Theres no such thing as a zero risk appointment.Weve
got Osian,the backroom staff,and an identity and a way of
playing.What we need is continuity. Record in turning up for friendlies
not relevant IMO. Giggs an iconic figure and would surely be an inspiration to
any youngsters playing for Wales.

[iot]

Apr 8, 2017 10:17:13 GMT derynglas said:

Mark Hughes-Wales was his first job in management.
Gary Speed was an unproven manager when he came to us.
Theres no such thing as a zero risk appointment.Weve
got Osian,the backroom staff,and an identity and a way of
playing.What we need is continuity. Record in turning up for friendlies
not relevant IMO. Giggs an iconic figure and would surely be an inspiration to
any youngsters playing for Wales.

The point you're missing is that they both joined when we weren't doing well and didn't have much expectation to qualify. It's not a like for like scenario. Also, both Hughes and Speed had exemplary playing careers for us and didn't constantly let us down the same way as Giggs did. All we can ask is that players show commitment and Giggs, as a manager, wouldn't be able to lead from example.

[oberon]

Not sure of the virtues of Giggs as a manager, I would presume that most on here would want a welsh manager and apart from Pulis I don`t think there are many candidates out there. If Giggs got the job and did well then past indiscretions would soon be forgotten but if things were to go pear shaped then those indiscretions would come back to haunt him and be used as a stick to beat him with.

[joseywales37]

Thing is, whether people like Giggs or not, most of our squad grew up with him as their main inspiration, and I suspect there a fair few youngsters who would love to learn off somebody like him now (maybe not the womanising tho lol)

[1gwaunview]

Apr 12, 2017 14:33:20 GMT joseywales37 said:

Thing is, whether people like Giggs or not, most of our squad grew up with him as their main inspiration, and I suspect there a fair few youngsters who would love to learn off somebody like him now (maybe not the womanising tho lol)

They'd have to lock up all the WAGS!!!

[marsvolta]

April the 13th.

This must be the longest April Fools ever!!