Giggs

[vandenhauwe]

Apr 3, 2017 18:03:23 GMT turkpower said:

Giggs was always put under pressure by Fergie not to play in friendlies.

So would've other players been...

[biwmares]

Apr 2, 2017 22:15:23 GMT zenith said:

Apr 2, 2017 21:43:41 GMT biwmares said:

Odds on he will be our next manager I would have thought.

He might be successful if he keeps the same backroom team.

We will have to see?

Please god no.

He would not be my choice but im sure the people in charge like Jonathan Ford would be counting the £'s coming in.

[gwernybwch]

Apr 3, 2017 18:43:18 GMT biwmares said:

Apr 2, 2017 22:15:23 GMT zenith said:

Please god no.

He would not be my choice but im sure the people in charge like Jonathan Ford would be counting the £'s coming in.

I actually think that Jonathan Ford might be one of the reasons why Giggs WOULDN'T be appointed. Historically the Management appointment process has been done by the FAW Councillors. Whilst I'm sure that their hearts were in the right place, at times it has been a complete shambles.
I think that Ford might introduce a bit more professionalism into the search and selection. if that's the case, imagine comparing the answers that Giggs would give in comparison to Osian Roberts to a question such as "outline your footballing philosophy". The rumours doing the rounds after the Swansea vacancy is that Giggs 'doesn't interview well' i.e. he really IS as thick as he sounds when on TV. Despite getting to the Euros, the FAW only made £800k profit this year, so I doubt that we could afford Giggs anyway.

For me the next Welsh manager should Carl Robinson.

[zenith]

Apr 3, 2017 19:39:40 GMT gwernybwch said:

Apr 3, 2017 18:43:18 GMT biwmares said:

He would not be my choice but im sure the people in charge like Jonathan Ford would be counting the £'s coming in.

I actually think that Jonathan Ford might be one of the reasons why Giggs WOULDN'T be appointed. Historically the Management appointment process has been done by the FAW Councillors. Whilst I'm sure that their hearts were in the right place, at times it has been a complete shambles.
I think that Ford might introduce a bit more professionalism into the search and selection. if that's the case, imagine comparing the answers that Giggs would give in comparison to Osian Roberts to a question such as "outline your footballing philosophy". The rumours doing the rounds after the Swansea vacancy is that Giggs 'doesn't interview well' i.e. he really IS as thick as he sounds when on TV. Despite getting to the Euros, the FAW only made £800k profit this year, so I doubt that we could afford Giggs anyway.

For me the next Welsh manager should Carl Robinson.

Carl Robinson for me too at some point but I think it might be too early in his career.

Got a feeling the next one might not be Welsh.

[Deleted]

Nobody on this site (and I mean nobody) wanted Coleman.

If giggs took over and delivered wins no one would be whinging.

[turkpower]

Exactly

[dai]

But seriously, Carl Robinson? Really?

[conwy10]

Apr 3, 2017 12:41:25 GMT richierich333 said:

Apr 3, 2017 12:29:40 GMT conwy10 said:

Being fickle is part of being a football fan though isn't it? Managers are in a results based environment, if they win they're doing a good job but if they lose they aren't. Wales aren't in the position where we have to build 4 years in advance like Toshack and Speed had to so Giggs would be judged like Coleman is now, on a game by game basis.

I personally don't want Giggs as manager for lots of reasons, mainly based on the fact I don't think he will do a good job. If he gets us to another tournament finals though I reserve the right to go back on my opinion and consider him the best thing to ever happen to Welsh football.

Not the Team GB bollocks again I hope, bearing in mind it was years ago and some of our current team were also there.

I completely forgot about the Team GB haha. I was thinking more along the lines of expecting a major club to offer him the managers position and going to the press when they don't, all he's done in coaching is an assistant for one of the worst Man United teams in recent memory. I never felt he truly gave his all for Wales, they couldn't build a team around him when he wasn't there. He's always available to be a pundit for the England matches. There's his well publicised personal life.

Some people will think he played for Wales, was the captain, his personal life is irrelevant etc and I respect that opinion, he might not even be the next manager and if he does I hope he becomes the most successful manager in our history. I just can't personally see it going well.

I want someone who's never let Wales down, who lives and breathes Wales.

[conwy10]

Apr 3, 2017 13:56:01 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Apr 3, 2017 12:41:25 GMT richierich333 said:

Not the Team GB bollocks again I hope, bearing in mind it was years ago and some of our current team were also there.

Exactly, there were other people there other than Giggs, and Bale would likely have played if he didnt have an injury, despite the great "Viva Gareth Bale" chant! Giggs also played at the level Bale is now playing at (i.e. a title winning, European battling) for his entire career, not just the last 4 years. So United came first for him as they were involved in important competitions, Wales unfortunately were not. When Wales did play important games, Giggs was there. I cannot remember the last time Bale played a friendly, outside of euros build up, and also why on earth we should play him in friendlies, hes nailed on to his position as was Giggs. I think people are very unfair on Giggs.

Bale has scored twice as many goals in the same amount of games as Giggs, the teams they played in are quite evenly matched too so I can't see that as much excuse.

How could Wales build a team without their star player. How will they get used to his movement, his strengths, his weaknesses without him there and just slot him in when it's important. Don't get me wrong Giggs is a Welsh legend but he could have done so much more for us which is why it's so frustrating.

[gwernybwch]

Apr 3, 2017 19:50:54 GMT @baresi said:

Nobody on this site (and I mean nobody) wanted Coleman.

If giggs took over and delivered wins no one would be whinging.

If Giggs took over and delivered wins, it would shortly be followed by United fans talking about "unfinished business" and even if it was the offer of being the trainee assistant manager of the Under 6's he would be off to his beloved United.
I'm afraid that Giggs would see the Wales job as nothing more than a stepping stone to where he considers to be his rightful place, the i.e. Premier League or where he wants to the live i.e. the North-West England.
The only way that I see it working with Giggs as Wales manager is if he is some kind of 'front' for Osian Roberts tactics and methods. Giggs would be the high profile Manager that the media, marketing and arm-chair supporters would love, whilst the rest of the FAW got on with the real football work behind the scenes. 

[marsvolta]

April the 4th and we're still on about an April fools joke, ha ha.

Anyway, The difference between Giggs and the others who played for team GB is that the others were still playing for Wales.Giggs had supposedly retired from international football , not 'retired from international football unless it was in a high profile tournament, as a one-off,on my doorstep, don't have to travel too far, don't have to play in a failing Welsh team

[marsvolta]

Apr 3, 2017 19:50:54 GMT @baresi said:

Nobody on this site (and I mean nobody) wanted Coleman.

If giggs took over and delivered wins no one would be whinging.

Of course no one would be whinging if Giggs took over and started winning.Anyone who was so anti-Giggs that they would still complain even if he was winning isn't worth listening too.

The point is that many don't want him because they don't think he will be successful, not because they want him to fail even if he did get the job.

[marsvolta]

Apr 3, 2017 19:50:54 GMT @baresi said:

Nobody on this site (and I mean nobody) wanted Coleman.

If giggs took over and delivered wins no one would be whinging.

If you back through my posts you'll find that,although I wasn't jumping up and down with excitement, I wasn't anti -Coleman at his appointment.

Won't claim that I thought he'd take us to theEuro semis though, ha ha

[marsvolta]

Apr 3, 2017 23:43:59 GMT marsvolta said:

Apr 3, 2017 19:50:54 GMT @baresi said:

Nobody on this site (and I mean nobody) wanted Coleman.

If giggs took over and delivered wins no one would be whinging.

If you back through my posts you'll find that,although I wasn't jumping up and down with excitement, I wasn't anti -Coleman at his appointment.

Won't claim that I thought he'd take us to theEuro semis though, ha ha

Just checked back, I started a thread in October 2010

apostlewelshfootie.proboards.com/thread/471/coleman-love

[gwernybwch]

Apr 3, 2017 21:53:50 GMT dai said:

But seriously, Carl Robinson? Really?

Well as I see it because Wales aren't able to offer top dollar, they are going to attract certain types of Manager -



(1) The unemployed journeyman - yes we get someone with a good pedigree who is currently looking for work, think gerard houllier, Trapatoni at certain times in their life. But your guarantee that they will be off as soon as a half decent offer comes along

(2) The young ambitious manager - either they rapidly find themselves completely out of their depth or they become the next hot property. And before you know it they have been offered their 'dream job' of managing Reading (whilst doubling their wages)

(3) The experienced Manager that fancies having a go at International football - the world isn't full of young Lars Lagerback's I'm afraid. Although there are several Sam Alladyce types that I'm sure fancy giving international football a go.

(4) The experienced Welshman who would be honoured to manage his country. That category contains one name; Tony Pulis


Alternatively we have a young ambitious Manager who has quietly been learning his trade and has gained a reputation for being an intelligent coach. He would show, as he did as a player, huge amounts of commitment to his country.

[richierich333]

I think Carl Robinson's a great shout myself. He pretty much ticks all the boxes:

-Welsh International with 50 odd caps
-Experience of club management before stepping into this role
-Young enough to have modern ideas on the game.
-Down to earth, good guy who would get on well with the players

The only thing that concerns me is the quality of the MLS.

[richierich333]

Apr 3, 2017 22:10:09 GMT conwy10 said:

Apr 3, 2017 12:41:25 GMT richierich333 said:

Not the Team GB bollocks again I hope, bearing in mind it was years ago and some of our current team were also there.

I completely forgot about the Team GB haha. I was thinking more along the lines of expecting a major club to offer him the managers position and going to the press when they don't, all he's done in coaching is an assistant for one of the worst Man United teams in recent memory. I never felt he truly gave his all for Wales, they couldn't build a team around him when he wasn't there. He's always available to be a pundit for the England matches. There's his well publicised personal life.

Some people will think he played for Wales, was the captain, his personal life is irrelevant etc and I respect that opinion, he might not even be the next manager and if he does I hope he becomes the most successful manager in our history. I just can't personally see it going well.

I want someone who's never let Wales down, who lives and breathes Wales.

  Ok if we agree to dismiss Giggs, I am starting to think like some of the others now that there is only Carl Robinson as a viable alternative. I think Carl would do a great job.

[vandenhauwe]

Apr 3, 2017 21:53:50 GMT dai said:

But seriously, Carl Robinson? Really?

Why wouldn't we want a guy who's been learning his trade doing fairly well,who's young ambitious,proved his commitment to wales by travelling back from canada while playing for Toronto to play for wales, as opposed to giggs who has little management experience and has never showed any commitment to wales!

[kingstonred]

I personally would love Giggs in charge, as long as he kept the same backroom staff, Roberts etc.

I think young players coming through would want to play for him.

It's Giggs or Pulis for me, I think this comes round too soon for Robinson, who is a future Wales manager for sure

[zenith]

Apr 4, 2017 9:25:15 GMT kingstonred said:

I personally would love Giggs in charge, as long as he kept the same backroom staff, Roberts etc.

I think young players coming through would want to play for him.

It's Giggs or Pulis for me, I think this comes round too soon for Robinson, who is a future Wales manager for sure

Pulis?!

He doesn't even play Welsh internationals at his own club!

[phillywelsh83]

Apr 3, 2017 15:49:20 GMT vandenhauwe said:

Apr 3, 2017 13:56:01 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Exactly, there were other people there other than Giggs, and Bale would likely have played if he didnt have an injury, despite the great "Viva Gareth Bale" chant! Giggs also played at the level Bale is now playing at (i.e. a title winning, European battling) for his entire career, not just the last 4 years. So United came first for him as they were involved in important competitions, Wales unfortunately were not. When Wales did play important games, Giggs was there. I cannot remember the last time Bale played a friendly, outside of euros build up, and also why on earth we should play him in friendlies, hes nailed on to his position as was Giggs. I think people are very unfair on Giggs.

Bale iceland friendly and many more turned up to the august friendly against eire despite being injured and just after he'd signed for madrid!!

Yes just after. So its when he was still at a top mid table club.

[phillywelsh83]

Apr 3, 2017 19:50:54 GMT @baresi said:

Nobody on this site (and I mean nobody) wanted Coleman.

If giggs took over and delivered wins no one would be whinging.

I wasnt on this site at the time, but i did actually want Coleman, i thought his character would suit international management, dont want to go back to the dull days of Toshack. I couldnt decided between Coleman or Brian Flynn.

[erasedcitizen]

Apr 4, 2017 9:25:15 GMT kingstonred said:

I personally would love Giggs in charge, as long as he kept the same backroom staff, Roberts etc.

I think young players coming through would want to play for him.

It's Giggs or Pulis for me, I think this comes round too soon for Robinson, who is a future Wales manager for sure

Pulis would do a horrendous job here. Nobody would turn up to play under him and nobody would turn up to watch his team play.

I get the feeling that Robinson may be out of his depth on the other hand. Coleman at least had Premier League managerial experience despite his career falling off a cliff before being airlifted by the FAW. Ryan Giggs is a player who's commitment to the cause was rather questionable but would he seriously be considered the worst choice? Has a vast knowledge of the game at the top level, will no doubt be receiving the best training possible and he played under the greatest manager the world has ever seen for over 20 years. He may not be a popular choice but he has to be considered as one of the frontrunners and if we do plump for him (which if he makes himself available I imagine we will), we must stick behind him. The only Welshman I'd really have here over him is Mark Hughes and there's as much chance of hiring Brian Clough than him given his money situation.

[erasedcitizen]

Apr 4, 2017 10:37:12 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Apr 3, 2017 19:50:54 GMT @baresi said:

Nobody on this site (and I mean nobody) wanted Coleman.

If giggs took over and delivered wins no one would be whinging.

I wasnt on this site at the time, but i did actually want Coleman, i thought his character would suit international management, dont want to go back to the dull days of Toshack. I couldnt decided between Coleman or Brian Flynn.

You were the sole one I imagine. He was on a massive downwards spiral at the time.

[phillywelsh83]

Apr 4, 2017 10:53:57 GMT erasedcitizen said:

Apr 4, 2017 10:37:12 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

I wasnt on this site at the time, but i did actually want Coleman, i thought his character would suit international management, dont want to go back to the dull days of Toshack. I couldnt decided between Coleman or Brian Flynn.

You were the sole one I imagine. He was on a massive downwards spiral at the time.

He was, but he had experience (good or bad) in other countries and the premier league. Plus i imagined he would be good at motivating the players. There were no stand out choices, i preferred it being a Welshman and Mark Hughes wasn't going to come back.

[erasedcitizen]

Apr 4, 2017 10:57:15 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Apr 4, 2017 10:53:57 GMT erasedcitizen said:

You were the sole one I imagine. He was on a massive downwards spiral at the time.

He was, but he had experience (good or bad) in other countries and the premier league. Plus i imagined he would be good at motivating the players. There were no stand out choices, i preferred it being a Welshman and Mark Hughes wasn't going to come back.

I guess from that logic you're right, hard to see past Cookie if you want an experienced Welshman (I'm not going to call Pulis a Welshman). Glad the FAW had the same mindset as yourself when choosing the boss.

[gwernybwch]

Apr 4, 2017 10:53:13 GMT erasedcitizen said:

Apr 4, 2017 9:25:15 GMT kingstonred said:

I personally would love Giggs in charge, as long as he kept the same backroom staff, Roberts etc.

I think young players coming through would want to play for him.

It's Giggs or Pulis for me, I think this comes round too soon for Robinson, who is a future Wales manager for sure

Pulis would do a horrendous job here. Nobody would turn up to play under him and nobody would turn up to watch his team play.

I get the feeling that Robinson may be out of his depth on the other hand. Coleman at least had Premier League managerial experience despite his career falling off a cliff before being airlifted by the FAW. Ryan Giggs is a player who's commitment to the cause was rather questionable but would he seriously be considered the worst choice? Has a vast knowledge of the game at the top level, will no doubt be receiving the best training possible and he played under the greatest manager the world has ever seen for over 20 years. He may not be a popular choice but he has to be considered as one of the frontrunners and if we do plump for him (which if he makes himself available I imagine we will), we must stick behind him. The only Welshman I'd really have here over him is Mark Hughes and there's as much chance of hiring Brian Clough than him given his money situation.

Playing at the top level does not mean having top level knowledge. From what I've seen of him on TV, he comes across as having extremely limited knowledge. Similarly having played under the greatest manager over the last 20 years, it doesn't seem that he picked up or was passed on much in the way of that success.

The only way that I think that Giggs would be successful as Wales Manager is that he would be some kind of 'figurehead', whilst the real football work was going on behind the scenes.

[erasedcitizen]

Apr 4, 2017 11:38:25 GMT gwernybwch said:

Apr 4, 2017 10:53:13 GMT erasedcitizen said:

Pulis would do a horrendous job here. Nobody would turn up to play under him and nobody would turn up to watch his team play.

I get the feeling that Robinson may be out of his depth on the other hand. Coleman at least had Premier League managerial experience despite his career falling off a cliff before being airlifted by the FAW. Ryan Giggs is a player who's commitment to the cause was rather questionable but would he seriously be considered the worst choice? Has a vast knowledge of the game at the top level, will no doubt be receiving the best training possible and he played under the greatest manager the world has ever seen for over 20 years. He may not be a popular choice but he has to be considered as one of the frontrunners and if we do plump for him (which if he makes himself available I imagine we will), we must stick behind him. The only Welshman I'd really have here over him is Mark Hughes and there's as much chance of hiring Brian Clough than him given his money situation.

The only way that I think that Giggs would be successful as Wales Manager is that he would be some kind of 'figurehead', whilst the real football work was going on behind the scenes.

With Osian Roberts doing the behind the scenes work? I could see that. Giggs would be a fantastic inspirational figure for those on the training ground, didn't Bale cite Giggs as his hero?

[gwernybwch]

Apr 4, 2017 11:48:18 GMT erasedcitizen said:

Apr 4, 2017 11:38:25 GMT gwernybwch said:

The only way that I think that Giggs would be successful as Wales Manager is that he would be some kind of 'figurehead', whilst the real football work was going on behind the scenes.

With Osian Roberts doing the behind the scenes work? I could see that. Giggs would be a fantastic inspirational figure for those on the training ground, didn't Bale cite Giggs as his hero?

Yeah, Osian Roberts and the team doing the behind the scenes work (I think that kinda what happens at the moment, as I'm not convinced that Coleman came up with a fully working wing-back system). Giggs in himself, would be enough to get the players to turn up. The media would love him as Manager, it would be good for marketing and the arm-chair fans would love him as well.

Oh sh*t, I can't believe that I am putting forward a viable solution for Giggs to be the next Wales manager!

[1gwaunview]

Would Ryan Giggs go around the country visiting clubs, speaking at functions etc..? Previous Welsh managers including Chris Coleman have/do.

He came to Fishguard recently under the FAW Trust scheme to train youngsters. Apparently he couldn't get away quick enough afterwards and ignored many who had come to watch.


This issue re: new manager could come to a head before next season if the Serbia result is a bad one.