Giggs

[jonnylitts]

Giggs interview on potential Wales job: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40636168

[phillywelsh83]

Jul 18, 2017 8:19:08 GMT jonnylitts said:

Giggs interview on potential Wales job: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40636168

Id be happy with him next manager, know alot here would not be.

[jonnylitts]

Jul 18, 2017 13:32:25 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Jul 18, 2017 8:19:08 GMT jonnylitts said:

Giggs interview on potential Wales job: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40636168

Id be happy with him next manager, know alot here would not be.

I'm not adverse to him being next manager.

He certainly knows about phasing in new players and giving kids a chance from his playing career at Man Utd.

Whether he's experienced enough at management is another thing.  Think Hughes was found out in the end for his lack of it.  Saying that, Giggs is alot closer to Fergie than Hughes (in fact their relationship doesn't appear to be that great) so perhaps we'd have Fergie on hand to help out with advice when needed.  And that can't be a bad thing!

[1gwaunview]

It's a No from me!!!

Brilliant player for Manchester United, less so for Wales with well documented doubts on his commitment to the cause.

Loves the England team too much, judging by his recent tv work.  Can't imagine many former Welsh internationals wanting to pundit England matches.

Salary would be a problem too, he's used to big money at Man Utd and to my mind would not be worth more than Chris Coleman is currently getting, he's far less experienced in management. 




  

[georgetm1]

Anyone see his punditry in the Euro's? The most boring bellend on the planet when in reality a manager needs to have character. His punditry about Wales was all wrong and he didn't have a clue about what was actually happening with our national team. Even I knew more than this snore.The thing is that we could probably now get someone really good with loads of experience, instead of taking a chance with someone who has done fuck all with his managerial career. I would rather Bellamy got it over this prick, at least he knew what he was talking about.

[oscardelta]

Jul 18, 2017 15:21:22 GMT 1gwaunview said:

It's a No from me!!!

Brilliant player for Manchester United, less so for Wales with well documented doubts on his commitment to the cause.

  

But was that as much a comment on the fact that Wales didn't qualify for anything or come close to doing so.

A real chicken and egg situation, do you turn up and play in a meaningless friendly. Me I would but if team is going nowhere and there is no belief from management then do you that that while your employer makes it clear they don't wish you to.

He has 8 caps less than Mark Hughes, 9 less than Ian Rush.

[iot]

Jul 18, 2017 19:09:26 GMT oscardelta said:

Jul 18, 2017 15:21:22 GMT 1gwaunview said:

It's a No from me!!!

Brilliant player for Manchester United, less so for Wales with well documented doubts on his commitment to the cause.

  

But was that as much a comment on the fact that Wales didn't qualify for anything or come close to doing so.

A real chicken and egg situation, do you turn up and play in a meaningless friendly. Me I would but if team is going nowhere and there is no belief from management then do you that that while your employer makes it clear they don't wish you to.

He has 8 caps less than Mark Hughes, 9 less than Ian Rush.

International friendlies are not 'meaningless' - they're important to create good chemistry and camaraderie within the squad as much as anything. When you have your best player not bothering turning up for them and showing a complete lack of signal, the lesser players take a lead from that. Bale is the complete opposite and he's twice the player. It's no coincidence that we would typically have half a dozen to a dozen pull-outs each squad during the Giggs era, whereas now it's usually only around two or three. 

[oscardelta]

Jul 18, 2017 19:16:52 GMT iot said:

Jul 18, 2017 19:09:26 GMT oscardelta said:

But was that as much a comment on the fact that Wales didn't qualify for anything or come close to doing so.

A real chicken and egg situation, do you turn up and play in a meaningless friendly. Me I would but if team is going nowhere and there is no belief from management then do you that that while your employer makes it clear they don't wish you to.

He has 8 caps less than Mark Hughes, 9 less than Ian Rush.

International friendlies are not 'meaningless' - they're important to create good chemistry and camaraderie within the squad as much as anything. When you have your best player not bothering turning up for them and showing a complete lack of signal, the lesser players take a lead from that. Bale is the complete opposite and he's twice the player. It's no coincidence that we would typically have half a dozen to a dozen pull-outs each squad during the Giggs era, whereas now it's usually only around two or three. 

That can't be the case as Wales don't play any Friendlies.

[derynglas]

Off course we did come very close twice in the Giggs era,the 1994 world cup
and in the play-off for Euro 2004.History might have judjed his Wales career very
differently.
That said his performances for Wales rarely came close to what Bale (and Rambo) produce
nearly every game. Dosnt mean he wouldnt make o good manager though.

[ontheroadagain]

If he became Wales manager would he only turn up for competitive games.

[iot]

Jul 18, 2017 20:56:15 GMT oscardelta said:

Jul 18, 2017 19:16:52 GMT iot said:

International friendlies are not 'meaningless' - they're important to create good chemistry and camaraderie within the squad as much as anything. When you have your best player not bothering turning up for them and showing a complete lack of signal, the lesser players take a lead from that. Bale is the complete opposite and he's twice the player. It's no coincidence that we would typically have half a dozen to a dozen pull-outs each squad during the Giggs era, whereas now it's usually only around two or three. 

That can't be the case as Wales don't play any Friendlies.

That's true, but even when we don't have a friendly the squad still meets up for a get-together and training camps during international breaks. Giggs was never around for any non-competitive international breaks. It makes a massive difference with the main players setting the precedent. The difference between levels of commitment and squad chemistry during the Giggs era and this squad is stark.

[oscardelta]

Jul 18, 2017 21:18:57 GMT iot said:

Jul 18, 2017 20:56:15 GMT oscardelta said:

That can't be the case as Wales don't play any Friendlies.

That's true, but even when we don't have a friendly the squad still meets up for a get-together and training camps during international breaks. Giggs was never around for any non-competitive international breaks. It makes a massive difference with the main players setting the precedent. The difference between levels of commitment and squad chemistry during the Giggs era and this squad is stark.

Some of this is down to players, lot of it is down to Managerial structure and way they insist on doing things differently.

[iot]

Jul 18, 2017 21:39:18 GMT oscardelta said:

Jul 18, 2017 21:18:57 GMT iot said:

That's true, but even when we don't have a friendly the squad still meets up for a get-together and training camps during international breaks. Giggs was never around for any non-competitive international breaks. It makes a massive difference with the main players setting the precedent. The difference between levels of commitment and squad chemistry during the Giggs era and this squad is stark.

Some of this is down to players, lot of it is down to Managerial structure and way they insist on doing things differently.

Yes there are many factors in the mix and the commitment and leadership shown by our top players is a crucial one, imo. 

[CrackityJones]

Jul 18, 2017 18:52:06 GMT georgetm1 said:

The thing is that we could probably now get someone really good with loads of experience, instead of taking a chance with someone who has done fuck all with his managerial career.

This. The next manager doesn't need to be Welsh either.

[phillywelsh83]

Bale doesn't turn up for friendlies either. If it was as easy to qualify for euros when Giggs was about, you would be saying same thing. Also Bale is probably a better player than Giggs or certainly different, a talisman, someone who leads the team by the scruff of the neck. Thats not Giggs. He is one of the top 10 capped players of all time for Wales, he didnt shirk Wales when we actually needed him.

[georgetm1]

Jul 19, 2017 11:46:01 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Bale doesn't turn up for friendlies either. If it was as easy to qualify for euros when Giggs was about, you would be saying same thing. Also Bale is probably a better player than Giggs or certainly different, a talisman, someone who leads the team by the scruff of the neck. Thats not Giggs. He is one of the top 10 capped players of all time for Wales, he didnt shirk Wales when we actually needed him.

Has Bale had a nine year break between friendlies like Giggs did? We barely play any friendlies now, and when we do Bale has been legitimately injured or not been picked by Coleman to give him a rest. The difference in attitude between the two guys towards our national team is insane.

[phillywelsh83]

Jul 19, 2017 12:12:00 GMT georgetm1 said:

Jul 19, 2017 11:46:01 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Bale doesn't turn up for friendlies either. If it was as easy to qualify for euros when Giggs was about, you would be saying same thing. Also Bale is probably a better player than Giggs or certainly different, a talisman, someone who leads the team by the scruff of the neck. Thats not Giggs. He is one of the top 10 capped players of all time for Wales, he didnt shirk Wales when we actually needed him.

Has Bale had a nine year break between friendlies like Giggs did? We barely play any friendlies now, and when we do Bale has been legitimately injured or not been picked by Coleman to give him a rest. The difference in attitude between the two guys towards our national team is insane.

Its alot easier to have that attitude now we legitimately have hope not a pipe dream.

[vandenhauwe]

Giggs played in a team with rush, Hughes,Saunders,rats,speed,Southall hardly a team of no hopers!!Giggs splits Welsh fans like no other player,for me its an absolute no guy doesn't give a damn about wales.

[matty]

Jul 19, 2017 11:46:01 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Bale doesn't turn up for friendlies either. If it was as easy to qualify for euros when Giggs was about, you would be saying same thing. Also Bale is probably a better player than Giggs or certainly different, a talisman, someone who leads the team by the scruff of the neck. Thats not Giggs. He is one of the top 10 capped players of all time for Wales, he didnt shirk Wales when we actually needed him.

I can't work out if you are suggesting Giggs is in the top 10 most capped players for Wales? If so you are wrong. Currently say 17th with a miserly average of 4 caps per year active.

1 Neville Southall 1982–1997 92
2 Gary Speed 1990–2004 85
3 Chris Gunter 2007–2017 79
4 Craig Bellamy 1998–2013 78
5 Dean Saunders 1986–2001 75
6 Joe Ledley 2006–2017 73
= Peter Nicholas 1979–1991 73
= Ian Rush 1980–1996 73
9 Mark Hughes 1984–1999 72
= Joey Jones 1975–1986 72
11 Ashley Williams 2008–2017 71
12 Ivor Allchurch 1950–1966 68
= Wayne Hennessey 2007–2017 68
14 Gareth Bale 2006–2017 66
= Brian Flynn 1974–1984 66
16 Andy Melville 1989–2004 65
17 Ryan Giggs 1991–2007 64

[phillywelsh83]

Jul 19, 2017 15:06:54 GMT vandenhauwe said:

Giggs played in a team with rush, Hughes,Saunders,rats,speed,Southall hardly a team of no hopers!!Giggs splits Welsh fans like no other player,for me its an absolute no guy doesn't give a damn about wales.

He played in a team with great players, but you had to win your group, or be lucky enough to make playoffs and win to qualify. We qualified for Euros where 2 teams plus potentially 3rd could qualify. That team never had that opportunity, 

[vandenhauwe]

Yep I know.I was there and that free kick against Belgium he could've been A wales great but preferred to chose utd over wales!! That group was tough Belgium,Romania,RCS and Cyprus so so close.two qualified from that group no playoff!

[marsvolta]

For me it's simple, he played for team GB when he couldn't be arsed to play for Wales
Mainly, in my opinion, because the Olympics were in the U.K. And had a load of publicity whereas an away trip to Azerbaijan or somewhere with Wales was a bit more effort and wasn't as glamorous

[jbt95]

Jul 20, 2017 19:49:52 GMT marsvolta said:

For me it's simple, he played for team GB when he couldn't be arsed to play for Wales
Mainly, in my opinion, because the Olympics were in the U.K. And had a load of publicity whereas an away trip to Azerbaijan or somewhere with Wales was a bit more effort and wasn't as glamorous

That is harsh af tbh. 

[marsvolta]

Jul 21, 2017 8:22:21 GMT jbt95 said:

Jul 20, 2017 19:49:52 GMT marsvolta said:

For me it's simple, he played for team GB when he couldn't be arsed to play for Wales
Mainly, in my opinion, because the Olympics were in the U.K. And had a load of publicity whereas an away trip to Azerbaijan or somewhere with Wales was a bit more effort and wasn't as glamorous

That is harsh af tbh. 

Really?

It's certainly factual.

He had retired from international football but came out of retirement not because Wales needed him, but because a high profile glamorous Olympic tournament was in the UK

[jbt95]

Jul 21, 2017 14:59:30 GMT marsvolta said:

Jul 21, 2017 8:22:21 GMT jbt95 said:

That is harsh af tbh. 

Really?

It's certainly factual.

He had retired from international football but came out of retirement not because Wales needed him, but because a high profile glamorous Olympic tournament was in the UK

The 2012 Olympics was an one off event and just a few weeks which effectively replaced Giggs' preseason with Man U.

Yes he could have carried on playing for Wales past 2007 but he chose not to. If he had carried on it is unlikely we would have qualified anyway before we actually did. Stop whining and get over it.

Other players retired from Welsh duty before they stopped playing club football. Look at Gary Speed. 

[gwernybwch]

Jul 21, 2017 16:21:43 GMT jbt95 said:

Jul 21, 2017 14:59:30 GMT marsvolta said:

Really?

It's certainly factual.

He had retired from international football but came out of retirement not because Wales needed him, but because a high profile glamorous Olympic tournament was in the UK

The 2012 Olympics was an one off event and just a few weeks which effectively replaced Giggs' preseason with Man U.

Yes he could have carried on playing for Wales past 2007 but he chose not to. If he had carried on it is unlikely we would have qualified anyway before we actually did. Stop whining and get over it.

Other players retired from Welsh duty before they stopped playing club football. Look at Gary Speed. 

Your right, there were plenty of times that Giggs could have played for his country and chose not to. When did playing for your country become a decision based on whether we are going to qualify or not? That comment encapsulates Giggs' thought process on playing for his country - Is there any significant benefit in it for ME in playing for my country? Y / N And the majority of times he decided that it wasn't.

[richierich333]

Jul 21, 2017 20:35:13 GMT gwernybwch said:

Jul 21, 2017 16:21:43 GMT jbt95 said:

The 2012 Olympics was an one off event and just a few weeks which effectively replaced Giggs' preseason with Man U.

Yes he could have carried on playing for Wales past 2007 but he chose not to. If he had carried on it is unlikely we would have qualified anyway before we actually did. Stop whining and get over it.

Other players retired from Welsh duty before they stopped playing club football. Look at Gary Speed. 

Your right, there were plenty of times that Giggs could have played for his country and chose not to. When did playing for your country become a decision based on whether we are going to qualify or not? That comment encapsulates Giggs' thought process on playing for his country - Is there any significant benefit in it for ME in playing for my country? Y / N And the majority of times he decided that it wasn't.

Im not excusing him but probably passing to a player ffom L2 who couldnt pass 5 yards straight in front of him was the source of his frustration. He always seemed pissed off n not enjoying himself playing for us. We'd have seen a different Giggs playing with this lot

[oscardelta]

Jul 21, 2017 16:21:43 GMT jbt95 said:

Jul 21, 2017 14:59:30 GMT marsvolta said:

Really?

It's certainly factual.

He had retired from international football but came out of retirement not because Wales needed him, but because a high profile glamorous Olympic tournament was in the UK

The 2012 Olympics was an one off event and just a few weeks which effectively replaced Giggs' preseason with Man U.

Yes he could have carried on playing for Wales past 2007 but he chose not to. If he had carried on it is unlikely we would have qualified anyway before we actually did. Stop whining and get over it.

Other players retired from Welsh duty before they stopped playing club football. Look at Gary Speed. 

A chance to play in the Olympics as possibly win a Gold medal if lucky enough............................ unpaid.
Now who wouldn't grab that opportunity.

[marsvolta]

Jul 21, 2017 16:21:43 GMT jbt95 said:

Jul 21, 2017 14:59:30 GMT marsvolta said:

Really?

It's certainly factual.

He had retired from international football but came out of retirement not because Wales needed him, but because a high profile glamorous Olympic tournament was in the UK

The 2012 Olympics was an one off event and just a few weeks which effectively replaced Giggs' preseason with Man U.

Yes he could have carried on playing for Wales past 2007 but he chose not to. If he had carried on it is unlikely we would have qualified anyway before we actually did. Stop whining and get over it.

Other players retired from Welsh duty before they stopped playing club football. Look at Gary Speed. 

Wow

Do you mean the same Gary Speed who retired from Wales at 35 with 20+ more caps than Giggs?

[richierich333]

I wonder how many other smaller size countries shit all over ex players as much as you lot ffs savage bellamy giggs coleman and others its disgusting. Youre fake as well because if u met them in person youd be having a selfie and putting it on fb