Giggs

[marsvolta]

Jul 21, 2017 20:58:26 GMT oscardelta said:

Jul 21, 2017 16:21:43 GMT jbt95 said:

The 2012 Olympics was an one off event and just a few weeks which effectively replaced Giggs' preseason with Man U.

Yes he could have carried on playing for Wales past 2007 but he chose not to. If he had carried on it is unlikely we would have qualified anyway before we actually did. Stop whining and get over it.

Other players retired from Welsh duty before they stopped playing club football. Look at Gary Speed. 

A chance to play in the Olympics as possibly win a Gold medal if lucky enough............................ unpaid.
Now who wouldn't grab that opportunity.

I realise that i'll never be able to prove it but I know in my own mind that I wouldn't have played for team GB given the chance

[marsvolta]

Jul 21, 2017 21:29:22 GMT richierich333 said:

I wonder how many other smaller size countries shit all over ex players as much as you lot ffs savage bellamy giggs coleman and others its disgusting. Youre fake as well because if u met them in person youd be having a selfie and putting it on fb

Personally I've not got a problem with Bellamy,Coleman or Savage and would certainly have a selfie with them.

Not really got a problem with Giggs besides the 'Team GB when he retired from us' thing,wouldn't stretch to a selfie though.

Would support Giggs as manager because i would always get behind the Wales manager.

[oscardelta]

Jul 21, 2017 22:18:02 GMT marsvolta said:

Jul 21, 2017 20:58:26 GMT oscardelta said:

A chance to play in the Olympics as possibly win a Gold medal if lucky enough............................ unpaid.
Now who wouldn't grab that opportunity.

I realise that i'll never be able to prove it but I know in my own mind that I wouldn't have played for team GB given the chance

Giggs was aged 38 when he played for GB team.

He retired playing for Wales at age 33.................when Wales has 6 points from 5 games in Euro2008 qualifiers and no hope of qualifying.

Ian Rush retured at 35 but his last Wales goal was when he was 32........

[gwernybwch]

Jul 21, 2017 21:29:22 GMT richierich333 said:

I wonder how many other smaller size countries shit all over ex players as much as you lot ffs savage bellamy giggs coleman and others its disgusting. Youre fake as well because if u met them in person youd be having a selfie and putting it on fb

Your right, Welsh football fans are a totally ungrateful bunch. There are former players such as Carl Robinson and dare I say even Andy Melville, Robert Earnshaw and John Hartson who don't even get mentioned when it comes to forthcoming Managerial vacancy. We should be a bit more grateful to those former players who gave it all for their country. We should be talking about them as future coaches of Wales and not just solely debating whether a former player with limited coaching experience and even less desire should be the next Manager of Wales.

[fiveattheback]

Jul 22, 2017 0:06:00 GMT oscardelta said:

Jul 21, 2017 22:18:02 GMT marsvolta said:

I realise that i'll never be able to prove it but I know in my own mind that I wouldn't have played for team GB given the chance

Giggs was aged 38 when he played for GB team.

He retired playing for Wales at age 33.................when Wales has 6 points from 5 games in Euro2008 qualifiers and no hope of qualifying.

Ian Rush retured at 35 but his last Wales goal was when he was 32........

That shouldn't make a difference, it should be an honour to play for your country, not a choice based on how likely they are to qualify

For a player to have over 1,000 career appearances across a career spanning 24 years, to have only 64 of those apperances coming for his country is ridiculous

Of the current squad Chris Gunter, Joe Ledley, Wayne Hennessey, Ashley Williams and Gareth Bale have made more appearances than Giggs in a much smaller time period

Giggs averaged less than 4 Wales games a year!  In 9 seasons he made 3 appearances or less

He was a great player, but if this Welsh squad had any idea of Giggs' international record there's no way he could command respect/bollock them for not playing for the shirt etc because they'd just point at his record.

[jbt95]

Jul 21, 2017 21:04:15 GMT marsvolta said:

Jul 21, 2017 16:21:43 GMT jbt95 said:

The 2012 Olympics was an one off event and just a few weeks which effectively replaced Giggs' preseason with Man U.

Yes he could have carried on playing for Wales past 2007 but he chose not to. If he had carried on it is unlikely we would have qualified anyway before we actually did. Stop whining and get over it.

Other players retired from Welsh duty before they stopped playing club football. Look at Gary Speed. 

Wow

Do you mean the same Gary Speed who retired from Wales at 35 with 20+ more caps than Giggs?

Speed still retired many years before hanging up his boots however you look at it.

[matty]

Jul 21, 2017 21:29:22 GMT richierich333 said:

I wonder how many other smaller size countries shit all over ex players as much as you lot ffs savage bellamy giggs coleman and others its disgusting. Youre fake as well because if u met them in person youd be having a selfie and putting it on fb

I grew up and got into football just as giggs was breaking through at man utd. My first football match was giggs' full debut against Belgium. There was a time I'd rather you slag off my mother than giggs. My views on him changed when it became obvious he saw Wales as a chore at times. 9 years without a friendly appearance? Come on! I made excuses for him at the time but what excuse can there be for 9 years? I still think he was a great player and he put us on the football map - how many away games did the locals mention giggs as the only Wales player they knew! However he is a man Utd legend not a Welsh one.
Also other countries shit all over their players - off course they do. Being part Swedish I can even tell you my cousins slag off zlatan often. He did retire several times from international duty - there's definitely a love/hate relationship with him.

[1gwaunview]

Whichever way you look at it Ryan Giggs is a very divisive character to Wales fans.
As I've posted here before, not keen on him being the next Wales boss myself (mainly lack of experience as a coach and questionable commitment to Wales), but it's the FAW who'll decide, and who knows what will happen with them.
One thing, the WAGS will have to be locked away if he get's the job, judging by his previous antics!

[cymruramdcfc]

Ryan giggs and millennium stadium the 2 topics tbat split Welsh fans

[phillywelsh83]

Jul 23, 2017 11:21:36 GMT cymruramdcfc said:

Ryan giggs and millennium stadium the 2 topics tbat split Welsh fans

Amen to that! Hopefully Cookie stays on forever so it never divides the fans, and hopefully never go back to the egg stadium.

[hughjarse1]

How come Giggs only had 64 caps for Wales?

[welshiron]

stop fishing

[turkpower]

Giggs was england schoolboy captain and could have had over 100 caps for them. He could have gone to world cup and euro finals. He give it all up to play for Wales. Show some appreciation.

[gogdownsouth]

Am I right in thinking though he was never actually eligible to play for England at the time?

[hughjarse1]

Aug 11, 2017 11:14:05 GMT welshiron said:

stop fishing

Ahh FFS.
It's a genuine question.
I'm a bit of a stato, and was surprised (when reading about his divorce) when it mentioned his career caps.
Roy Keane has 67 caps (ok there was the whole Saipan thing) but when he came back I think he was excused from playing friendlies. Only played competitive games.
If Giggs was a die hard international player, that's great, if he cried off with injuries, well so be it.
He's retired now, so it's history, am I the first person to ask this?

[welshiron]

Yes you are the first as I imagine most welsh fans know

and Giggs didn't qualify for England

[iot]

Aug 11, 2017 11:36:58 GMT turkpower said:

Giggs was england schoolboy captain and could have had over 100 caps for them. He could have gone to world cup and euro finals. He give it all up to play for Wales. Show some appreciation.

That's a complete myth, he was never eligible to play for them. I suspect he might feel more English than Welsh (given the lack of commitment to us, the fact he's lived there almost all his life and the way he covers England games) and that's fair enough. However, given his lack of commitment I think it's absurd for anyone to call him a 'Welsh legend'.

[iot]

Aug 11, 2017 11:58:12 GMT hughjarse1 said:

Aug 11, 2017 11:14:05 GMT welshiron said:

stop fishing

Ahh FFS.
It's a genuine question.
I'm a bit of a stato, and was surprised (when reading about his divorce) when it mentioned his career caps.
Roy Keane has 67 caps (ok there was the whole Saipan thing) but when he came back I think he was excused from playing friendlies. Only played competitive games.
If Giggs was a die hard international player, that's great, if he cried off with injuries, well so be it.
He's retired now, so it's history, am I the first person to ask this?

I think he average around 4 games per years throughout his careers and didn't play in a friendly for 7 years (I think?). Every time a friendly would come up, he would be named in the squad but pull out with a 'hamstring strain' having played the previous weekend and proceed to play for Man U the following weekend. 

[phillywelsh83]

Aug 11, 2017 13:16:45 GMT iot said:

Aug 11, 2017 11:36:58 GMT turkpower said:

Giggs was england schoolboy captain and could have had over 100 caps for them. He could have gone to world cup and euro finals. He give it all up to play for Wales. Show some appreciation.

That's a complete myth, he was never eligible to play for them. I suspect he might feel more English than Welsh (given the lack of commitment to us, the fact he's lived there almost all his life and the way he covers England games) and that's fair enough. However, given his lack of commitment I think it's absurd for anyone to call him a 'Welsh legend'.

Well he is a football legend and he is from Wales. Put them together equals Welsh Legend!!

[hughjarse1]

Aug 11, 2017 13:20:54 GMT iot said:

Aug 11, 2017 11:58:12 GMT hughjarse1 said:

Ahh FFS.
It's a genuine question.
I'm a bit of a stato, and was surprised (when reading about his divorce) when it mentioned his career caps.
Roy Keane has 67 caps (ok there was the whole Saipan thing) but when he came back I think he was excused from playing friendlies. Only played competitive games.
If Giggs was a die hard international player, that's great, if he cried off with injuries, well so be it.
He's retired now, so it's history, am I the first person to ask this?

I think he average around 4 games per years throughout his careers and didn't play in a friendly for 7 years (I think?). Every time a friendly would come up, he would be named in the squad but pull out with a 'hamstring strain' having played the previous weekend and proceed to play for Man U the following weekend. 

Thank you for a genuine answer to a genuine question.

[iot]

Aug 11, 2017 13:47:13 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Aug 11, 2017 13:16:45 GMT iot said:

That's a complete myth, he was never eligible to play for them. I suspect he might feel more English than Welsh (given the lack of commitment to us, the fact he's lived there almost all his life and the way he covers England games) and that's fair enough. However, given his lack of commitment I think it's absurd for anyone to call him a 'Welsh legend'.

Well he is a football legend and he is from Wales. Put them together equals Welsh Legend!!

Ha, perhaps in the literal sense but you know what I meant. Obviously it's completely subjective but, in my eyes, his contribution to football is legendary but his contribution to Welsh football and Wales is far from it. 

[Deleted]

Aug 11, 2017 13:49:55 GMT hughjarse1 said:

Aug 11, 2017 13:20:54 GMT iot said:

I think he average around 4 games per years throughout his careers and didn't play in a friendly for 7 years (I think?). Every time a friendly would come up, he would be named in the squad but pull out with a 'hamstring strain' having played the previous weekend and proceed to play for Man U the following weekend. 

Thank you for a genuine answer to a genuine question.

I'll add a little more hugh.
When he burst onto the scene he was stunning for Wales - for the 1992 EC - giggs first - we only lost one game (away to West Germany) world champions at the time and narrowly missed qualification.
Then we lost out in the final game for USA 94 in heartbreaking circumstances. Giggs very influential in that campaign also.

Then Mike Smith and Bobby Gould took over. They employed Vinnie Jones in midfield for a while. We turned to shit and Giggs lost a bit of interest naturally but still played in all qualifiers.

Mark Hughes took over and Giggs helped Wales to a play off against the drug cheating Russians - where (lol) we narrowly lost.

Giggs then stayed on for a while to help Toshack nurture some younger players before retiring on Fergie's recommendation to elongate his own career with MU where he eventually chalked up 959 games and 13 EPL championship titles.

he also allegedly has a huge knob.

[iot]

Aug 11, 2017 14:42:50 GMT @baresi said:

Aug 11, 2017 13:49:55 GMT hughjarse1 said:

Thank you for a genuine answer to a genuine question.

I'll add a little more hugh.
When he burst onto the scene he was stunning for Wales - for the 1992 EC - giggs first - we only lost one game (away to West Germany) world champions at the time and narrowly missed qualification.
Then we lost out in the final game for USA 94 in heartbreaking circumstances. Giggs very influential in that campaign also.

Then Mike Smith and Bobby Gould took over. They employed Vinnie Jones in midfield for a while. We turned to shit and Giggs lost a bit of interest naturally but still played in all qualifiers.

Mark Hughes took over and Giggs helped Wales to a play off against the drug cheating Russians - where (lol) we narrowly lost.

Giggs then stayed on for a while to help Toshack nurture some younger players before retiring on Fergie's recommendation to elongate his own career with MU where he eventually chalked up 959 games and 13 EPL championship titles.

he also allegedly has a huge knob.

Yes, his hamstrings only seemed to flare up during international breaks he deemed to be insignificant, feeding into a wider feeling around the squad at the time that saw Welsh games (especially friendlies) as more of a nuisance than something to take pride in. 

[phillywelsh83]

Aug 11, 2017 15:50:08 GMT iot said:

Aug 11, 2017 14:42:50 GMT @baresi said:

I'll add a little more hugh.
When he burst onto the scene he was stunning for Wales - for the 1992 EC - giggs first - we only lost one game (away to West Germany) world champions at the time and narrowly missed qualification.
Then we lost out in the final game for USA 94 in heartbreaking circumstances. Giggs very influential in that campaign also.

Then Mike Smith and Bobby Gould took over. They employed Vinnie Jones in midfield for a while. We turned to shit and Giggs lost a bit of interest naturally but still played in all qualifiers.

Mark Hughes took over and Giggs helped Wales to a play off against the drug cheating Russians - where (lol) we narrowly lost.

Giggs then stayed on for a while to help Toshack nurture some younger players before retiring on Fergie's recommendation to elongate his own career with MU where he eventually chalked up 959 games and 13 EPL championship titles.

he also allegedly has a huge knob.

Yes, his hamstrings only seemed to flare up during international breaks he deemed to be insignificant, feeding into a wider feeling around the squad at the time that saw Welsh games (especially friendlies) as more of a nuisance than something to take pride in. 

Most top quality players view friendlies as a nuisance. They can play in the Champions League against the elite, or play alongside league two players in a friendly against another nation with half the players out also (or i forgot only Giggs ever did or does this) - take you blinkers off!

[georgetm1]

The behaviour by Giggs towards our national team made it easier for other players who weren't commited to do exactly the same. 9 fucking years ffs!!!

And I saw his punditry during the Euro's and he was fucking useless and had zero clue with what was happening with Welsh football. In all honesty, what he was saying was totally from an English standpoint and it showed. Bellamy on the other hand showed huge footballing knowledge and passion on everything football related and that's what makes me think that Bellamy should be above Giggs in the running.

Where is Giggs working now anyway? Because for me, he is not the guy we should be taking a chance on, especially as our stock has risen hugely in the past few years. He has a very boring character and I wouldn't want someone like that in the dressing room.

[CrackityJones]

Bellamy >>>> Giggs

[johnswift83]

Aug 14, 2017 14:18:25 GMT georgetm1 said:

The behaviour by Giggs towards our national team made it easier for other players who weren't commited to do exactly the same. 9 fucking years ffs!!!

And I saw his punditry during the Euro's and he was fucking useless and had zero clue with what was happening with Welsh football. In all honesty, what he was saying was totally from an English standpoint and it showed. Bellamy on the other hand showed huge footballing knowledge and passion on everything football related and that's what makes me think that Bellamy should be above Giggs in the running.

Where is Giggs working now anyway? Because for me, he is not the guy we should be taking a chance on, especially as our stock has risen hugely in the past few years. He has a very boring character and I wouldn't want someone like that in the dressing room.

Giggs would only be using Wales to further his own career. Roy Keane was the same when playing for Ireland - turned up when he felt like it and prioritised Man United.

[welsh]

Following the recent disappointment of missing out on the World Cup and the ongoing speculation of Chris Colemans’ future and who could become the next manager of the National team, I have found myself seeing more and more negative comments on social media regarding the status of Ryan Giggs amongst Welsh fans. Being in my late twenties, Welsh and left footed, Ryan Giggs has always been my footballing hero and to play to the age he did at one of the biggest clubs in the world is something to be admired. But to a lot of Welsh fans it’s all about his appearances for the national team. With the recent success for the national team it’s no surprise that attendances have gone up and the greater demand for home and away tickets has been fantastic for all concerned in Welsh football, however last Tuesdays friendly 1-1 against Panamas was Wales’ lowest attendance since the 3-1 win against Iceland back in March of 2014. This brings me on to the issue with people ridiculing Giggs with comments such as ‘he didn’t turn up for friendlies’.


Ryan Gigs played 63 time for the national team, Giggs first international appearance came against Germany at the National Stadium in Cardiff in a European Qualifier with an attendance of thirty eight thousand. A home friendly v Iceland before that campaign was attended by just over three thousand fans. Wales’ attendances fluctuated during the 1994 WCQ campaign largely depending on opponents, with attendances as high as forty thousand and as low as ten thousand.


The two home friendlies following that campaign, ten thousand v Norway, four thousand v Sweden.


Wales’ hugely unsuccessful Euro 96 qualifying campaign was not at all very well attended the highest attendance during that time was v Bulgaria in a 3-0 loss at a mere twenty thousand in attendance, followed by crowds of less than ten thousand for the remaining three group games v Georgia, Moldova and Germany. Germany where only six thousand fans showed up in a 2-1 defeat.


Wales’s world cup 98 qualifying campaign was another disaster only beating San Marino twice whilst falling to a heavy 7-1 defeat to the Netherlands, this saw the attendances fluctuate again with as many as thirty five thousand fans witnessing the 3-1 home defeat to the Netherlands, followed by a crowd of twelve thousand in a qualifier v Turkey, then only seven thousand to watch a friendly v ROI at Ninian Park.


The Euro 2000 qualifying campaign saw Wales play at three different venues Ninian Park, The Racecourse ground and Anfield Road. Considering the demand for National football to be played up North only five thousand fans turned up to watch Wales’ last qualifying game in a 2-0 defeat to Switzerland. Wales 2002 WCQ campaign was heavily supported with the arrival of the brand-new Millennium Stadium with thirty thousand plus attending the early stages of the group games, that was until qualification became impossible and attendances faltered with only ten thousand fans turning up for the final group game v Belarus.


A Wales v Bosnia friendly, before the Euro Qualifier campaign of 2004 was attended by twenty two thousand fans (a lot I know) but nothing compared to the seventy thousand they got against Italy during that campaign. Wales’ 2006 campaign after that was also well attended with over 40 thousand fans for each of their home qualifiers (Azerbaijan being the exception with just over 30 thousand) that disappointing campaign then led to a friendly attendance v Paraguay of just twelve thousand.


Wales euro 2008 campaign home opener v Slovakia attracted twenty five thousand fans, unfortunately ending in a 5-1 reversal. The following qualifiers seen attendances stay between the twenty to thirty thousand mark, again unfortunately Wales failed to qualify.


The campaign of 2010 wasn’t welcomed with great enthusiasm from Welsh fans with only seventeen thousand fans attending to see Sam Vokes give Wales a 1-0 over Azerbaijan, followed by thirteen thousand to watch Wales’ 2-0 win of Lichtenstein. Wales next two home qualifiers v Finland and Germany seen crowds of over twenty thousand at the Millennium. The two friendlies following that v Scotland at Cardiff City Stadium and Sweden at the Liberty stadium seen attendances falter once more to fourteen thousand then just little over eight thousand.


Wales’ 2012 Euro campaign seen us drawn in a group with England where Wales would lose infront of a near seventy thousand crowd at the Millenium, followed was a crown of little over eight thousand v Montenegro at Cardiff City Stadium. Inbetween that a crowd of just over six thousand watched Wales v Australia. Wales’ world cup qualifying campaign of 2014 seen crowds rarely break the twenty thousand mark. This was the beginning of the resurgence in Welsh football with Chris Coleman starting to find his feet towards the end of the campaign with a fantastic 1-1 draw with Belgium on their own patch. However, two friendlies following that weren’t met with the same enthusiasm as that result with just with Wales v Finland reaching just over eleven thousand and Wales v Iceland just over thirteen thousand.


Due to the success of the 2016 euro qualifying Wales’ games were heavily attended and seen the best consistent number of supporters returning to see their soon to be heroes. We all know how that ended.

Just to clarify this isn’t me saying that Ryan Giggs gave his all for the national team, after all after his international debut in 1991, Giggs didn’t attend a friendly international until some nine years later, after which he missed a further eighteen consecutive friendly games, which is very much poor on his part. I also don’t agree with people’s reasoning’s behind it, Ferguson being one, the success he was having for United the other, none of this wash’ with me either. To summarise what I’m trying to say is that Ryan Giggs might not have turned up for international friendlies as much as we’d like to see, but neither have the fans, granted it can be expensive to follow the national team, especially for north supporters travelling to Cardiff to watch friendly games. Giggs’ job was to be a footballer and yes he should have attended a lot more games, but his commitment during qualifying games can’t really be questioned by those fans who didn’t turn up to ‘meaningless friendlies’

[dai]

Ryan, is that you?

[garynysmon]

Nov 17, 2017 15:23:57 GMT welsh said:

Giggs’ job was to be a footballer and yes he should have attended a lot more games, but his commitment during qualifying games can’t really be questioned by those fans who didn’t turn up to ‘meaningless friendlies’

I certainly have some sympathy with this point.
But at the end of the day, footballers don't pay hundreds of pounds to travel abroad and follow the side. I'm sure if any of us were offered the chance to play for Wales, we'd be the first on that plane.

I don't have the same level of hatred for Giggs that many do, but I don't cherish him in the way he possibly should be either, which is a shame.
I don't think there's any doubting his natural talent, but he never seemed to have the same influence on a game that Bale or even Joe Allen can. He was always a very frustrating player in the red of Wales. Trying to do too much perhaps?

I can certainly see why appointing him as manager would be a marketing guru's dream, and it can't have hurt that he worked under the very best - Alex Ferguson, for so long. Not my first choice, but if he were appointed I'd give him a chance (although I'm probably not in the majority).