Giggs

[gwernybwch]

Nov 17, 2017 20:16:00 GMT joseywales37 said:

Nov 17, 2017 19:59:33 GMT gwernybwch said:

Ryan Giggs and Chris Gunter. Compare and contrast.

Who was a better servant to Welsh football; Ryan Giggs or Carl Robinson? Discuss.

Its irrelevant but Gunter served better, but some more questions are who was the better player and how many levels above are we talking. The REAL question is football superstar v 85 caps

TOTALLY RELEVANT. If  he had a "I can't be arsed" (said in Mancunian drawl) attitude to Welsh football when he was a player, he'll have the same attitude as a Manager. 

Not saying that he hasn't learnt a thing or two about playing football, it is just evident that he hasn't got the knowledge or skills to be the next manager of Wales.

[Deleted]

Giggs was a hero of mine and still is. But he knobbed his brother’s missus and I’m not sure about that.

[joseywales37]

Nov 17, 2017 20:23:08 GMT 1gwaunview said:

Eddie Niedzwiecki, a very interesting name to mention. Very experienced coach now.

There are some options out there including Eddie. 

[conwy10]

Nov 17, 2017 20:11:59 GMT gwernybwch said:

Nov 17, 2017 17:26:56 GMT joseywales37 said:

As I have said in other thread, those not wanting Giggs to have anything to do with Wales are just cutting their nose of to spite their face. OK he should have played in a few more friendlies years ago, I got over that years ago, and not everyone likes what happened in his personal life, but that's his personal life and of course non of the haters have done anything wrong in their lives. Fact is though he is one of the greatest players to pull on a Wales shirt and no doubt one of the reasons we now have Bale and Ramsey and even now with Lawrence pulling on a Wales shirt, just as they are reasons why Woodburn, Ampadu and Brooks now wearing Wales shirt. Personally have no doubt Giggs would work well with current first team or u21 passing on his football knowledge, Cookie even said at talk he gave that Giggs was on different planet to everyone else in that generation, and yet we would let that go because of some friendly attendences that happened years ago ?? really ?

Eh? The reason that Bale and Ramsey are playing for Wales is because of Giggsy Wiggsy?
And passing on his football knowledge? You have seen him being a ITV football pundit right? You're read the rumours that were doing the rounds as to why he didn't the Swansea job (or any other managerial job for that matter)?

I find it funny when people put an influential spin on football. Probably the reason Bale and Ramsey play for Wales is because, like mine, their parents took them to football every week and they became very good at it. I was given the choice of going voluntarily or to be dragged there, I was playing football every night because I was bored and had nothing else to do, probably the same for them too.

If they did have an inspiration there's nothing to say he was even Welsh. For all we know they could have been inspired by Ronaldo but couldn't follow in his footsteps because they're only eligible to play for Wales.

[dai]

A little but suspicious this thread appeared out of nowhere on the day Coleman resigns.....

Which member of the FAW marketing team joined this forum then??

[pendragon]

Seeing as in light of breaking news, Giggs' appointment could now become a real possibility, maybe we should now try to look at the positives and explore what he could potentially bring to this role (a glass half-full and that)..

Clearly, he was a fantastic player in his time. He will have some positive insights at the very least and possibly, experience of deploying effective strategies as well.

He's Welsh - and he wants to manage Wales (whatever the reasons for the time being).

He's young which means he may be able to relate very well to the squad, particularly the younger members and help facilitate their development and fast-tracking into the first team..

He is ambitious so he will surely want to build a good profile for himself so he can move on to future lucrative club deals.

Maybe he will be very competitive? Maybe he will want to adopt a progressive free-flowing, possession-based style of football??

I'm just trying to think of the positives here!

[marsvolta]

I wish people would stop talking about how many fans turn up for friendlies

All last week we had people asking why demand was less for the friendly against Panama than the crucial final winner takes all qualifier with Republic of Ireland.Really? You don't know? Have these people only been in football two minutes?

I've been following football for nearly 40 years and friendlies have always drawn smaller crowds than competitive games at every single level.

Are they confused as to why it is harder to get a ticket for the Spurs Arsenal North London derby tomorrow than it was for a pre- season friendly against Barnet? Are there any Arsenal fans scratching their head confused because tickets for the pre season friendly against Real Sociadad didn't sell out but they can't get a ticket for the Man Utd premier league game?
I'll give you the answer, it's no.Mainly because football fans in general accept that friendlies are more poorly attended than competitive games.AT EVERY LEVEL SINCE FOREVER.

Why everyone thinks Wales should be the team that breaks this fact I don't know

[marsvolta]

I don't hate Giggs because he had an affair with his brothers wife,not interested,don't care

I don't hate Giggs because his lack of experience, same when Sparky and to a lesser extent Speed got the job

I don't hate Giggs that much for not turning up for friendlies,frustrating at the time but I got over it

I'm against Giggs because he played for Team GB when he couldn't be arsed to play for Wales anymore

[welsh]

Nov 17, 2017 20:48:16 GMT dai said:

A little but suspicious this thread appeared out of nowhere on the day Coleman resigns.....

Which member of the FAW marketing team joined this forum then??

Unfortunately not part of the FAW, far from it.

[dai]

Nov 17, 2017 21:41:16 GMT welsh said:

Nov 17, 2017 20:48:16 GMT dai said:

A little but suspicious this thread appeared out of nowhere on the day Coleman resigns.....

Which member of the FAW marketing team joined this forum then??

Unfortunately not part of the FAW, far from it.

Are you sure now? Bit of a coincidence isn't it though?!

[marsvolta]

Nov 17, 2017 15:23:57 GMT welsh said:

Following the recent disappointment of missing out on the World Cup and the ongoing speculation of Chris Colemans’ future and who could become the next manager of the National team, I have found myself seeing more and more negative comments on social media regarding the status of Ryan Giggs amongst Welsh fans. Being in my late twenties, Welsh and left footed, Ryan Giggs has always been my footballing hero and to play to the age he did at one of the biggest clubs in the world is something to be admired. But to a lot of Welsh fans it’s all about his appearances for the national team. With the recent success for the national team it’s no surprise that attendances have gone up and the greater demand for home and away tickets has been fantastic for all concerned in Welsh football, however last Tuesdays friendly 1-1 against Panamas was Wales’ lowest attendance since the 3-1 win against Iceland back in March of 2014. This brings me on to the issue with people ridiculing Giggs with comments such as ‘he didn’t turn up for friendlies’.


Ryan Gigs played 63 time for the national team, Giggs first international appearance came against Germany at the National Stadium in Cardiff in a European Qualifier with an attendance of thirty eight thousand. A home friendly v Iceland before that campaign was attended by just over three thousand fans. Wales’ attendances fluctuated during the 1994 WCQ campaign largely depending on opponents, with attendances as high as forty thousand and as low as ten thousand.


The two home friendlies following that campaign, ten thousand v Norway, four thousand v Sweden.


Wales’ hugely unsuccessful Euro 96 qualifying campaign was not at all very well attended the highest attendance during that time was v Bulgaria in a 3-0 loss at a mere twenty thousand in attendance, followed by crowds of less than ten thousand for the remaining three group games v Georgia, Moldova and Germany. Germany where only six thousand fans showed up in a 2-1 defeat.


Wales’s world cup 98 qualifying campaign was another disaster only beating San Marino twice whilst falling to a heavy 7-1 defeat to the Netherlands, this saw the attendances fluctuate again with as many as thirty five thousand fans witnessing the 3-1 home defeat to the Netherlands, followed by a crowd of twelve thousand in a qualifier v Turkey, then only seven thousand to watch a friendly v ROI at Ninian Park.


The Euro 2000 qualifying campaign saw Wales play at three different venues Ninian Park, The Racecourse ground and Anfield Road. Considering the demand for National football to be played up North only five thousand fans turned up to watch Wales’ last qualifying game in a 2-0 defeat to Switzerland. Wales 2002 WCQ campaign was heavily supported with the arrival of the brand-new Millennium Stadium with thirty thousand plus attending the early stages of the group games, that was until qualification became impossible and attendances faltered with only ten thousand fans turning up for the final group game v Belarus.


A Wales v Bosnia friendly, before the Euro Qualifier campaign of 2004 was attended by twenty two thousand fans (a lot I know) but nothing compared to the seventy thousand they got against Italy during that campaign. Wales’ 2006 campaign after that was also well attended with over 40 thousand fans for each of their home qualifiers (Azerbaijan being the exception with just over 30 thousand) that disappointing campaign then led to a friendly attendance v Paraguay of just twelve thousand.


Wales euro 2008 campaign home opener v Slovakia attracted twenty five thousand fans, unfortunately ending in a 5-1 reversal. The following qualifiers seen attendances stay between the twenty to thirty thousand mark, again unfortunately Wales failed to qualify.


The campaign of 2010 wasn’t welcomed with great enthusiasm from Welsh fans with only seventeen thousand fans attending to see Sam Vokes give Wales a 1-0 over Azerbaijan, followed by thirteen thousand to watch Wales’ 2-0 win of Lichtenstein. Wales next two home qualifiers v Finland and Germany seen crowds of over twenty thousand at the Millennium. The two friendlies following that v Scotland at Cardiff City Stadium and Sweden at the Liberty stadium seen attendances falter once more to fourteen thousand then just little over eight thousand.


Wales’ 2012 Euro campaign seen us drawn in a group with England where Wales would lose infront of a near seventy thousand crowd at the Millenium, followed was a crown of little over eight thousand v Montenegro at Cardiff City Stadium. Inbetween that a crowd of just over six thousand watched Wales v Australia. Wales’ world cup qualifying campaign of 2014 seen crowds rarely break the twenty thousand mark. This was the beginning of the resurgence in Welsh football with Chris Coleman starting to find his feet towards the end of the campaign with a fantastic 1-1 draw with Belgium on their own patch. However, two friendlies following that weren’t met with the same enthusiasm as that result with just with Wales v Finland reaching just over eleven thousand and Wales v Iceland just over thirteen thousand.


Due to the success of the 2016 euro qualifying Wales’ games were heavily attended and seen the best consistent number of supporters returning to see their soon to be heroes. We all know how that ended.

Just to clarify this isn’t me saying that Ryan Giggs gave his all for the national team, after all after his international debut in 1991, Giggs didn’t attend a friendly international until some nine years later, after which he missed a further eighteen consecutive friendly games, which is very much poor on his part. I also don’t agree with people’s reasoning’s behind it, Ferguson being one, the success he was having for United the other, none of this wash’ with me either. To summarise what I’m trying to say is that Ryan Giggs might not have turned up for international friendlies as much as we’d like to see, but neither have the fans, granted it can be expensive to follow the national team, especially for north supporters travelling to Cardiff to watch friendly games. Giggs’ job was to be a footballer and yes he should have attended a lot more games, but his commitment during qualifying games can’t really be questioned by those fans who didn’t turn up to ‘meaningless friendlies’

As you were, by your own admission, a youngster when Giggs was playing you didn't experience the frustration as the talk and media attention around every game seemed to be whether Giggs would grace us with his presence. It turned into a circus every time and it was as almost a relief when he retired even though he was only 31.

The lift that Bale gives us is absolutely miles away from the lack of influence Giggs had on the team.

Be glad that you are around for the Bale era but don't confuse it with the Giggs era cos they're worlds apart

[marsvolta]

Nov 17, 2017 15:23:57 GMT welsh said:

Following the recent disappointment of missing out on the World Cup and the ongoing speculation of Chris Colemans’ future and who could become the next manager of the National team, I have found myself seeing more and more negative comments on social media regarding the status of Ryan Giggs amongst Welsh fans. Being in my late twenties, Welsh and left footed, Ryan Giggs has always been my footballing hero and to play to the age he did at one of the biggest clubs in the world is something to be admired. But to a lot of Welsh fans it’s all about his appearances for the national team. With the recent success for the national team it’s no surprise that attendances have gone up and the greater demand for home and away tickets has been fantastic for all concerned in Welsh football, however last Tuesdays friendly 1-1 against Panamas was Wales’ lowest attendance since the 3-1 win against Iceland back in March of 2014. This brings me on to the issue with people ridiculing Giggs with comments such as ‘he didn’t turn up for friendlies’.


Ryan Gigs played 63 time for the national team, Giggs first international appearance came against Germany at the National Stadium in Cardiff in a European Qualifier with an attendance of thirty eight thousand. A home friendly v Iceland before that campaign was attended by just over three thousand fans. Wales’ attendances fluctuated during the 1994 WCQ campaign largely depending on opponents, with attendances as high as forty thousand and as low as ten thousand.


The two home friendlies following that campaign, ten thousand v Norway, four thousand v Sweden.


Wales’ hugely unsuccessful Euro 96 qualifying campaign was not at all very well attended the highest attendance during that time was v Bulgaria in a 3-0 loss at a mere twenty thousand in attendance, followed by crowds of less than ten thousand for the remaining three group games v Georgia, Moldova and Germany. Germany where only six thousand fans showed up in a 2-1 defeat.


Wales’s world cup 98 qualifying campaign was another disaster only beating San Marino twice whilst falling to a heavy 7-1 defeat to the Netherlands, this saw the attendances fluctuate again with as many as thirty five thousand fans witnessing the 3-1 home defeat to the Netherlands, followed by a crowd of twelve thousand in a qualifier v Turkey, then only seven thousand to watch a friendly v ROI at Ninian Park.


The Euro 2000 qualifying campaign saw Wales play at three different venues Ninian Park, The Racecourse ground and Anfield Road. Considering the demand for National football to be played up North only five thousand fans turned up to watch Wales’ last qualifying game in a 2-0 defeat to Switzerland. Wales 2002 WCQ campaign was heavily supported with the arrival of the brand-new Millennium Stadium with thirty thousand plus attending the early stages of the group games, that was until qualification became impossible and attendances faltered with only ten thousand fans turning up for the final group game v Belarus.


A Wales v Bosnia friendly, before the Euro Qualifier campaign of 2004 was attended by twenty two thousand fans (a lot I know) but nothing compared to the seventy thousand they got against Italy during that campaign. Wales’ 2006 campaign after that was also well attended with over 40 thousand fans for each of their home qualifiers (Azerbaijan being the exception with just over 30 thousand) that disappointing campaign then led to a friendly attendance v Paraguay of just twelve thousand.


Wales euro 2008 campaign home opener v Slovakia attracted twenty five thousand fans, unfortunately ending in a 5-1 reversal. The following qualifiers seen attendances stay between the twenty to thirty thousand mark, again unfortunately Wales failed to qualify.


The campaign of 2010 wasn’t welcomed with great enthusiasm from Welsh fans with only seventeen thousand fans attending to see Sam Vokes give Wales a 1-0 over Azerbaijan, followed by thirteen thousand to watch Wales’ 2-0 win of Lichtenstein. Wales next two home qualifiers v Finland and Germany seen crowds of over twenty thousand at the Millennium. The two friendlies following that v Scotland at Cardiff City Stadium and Sweden at the Liberty stadium seen attendances falter once more to fourteen thousand then just little over eight thousand.


Wales’ 2012 Euro campaign seen us drawn in a group with England where Wales would lose infront of a near seventy thousand crowd at the Millenium, followed was a crown of little over eight thousand v Montenegro at Cardiff City Stadium. Inbetween that a crowd of just over six thousand watched Wales v Australia. Wales’ world cup qualifying campaign of 2014 seen crowds rarely break the twenty thousand mark. This was the beginning of the resurgence in Welsh football with Chris Coleman starting to find his feet towards the end of the campaign with a fantastic 1-1 draw with Belgium on their own patch. However, two friendlies following that weren’t met with the same enthusiasm as that result with just with Wales v Finland reaching just over eleven thousand and Wales v Iceland just over thirteen thousand.


Due to the success of the 2016 euro qualifying Wales’ games were heavily attended and seen the best consistent number of supporters returning to see their soon to be heroes. We all know how that ended.

Just to clarify this isn’t me saying that Ryan Giggs gave his all for the national team, after all after his international debut in 1991, Giggs didn’t attend a friendly international until some nine years later, after which he missed a further eighteen consecutive friendly games, which is very much poor on his part. I also don’t agree with people’s reasoning’s behind it, Ferguson being one, the success he was having for United the other, none of this wash’ with me either. To summarise what I’m trying to say is that Ryan Giggs might not have turned up for international friendlies as much as we’d like to see, but neither have the fans, granted it can be expensive to follow the national team, especially for north supporters travelling to Cardiff to watch friendly games. Giggs’ job was to be a footballer and yes he should have attended a lot more games, but his commitment during qualifying games can’t really be questioned by those fans who didn’t turn up to ‘meaningless friendlies’

As you were, by your own admission, a youngster when Giggs was playing you didn't experience the frustration as the talk and media attention around every game seemed to be whether Giggs would grace us with his presence. It turned into a circus every time and it was as almost a relief when he retired even though he was only 31.

The lift that Bale gives us is absolutely miles away from the lack of influence Giggs had on the team.

Be glad that you are around for the Bale era but don't confuse it with the Giggs era cos they're worlds apart

[welsh]

Nov 17, 2017 21:42:26 GMT dai said:

Nov 17, 2017 21:41:16 GMT welsh said:

Unfortunately not part of the FAW, far from it.

Are you sure now? Bit of a coincidence isn't it though?!

Let me guess you think the earths flat?

[dai]

Nov 17, 2017 22:00:42 GMT welsh said:

Nov 17, 2017 21:42:26 GMT dai said:

Are you sure now? Bit of a coincidence isn't it though?!

Let me guess you think the earths flat?

No, hollow.

[yanto]

I loved Giggs as a player and experienced many of his performances for us from the start. Yes it got frustrating with the friendlies but i think thiz built much later on. Its worth remembering the whole welsh footie thing was radically different on all levels. Undoubtedly, he is a hero to alot of the current squad and in my opinion this means an awful lot going forward I would rather consider the positives than the negatives and suggest its far more towards the former than latter.

[pendragon]

Nov 17, 2017 22:14:24 GMT yanto said:

I loved Giggs as a player and experienced many of his performances for us from the start. Yes it got frustrating with the friendlies but i think thiz built much later on. Its worth remembering the whole welsh footie thing was radically different on all levels. Undoubtedly, he is a hero to alot of the current squad and in my opinion this means an awful lot going forward I would rather consider the positives than the negatives and suggest its far more towards the former than latter.

Same. Whoever it is, I'll get behind him and the squad, no problem. This is a critical turning point. He is an unknown quantity in managerial terms and I won't say I'm not worried but there are potential positives; his brand, his youth, his experience as a player, the tactics he is likely to deploy, his ambition (which could also be to our advantage - it will be in his interests to see Wales succeed).

[iot]

Nov 17, 2017 21:34:39 GMT marsvolta said:

I wish people would stop talking about how many fans turn up for friendlies

All last week we had people asking why demand was less for the friendly against Panama than the crucial final winner takes all qualifier with Republic of Ireland.Really? You don't know? Have these people only been in football two minutes?

I've been following football for nearly 40 years and friendlies have always drawn smaller crowds than competitive games at every single level.

Are they confused as to why it is harder to get a ticket for the Spurs Arsenal North London derby tomorrow than it was for a pre- season friendly against Barnet? Are there any Arsenal fans scratching their head confused because tickets for the pre season friendly against Real Sociadad didn't sell out but they can't get a ticket for the Man Utd premier league game?
I'll give you the answer, it's no.Mainly because football fans in general accept that friendlies are more poorly attended than competitive games.AT EVERY LEVEL SINCE FOREVER.

Why everyone thinks Wales should be the team that breaks this fact I don't know

Usually agree with you, but not on this. Firstly, an international friendly should be treated with more respect than a club pre-season game - not least because there's only half a dozen international games per year! Secondly, of course there won't be as much interest, but only filling around 40% of a 30 thousand seater stadium after everything the team has given us recently is not good enough. They deserved more respect than that. It wasn't to do with the fact it was a friendly, if we had qualified we would have filled the stadium for that game. It was purely to do with the fickleness of our fans. 

[fiveattheback]

Nov 17, 2017 20:18:44 GMT joseywales37 said:

Nov 17, 2017 20:11:59 GMT gwernybwch said:

Eh? The reason that Bale and Ramsey are playing for Wales is because of Giggsy Wiggsy?
And passing on his football knowledge? You have seen him being a ITV football pundit right? You're read the rumours that were doing the rounds as to why he didn't the Swansea job (or any other managerial job for that matter)?

They have said their hero was indeed Ryan Giggs, you seriously telling me that someone who has won as much is not going to know anything ?

Aaron Ramsey's hero was Graham Kavanagh

[joseywales37]

Nov 18, 2017 0:07:07 GMT fiveattheback said:

Nov 17, 2017 20:18:44 GMT joseywales37 said:

They have said their hero was indeed Ryan Giggs, you seriously telling me that someone who has won as much is not going to know anything ?

Aaron Ramsey's hero was Graham Kavanagh

I think Tom Lawrence has also mentioned, well I know he has,  as Giggs gave him debut at Utd. But hearing the way Cookie talked about tells me all I need to know about what fellow professionals' who played alongside him for Wales thought about him and the way quite a big section of fans were clambering over each other to get photos when was walking into stadium on Speedos remembrance match says a lot too. 

[gwernybwch]

Nov 17, 2017 23:50:32 GMT @thewelshdragon9 said:

I understand the Giggs hate but what I don't understand is people who love James Collins and hate Giggs. It's completely hypocritical and can't be justified in anyway.

If you hate Giggs for pulling out of squads Collins did it as often.

If you wanna take the moral high ground atleast stick to it and not just fucking change your tune because James Collins is a charachter.


It can't be justified in anyway, yet there are hundreds of you who love Collins and hate Giggs. Because people love to follow the crowd its embarrassing. Sheeeeeeeep.

Hundreds of people love Collins? Where do you get that impression from? There was a significant thread on here slating in Collins.

Anyway that thought process can work both ways; if can overlook Giggs lack of commitment to his country, it means that you can't criticize anyone else that wasn't arsed about representing Wales.

[conwy10]

Nov 18, 2017 8:14:04 GMT gwernybwch said:

Nov 17, 2017 23:50:32 GMT @thewelshdragon9 said:

I understand the Giggs hate but what I don't understand is people who love James Collins and hate Giggs. It's completely hypocritical and can't be justified in anyway.

If you hate Giggs for pulling out of squads Collins did it as often.

If you wanna take the moral high ground atleast stick to it and not just fucking change your tune because James Collins is a charachter.


It can't be justified in anyway, yet there are hundreds of you who love Collins and hate Giggs. Because people love to follow the crowd its embarrassing. Sheeeeeeeep.

Hundreds of people love Collins? Where do you get that impression from? There was a significant thread on here slating in Collins.

Anyway that thought process can work both ways; if can overlook Giggs lack of commitment to his country, it means that you can't criticize anyone else that wasn't arsed about representing Wales.

We are a nation of millions so I guess a few hundred Collins fans isn't too far wrong.

[derynglas]

When a club the size uf Man U and a character like Alex Ferguson decide
they don want their player to play in friendlies its very difficult to
go against that.Perhaps we could have forced the issue but what was the point.
Giggs did have hamstring problems.Neither we or the player were strong enough
to stand up to Fergie and given that Giggs played till he was 42 perhaps
vindicated that.His commitment to Wales was fine in qualifiers IMO.

[yanto]

I think we are negating to consider things from a pros perspective and i honestly suspect the giggs friendly issue is a non issue and just seen as what good and top pros may do? I listened to Ellis James podcast other day and Ewan Roberts described how he pulled out of a wales game cos he effectively couldn't be arsed (this not what he actually said of course😁). Think about the way in which he eschews the whole passion for wales blah blah bit and it gives perspective that pros do all kinds of stuff which us fans look down on. But pros just see it as part of the job. Hence why this Giggs issue is bollox at least for the players they know its about the glory firstly. Whether you like it or not Giggs sees himself as welsh, and if given the chance he will want to do his best for whatever cause you want, country or personal.....same as every other pro.

[1gwaunview]

Might have to miss a few Wales games in future if a certain individual gets the job. Could be a pulled hamstring, groin strain or even haemorrhoids.

[conwy10]

Nov 18, 2017 11:04:31 GMT 1gwaunview said:

Might have to miss a few Wales games in future if a certain individual gets the job. Could be a pulled hamstring, groin strain or even haemorrhoids.

Or England or Salford City have a match. We're so far down his priority list I'm surprised this is even being considered.

[conwy10]

Nov 18, 2017 10:30:16 GMT yanto said:

I think we are negating to consider things from a pros perspective and i honestly suspect the giggs friendly issue is a non issue and just seen as what good and top pros may do? I listened to Ellis James podcast other day and Ewan Roberts described how he pulled out of a wales game cos he effectively couldn't be arsed (this not what he actually said of course😁). Think about the way in which he eschews the whole passion for wales blah blah bit and it gives perspective that pros do all kinds of stuff which us fans look down on. But pros just see it as part of the job. Hence why this Giggs issue is bollox at least for the players they know its about the glory firstly. Whether you like it or not Giggs sees himself as welsh, and if given the chance he will want to do his best for whatever cause you want, country or personal.....same as every other pro.

So why would we want someone who didn't think showing up to Wales was important as a manager? Ok we don't play friendlies too often anymore but what if people can't be bothered with the training camps? In my opinion if Giggs gets it Wales has sunk to a new low, it shows that by the fact people are scraping the barrel to find a positive.

[bale-droed]

The thing is all this is pointless. We all know he's already got the job. He's had it sorted for years. All bets should be off. Anyone who's a fan with half a brain doesn't want him but sadly the faw are the worst governing body of any association in the world and I include Tonga and American Samoa in that. We've had comments on here for at least 5 years from people who just know this undeserving tosser is next.

[marsvolta]

Nov 17, 2017 23:33:14 GMT iot said:

Nov 17, 2017 21:34:39 GMT marsvolta said:

I wish people would stop talking about how many fans turn up for friendlies

All last week we had people asking why demand was less for the friendly against Panama than the crucial final winner takes all qualifier with Republic of Ireland.Really? You don't know? Have these people only been in football two minutes?

I've been following football for nearly 40 years and friendlies have always drawn smaller crowds than competitive games at every single level.

Are they confused as to why it is harder to get a ticket for the Spurs Arsenal North London derby tomorrow than it was for a pre- season friendly against Barnet? Are there any Arsenal fans scratching their head confused because tickets for the pre season friendly against Real Sociadad didn't sell out but they can't get a ticket for the Man Utd premier league game?
I'll give you the answer, it's no.Mainly because football fans in general accept that friendlies are more poorly attended than competitive games.AT EVERY LEVEL SINCE FOREVER.

Why everyone thinks Wales should be the team that breaks this fact I don't know

Usually agree with you, but not on this. Firstly, an international friendly should be treated with more respect than a club pre-season game - not least because there's only half a dozen international games per year! Secondly, of course there won't be as much interest, but only filling around 40% of a 30 thousand seater stadium after everything the team has given us recently is not good enough. They deserved more respect than that. It wasn't to do with the fact it was a friendly, if we had qualified we would have filled the stadium for that game. It was purely to do with the fickleness of our fans. 

I get what you are saying but when someone compares the attendance of the qualifier against Italy with a friendly against Bosnia it's seems like they are either new to the game or totally delusional

[vandenhauwe]

Pritty obvious itl be g***s really don't want him but it is what it is and like under Bobby gould il support the team but not him!!

[joseywales37]

Nov 18, 2017 12:21:37 GMT bale-droed said:

The thing is all this is pointless. We all know he's already got the job. He's had it sorted for years. All bets should be off. Anyone who's a fan with half a brain doesn't want him but sadly the faw are the worst governing body of any association in the world and I include Tonga and American Samoa in that. We've had comments on here for at least 5 years from people who just know this undeserving tosser is next.

Sos man, disagree that its pointless really and not all of us are against Giggs. This thread is about what we think are the pros and cons of having someone like Giggs in charge. For me the pros outweigh the cons from a football point of view for certain. And the pros and cons so far are PROS - has had some managerial experience alongside the likes of Alex Ferguson and Louis Van Gaal (both of whom have said they think he could manage United), also acknowledged by Jose Mourinho, played at the highest level of club football for whole career winning every trophy available to him and therefore considered the most decorated player in british football history. Most of the Wales players of his generation and at least some of this generation have openly expressed their admiration for him. CONS- Didn't turn up for some friendlies (even though we know that wasn't always entirely his fault, which half the fans who have ever blasted him for it didn't either), Shagged his brothers missus (very bad, but nothing to do with football). Them scales are pretty heavy tipped on one side for me.