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Post by marsvolta on Nov 18, 2017 13:26:11 GMT
Has anyone considered that the attendances were poor partially because of Giggs apathy?
When Giggs pulled out he was more or less saying that it didn't matter cos it was only a friendly.
This then lead to managers of other clubs pulling players out cos 'it's just a meaningless friendly'
This indirectly sends a message to the fans that it doesn't matter if they don't turn up to watch what is essentially a Wales B team play friendly,with multiple substitutions, against a minor team.
I'm not saying 'it's all Giggs fault'. but at the same time people can't say that it's ok for Giggs not to turn up because the fans don't as it could be the other way around
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 18, 2017 14:06:41 GMT
I don't want Giggs anywhere near this Welsh team!!!
He couldn't care less about us (never has never will). His priorities have always been Man Utd and himself. He probs cares more bout Salford City than he does about Wales.
How could he preach to the players about commitment when his commitment was appalling.
The man should have reached at least 150 plus caps considering he began at 17 and played until almost 40yo. Instead he barely won 60 odd caps which is pathetic!!!
For me it's a massive NO!!!
No thanks Mr Giggs and hopefully the FAW see sense and keep him as far away from Wales as possible
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Post by yanto on Nov 18, 2017 14:28:20 GMT
I think we are negating to consider things from a pros perspective and i honestly suspect the giggs friendly issue is a non issue and just seen as what good and top pros may do? I listened to Ellis James podcast other day and Ewan Roberts described how he pulled out of a wales game cos he effectively couldn't be arsed (this not what he actually said of course😁). Think about the way in which he eschews the whole passion for wales blah blah bit and it gives perspective that pros do all kinds of stuff which us fans look down on. But pros just see it as part of the job. Hence why this Giggs issue is bollox at least for the players they know its about the glory firstly. Whether you like it or not Giggs sees himself as welsh, and if given the chance he will want to do his best for whatever cause you want, country or personal.....same as every other pro. So why would we want someone who didn't think showing up to Wales was important as a manager? Ok we don't play friendlies too often anymore but what if people can't be bothered with the training camps? In my opinion if Giggs gets it Wales has sunk to a new low, it shows that by the fact people are scraping the barrel to find a positive. No one can turn the clock back and no one knows whats Giggs thinks. What my post tried to highlight is that sport at this level is about ability and professinalism first, passion somewhere behind. We seem to hate giggs for effectively being super professional but overlook other players lack of it by going on the piss before games in the past because of a lack of professionalism. Arguably Giggs was one of the players who brought in a whole lot of high level standards that were absentvin the welsh set up. Listen to what the pros say about Giggs rather than the fans imho. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 18, 2017 15:17:22 GMT
So why would we want someone who didn't think showing up to Wales was important as a manager? Ok we don't play friendlies too often anymore but what if people can't be bothered with the training camps? In my opinion if Giggs gets it Wales has sunk to a new low, it shows that by the fact people are scraping the barrel to find a positive. No one can turn the clock back and no one knows whats Giggs thinks. What my post tried to highlight is that sport at this level is about ability and professinalism first, passion somewhere behind. We seem to hate giggs for effectively being super professional but overlook other players lack of it by going on the piss before games in the past because of a lack of professionalism. Arguably Giggs was one of the players who brought in a whole lot of high level standards that were absentvin the welsh set up. Listen to what the pros say about Giggs rather than the fans imho. Spot on matey |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 18, 2017 16:35:05 GMT
So why would we want someone who didn't think showing up to Wales was important as a manager? Ok we don't play friendlies too often anymore but what if people can't be bothered with the training camps? In my opinion if Giggs gets it Wales has sunk to a new low, it shows that by the fact people are scraping the barrel to find a positive. No one can turn the clock back and no one knows whats Giggs thinks. What my post tried to highlight is that sport at this level is about ability and professinalism first, passion somewhere behind. We seem to hate giggs for effectively being super professional but overlook other players lack of it by going on the piss before games in the past because of a lack of professionalism. Arguably Giggs was one of the players who brought in a whole lot of high level standards that were absentvin the welsh set up. Listen to what the pros say about Giggs rather than the fans imho. I've never heard anyone say that they hate Giggs because of he is super professional,what a strange thing to post!??!! |
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Post by hookd on Nov 18, 2017 16:56:47 GMT
We doesn't everyone grow up? You want someone like Bellamy or Hartson instead? Giggs is a miles better choice than them. You think we'll get someone better for the couple of hundred grand we would offer? Well I've got news for you - whatever he says Coleman is a Welsh patriot but there is no doubting that he went to Sunderland for the money. We will not be getting anyone very good given the money we could offer.
Lets all get behind Giggs. He did much more for us than the likes of Gunter on the field in terms of impact. Whatever you say quality always counts and at least he sprayed it upon us for 60 odd competitive games when we were for the most part poor. Makes me sick to think most of you will wait for any opportunity to have a go at him over any loss or mistake. I want Wales to win and will support rather than hinder him.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 18, 2017 17:00:13 GMT
The thing is all this is pointless. We all know he's already got the job. He's had it sorted for years. All bets should be off. Anyone who's a fan with half a brain doesn't want him but sadly the faw are the worst governing body of any association in the world and I include Tonga and American Samoa in that. We've had comments on here for at least 5 years from people who just know this undeserving tosser is next. Sos man, disagree that its pointless really and not all of us are against Giggs. This thread is about what we think are the pros and cons of having someone like Giggs in charge. For me the pros outweigh the cons from a football point of view for certain. And the pros and cons so far are PROS - has had some managerial experience alongside the likes of Alex Ferguson and Louis Van Gaal (both of whom have said they think he could manage United), also acknowledged by Jose Mourinho, played at the highest level of club football for whole career winning every trophy available to him and therefore considered the most decorated player in british football history. Most of the Wales players of his generation and at least some of this generation have openly expressed their admiration for him. CONS- Didn't turn up for some friendlies (even though we know that wasn't always entirely his fault, which half the fans who have ever blasted him for it didn't either), Shagged his brothers missus (very bad, but nothing to do with football). Them scales are pretty heavy tipped on one side for me. CONS - Evidentially he learnt f**k all about football management whilst playing under Alex Ferguson and assisting Louis Van Gaal. Rated by Ferguson as a potential successor (Ferguson great at spotting players, rubbish at spotting future managers). Van Gaal had no choice but to have him as part of his coaching team. Mourinho couldn't wait to get rid of him. Unwilling to work with the junior team, unwilling to accept anything less than a Premier League managerial job. Talks about England as "us" and "we". You want some potential PROS for Giggs as Manager? OK here goes. He becomes the 'front', 'figurehead' for the FAW. When it all goes tits up. Giggs gets the blame, not the FAW board. He can market the Wales brand overseas. He will temporarily put bums on seats (even for friendlies) as I'm sure that many of the 30+ year olds that could get to Bordeaux but couldn't get to Panama game, might come back in the short-term. Most importantly he will let Osian and the team get on with the important work of coaching and preparing the team ready for the games. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 18, 2017 17:10:23 GMT
We doesn't everyone grow up? You want someone like Bellamy or Hartson instead? Giggs is a miles better choice than them. You think we'll get someone better for the couple of hundred grand we would offer? Well I've got news for you - whatever he says Coleman is a Welsh patriot but there is no doubting that he went to Sunderland for the money. We will not be getting anyone very good given the money we could offer. Lets all get behind Giggs. He did much more for us than the likes of Gunter on the field in terms of impact. Whatever you say quality always counts and at least he sprayed it upon us for 60 odd competitive games when we were for the most part poor. Makes me sick to think most of you will wait for any opportunity to have a go at him over any loss or mistake. I want Wales to win and will support rather than hinder him. How is Giggs a miles better choice than Bellamy? You have to watch the punditary work of Bellamy in comparison to Giggs. Bellamy analysis shows that he has a good understanding of the tactical game, Giggs comments show that he is just an airhead (I'm not suggesting that Bellamy is the right person for the job either). Can't remember remember Giggs putting in a cross in the quarter final of the European Championship. The impact of players of Gunter, Robinson (Carl and John) is as much off the field as on it. They turn up (yes take 12 hour flights), show passion, pride and desire in their country. |
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Post by hookd on Nov 18, 2017 17:12:10 GMT
I hope he does not read this board!
What is wrong with you all? Talk about haters? If he knew he was playing for you lot he would have jacked it in at 17!
Coleman ditched us, Hughes ditched us. It always comes down to money / advancement at some point. Giggs not turning out in meaningless friendless probably prolonged his career and earned him millions of pounds. I never realised there were so many angels on these boards who would always put a (typically) failing football team ahead of everything else - money, club, family life, etc. It comes down to a combination of jealousy and subsequent scahenfreude.
Sure Giggs will want to do something with Wales in part to secure a good club gig but guess what - that is what everyone else does. The only one I can no say that about is the guy who is unfortunately not with us. He probably earned more for Sheffield Utd than he did for us - but he is unique and there is hardly anyone like him is there?
I tell you one thing - put angry Bellamy or unqualified Hartson ahead of Giggs then we will be risking the likes of Ampadu and Brooks defecting. Please do not make things difficult for Giggs otherwise he will be doomed to fail before he begins.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2017 17:25:49 GMT
So why would we want someone who didn't think showing up to Wales was important as a manager? Ok we don't play friendlies too often anymore but what if people can't be bothered with the training camps? In my opinion if Giggs gets it Wales has sunk to a new low, it shows that by the fact people are scraping the barrel to find a positive. No one can turn the clock back and no one knows whats Giggs thinks. What my post tried to highlight is that sport at this level is about ability and professinalism first, passion somewhere behind. We seem to hate giggs for effectively being super professional but overlook other players lack of it by going on the piss before games in the past because of a lack of professionalism. Arguably Giggs was one of the players who brought in a whole lot of high level standards that were absentvin the welsh set up. Listen to what the pros say about Giggs rather than the fans imho. I'm not aware of players going drinking before games, but anyone who did that I'd be 100% against as I am with Giggs. I've made mistakes as well, but you have to weigh up the choices you make at the time because like it or not it will stay with you. Giggs had the ability, if he had the passion as well we would all be calling for him to get the job. You think he'd learn but even now he's still showing zero commitment to Wales, he's shown up to more England friendlies then he did for Wales. Seriously people why do we want him? It's like being a guy who's waiting to be with a girl who only wanted to see you when she could be bothered, she's always there to give advice on how great a guy down the street is. If he wanted the job, sell yourself to Wales, go commentate on matches, get spotted in the stands, go to charity events on the FAW's behalf. Not sit in a studio for England moaning that he can't walk into a high profile job. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2017 17:30:47 GMT
I hope he does not read this board! What is wrong with you all? Talk about haters? If he knew he was playing for you lot he would have jacked it in at 17! Coleman ditched us, Hughes ditched us. It always comes down to money / advancement at some point. Giggs not turning out in meaningless friendless probably prolonged his career and earned him millions of pounds. I never realised there were so many angels on these boards who would always put a (typically) failing football team ahead of everything else - money, club, family life, etc. It comes down to a combination of jealousy and subsequent scahenfreude. Sure Giggs will want to do something with Wales in part to secure a good club gig but guess what - that is what everyone else does. The only one I can no say that about is the guy who is unfortunately not with us. He probably earned more for Sheffield Utd than he did for us - but he is unique and there is hardly anyone like him is there? I tell you one thing - put angry Bellamy or unqualified Hartson ahead of Giggs then we will be risking the likes of Ampadu and Brooks defecting. Please do not make things difficult for Giggs otherwise he will be doomed to fail before he begins. If he read this as a 17 year old maybe he'd bother to show up. No ones telling Giggs what to do. Prioritise your family, look after your body by missing friendlies if you need to, you only got one life do what makes you happy. But if he makes those decisions don't expect Wales to show the commitment to you you never showed us. If we're looking to appoint a manager why pick the guy who wouldn't prioritise Wales when there would have been 20 in the same squad who did? |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 18, 2017 17:40:07 GMT
I hope he does not read this board! What is wrong with you all? Talk about haters? If he knew he was playing for you lot he would have jacked it in at 17! Coleman ditched us, Hughes ditched us. It always comes down to money / advancement at some point. Giggs not turning out in meaningless friendless probably prolonged his career and earned him millions of pounds. I never realised there were so many angels on these boards who would always put a (typically) failing football team ahead of everything else - money, club, family life, etc. It comes down to a combination of jealousy and subsequent scahenfreude. Sure Giggs will want to do something with Wales in part to secure a good club gig but guess what - that is what everyone else does. The only one I can no say that about is the guy who is unfortunately not with us. He probably earned more for Sheffield Utd than he did for us - but he is unique and there is hardly anyone like him is there? I tell you one thing - put angry Bellamy or unqualified Hartson ahead of Giggs then we will be risking the likes of Ampadu and Brooks defecting. Please do not make things difficult for Giggs otherwise he will be doomed to fail before he begins. Believe me he won't be a popular choice amongst many fans, and will be given little leeway before the atmosphere at Wales games turns toxic if we start going backwards. I'll back the team to the hilt but not someone who never seemed 100% committed to the cause. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 18, 2017 17:46:14 GMT
Can you really believe giggs won't put 100% in managing Wales? He been professional footballer for United committed to winning... why doubt he wouldn't as manager over the friendly games issue.
Giggs and bellemy dream Team??? Or nightmare
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 17:49:39 GMT
One ironic factor in Giggs's favour is, out of all the realistic candidates, he's earnt far more money as a player and is perhaps less likely to jump ship for a Sunderland-eque job...
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 18, 2017 17:54:28 GMT
Sos man, disagree that its pointless really and not all of us are against Giggs. This thread is about what we think are the pros and cons of having someone like Giggs in charge. For me the pros outweigh the cons from a football point of view for certain. And the pros and cons so far are PROS - has had some managerial experience alongside the likes of Alex Ferguson and Louis Van Gaal (both of whom have said they think he could manage United), also acknowledged by Jose Mourinho, played at the highest level of club football for whole career winning every trophy available to him and therefore considered the most decorated player in british football history. Most of the Wales players of his generation and at least some of this generation have openly expressed their admiration for him. CONS- Didn't turn up for some friendlies (even though we know that wasn't always entirely his fault, which half the fans who have ever blasted him for it didn't either), Shagged his brothers missus (very bad, but nothing to do with football). Them scales are pretty heavy tipped on one side for me. CONS - Evidentially he learnt f**k all about football management whilst playing under Alex Ferguson and assisting Louis Van Gaal. Rated by Ferguson as a potential successor (Ferguson great at spotting players, rubbish at spotting future managers). Van Gaal had no choice but to have him as part of his coaching team. Mourinho couldn't wait to get rid of him. Unwilling to work with the junior team, unwilling to accept anything less than a Premier League managerial job. Talks about England as "us" and "we". You want some potential PROS for Giggs as Manager? OK here goes. He becomes the 'front', 'figurehead' for the FAW. When it all goes tits up. Giggs gets the blame, not the FAW board. He can market the Wales brand overseas. He will temporarily put bums on seats (even for friendlies) as I'm sure that many of the 30+ year olds that could get to Bordeaux but couldn't get to Panama game, might come back in the short-term. Most importantly he will let Osian and the team get on with the important work of coaching and preparing the team ready for the games. What are you basing your info on Giggs not having no managerial knowledge ?, Van Gaal has repeatedly spoken about him as a possible manager and as for Fergie , how many former players is that now in premier league ?, successful or not, they don't get them jobs through having no knowledge and Ronaldo aside, Giggs was arguably his best player. I am not so sure that the bums will be on seats in first few friendlies as some of the more fickle Wales support, its like pissing in the wind trying to get them to get over the friendly thing that happened years ago, the womanising thing and the he said "we" at an England football programme even though Cookie did too (I wish they didn't mind as well, but its not really the end of the world is it), can you imagine overhearing any of the new lads with dual nationality saying that, are we going to slay them for it, I don't like the thought of it as I hate England with a passion, but I always appreciated the fact that Giggs had possible national possibilities but chose us and can see what he could bring to us in future. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2017 18:04:43 GMT
Can you really believe giggs won't put 100% in managing Wales? He been professional footballer for United committed to winning... why doubt he wouldn't as manager over the friendly games issue. Giggs and bellemy dream Team??? Or nightmare I really don't know and I can only base my opinions on what I've seen of him and Wales so far. Maybe he will, maybe he'll lead Wales to Euros and World Cups but I really don't see it happening. It's not the only reason, but it's my biggest concern and friendlies aside I've just not seen him giving an interview, attending a game, representing Wales in anything. I wouldn't want Bellamy either to be honest, I think he's too passionate to have a clear head to make decisions. He has done everything Giggs hasn't but I just can't see it working out. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2017 18:14:07 GMT
CONS - Evidentially he learnt f**k all about football management whilst playing under Alex Ferguson and assisting Louis Van Gaal. Rated by Ferguson as a potential successor (Ferguson great at spotting players, rubbish at spotting future managers). Van Gaal had no choice but to have him as part of his coaching team. Mourinho couldn't wait to get rid of him. Unwilling to work with the junior team, unwilling to accept anything less than a Premier League managerial job. Talks about England as "us" and "we". You want some potential PROS for Giggs as Manager? OK here goes. He becomes the 'front', 'figurehead' for the FAW. When it all goes tits up. Giggs gets the blame, not the FAW board. He can market the Wales brand overseas. He will temporarily put bums on seats (even for friendlies) as I'm sure that many of the 30+ year olds that could get to Bordeaux but couldn't get to Panama game, might come back in the short-term. Most importantly he will let Osian and the team get on with the important work of coaching and preparing the team ready for the games. What are you basing your info on Giggs not having no managerial knowledge ?, Van Gaal has repeatedly spoken about him as a possible manager and as for Fergie , how many former players is that now in premier league ?, successful or not, they don't get them jobs through having no knowledge and Ronaldo aside, Giggs was arguably his best player. I am not so sure that the bums will be on seats in first few friendlies as some of the more fickle Wales support, its like pissing in the wind trying to get them to get over the friendly thing that happened years ago, the womanising thing and the he said "we" at an England football programme even though Cookie did too (I wish they didn't mind as well, but its not really the end of the world is it), can you imagine overhearing any of the new lads with dual nationality saying that, are we going to slay them for it, I don't like the thought of it as I hate England with a passion, but I always appreciated the fact that Giggs had possible national possibilities but chose us and can see what he could bring to us in future. I appreciated everything Giggs did when he pulled on a Welsh shirt. Even if he does get given the job I'll be really annoyed but I'll be there good or bad, I imagine you will, so would everyone else on this message board. I wouldn't think anyone on here is fickle, it's Saturday night and we're debating who should get the Wales manager job, it doesn't get any more committed than that. |
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Post by yanto on Nov 18, 2017 18:19:39 GMT
No one can turn the clock back and no one knows whats Giggs thinks. What my post tried to highlight is that sport at this level is about ability and professinalism first, passion somewhere behind. We seem to hate giggs for effectively being super professional but overlook other players lack of it by going on the piss before games in the past because of a lack of professionalism. Arguably Giggs was one of the players who brought in a whole lot of high level standards that were absentvin the welsh set up. Listen to what the pros say about Giggs rather than the fans imho. I'm not aware of players going drinking before games, but anyone who did that I'd be 100% against as I am with Giggs. I've made mistakes as well, but you have to weigh up the choices you make at the time because like it or not it will stay with you. Giggs had the ability, if he had the passion as well we would all be calling for him to get the job. You think he'd learn but even now he's still showing zero commitment to Wales, he's shown up to more England friendlies then he did for Wales. Seriously people why do we want him? It's like being a guy who's waiting to be with a girl who only wanted to see you when she could be bothered, she's always there to give advice on how great a guy down the street is. If he wanted the job, sell yourself to Wales, go commentate on matches, get spotted in the stands, go to charity events on the FAW's behalf. Not sit in a studio for England moaning that he can't walk into a high profile job. The drinking the night before a game was talked about by i think Mark Aiselwood prior to our away game against Georgia I think, he said it in the context of the current welsh team being far more prepared than thay were as they knew fuck all about Georgia and had been led,to believe they could just turn up and win, so they went out drinking the night befcore. Thats the culture that Giggs walked into. |
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Post by yanto on Nov 18, 2017 18:22:22 GMT
No one can turn the clock back and no one knows whats Giggs thinks. What my post tried to highlight is that sport at this level is about ability and professinalism first, passion somewhere behind. We seem to hate giggs for effectively being super professional but overlook other players lack of it by going on the piss before games in the past because of a lack of professionalism. Arguably Giggs was one of the players who brought in a whole lot of high level standards that were absentvin the welsh set up. Listen to what the pros say about Giggs rather than the fans imho. I've never heard anyone say that they hate Giggs because of he is super professional,what a strange thing to post!??!! I assume you're being ironic m8? His professionalism kept him away from 'meaningless' friendlies is what i am saying. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 18, 2017 18:25:08 GMT
What are you basing your info on Giggs not having no managerial knowledge ?, Van Gaal has repeatedly spoken about him as a possible manager and as for Fergie , how many former players is that now in premier league ?, successful or not, they don't get them jobs through having no knowledge and Ronaldo aside, Giggs was arguably his best player. I am not so sure that the bums will be on seats in first few friendlies as some of the more fickle Wales support, its like pissing in the wind trying to get them to get over the friendly thing that happened years ago, the womanising thing and the he said "we" at an England football programme even though Cookie did too (I wish they didn't mind as well, but its not really the end of the world is it), can you imagine overhearing any of the new lads with dual nationality saying that, are we going to slay them for it, I don't like the thought of it as I hate England with a passion, but I always appreciated the fact that Giggs had possible national possibilities but chose us and can see what he could bring to us in future. I appreciated everything Giggs did when he pulled on a Welsh shirt. Even if he does get given the job I'll be really annoyed but I'll be there good or bad, I imagine you will, so would everyone else on this message board. I wouldn't think anyone on here is fickle, it's Saturday night and we're debating who should get the Wales manager job, it doesn't get any more committed than that. If he does get it, lets just get behind him innit, its about football and us getting to tournament again. Fair play to you, you would give him chance but there been some saying they wouldn't turn up or would just wait for failure. And aye Saturday night and we on here we defo hardcore lol |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 18, 2017 18:32:05 GMT
I know aye, what would he know lol, best part is pic clearly shows Giggs in assistant manager role lol |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 18, 2017 18:33:16 GMT
And do players want him? Hope the fuck he doesn't get managers job and insist on playing at the mellinium stadium this forum would explode |
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 18, 2017 18:46:38 GMT
Have you seen the context of why he said that. It in a direct question as to how he thought Giggs would be as the Manager. I think that OR would say similarly positive things if he was asked a direct question about the suitability of Robinson, Henry or even Bellamy. Strange comment of "experience does not guarantee success" though. As a student of performance management I would have thought that he believed in the maxim of "the best predictor of future performance is past performance". |
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Post by vandenhauwe on Nov 18, 2017 19:04:44 GMT
This thread just proves how much giggs splits our fans...
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 18, 2017 19:13:35 GMT
If Giggs becomes manager and enjoys success then people will tolerate him and even enjoy it, if he doesn't they will feel justified.
Irrespective of whom is appointed some will always have a better candidate.
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Post by llyn on Nov 18, 2017 19:18:33 GMT
Not a great fan of Giggs for manager but looks like we could do far worse and with regards to Giggs let's get some balance.
As has been stated from the player's perspective I would hazard a guess that he could be their choice. Compared with Pulis does anyone seriously think Pulis would be a bigger draw for young players and Ramsey (Stoke - leg break)?
Giggs is easily one of the best players I have seen for Wales and in many of these games he put in an amazing shift. For example, I seem to recall against Italy at Afield.
As far as fans not currently being totally enamoured with Giggs, let's remember that it was not until we drew with Belgium in the Euro qualifiers that all the fans started to fully back Coleman. By my calculations that means that for nearly half his reign many of us us perceptive fans thought Coleman should go.
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Post by georgetm1 on Nov 18, 2017 19:19:46 GMT
Aside from the disrespect he showed Wales by not playing a friendly for 9 consecutive years, does anyone want a scumbag who fucked his brothers wife behind his back for eight fucking years? Because I wouldn't want anyone like that anywhere near our national team because it shows how much of a selfish, unempathetic prick he truly is.
Think about what this arsehole did to his own family. He is a fucking disgrace and I won't be supporting him if he gets the job.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2017 19:25:23 GMT
I'm not aware of players going drinking before games, but anyone who did that I'd be 100% against as I am with Giggs. I've made mistakes as well, but you have to weigh up the choices you make at the time because like it or not it will stay with you. Giggs had the ability, if he had the passion as well we would all be calling for him to get the job. You think he'd learn but even now he's still showing zero commitment to Wales, he's shown up to more England friendlies then he did for Wales. Seriously people why do we want him? It's like being a guy who's waiting to be with a girl who only wanted to see you when she could be bothered, she's always there to give advice on how great a guy down the street is. If he wanted the job, sell yourself to Wales, go commentate on matches, get spotted in the stands, go to charity events on the FAW's behalf. Not sit in a studio for England moaning that he can't walk into a high profile job. The drinking the night before a game was talked about by i think Mark Aiselwood prior to our away game against Georgia I think, he said it in the context of the current welsh team being far more prepared than thay were as they knew fuck all about Georgia and had been led,to believe they could just turn up and win, so they went out drinking the night befcore. Thats the culture that Giggs walked into. That's news to me, amazing what could go on behind the set up. Glad that's over now and we're more professional about things. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 18, 2017 19:26:12 GMT
Aside from the disrespect he showed Wales by not playing a friendly for 9 consecutive years, does anyone want a scumbag who fucked his brothers wife behind his back for eight fucking years? Because I wouldn't want anyone like that anywhere near our national team because it shows how much of a selfish, unempathetic prick he truly is. Think about what this arsehole did to his own family. He is a fucking disgrace and I won't be supporting him if he gets the job. If it gives us a better chance of keeping Ampadu and Brooks in the set up, then yes. |
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