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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2017 19:38:35 GMT
I appreciated everything Giggs did when he pulled on a Welsh shirt. Even if he does get given the job I'll be really annoyed but I'll be there good or bad, I imagine you will, so would everyone else on this message board. I wouldn't think anyone on here is fickle, it's Saturday night and we're debating who should get the Wales manager job, it doesn't get any more committed than that. If he does get it, lets just get behind him innit, its about football and us getting to tournament again. Fair play to you, you would give him chance but there been some saying they wouldn't turn up or would just wait for failure. And aye Saturday night and we on here we defo hardcore lol I think a lot of what people say on here is their opinions times by 10, in my case it certainly is anyway. People will be annoyed, probably tweet and write a Facebook status but I just can't believe anyone when they say they wouldn't want Wales to succeed. I'd cheer for Robert Mugabe if he got given the Wales job and got us to the Euro's. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 18, 2017 19:40:06 GMT
If he does get it, lets just get behind him innit, its about football and us getting to tournament again. Fair play to you, you would give him chance but there been some saying they wouldn't turn up or would just wait for failure. And aye Saturday night and we on here we defo hardcore lol I think a lot of what people say on here is their opinions times by 10, in my case it certainly is anyway. People will be annoyed, probably tweet and write a Facebook status but I just can't believe anyone when they say they wouldn't want Wales to succeed. I'd cheer for Robert Mugabe if he got given the Wales job and got us to the Euro's. lol he out of a jobs now as well isn't he  |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 18, 2017 19:44:09 GMT
Aside from the disrespect he showed Wales by not playing a friendly for 9 consecutive years, does anyone want a scumbag who fucked his brothers wife behind his back for eight fucking years? Because I wouldn't want anyone like that anywhere near our national team because it shows how much of a selfish, unempathetic prick he truly is. Think about what this arsehole did to his own family. He is a fucking disgrace and I won't be supporting him if he gets the job. That's a personal thing and should not be an issue in football terms. Whilst I agree it not nice etc, there are many fans who have done wrong and many sports people who have done wrong. Come on man lets just get behind the team mun innit |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 18, 2017 20:06:10 GMT
His appointment would be controversial for the reasons already stated.
There's an argument for having anyone as long as we keep improving, but what happens if we don't? My point is that Giggs wouldn't get much leeway from a large proportion of fans if that were to happen, and you can guess what the chants would be like.
If he gives a fine interview for the job and a blueprint for the future then great. I have my doubts on that, and would prefer either an appointment from within (e.g. Rob Page, Osian) to smooth the transition or someone with more experience to move our talented young team forward .
At the end of the day it'll be the FAW who decides, and God knows what that will bring!
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 18, 2017 21:18:47 GMT
This thread just proves how much giggs splits our fans... He does split the fans and I'm as anti-Giggs as they come but if he gets the job he'll have my 100% support, as will whoever gets the job. |
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 18, 2017 21:30:13 GMT
CONS - Evidentially he learnt f**k all about football management whilst playing under Alex Ferguson and assisting Louis Van Gaal. Rated by Ferguson as a potential successor (Ferguson great at spotting players, rubbish at spotting future managers). Van Gaal had no choice but to have him as part of his coaching team. Mourinho couldn't wait to get rid of him. Unwilling to work with the junior team, unwilling to accept anything less than a Premier League managerial job. Talks about England as "us" and "we".
You want some potential PROS for Giggs as Manager? OK here goes.
He becomes the 'front', 'figurehead' for the FAW. When it all goes tits up. Giggs gets the blame, not the FAW board. He can market the Wales brand overseas. He will temporarily put bums on seats (even for friendlies) as I'm sure that many of the 30+ year olds that could get to Bordeaux but couldn't get to Panama game, might come back in the short-term. Most importantly he will let Osian and the team get on with the important work of coaching and preparing the team ready for the games.
Poorest post i've read on here and that takes some beating!!!
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2017 22:06:25 GMT
CONS - Evidentially he learnt f**k all about football management whilst playing under Alex Ferguson and assisting Louis Van Gaal. Rated by Ferguson as a potential successor (Ferguson great at spotting players, rubbish at spotting future managers). Van Gaal had no choice but to have him as part of his coaching team. Mourinho couldn't wait to get rid of him. Unwilling to work with the junior team, unwilling to accept anything less than a Premier League managerial job. Talks about England as "us" and "we". You want some potential PROS for Giggs as Manager? OK here goes. He becomes the 'front', 'figurehead' for the FAW. When it all goes tits up. Giggs gets the blame, not the FAW board. He can market the Wales brand overseas. He will temporarily put bums on seats (even for friendlies) as I'm sure that many of the 30+ year olds that could get to Bordeaux but couldn't get to Panama game, might come back in the short-term. Most importantly he will let Osian and the team get on with the important work of coaching and preparing the team ready for the games. Poorest post i've read on here and that takes some beating!!! What part of it is wrong though? |
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Post by yanto on Nov 18, 2017 23:11:13 GMT
This thread just proves how much giggs splits our fans... He does split the fans and I'm as anti-Giggs as they come but if he gets the job he'll have my 100% support, as will whoever gets the job. No more of a split in opinion than Cookie was for a long time, as others have stated already a large part of users on this forum were very vocal in wanting him out for a long time. |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 19, 2017 0:13:48 GMT
He does split the fans and I'm as anti-Giggs as they come but if he gets the job he'll have my 100% support, as will whoever gets the job. No more of a split in opinion than Cookie was for a long time, as others have stated already a large part of users on this forum were very vocal in wanting him out for a long time. Yes true, some were against him right til the end. |
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Post by vandenhauwe on Nov 19, 2017 8:11:54 GMT
Much less of a split then when coleman got appointed everyone who I've spoke to and there's been a lot the few days who go away all the time don't want giggs!!There's no real split there's a small minority who want him and there's a fair majority who don't want him!!
Dragonsoccer ran a poll on twitter and it was a landslide against giggs.Doesn't matter what any of us think it's pritty much nailed on it will be giggs!!Faw and Ian gwyn hughes will have a hard time trying to sell him to the fans.Meet and greets with fans will be fun with him guy has zero personality!
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 19, 2017 8:42:23 GMT
I don’t hate him, I just don’t think he is the man to take us forward.
Outside of being Welsh, what credentials does he have? It would be a jump into the unknown like Hughes was.
If we were to take such a course again I would rather see Bellamy or Robinson. Both inspire me a bit more when they speak rather than Giggs despite all the trophies he has won as a player.
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Post by georgetm1 on Nov 19, 2017 9:21:20 GMT
Aside from the disrespect he showed Wales by not playing a friendly for 9 consecutive years, does anyone want a scumbag who fucked his brothers wife behind his back for eight fucking years? Because I wouldn't want anyone like that anywhere near our national team because it shows how much of a selfish, unempathetic prick he truly is. Think about what this arsehole did to his own family. He is a fucking disgrace and I won't be supporting him if he gets the job. If it gives us a better chance of keeping Ampadu and Brooks in the set up, then yes. In all honesty, I think that was down to Osian Roberts more than Coleman. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 19, 2017 10:07:45 GMT
Much less of a split then when coleman got appointed everyone who I've spoke to and there's been a lot the few days who go away all the time don't want giggs!!There's no real split there's a small minority who want him and there's a fair majority who don't want him!! Dragonsoccer ran a poll on twitter and it was a landslide against giggs.Doesn't matter what any of us think it's pritty much nailed on it will be giggs!!Faw and Ian gwyn hughes will have a hard time trying to sell him to the fans.Meet and greets with fans will be fun with him guy has zero personality! Personally I would say it is the other way around; there is a small minority of fans - mostly the hard core fans - that don't want him, and a fair majority of 'fans' i.e. the armchair fans, bandwaggoners and journalists that want him. If he is appointed, I don't think that he will be doing the Coleman style football clubhouse question and answer type session, more the media / sponsors / widening the brand type sessions that he is more used to. I don't think that IGH will have a hard time selling it at all. All that is needed are regular non-descript media interviews and Abbandonato et al will do the rest of the selling for them. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 19, 2017 10:20:10 GMT
Much less of a split then when coleman got appointed everyone who I've spoke to and there's been a lot the few days who go away all the time don't want giggs!!There's no real split there's a small minority who want him and there's a fair majority who don't want him!! Dragonsoccer ran a poll on twitter and it was a landslide against giggs.Doesn't matter what any of us think it's pritty much nailed on it will be giggs!!Faw and Ian gwyn hughes will have a hard time trying to sell him to the fans.Meet and greets with fans will be fun with him guy has zero personality! Personally I would say it is the other way around; there is a small minority of fans - mostly the hard core fans - that don't want him, and a fair majority of 'fans' i.e. the armchair fans, bandwaggoners and journalists that want him. If he is appointed, I don't think that he will be doing the Coleman style football clubhouse question and answer type session, more the media / sponsors / widening the brand type sessions that he is more used to. I don't think that IGH will have a hard time selling it at all. All that is needed are regular non-descript media interviews and Abbandonato et al will do the rest of the selling for them. Hey no need for that. armchair supporter 🤔 😁 |
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Post by vandenhauwe on Nov 19, 2017 11:06:18 GMT
Much less of a split then when coleman got appointed everyone who I've spoke to and there's been a lot the few days who go away all the time don't want giggs!!There's no real split there's a small minority who want him and there's a fair majority who don't want him!! Dragonsoccer ran a poll on twitter and it was a landslide against giggs.Doesn't matter what any of us think it's pritty much nailed on it will be giggs!!Faw and Ian gwyn hughes will have a hard time trying to sell him to the fans.Meet and greets with fans will be fun with him guy has zero personality! Personally I would say it is the other way around; there is a small minority of fans - mostly the hard core fans - that don't want him, and a fair majority of 'fans' i.e. the armchair fans, bandwaggoners and journalists that want him. If he is appointed, I don't think that he will be doing the Coleman style football clubhouse question and answer type session, more the media / sponsors / widening the brand type sessions that he is more used to. I don't think that IGH will have a hard time selling it at all. All that is needed are regular non-descript media interviews and Abbandonato et al will do the rest of the selling for them. Yea possibly you're rite.problem with that is if we dip again in form all that's left is the hardcore!! |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 19, 2017 12:44:50 GMT
I apologise if this has been posted somewhere on here before (I'm too lazy to scroll through all the comments lol). Has anyone seen this article? www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42038653It's really interesting in terms of giving insight into the FAW negotiations with Coleman. If this article is to be believed, then I am so heartened to know that the FAW are not the dinosaurs of old and pulled out every possible stop to keep him. The final crunch was his own salary that they just couldn't match and they were disappointed to have to let him go. The other observation I take from it is Osian's comments about Giggs himself. When he says, "I'd like to think he'll be a good Manager", I see it as him potentially signalling his own disquiet. But he also references Speed (needless to say, I don't think Giggs' circumstances coming in as potential manager, would be anywhere near as difficult as that of Coleman or even Speed when they both did). There's another way to look at it. Osian references Giggs' managerial inexperience but also says that Giggs' experience as a player was second to none. Maybe he's trying to smooth any obstacles for a potential Giggs appointment. There's not many better qualified to do that than Coleman's very popular no. 2. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 19, 2017 13:37:01 GMT
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Post by haruki on Nov 19, 2017 15:16:24 GMT
Most important thing in my mind is keeping Osian, if he wants Giggs then I'll accept his choice
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Nov 19, 2017 16:09:54 GMT
Post by oscardelta on Nov 19, 2017 16:09:54 GMT
Find it somewhat puzzling in hearing comments that somehow Giggs will not have picked up any of the managerial skills from working with Englands most successful manager ever.
Their is a reason Alex Ferguson is held in high regard by managers coming through, he knew who they were, attended FA coaching sessions and training programs and was quite happy to pick up the phone to new managers coming through to offer to assist.
David Moyes at Preston was one of those managers coming through and he got offered help and assistance way before Man Utd gig game up.
Phil Brown at Hull after he became a manager figured he was being pranked when he got a call from Fergie after he took over job. Shocked his name was even known but then found out that Fergie did it for lots of up and coming managers to offer help and assistance.
One only has to look at the number of Ex Man Utd players who went into management, some successful, some not. They got the help, assistance and support behind it. Doubt Giggs would be any different.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 19, 2017 16:18:25 GMT
Find it somewhat puzzling in hearing comments that somehow Giggs will not have picked up any of the managerial skills from working with Englands most successful manager ever. Their is a reason Alex Ferguson is held in high regard by managers coming through, he knew who they were, attended FA coaching sessions and training programs and was quite happy to pick up the phone to new managers coming through to offer to assist. David Moyes at Preston was one of those managers coming through and he got offered help and assistance way before Man Utd gig game up. Phil Brown at Hull after he became a manager figured he was being pranked when he got a call from Fergie after he took over job. Shocked his name was even known but then found out that Fergie did it for lots of up and coming managers to offer help and assistance. One only has to look at the number of Ex Man Utd players who went into management, some successful, some not. They got the help, assistance and support behind it. Doubt Giggs would be any different. I have to agree with that tbh. Someone else on another thread also pointed out his connections with Ferguson and how that could benefit him in this role. We could make some capital of his brand too lol.. Ultimately, if he has the support of Coleman's "Kingmaker" Osian Roberts pulling the strings in the background, which it appears that he will have, given that article, even better. |
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Post by vandenhauwe on Nov 19, 2017 16:19:24 GMT
Giggs will no doubt bring in a decent back room staff.Fact is successful or not some of us will never accept him,faw will appoint him no doubt.like under gould we'll back the team but not giggs.
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 19, 2017 16:23:56 GMT
Most important thing in my mind is keeping Osian, if he wants Giggs then I'll accept his choice I'm certainly with you on this, Osian is vital |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 19, 2017 16:26:25 GMT
Giggs will no doubt bring in a decent back room staff.Fact is successful or not some of us will never accept him,faw will appoint him no doubt.like under gould we'll back the team but not giggs. Some of us also had our concerns when Coleman and even Speed came into the fray. Until he steps into the role we just don't know how things will pan out. |
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Post by vandenhauwe on Nov 19, 2017 16:55:58 GMT
Absolutely!!I want someone in charge of wales who will give it everything and is proud to manage wales for me on past history that's not giggs!
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 19, 2017 17:14:02 GMT
Find it somewhat puzzling in hearing comments that somehow Giggs will not have picked up any of the managerial skills from working with Englands most successful manager ever. One only has to look at the number of Ex Man Utd players who went into management, some successful, some not. They got the help, assistance and support behind it. Doubt Giggs would be any different. But you then see him when he was assistant to Van Gaal. Sitting motionless, quiet as a mouse on the bench. He just looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Uncle Alex was sat in the stands when all of this was going on, but he didn't to pick up any of the help, assistance or support that SAF was providing then. Then you listen to him as a pundit and he doesn't seem to show that he has a deep understanding of the game. I just don't think that he has the intellect to be a great Manager. Maybe that's the point that he doesn't have to be the 'tactician or strategist' in the Welsh setup. That is what Osian and his team is for. He doesn't have to be the one that the players have the physical and mental fitness to be at the top level. Maybe his role is some kind of team motivator and a figure head for the Welsh FA. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 19, 2017 17:20:11 GMT
Why hasn't the high profile Ryan Giggs already been appointed by a club instead of spouting bland platitudes whilst covering England fixtures on tv?
There must be a reason as it's a while since he left Man Utd, and he has applied for a number of jobs in the meantime including Swansea City.
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Post by jonathandearth on Nov 19, 2017 17:23:44 GMT
No to Giggs.
Retired from Wales in 2007 - kept playing until 2014.
There needs to be a culture that you don't retire from Wales, Wales stops picking you.
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 19, 2017 17:52:05 GMT
Find it somewhat puzzling in hearing comments that somehow Giggs will not have picked up any of the managerial skills from working with Englands most successful manager ever. One only has to look at the number of Ex Man Utd players who went into management, some successful, some not. They got the help, assistance and support behind it. Doubt Giggs would be any different. But you then see him when he was assistant to Van Gaal. Sitting motionless, quiet as a mouse on the bench. He just looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Uncle Alex was sat in the stands when all of this was going on, but he didn't to pick up any of the help, assistance or support that SAF was providing then. Then you listen to him as a pundit and he doesn't seem to show that he has a deep understanding of the game. I just don't think that he has the intellect to be a great Manager. Maybe that's the point that he doesn't have to be the 'tactician or strategist' in the Welsh setup. That is what Osian and his team is for. He doesn't have to be the one that the players have the physical and mental fitness to be at the top level. Maybe his role is some kind of team motivator and a figure head for the Welsh FA. Van Gaal was his own man who apparently didn't like that Giggs was still in the set up as felt it was a link with the past. The assumption that because you are not up and down like a yoyo you are not reading the game is laughable. Look at those who became media monkeys and look at those who became managers.............. Shearer is a classic example....... Good pundit, crap manager and there is lots more. |
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 19, 2017 18:01:26 GMT
Why hasn't the high profile Ryan Giggs already been appointed by a club instead of spouting bland platitudes whilst covering England fixtures on tv? There must be a reason as it's a while since he left Man Utd, and he has applied for a number of jobs in the meantime including Swansea City. Boards of Directors are fickle and even when fully advocating supporting a manager they are actively talking with their replacement. Also there is a view of lets appoint a Foreigner as they know coaching.............. there are currently only 3 British Managers running Premier Legaue clubs who were appointed since Jan 1 2015 when Pulis was appointed. West Ham Swansea Everton The 3 are currently proping up the table. |
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 19, 2017 18:16:21 GMT
No to Giggs. Retired from Wales in 2007 - kept playing until 2014. There needs to be a culture that you don't retire from Wales, Wales stops picking you. Retired at 34 after Wales not going to qualify for Euro 2008......................... Rush retired at 35 ....................... 9 more games Hughes retired at 35.....................8 more games |
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