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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 19, 2017 19:41:57 GMT
If it gives us a better chance of keeping Ampadu and Brooks in the set up, then yes. In all honesty, I think that was down to Osian Roberts more than Coleman. Perhaps, but we were never tested when it came to keeping our youngsters to the extent that we could be with Ampadu. If Ampadu manages more first team matches with Chelsea, you could well have England's first team on the phone and then he'll have a decision to make. Is he more likely to stick with us if Giggs is at the helm or a manager he's never heard of before landing the Wales job? Many may say 'I don't want that being the deciding factor for him' and 'if he's unsure then we shouldn't bother with someone who's half arsed' but then they'll be the same ones who'll dream about seeing Wales at a world cup. Ampadu is the most likely player to become world class in our ranks, so we should do everything we can to keep him in the set up in my opinion, even if that includes appointing a manager who's more likely the convince him to stay. Giggs would have learned a hell of a lot from Fergie and is held in high regard by Van Gaal, his mistake so far has been not taking a lower coaching job elsewhere as that seems the only way into managing a top side from the start of your managerial career. After a lot of thought, I've come to the conclusion that I would like to see Ryan Giggs given the Welsh job, even if it'd be an insult to many who watched Wales on the regular when we wouldn't bother to turn up to friendlies. We have to do what's best for us. |
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Post by hookd on Nov 19, 2017 21:05:57 GMT
I do despair!
Rabbit caught in headlights ... inexperience ... etc
The guy won goodness knows how many championships and 2 Champions Leagues!
Just because you are loud and passionate does not make you a good manager! Bobby Gould anyone? Even Coleman's record is pretty dire in club football. Giggs has achieved all he has with his quiet personality. How many introverts do you guys underestimate at work? How do you know his detachment could see him making great decisions under pressure. God people are arguing for Carl Robinson over him and would probably argue in favour of Hartson before him. Thanks goodness you are not picking the next manager!
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Nov 20, 2017 9:08:12 GMT
Post by georgetm1 on Nov 20, 2017 9:08:12 GMT
From what I have seen on social media, about 10% of people back Giggs being manager and that includes the hardcore,the casuals and the armchair supporters. There really seems to be a lot of dislike of the idea of him managing and it isn't just about him not turning up for Wales but the fact that he is the most boring, charmless twat on the planet.
Just because he worked under Ferguson doesn't mean he will be a good manager. If that was the case then everybody working under Ferguson would have been successful in management by now. But they are not, not even his own son.
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Nov 20, 2017 13:10:16 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Nov 20, 2017 13:10:16 GMT
From what I have seen on social media, about 10% of people back Giggs being manager and that includes the hardcore,the casuals and the armchair supporters. There really seems to be a lot of dislike of the idea of him managing and it isn't just about him not turning up for Wales but the fact that he is the most boring, charmless twat on the planet. Just because he worked under Ferguson doesn't mean he will be a good manager. If that was the case then everybody working under Ferguson would have been successful in management by now. But they are not, not even his own son. Yeh but most on social media just jump n the bandwagon and just say what somebody else said and don't think in depth about it. The y all go on about the friendly thing like its the worst most unforgiveable thing ever, yet will not even think about the types of injuries players like Giggs/Bale repeatedly get, not just that imo that argument goes out the window with half the people saying it as they probably didn't turn up either. Everybody always jumps to the conclusion that yeh was defo his fault when they know nothing. And you are right, just because he worked under Fergie, doesn't mean you are any good, but when you have been mentored by both Fergie and Van Gaal and they both give you glowing reports then they must see something good. And by that logic nobody would get a job in management if what high profile people like them say is just gets short shrift. Take away what your hatred of him for the friendly issue and who he slept with, just looking at Giggs the actual player , would you say that he is one of the greatest players Wales have ever had pull on the shirt ?, bear in mind what he has achieved and what his peers have said and what you know a great player to be. And then, would upcoming players and perhaps many players already in team be able and even want to learn from this type of player ?. And then if you get past that bit still having the hatred look at questions like do the issues with friendlies years ago really matter if the players now could have Giggs and Bale in dressing room helping them with their potential ? and is the womanising thing firstly any of our business, if so, out of all the people who have this as a reason for him not being manager of a football team, have non of them ever done anything wrong ? (I am not saying this is good of course) , do people deserve chance to right their wrongs ?. This is the way they should be asking the question about Giggs on social media, not just a straight poll, because of all the people who just go by what someone else says, They could probably dig up shit on most of the candidates, its just Giggs life has been drawn into the public. |
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Nov 20, 2017 13:11:02 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Nov 20, 2017 13:11:02 GMT
How the hell my post come out like that ?, weird lol
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 20, 2017 13:23:01 GMT
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Nov 20, 2017 14:52:30 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Nov 20, 2017 14:52:30 GMT
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Nov 20, 2017 15:14:28 GMT
Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 20, 2017 15:14:28 GMT
From what I have seen on social media, about 10% of people back Giggs being manager and that includes the hardcore,the casuals and the armchair supporters. There really seems to be a lot of dislike of the idea of him managing and it isn't just about him not turning up for Wales but the fact that he is the most boring, charmless twat on the planet. Just because he worked under Ferguson doesn't mean he will be a good manager. If that was the case then everybody working under Ferguson would have been successful in management by now. But they are not, not even his own son. Yeh but most on social media just jump n the bandwagon and just say what somebody else said and don't think in depth about it. The y all go on about the friendly thing like its the worst most unforgiveable thing ever, yet will not even think about the types of injuries players like Giggs/Bale repeatedly get, not just that imo that argument goes out the window with half the people saying it as they probably didn't turn up either. Everybody always jumps to the conclusion that yeh was defo his fault when they know nothing. And you are right, just because he worked under Fergie, doesn't mean you are any good, but when you have been mentored by both Fergie and Van Gaal and they both give you glowing reports then they must see something good. And by that logic nobody would get a job in management if what high profile people like them say is just gets short shrift. Take away what your hatred of him for the friendly issue and who he slept with, just looking at Giggs the actual player , would you say that he is one of the greatest players Wales have ever had pull on the shirt ?, bear in mind what he has achieved and what his peers have said and what you know a great player to be. And then, would upcoming players and perhaps many players already in team be able and even want to learn from this type of player ?. And then if you get past that bit still having the hatred look at questions like do the issues with friendlies years ago really matter if the players now could have Giggs and Bale in dressing room helping them with their potential ? and is the womanising thing firstly any of our business, if so, out of all the people who have this as a reason for him not being manager of a football team, have non of them ever done anything wrong ? (I am not saying this is good of course) , do people deserve chance to right their wrongs ?. This is the way they should be asking the question about Giggs on social media, not just a straight poll, because of all the people who just go by what someone else says, They could probably dig up shit on most of the candidates, its just Giggs life has been drawn into the public. considering he was one of the greatest players and one of the most decorated players they not going to say he a shithouse and too thick to be a top coach are they |
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Nov 20, 2017 15:26:13 GMT
Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 20, 2017 15:26:13 GMT
Like Coleman what he achieved with wales is the pinnacle of his career what ever he dose with Sunderland or what other club he may manage, Giggs if was was a great success for wales I always feel he see that as a platform for his other desires ie managing Man U
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Nov 20, 2017 15:33:43 GMT
No to Giggs. Retired from Wales in 2007 - kept playing until 2014. There needs to be a culture that you don't retire from Wales, Wales stops picking you. Retired at 34 after Wales not going to qualify for Euro 2008......................... Rush retired at 35 ....................... 9 more games Hughes retired at 35.....................8 more games Great post! |
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 20, 2017 17:11:29 GMT
I do despair! Rabbit caught in headlights ... inexperience ... etc The guy won goodness knows how many championships and 2 Champions Leagues! Just because you are loud and passionate does not make you a good manager! Bobby Gould anyone? Even Coleman's record is pretty dire in club football. Giggs has achieved all he has with his quiet personality. How many introverts do you guys underestimate at work? How do you know his detachment could see him making great decisions under pressure. God people are arguing for Carl Robinson over him and would probably argue in favour of Hartson before him. Thanks goodness you are not picking the next manager! Remember being at a talk by someone who worked with the FA on coaching up and coming managers on business side of a club. Person said that Ince / Ferdinand were chuckle brothers, Ade Boothroyd and others also on course. Sparky Hughes was as quiet as a mouse but taking in everything. When he spoke he was direct and it was obvious he was getting straight at the point rather than going around it............... also said that people tuned in quickly to what he was saying. Being loud and shouting may mean you get point across but taking it in and getting direct also is a skill. |
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Nov 20, 2017 19:00:13 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Nov 20, 2017 19:00:13 GMT
So Nathan Blake gas now been on the news saying he doesn't understand the level of hatred.
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Nov 20, 2017 19:26:40 GMT
Post by fiveattheback on Nov 20, 2017 19:26:40 GMT
Feels like they're softening us up for the announcement
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Nov 20, 2017 19:29:51 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 20, 2017 19:29:51 GMT
Hughes, Blake, Earnshaw, Savage, Malcolm Allen have all backed Giggs for the job.
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Nov 20, 2017 19:31:40 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 20, 2017 19:31:40 GMT
If the players came out a d backed giggs what would you all say then?
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Nov 20, 2017 20:46:46 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Nov 20, 2017 20:46:46 GMT
But you then see him when he was assistant to Van Gaal. Sitting motionless, quiet as a mouse on the bench. He just looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Uncle Alex was sat in the stands when all of this was going on, but he didn't to pick up any of the help, assistance or support that SAF was providing then. Then you listen to him as a pundit and he doesn't seem to show that he has a deep understanding of the game. I just don't think that he has the intellect to be a great Manager. Maybe that's the point that he doesn't have to be the 'tactician or strategist' in the Welsh setup. That is what Osian and his team is for. He doesn't have to be the one that the players have the physical and mental fitness to be at the top level. Maybe his role is some kind of team motivator and a figure head for the Welsh FA. Van Gaal was his own man who apparently didn't like that Giggs was still in the set up as felt it was a link with the past. The assumption that because you are not up and down like a yoyo you are not reading the game is laughable. Look at those who became media monkeys and look at those who became managers.............. Shearer is a classic example....... Good pundit, crap manager and there is lots more. If he was sat there quietly, reading, analysing the game, he didn't seem to make alot of game changing decisions at half time did he? His mere presence, authority and the tutor-age of SAF didn't seem to motive some of the best players in the world to higher than 5th in the PL? I didn't say that pundits make great managers, only that when he talks and analyses football he sounds really, really thick. If he was as good a coach / potential manager as some would lead us to believe, why would MUFC let go such a talent? The guy has the morals of an alleycat, has shown that he limited commitment (to Wales), has zero charisma and is seriously lacking in intelligence. He would blow apart the #togetherstronger ethos. |
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Nov 20, 2017 21:03:46 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Nov 20, 2017 21:03:46 GMT
If the players came out a d backed giggs what would you all say then? I'd take a cheap shot and say that I would get behind him. Just like he got behind his sister-in-law for eight years! Some of the players, well Ramsey as least, were vocal in supporting Dutch Ray last time around. It doesn't seem that the opinions of the players hold much sway within the FAW. |
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Post by dai on Nov 20, 2017 21:38:55 GMT
Hughes, Blake, Earnshaw, Savage, Malcolm Allen have all backed Giggs for the job. All seems a bit scripted to me....... |
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Nov 20, 2017 21:58:57 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 20, 2017 21:58:57 GMT
If the players came out a d backed giggs what would you all say then? If he's given the job, I will back him.Just like I have every Wales manager since I went to my first game in 1983,don't see the point in added pressure and negativity around the managers job |
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Post by biwmares on Nov 20, 2017 22:08:59 GMT
Hughes, Blake, Earnshaw, Savage, Malcolm Allen have all backed Giggs for the job. All seems a bit scripted to me....... Its a bit like this thread mysteriously began before Coleman left on friday evening. All the posts by the member are about Giggs. FAW /Giggs or Paul Abbandonato ? |
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Nov 20, 2017 23:12:07 GMT
Post by oscardelta on Nov 20, 2017 23:12:07 GMT
If he was sat there quietly, reading, analysing the game, he didn't seem to make alot of game changing decisions at half time did he? His mere presence, authority and the tutor-age of SAF didn't seem to motive some of the best players in the world to higher than 5th in the PL? Neither did having a successful Manager like LVG, manager calls the shots. Giggs was involved making suggestions, as a Man Utd supporter I saw enough to know he was but LVG stayed on the bench not touchline. Sometimes its a Fait Accompli and that was called Jose People's personal lives should be their own. If we judged players on their morals and being fine upstanding citizens who never cheated on partners then puttting out a team for any club could be a struggle. |
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Nov 20, 2017 23:50:44 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Nov 20, 2017 23:50:44 GMT
If the players came out a d backed giggs what would you all say then? I'd take a cheap shot and say that I would get behind him. Just like he got behind his sister-in-law for eight years! Some of the players, well Ramsey as least, were vocal in supporting Dutch Ray last time around. It doesn't seem that the opinions of the players hold much sway within the FAW. But aren't the players the reason we stayed ccs for qualifiers ?, I reckon they got a lot of sway, especially the main characters. All this is seeming to boil down to is the issue with friendlies years ago, and people trying to say it was nine years is another way of trying to make it look worse, and the womanising thing is just trying make it seem untenable. I find it hard to believe that most of just can't just get over it. Just out of interest, does anybody know how many friendlies per that 9 years are we actually talking about ?, cos if it was 9 years without playing any game I could understand a bit more lol. |
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Nov 21, 2017 11:55:47 GMT
Post by phillywelsh83 on Nov 21, 2017 11:55:47 GMT
Van Gaal was his own man who apparently didn't like that Giggs was still in the set up as felt it was a link with the past. The assumption that because you are not up and down like a yoyo you are not reading the game is laughable. Look at those who became media monkeys and look at those who became managers.............. Shearer is a classic example....... Good pundit, crap manager and there is lots more. If he was sat there quietly, reading, analysing the game, he didn't seem to make alot of game changing decisions at half time did he? His mere presence, authority and the tutor-age of SAF didn't seem to motive some of the best players in the world to higher than 5th in the PL? I didn't say that pundits make great managers, only that when he talks and analyses football he sounds really, really thick. If he was as good a coach / potential manager as some would lead us to believe, why would MUFC let go such a talent? The guy has the morals of an alleycat, has shown that he limited commitment (to Wales), has zero charisma and is seriously lacking in intelligence. He would blow apart the #togetherstronger ethos. His morals, his commitment, his charisma all valid points, his intelligence though, i think you are severely misguided by your hatred for the individual. Giggs is a very sharp guy, who is business savvy, understands the game, thats how he completely changed his game to manage his issues with his hamstring (which also included retiring from Wales and managing appearances). He is dull in terms of personality, but he is respected (in football terms), and the players would respect and listen to his thoughts and ideas. But i totally agree with your last comment, it would split the fans, and thats the main reason i would be against Giggs being appointed. |
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Nov 21, 2017 12:25:23 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 21, 2017 12:25:23 GMT
Imagine the chants if Giggs got the job and we lost the first couple of games. It would turn CCS into a toxic arena. He would not be given the time others might, the atmosphere would only get to the players with results worsening accordingly.
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Nov 21, 2017 12:56:26 GMT
Post by manulike on Nov 21, 2017 12:56:26 GMT
Can't really say that I have strong feelings either way. On balance, if the choice is between Giggs and Pulis, I'd go for Pulis. I have a feeling that the pay cut will probably not appeal to either one of them. Interesting article on the beeb www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42052214 |
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Nov 21, 2017 14:32:18 GMT
Post by welshdon on Nov 21, 2017 14:32:18 GMT
Giggs helped build a culture where players pick and choose to turn up or not.
Coleman was very astute and managed this very situation extremely well. #togetherstronger combined with playing next to no frendlies with guaranteed starting places for a number of players no matter what their club situation was like just about eliminated the culture that seemed to have become ingrained.
Giggs cannot justify his own aspiration to be Wales manager never mind the WFA justifying his selection.
Bellamy- Hartson - Pulis for me just not Giggs #canthaveyourcakeandeatit
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Nov 21, 2017 14:58:13 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Nov 21, 2017 14:58:13 GMT
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Nov 21, 2017 14:58:59 GMT
Post by rushlegend on Nov 21, 2017 14:58:59 GMT
I have a feeling that the pay cut will probably not appeal to either one of them
Is Giggs a manager somewhere else?
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Nov 21, 2017 16:27:34 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Nov 21, 2017 16:27:34 GMT
Was thinking of separate thread for this, but would another country act like us over Giggs ?
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Nov 21, 2017 17:27:06 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 21, 2017 17:27:06 GMT
Was thinking of separate thread for this, but would another country act like us over Giggs ? I know he was a player but remember how England reacted when Beckham got sent off? We ain’t at those levels yet.... In Argentina they question Messi’s committment. Perhaps we expect so much of a top player that we are generally more likely to criticise them? |
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