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Post by conwy10 on Nov 24, 2017 23:18:07 GMT
The witch hunt is stupid, damaging and just plain embarrassing for those who don't want him for the reasons most are giving like missing friendlies which was years ago and we all know there is a very high possibility the decision wasn't his, sleeping with bros misses, not nice but also nothing to do with us or football knowledge, and also there are people who are talking about this who have done worse or know someone who has, not to mention the other footballers who have done as bad or worse and are still lauded for their football. If there is a fair and square reason for him not to have an equal chance as everyone else. And to me Giggs is Welsh legend, he chose Wales when he could have chosen another (believe it or not the African team he could've played for , probably more chance of World cup qualifying than us ), retired 1 year earlier than Rush and Hughes and made just 8 appearances less. He might have not taken part in friendlies over a nine year period, but he did not go 9 years without playing for Wales. If you don't want Giggs because you believe there a better candidate, then fair enough, but if the reason is anything to do with the above reasons come on, really ? Good points. Based on what you have said, Cristiano Ronaldo would not be a Portuguese legend (he's been accused of some bad stuff in the past and some people have a problem with his primadonna persona but there's no denying he is a legend in his sport). Similarly, Chris Coleman might not have been appointed based on past indiscretions.. Like I said earlier, I'm fearful that petty dislike could prejudice the final outcome. We are a fickle bunch. Coleman was not an altogether popular choice when first appointed. Football associations don't appoint "nice guys", there's reality television for that! Agree with most of this but I think due to the fact he captained his team to win the Euros will always have him down as a Portuguese legend. If it hadn't been for that though do you think he'd be remembered too fondly? Obviously Bale is our talisman but if you saw Bale having a strop when his teammates score, moaning when he isn't given the ball, always wanting to be the centre of attention would he go down as a Wales legend? Maybe Portugal would have Ronaldo as a manager one day because of who he is, but England probably wouldn't make Rooney their manager without experience. I can't see Ibrahimovic at Sweden or Petr Cech at Czech Republic doing it either. Hamsik and Lewandowski would probably have to prove themselves first too. Not many countries would take a punt on a legend with no experience. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 24, 2017 23:29:40 GMT
Giggs' misdemenours would be very quickly forgotten if he got the job and made a good fist of it. Just as no one (oops..) refers to Coleman's less than savoury past: www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/football-manager-chris-coleman-evicts-4177147I'm not keen on Giggs at all, but if he gets appointed all that will matter within a couple of months will be Wales' success (or otherwise) and playing style. I'll openly admit if he gets the job and does well I'll be the biggest hypocrite in Wales, I'll come on here saying I always believed in him. Go to after dinner speeches and get selfies with him. He can have his brothers wife in the technical area with him for all I care. He can wear an England tracksuit on the pitch side as long as we beat them. But I just can't see it going well if he gets it. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 24, 2017 23:34:13 GMT
that opens a good debate itself lol, moderate to half decent euro sides might well struggle, the pool of nations is big and the likes of Ghana , ivory coast Cameroon failed for 2018 Think this debate is opening more thought provoking issues than we realised lol |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 25, 2017 0:00:56 GMT
Good points. Based on what you have said, Cristiano Ronaldo would not be a Portuguese legend (he's been accused of some bad stuff in the past and some people have a problem with his primadonna persona but there's no denying he is a legend in his sport). Similarly, Chris Coleman might not have been appointed based on past indiscretions.. Like I said earlier, I'm fearful that petty dislike could prejudice the final outcome. We are a fickle bunch. Coleman was not an altogether popular choice when first appointed. Football associations don't appoint "nice guys", there's reality television for that! Agree with most of this but I think due to the fact he captained his team to win the Euros will always have him down as a Portuguese legend. If it hadn't been for that though do you think he'd be remembered too fondly? Obviously Bale is our talisman but if you saw Bale having a strop when his teammates score, moaning when he isn't given the ball, always wanting to be the centre of attention would he go down as a Wales legend? Maybe Portugal would have Ronaldo as a manager one day because of who he is, but England probably wouldn't make Rooney their manager without experience. I can't see Ibrahimovic at Sweden or Petr Cech at Czech Republic doing it either. Hamsik and Lewandowski would probably have to prove themselves first too. Not many countries would take a punt on a legend with no experience. Good points, only thing is though our wage capabilities are way low compared to most them countries so naturally less of a pool to chose from. They can normally afford the ancellottis, Van Gaals, Eriksons, Cruyffs of this world, even Ireland had Trappattoni once. The managers we normally get to chose from are either ex players with some previous experience with mediocre clubs or no experience (Cookie, Hughes, Speed) or older dinosaur of low/medium career success level type managers (Flynn, Gould, England, Smith although I liked Flynn to an extent), who either want one last bash at trying or its a step up even for them. The ones put forward on the supposed current list are again of the same sort with exception probably of Pulis and Hughes (they pretty experienced now but would probs have career left after Wales if they did well), Giggs, Bellamy, Henry Hartson, I would say are little to no experience, but particularly first 3 would be my choice, simply because what our new attack minded youngsters would learn off any of them would be priceless imo, not adverse to Hartson though. Lower level managers like Robinson, I'm not sure of because of experience of working with high level athletes like Bale, Rambo and hopefully some the youngsters. But one thing for sure is that of all the candidates, we will be a stepping stone. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 25, 2017 0:02:42 GMT
Giggs' misdemenours would be very quickly forgotten if he got the job and made a good fist of it. Just as no one (oops..) refers to Coleman's less than savoury past: www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/football-manager-chris-coleman-evicts-4177147I'm not keen on Giggs at all, but if he gets appointed all that will matter within a couple of months will be Wales' success (or otherwise) and playing style. I'll openly admit if he gets the job and does well I'll be the biggest hypocrite in Wales, I'll come on here saying I always believed in him. Go to after dinner speeches and get selfies with him. He can have his brothers wife in the technical area with him for all I care. He can wear an England tracksuit on the pitch side as long as we beat them. But I just can't see it going well if he gets it. Lol have faith mun |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2017 0:11:30 GMT
Agree with most of this but I think due to the fact he captained his team to win the Euros will always have him down as a Portuguese legend. If it hadn't been for that though do you think he'd be remembered too fondly? Obviously Bale is our talisman but if you saw Bale having a strop when his teammates score, moaning when he isn't given the ball, always wanting to be the centre of attention would he go down as a Wales legend? Maybe Portugal would have Ronaldo as a manager one day because of who he is, but England probably wouldn't make Rooney their manager without experience. I can't see Ibrahimovic at Sweden or Petr Cech at Czech Republic doing it either. Hamsik and Lewandowski would probably have to prove themselves first too. Not many countries would take a punt on a legend with no experience. Good points, only thing is though our wage capabilities are way low compared to most them countries so naturally less of a pool to chose from. They can normally afford the ancellottis, Van Gaals, Eriksons, Cruyffs of this world, even Ireland had Trappattoni once. The managers we normally get to chose from are either ex players with some previous experience with mediocre clubs or no experience (Cookie, Hughes, Speed) or older dinosaur of low/medium career success level type managers (Flynn, Gould, England, Smith although I liked Flynn to an extent), who either want one last bash at trying or its a step up even for them. The ones put forward on the supposed current list are again of the same sort with exception probably of Pulis and Hughes (they pretty experienced now but would probs have career left after Wales if they did well), Giggs, Bellamy, Henry Hartson, I would say are little to no experience, but particularly first 3 would be my choice, simply because what our new attack minded youngsters would learn off any of them would be priceless imo, not adverse to Hartson though. Lower level managers like Robinson, I'm not sure of because of experience of working with high level athletes like Bale, Rambo and hopefully some the youngsters. But one thing for sure is that of all the candidates, we will be a stepping stone. I don't think I'd want a foreign manager unless we are going to become a European heavyweight. The names suggested really would be the people I'd want to be candidates for the job, but the amount of experience is painfully thin amongst them. I'd have ideally liked as well as Hughes (and Pulis when the debate began) who's Premier League manager maybe 2 in the championship, another 2 in league 1. Hughes we've tried, Pulis wouldn't fit our Welsh Way, then dip into the Championship or at a push a League 1 team pushing for automatic promotion. I'm not sure if I'm right in thinking this, and correct me if I'm wrong, but after Hughes and Coleman is the next highest Welsh manager in English football Flynn at Newport? |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 25, 2017 0:16:03 GMT
Good points, only thing is though our wage capabilities are way low compared to most them countries so naturally less of a pool to chose from. They can normally afford the ancellottis, Van Gaals, Eriksons, Cruyffs of this world, even Ireland had Trappattoni once. The managers we normally get to chose from are either ex players with some previous experience with mediocre clubs or no experience (Cookie, Hughes, Speed) or older dinosaur of low/medium career success level type managers (Flynn, Gould, England, Smith although I liked Flynn to an extent), who either want one last bash at trying or its a step up even for them. The ones put forward on the supposed current list are again of the same sort with exception probably of Pulis and Hughes (they pretty experienced now but would probs have career left after Wales if they did well), Giggs, Bellamy, Henry Hartson, I would say are little to no experience, but particularly first 3 would be my choice, simply because what our new attack minded youngsters would learn off any of them would be priceless imo, not adverse to Hartson though. Lower level managers like Robinson, I'm not sure of because of experience of working with high level athletes like Bale, Rambo and hopefully some the youngsters. But one thing for sure is that of all the candidates, we will be a stepping stone. I don't think I'd want a foreign manager unless we are going to become a European heavyweight. The names suggested really would be the people I'd want to be candidates for the job, but the amount of experience is painfully thin amongst them. I'd have ideally liked as well as Hughes (and Pulis when the debate began) who's Premier League manager maybe 2 in the championship, another 2 in league 1. Hughes we've tried, Pulis wouldn't fit our Welsh Way, then dip into the Championship or at a push a League 1 team pushing for automatic promotion. I'm not sure if I'm right in thinking this, and correct me if I'm wrong, but after Hughes and Coleman is the next highest Welsh manager in English football Flynn at Newport? I think its Kenny Jackett |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2017 0:20:34 GMT
I don't think I'd want a foreign manager unless we are going to become a European heavyweight. The names suggested really would be the people I'd want to be candidates for the job, but the amount of experience is painfully thin amongst them. I'd have ideally liked as well as Hughes (and Pulis when the debate began) who's Premier League manager maybe 2 in the championship, another 2 in league 1. Hughes we've tried, Pulis wouldn't fit our Welsh Way, then dip into the Championship or at a push a League 1 team pushing for automatic promotion. I'm not sure if I'm right in thinking this, and correct me if I'm wrong, but after Hughes and Coleman is the next highest Welsh manager in English football Flynn at Newport? I think its Kenny Jackett Yeah you're right. Really low on Welsh managers at the minute though. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 25, 2017 0:35:02 GMT
Good points, only thing is though our wage capabilities are way low compared to most them countries so naturally less of a pool to chose from. They can normally afford the ancellottis, Van Gaals, Eriksons, Cruyffs of this world, even Ireland had Trappattoni once. The managers we normally get to chose from are either ex players with some previous experience with mediocre clubs or no experience (Cookie, Hughes, Speed) or older dinosaur of low/medium career success level type managers (Flynn, Gould, England, Smith although I liked Flynn to an extent), who either want one last bash at trying or its a step up even for them. The ones put forward on the supposed current list are again of the same sort with exception probably of Pulis and Hughes (they pretty experienced now but would probs have career left after Wales if they did well), Giggs, Bellamy, Henry Hartson, I would say are little to no experience, but particularly first 3 would be my choice, simply because what our new attack minded youngsters would learn off any of them would be priceless imo, not adverse to Hartson though. Lower level managers like Robinson, I'm not sure of because of experience of working with high level athletes like Bale, Rambo and hopefully some the youngsters. But one thing for sure is that of all the candidates, we will be a stepping stone. I don't think I'd want a foreign manager unless we are going to become a European heavyweight. The names suggested really would be the people I'd want to be candidates for the job, but the amount of experience is painfully thin amongst them. I'd have ideally liked as well as Hughes (and Pulis when the debate began) who's Premier League manager maybe 2 in the championship, another 2 in league 1. Hughes we've tried, Pulis wouldn't fit our Welsh Way, then dip into the Championship or at a push a League 1 team pushing for automatic promotion. I'm not sure if I'm right in thinking this, and correct me if I'm wrong, but after Hughes and Coleman is the next highest Welsh manager in English football Flynn at Newport? Think so, shocking isn't it. The only one I forgot of past managers who goes against the grain with what I said in last post is Toshack really, probably the manager who managed the highest rated club before taking on Wales having been at Madrid, Hughes went on to big jobs with half the premier league, suppose City being the biggest. Irony is Giggs has temp managed club at highest level lol. |
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Post by badfinger on Nov 25, 2017 0:45:25 GMT
We don't qualify for World cups apart from 1, point is it is easier for African nations to qualify simply because the standard of opposition is lower, we always talk about how difficult our qualifying groups are. I gone over my thoughts on friendlies in post above. Its not easier to qualify in Africa. 53 teams fight it out for 5 spots. There are three rounds you have to get through as well its a lot of teams.none though have reached a world cup semi. 17 different European nations have. |
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 25, 2017 1:03:46 GMT
Its not easier to qualify in Africa. 53 teams fight it out for 5 spots. There are three rounds you have to get through as well its a lot of teams.none though have reached a world cup semi. 17 different European nations have. lol you nit picking it only since 90 that they been any good really Algeria did ok in 82 maybe |
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 25, 2017 1:09:47 GMT
id only say that Germany and spain would be certs to qualify
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 25, 2017 1:16:04 GMT
I believe there's two candidates who are much better qualified than giggs Carl Robinson and pulis both managed club sides both worked their way up.As for giggs retiring a year earlier than rush and hughes both true but then giggs came out of retirement to play for team G* at the Olympics!!Also if giggs loves wales so much why did he do his coaching badges with the english fa?!before you say it's because of where he lives henry,Desailly,Jens lehmann,arteta,sherwood etc don't live in wales but chose to do their coaching badges here!!! Fair enough if you believe those candidates better for what you believe they can do for Wales in football terms, personally I'm for either Giggs or Henry, then maybe Bellamy, I like Hartson and maybe Pulis at a push, but id give full on support to any of them, but don't want us playing dinosaur football like Gould era. I hate the fact any of our players took up the team GB thing full stop, Olympic football imo is a joke and akin to practise matches with the pace I remember that being at, but still I was mortified any of our players turned up for that shite. The badges thing I think has only recently been successful in Wales from about the time Speedo took over and I think Giggs had already done his by then while Fergie was still in charge at Utd. Admittedly I would have preferred his badges been done in Wales, but not really that bothered. |
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Post by vandenhauwe on Nov 25, 2017 7:44:58 GMT
Giggs splits our fans opinion like no other player either people love him or really dislike him just the way it is.Have to say went to watch wales women play last night it was a refreshing change got to be honest,kazakh kicked the hell out of our girls but no rolling around they got up and got on with it.just a generally more honest game.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 25, 2017 14:50:56 GMT
Giggs' misdemenours would be very quickly forgotten if he got the job and made a good fist of it. Just as no one (oops..) refers to Coleman's less than savoury past: www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/football-manager-chris-coleman-evicts-4177147I'm not keen on Giggs at all, but if he gets appointed all that will matter within a couple of months will be Wales' success (or otherwise) and playing style. I'll openly admit if he gets the job and does well I'll be the biggest hypocrite in Wales, I'll come on here saying I always believed in him. Go to after dinner speeches and get selfies with him. He can have his brothers wife in the technical area with him for all I care. He can wear an England tracksuit on the pitch side as long as we beat them. But I just can't see it going well if he gets it. You do realise that those of us who have seen this post are going to hold you to your words and will expect proof of said selfies, after-dinner speech attendances and said superfluous praise 😀 (provided he gets the job and makes a real go of it of course!) |
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Post by badfinger on Nov 25, 2017 15:00:03 GMT
its a lot of teams.none though have reached a world cup semi. 17 different European nations have. lol you nit picking it only since 90 that they been any good really Algeria did ok in 82 maybe well Pele, i think it was the end of the 1980s predicted an African team would win the world cup by the year 2000. still no real progress. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2017 19:10:49 GMT
I'll openly admit if he gets the job and does well I'll be the biggest hypocrite in Wales, I'll come on here saying I always believed in him. Go to after dinner speeches and get selfies with him. He can have his brothers wife in the technical area with him for all I care. He can wear an England tracksuit on the pitch side as long as we beat them. But I just can't see it going well if he gets it. You do realise that those of us who have seen this post are going to hold you to your words and will expect proof of said selfies, after-dinner speech attendances and said superfluous praise 😀 (provided he gets the job and makes a real go of it of course!) Yeah I'd be up for that! I remember saying Coleman couldn't cut the mustard after his first few games. Didn't see why we kept going with Bale either, he hasn't won in 13 matches for Spurs, the lad will never make it. |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 25, 2017 19:32:15 GMT
You do realise that those of us who have seen this post are going to hold you to your words and will expect proof of said selfies, after-dinner speech attendances and said superfluous praise 😀 (provided he gets the job and makes a real go of it of course!) Yeah I'd be up for that! I remember saying Coleman couldn't cut the mustard after his first few games. Didn't see why we kept going with Bale either, he hasn't won in 13 matches for Spurs, the lad will never make it. Lol! You sound like quite the prophet - but in reverse! On that note, maybe you should say we will never qualify for Euro 2020, or make the semis or the final or win it. Same with the 2022 WC. We'll be European and World Champions at this rate 😅 We'll still expect those Giggs selfies though! |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2017 19:51:17 GMT
Yeah I'd be up for that! I remember saying Coleman couldn't cut the mustard after his first few games. Didn't see why we kept going with Bale either, he hasn't won in 13 matches for Spurs, the lad will never make it. You sound like quite the prophet - but in reverse! On that note, maybe you should say we will never qualify for Euro 2020, or make the semis or the final or win it. Same with the 2022 WC 😅 We'll still expect those Giggs selfies though! This is true now, in the Euros I thought we wouldn't get through. We'd be too overawed by the occasion we'll lose to Slovakia, we never beat England, Russia are too strong, Northern Ireland are one of those teams, Belgium are too good. The only time I believed we'd win was the Portugal match... |
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Whilst I appreciate that rookies like Speed and Hughes got the job without experience, things are different now as we’re higher ranked and have great young talent emerging.
A safer pair of hands is needed than Ryan Giggs. And also somebody who can connect with the fans better than him. He has zero personality.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 26, 2017 12:09:27 GMT
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 26, 2017 22:32:54 GMT
lol you nit picking it only since 90 that they been any good really Algeria did ok in 82 maybe well Pele, i think it was the end of the 1980s predicted an African team would win the world cup by the year 2000. still no real progress. yer true, Ghana was robbed really when suarez deliberately handballed and I think the guy missed the pen.that I think would have got them in the semis .Cameroon outplayed England in 90 in the quarters .The seem to abit gung ho to win a world cup it might happen one day you never know |
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Post by georgetm1 on Nov 27, 2017 6:45:43 GMT
We are way passed taking the chance on a completely inexperienced manager based on their playing career. When Hughes got the job, it was straight after Bobby Gould and we were desperate, when Speed took over it was after Toshack and we were desperate then didn't have much of a choice seeing as our FIFA rankings were down the toilet. These days we are classed as one of the best teams on the planet and we don't have time to bend over for an inexperienced manager who didn't even get the Swansea job or been linked with any other job other than this one. What has Giggs done since his retirement from playing? He managed a few games for Manchester United and as far as I am aware, that is it. With which FA did he do his badges, has he been training any of the youth squads like our previous inexperienced managers did before they were appointed?
Apart from a glittering playing career, what the hell has Giggs done with his coaching / management career? Because last thing I heard he got a job as a technical director for a Vietnamese football academy which in footballing terms means nothing to anyone. Bellamy is coaching at Cardiff City, Henry is Belgiums assistant manager, Pulis has huge experience in top flight football, Osian Roberts has been basically the godfather of Welsh football for the past 7-8 years, so what the hell has Giggs been up to and what makes him a better candidate for the job over the other guys?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 8:11:43 GMT
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Basically. Aside from a glittering career as a player under one of the most successful managers of all time; there’s not much else to look at on his CV. He’d inspire lads who grew up watching him (a couple of my Uncles follow Man United) but that’s about it.
p.s. No option for Pep Guardiola in your selections?
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Post by pendragon on Nov 27, 2017 8:45:28 GMT
FAW will be buying padlocks for the WAGS rooms if a certain individual is successful. Or the successful candidate in question will need to be fitted with a tracker to monitor his late night wonderings.. 😀 |
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Post by massivefloodlights on Nov 27, 2017 11:34:35 GMT
As assistant to Van Gaal he’d of learnt a lot, despite Van Gaals reluctance to play the Utd way. Giggs did temporarily take over and gave Tom Lawrence his Utd debut. So yes he has some managererial experience. What he learnt under Ferguson over the years would be invaluable too.
Lack of friendly appearances (although galling at times) and his personal shenanigans shouldn’t be up for debate if he’s deemed the man to take us forward.
One other thing, Wales are in transition right now. Giggs will command respect on the training ground.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Nov 27, 2017 12:14:08 GMT
We are way passed taking the chance on a completely inexperienced manager based on their playing career. When Hughes got the job, it was straight after Bobby Gould and we were desperate, when Speed took over it was after Toshack and we were desperate then didn't have much of a choice seeing as our FIFA rankings were down the toilet. These days we are classed as one of the best teams on the planet and we don't have time to bend over for an inexperienced manager who didn't even get the Swansea job or been linked with any other job other than this one. What has Giggs done since his retirement from playing? He managed a few games for Manchester United and as far as I am aware, that is it. With which FA did he do his badges, has he been training any of the youth squads like our previous inexperienced managers did before they were appointed? Apart from a glittering playing career, what the hell has Giggs done with his coaching / management career? Because last thing I heard he got a job as a technical director for a Vietnamese football academy which in footballing terms means nothing to anyone. Bellamy is coaching at Cardiff City, Henry is Belgiums assistant manager, Pulis has huge experience in top flight football, Osian Roberts has been basically the godfather of Welsh football for the past 7-8 years, so what the hell has Giggs been up to and what makes him a better candidate for the job over the other guys? What has he done in the his coaching management career? He coached a little known side called Manchester United, where he became Assistant Manager to one of the most experienced and successful managers in Europe Louis van Gaal. Prior to this he also had 4 games in charge of Manchester United (clearing up the mess a certain Scotsman called David Moyes left) and selected their entire per-season schedule, trusted by the Manchester United hierarchy to do so. On top of that he studied for his coaching badges with the tutoring from a certain Sir Alex Ferguson (you may have heard of him?), so has great experience in terms of his education. Outside of football, he has been very successful on a few fronts, wont go into the bedroom front , but in terms of business he owns multiple companies, including a football club called Salford City, which he co owns with his CO92 buddies, and successfully negotiated with a huge businesses man called Peter Lim to get involved. He also owns a hotel with Mr. Gary Neville in Manchester. He has now accepted a role outside of his comfort zone in Vietnam, which if he was anyone else would be praised for trying to further themselves out of their comfort zone. His lack of management experience, morals and lack of interest in friendlies you can argue, however, coaching you cant. |
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Post by georgetm1 on Nov 27, 2017 23:25:19 GMT
We are way passed taking the chance on a completely inexperienced manager based on their playing career. When Hughes got the job, it was straight after Bobby Gould and we were desperate, when Speed took over it was after Toshack and we were desperate then didn't have much of a choice seeing as our FIFA rankings were down the toilet. These days we are classed as one of the best teams on the planet and we don't have time to bend over for an inexperienced manager who didn't even get the Swansea job or been linked with any other job other than this one. What has Giggs done since his retirement from playing? He managed a few games for Manchester United and as far as I am aware, that is it. With which FA did he do his badges, has he been training any of the youth squads like our previous inexperienced managers did before they were appointed? Apart from a glittering playing career, what the hell has Giggs done with his coaching / management career? Because last thing I heard he got a job as a technical director for a Vietnamese football academy which in footballing terms means nothing to anyone. Bellamy is coaching at Cardiff City, Henry is Belgiums assistant manager, Pulis has huge experience in top flight football, Osian Roberts has been basically the godfather of Welsh football for the past 7-8 years, so what the hell has Giggs been up to and what makes him a better candidate for the job over the other guys? What has he done in the his coaching management career? He coached a little known side called Manchester United, where he became Assistant Manager to one of the most experienced and successful managers in Europe Louis van Gaal. Prior to this he also had 4 games in charge of Manchester United (clearing up the mess a certain Scotsman called David Moyes left) and selected their entire per-season schedule, trusted by the Manchester United hierarchy to do so. On top of that he studied for his coaching badges with the tutoring from a certain Sir Alex Ferguson (you may have heard of him?), so has great experience in terms of his education. Outside of football, he has been very successful on a few fronts, wont go into the bedroom front , but in terms of business he owns multiple companies, including a football club called Salford City, which he co owns with his CO92 buddies, and successfully negotiated with a huge businesses man called Peter Lim to get involved. He also owns a hotel with Mr. Gary Neville in Manchester. He has now accepted a role outside of his comfort zone in Vietnam, which if he was anyone else would be praised for trying to further themselves out of their comfort zone. His lack of management experience, morals and lack of interest in friendlies you can argue, however, coaching you cant. What he does in business is irrelevant and what coaching has he done since he left Man Utd? And it still doesn't explain why he hasn't been given a managerial position at club level if he is that great. |
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Nov 28, 2017 11:15:16 GMT
Post by phillywelsh83 on Nov 28, 2017 11:15:16 GMT
What has he done in the his coaching management career? He coached a little known side called Manchester United, where he became Assistant Manager to one of the most experienced and successful managers in Europe Louis van Gaal. Prior to this he also had 4 games in charge of Manchester United (clearing up the mess a certain Scotsman called David Moyes left) and selected their entire per-season schedule, trusted by the Manchester United hierarchy to do so. On top of that he studied for his coaching badges with the tutoring from a certain Sir Alex Ferguson (you may have heard of him?), so has great experience in terms of his education. Outside of football, he has been very successful on a few fronts, wont go into the bedroom front , but in terms of business he owns multiple companies, including a football club called Salford City, which he co owns with his CO92 buddies, and successfully negotiated with a huge businesses man called Peter Lim to get involved. He also owns a hotel with Mr. Gary Neville in Manchester. He has now accepted a role outside of his comfort zone in Vietnam, which if he was anyone else would be praised for trying to further themselves out of their comfort zone. His lack of management experience, morals and lack of interest in friendlies you can argue, however, coaching you cant. What he does in business is irrelevant and what coaching has he done since he left Man Utd? And it still doesn't explain why he hasn't been given a managerial position at club level if he is that great. I think a lot could be to do with his choice. If he doesn't consider lower league positions, he is not going to have a great deal of offers is he. |
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Nov 28, 2017 11:34:26 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 28, 2017 11:34:26 GMT
'Stronger Together' - Would there ever be a more divisive appointment?
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