Giggs

[pendragon]

Yes but previous experience tells us that the division would soon be forgotten if he managed to take us into another Euros or a World Cup!

[1gwaunview]

Nov 28, 2017 11:37:23 GMT pendragon said:

Yes but previous experience tells us that the division would soon be forgotten if he managed to take us into another Euros or a World Cup!

I see your point, but just hope it never happens.
The appointment that is , not qualification lol!

[phillywelsh83]

Nov 28, 2017 11:34:26 GMT 1gwaunview said:

'Stronger Together' - Would there ever be a more divisive appointment?

*Together Stronger

Stronger Together is that crook Hilary's campaign slogan. 

[1gwaunview]

Nov 28, 2017 11:41:27 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Nov 28, 2017 11:34:26 GMT 1gwaunview said:

'Stronger Together' - Would there ever be a more divisive appointment?

*Together Stronger

Stronger Together is that crook Hilary's campaign slogan. 

Sorry, can't Trump that one.

[conwy10]

Nov 27, 2017 11:34:35 GMT massivefloodlights said:

As assistant to Van Gaal he’d of learnt a lot, despite Van Gaals reluctance to play the Utd way. Giggs did temporarily take over and gave Tom Lawrence his Utd debut. So yes he has some managererial experience. What he learnt under Ferguson over the years would be invaluable too.
Lack of friendly appearances (although galling at times) and his personal shenanigans shouldn’t be up for debate if he’s deemed the man to take us forward.

One other thing, Wales are in transition right now. Giggs will command respect on the training ground.

Giggs managerial experiences, 4 games, couldn't sleep and broke down at the end of the season.

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ryan-giggs-admits-to-tears-at-end-of-short-spell-as-manchester-united-manager-9489258.html

That's 4 games with nothing on the line. He didn't have to fight relegation or win a cup, he just needed to pick 11 men each week. I've said I'd support Giggs if he gets the job but that doesn't mean I'm in any support of it, it'll be the biggest mistake in Welsh football history. How will he react when he has the tiniest bit of pressure on him if he cracks in a dead rubber against Southampton?

Van Gaal looked like he'd lost it by the time he got to Man United, I used to look forward to his press conferences because they were comedy gold for all the wrong reasons. No Ferguson player has ever succeeded in management, not even his coaches or assistants did.

Respect on the training ground will last until his first mistake. What happens if he puts on a bad session? How will those players react when they look up to him and he tells them they aren't in the starting line up, will he be able to manage that correctly? If Brooks is doing brilliant for Sheffield United in a role and he comes to Wales and gets told he needs to be more disciplined and fit within our style how will he react, how will Giggs handle that situation? I worked with a footballer I idolised growing up, after a few weeks I'd lost all respect I had for him, there's only so long you can be in awe of people's achievements.

[joseywales37]

Nov 28, 2017 19:42:00 GMT conwy10 said:

Nov 27, 2017 11:34:35 GMT massivefloodlights said:

As assistant to Van Gaal he’d of learnt a lot, despite Van Gaals reluctance to play the Utd way. Giggs did temporarily take over and gave Tom Lawrence his Utd debut. So yes he has some managererial experience. What he learnt under Ferguson over the years would be invaluable too.
Lack of friendly appearances (although galling at times) and his personal shenanigans shouldn’t be up for debate if he’s deemed the man to take us forward.

One other thing, Wales are in transition right now. Giggs will command respect on the training ground.

Giggs managerial experiences, 4 games, couldn't sleep and broke down at the end of the season.

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ryan-giggs-admits-to-tears-at-end-of-short-spell-as-manchester-united-manager-9489258.html

That's 4 games with nothing on the line. He didn't have to fight relegation or win a cup, he just needed to pick 11 men each week. I've said I'd support Giggs if he gets the job but that doesn't mean I'm in any support of it, it'll be the biggest mistake in Welsh football history. How will he react when he has the tiniest bit of pressure on him if he cracks in a dead rubber against Southampton?

Van Gaal looked like he'd lost it by the time he got to Man United, I used to look forward to his press conferences because they were comedy gold for all the wrong reasons. No Ferguson player has ever succeeded in management, not even his coaches or assistants did.

Respect on the training ground will last until his first mistake. What happens if he puts on a bad session? How will those players react when they look up to him and he tells them they aren't in the starting line up, will he be able to manage that correctly? If Brooks is doing brilliant for Sheffield United in a role and he comes to Wales and gets told he needs to be more disciplined and fit within our style how will he react, how will Giggs handle that situation? I worked with a footballer I idolised growing up, after a few weeks I'd lost all respect I had for him, there's only so long you can be in awe of people's achievements.

Well I think anyone would lose sleep when your first job is managing a job the size a Man Utd surely ?. As far as management goes there are only a few of the names being mentioned that have more experience than Giggs, all the rest he has at least same or more, as far as being one of the greatest players in world football never mind just Wales, only Henry stands up to him. Van Gaal has always been a very confident manager, and always makes the decisions that makes sense to him, was only there 2 years and still won cup, which is still more than most win in 2 years, the only reason he got boot is because prem league is toughest most cut throat league in world, so imo Giggs couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off. Since Fergie era, I'm pretty certain that there been more former Utd players as prem league managers than any other club, might not have won much silverware, but then look at the power of the top 6, so their success should be more measured by the fact that prem clubs see them as knowledgeable that these clubs see them as good enough to take on. 

[saints19]

Nov 28, 2017 11:41:27 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Nov 28, 2017 11:34:26 GMT 1gwaunview said:

'Stronger Together' - Would there ever be a more divisive appointment?

*Together Stronger

Stronger Together is that crook Hilary's campaign slogan. 

And Theresa May went with the much more different......Forward Together.

[gwernybwch]

Nov 28, 2017 20:34:34 GMT joseywales37 said:

Well I think anyone would lose sleep when your first job is managing a job the size a Man Utd surely ?. As far as management goes there are only a few of the names being mentioned that have more experience than Giggs, all the rest he has at least same or more, as far as being one of the greatest players in world football never mind just Wales, only Henry stands up to him. Van Gaal has always been a very confident manager, and always makes the decisions that makes sense to him, was only there 2 years and still won cup, which is still more than most win in 2 years, the only reason he got boot is because prem league is toughest most cut throat league in world, so imo Giggs couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off. Since Fergie era, I'm pretty certain that there been more former Utd players as prem league managers than any other club, might not have won much silverware, but then look at the power of the top 6, so their success should be more measured by the fact that prem clubs see them as knowledgeable that these clubs see them as good enough to take on. 

If clubs think of ex-Ferguson players as knowledgeable and "good enough to take on", I'm wondering, particularly as he "couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off", why you think that there haven't a queue for the services of Mr. R Giggs Esq?

[cymruramdcfc]

Nov 29, 2017 8:54:12 GMT gwernybwch said:

Nov 28, 2017 20:34:34 GMT joseywales37 said:

Well I think anyone would lose sleep when your first job is managing a job the size a Man Utd surely ?. As far as management goes there are only a few of the names being mentioned that have more experience than Giggs, all the rest he has at least same or more, as far as being one of the greatest players in world football never mind just Wales, only Henry stands up to him. Van Gaal has always been a very confident manager, and always makes the decisions that makes sense to him, was only there 2 years and still won cup, which is still more than most win in 2 years, the only reason he got boot is because prem league is toughest most cut throat league in world, so imo Giggs couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off. Since Fergie era, I'm pretty certain that there been more former Utd players as prem league managers than any other club, might not have won much silverware, but then look at the power of the top 6, so their success should be more measured by the fact that prem clubs see them as knowledgeable that these clubs see them as good enough to take on. 

If clubs think of ex-Ferguson players as knowledgeable and "good enough to take on", I'm wondering, particularly as he "couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off", why you think that there haven't a queue for the services of Mr. R Giggs Esq?

thats what alot of us thinking, why not took on a management at club level.... maybe he is waiting for the one lined up for him, next manager of wales? 

ps
happy birthday giggsy from all on here 

[1gwaunview]

Perhaps there's a sense of entitlement, in that he's not prepared to work lower down the pyramid.

[cymruramdcfc]

Nov 29, 2017 11:10:10 GMT 1gwaunview said:

Perhaps there's a sense of entitlement, in that he's not prepared to work lower down the pyramid.

did Hughes? 

[phillywelsh83]

Nov 29, 2017 9:00:03 GMT cymruramdcfc said:

Nov 29, 2017 8:54:12 GMT gwernybwch said:

If clubs think of ex-Ferguson players as knowledgeable and "good enough to take on", I'm wondering, particularly as he "couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off", why you think that there haven't a queue for the services of Mr. R Giggs Esq?

thats what alot of us thinking, why not took on a management at club level.... maybe he is waiting for the one lined up for him, next manager of wales? 

ps
happy birthday giggsy from all on here 

Well he was considered for Swans job, but wasnt interested. Hes not like alot of the players just before him, who didnt earn quite as much. He has no financial pressure to accept any job. Hes being selective, which is both positive and negative. 

[cymroircarn]

Nov 29, 2017 13:42:53 GMT cymruramdcfc said:

Nov 29, 2017 11:10:10 GMT 1gwaunview said:

Perhaps there's a sense of entitlement, in that he's not prepared to work lower down the pyramid.

did Hughes? 

Didnt Hughes go straight from playing into management though?

Giggs hasn’t had a job for a while so situations are different in my eyes.

[1gwaunview]

Wasn't Mark Hughes still playing club football (Southampton) when he took over Wales job, and carried on playing for a while after?

[fiveattheback]

Nov 29, 2017 14:14:31 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Nov 29, 2017 9:00:03 GMT cymruramdcfc said:

thats what alot of us thinking, why not took on a management at club level.... maybe he is waiting for the one lined up for him, next manager of wales? 

ps
happy birthday giggsy from all on here 

Well he was considered for Swans job, but wasnt interested. Hes not like alot of the players just before him, who didnt earn quite as much. He has no financial pressure to accept any job. Hes being selective, which is both positive and negative. 

They chose Bob Bradley ahead of him, that says something, surely?

[joseywales37]

Nov 29, 2017 8:54:12 GMT gwernybwch said:

Nov 28, 2017 20:34:34 GMT joseywales37 said:

Well I think anyone would lose sleep when your first job is managing a job the size a Man Utd surely ?. As far as management goes there are only a few of the names being mentioned that have more experience than Giggs, all the rest he has at least same or more, as far as being one of the greatest players in world football never mind just Wales, only Henry stands up to him. Van Gaal has always been a very confident manager, and always makes the decisions that makes sense to him, was only there 2 years and still won cup, which is still more than most win in 2 years, the only reason he got boot is because prem league is toughest most cut throat league in world, so imo Giggs couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off. Since Fergie era, I'm pretty certain that there been more former Utd players as prem league managers than any other club, might not have won much silverware, but then look at the power of the top 6, so their success should be more measured by the fact that prem clubs see them as knowledgeable that these clubs see them as good enough to take on. 

If clubs think of ex-Ferguson players as knowledgeable and "good enough to take on", I'm wondering, particularly as he "couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off", why you think that there haven't a queue for the services of Mr. R Giggs Esq?

Well I don't know, don't know how anyone can tell who has done what behind the scenes. My main problem being that I never believe any newspaper or Sky sports/talksport crap, the only time I believe any rumours is when either club or player/manager says something is true . The only club that I have heard of was Swansea, and hell haven't they got managerial appointments right lately lol. I have no idea what clubs Giggs has been in contact with If he has been in contact with any, I have no idea who said what. For all I know, maybe he not interested in certain clubs or jobs for whatever reason. And I don't know if he interested in Wales job or if FAW interested in him (if they are hope don't get turned by some of the ridiculous things some on social media have said) .

All I do know is what is facts that everyone knows, had Fergie as mentor/ manager for nearly 20 years and won pretty much everything at club level, temp managed Man Utd, assistant to Van Gaal for 2 years, highly praised by both, that Giggs was a great player on world level, and I think I read somewhere that 29 ex players from Fergie era went on to become managers of varying success levels, I just don't think clubs can take managers on on a wim, they have to believe the are knowledgeable surely ?, also Giggs the only one to get in the Man Utd hot seat and did ok. Has coaching badges.

I just think that players who reached the highest levels in the game, have played in the biggest games especially on regular basis and for many years have very good platform to go into management should they wish.

Why aren't clubs clambering for most the names mentioned ?

[ae15]

Nov 29, 2017 16:46:28 GMT fiveattheback said:

Nov 29, 2017 14:14:31 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Well he was considered for Swans job, but wasnt interested. Hes not like alot of the players just before him, who didnt earn quite as much. He has no financial pressure to accept any job. Hes being selective, which is both positive and negative. 

They chose Bob Bradley ahead of him, that says something, surely?

To be fair, that was only because of the American owners.

[conwy10]

Nov 28, 2017 20:34:34 GMT joseywales37 said:

Nov 28, 2017 19:42:00 GMT conwy10 said:

Giggs managerial experiences, 4 games, couldn't sleep and broke down at the end of the season.

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ryan-giggs-admits-to-tears-at-end-of-short-spell-as-manchester-united-manager-9489258.html

That's 4 games with nothing on the line. He didn't have to fight relegation or win a cup, he just needed to pick 11 men each week. I've said I'd support Giggs if he gets the job but that doesn't mean I'm in any support of it, it'll be the biggest mistake in Welsh football history. How will he react when he has the tiniest bit of pressure on him if he cracks in a dead rubber against Southampton?

Van Gaal looked like he'd lost it by the time he got to Man United, I used to look forward to his press conferences because they were comedy gold for all the wrong reasons. No Ferguson player has ever succeeded in management, not even his coaches or assistants did.

Respect on the training ground will last until his first mistake. What happens if he puts on a bad session? How will those players react when they look up to him and he tells them they aren't in the starting line up, will he be able to manage that correctly? If Brooks is doing brilliant for Sheffield United in a role and he comes to Wales and gets told he needs to be more disciplined and fit within our style how will he react, how will Giggs handle that situation? I worked with a footballer I idolised growing up, after a few weeks I'd lost all respect I had for him, there's only so long you can be in awe of people's achievements.

Well I think anyone would lose sleep when your first job is managing a job the size a Man Utd surely ?. As far as management goes there are only a few of the names being mentioned that have more experience than Giggs, all the rest he has at least same or more, as far as being one of the greatest players in world football never mind just Wales, only Henry stands up to him. Van Gaal has always been a very confident manager, and always makes the decisions that makes sense to him, was only there 2 years and still won cup, which is still more than most win in 2 years, the only reason he got boot is because prem league is toughest most cut throat league in world, so imo Giggs couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off. Since Fergie era, I'm pretty certain that there been more former Utd players as prem league managers than any other club, might not have won much silverware, but then look at the power of the top 6, so their success should be more measured by the fact that prem clubs see them as knowledgeable that these clubs see them as good enough to take on. 

The pressure couldn't have been any less on him. If he'd lost every game it was Van Gaals fault. Surely Wales is just as big as Man United so he'll be losing sleep over that too.

At what point does it become ok to lose sleep over the club size? I wouldn't want anyone who cracks under the smallest amount of pressure making the decisions for my country.

[conwy10]

Nov 29, 2017 9:00:03 GMT cymruramdcfc said:

Nov 29, 2017 8:54:12 GMT gwernybwch said:

If clubs think of ex-Ferguson players as knowledgeable and "good enough to take on", I'm wondering, particularly as he "couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off", why you think that there haven't a queue for the services of Mr. R Giggs Esq?

thats what alot of us thinking, why not took on a management at club level.... maybe he is waiting for the one lined up for him, next manager of wales? 

ps
happy birthday giggsy from all on here 

If he had the Wales job lined up and the Swansea interview went well where would that leave Wales? I have no doubts he wants to get into management but can't because he isn't that appealing of a candidate. The level he could get a job he isn't interested in lowering himself to. Maybe when Salford are in the Premier League he'll get his chance.

[manulike]

The way things are going at stoke, the Swans can have the Dream Team of Hughes+Giggs before Xmas...

[joseywales37]

Nov 29, 2017 22:32:52 GMT conwy10 said:

Nov 28, 2017 20:34:34 GMT joseywales37 said:

Well I think anyone would lose sleep when your first job is managing a job the size a Man Utd surely ?. As far as management goes there are only a few of the names being mentioned that have more experience than Giggs, all the rest he has at least same or more, as far as being one of the greatest players in world football never mind just Wales, only Henry stands up to him. Van Gaal has always been a very confident manager, and always makes the decisions that makes sense to him, was only there 2 years and still won cup, which is still more than most win in 2 years, the only reason he got boot is because prem league is toughest most cut throat league in world, so imo Giggs couldn't have had 2 better managers to learn off. Since Fergie era, I'm pretty certain that there been more former Utd players as prem league managers than any other club, might not have won much silverware, but then look at the power of the top 6, so their success should be more measured by the fact that prem clubs see them as knowledgeable that these clubs see them as good enough to take on. 

The pressure couldn't have been any less on him. If he'd lost every game it was Van Gaals fault. Surely Wales is just as big as Man United so he'll be losing sleep over that too.

At what point does it become ok to lose sleep over the club size? I wouldn't want anyone who cracks under the smallest amount of pressure making the decisions for my country.

I would think that the losing sleep thing was taken out of context, we don't know, it is something I would think any prem manager would be saying stuff like that.

As much as I love my beloved Wales, and trust me I look forward to seeing Wales more than watching club football half the time, most the jobs in the prem are bigger than international jobs, simply because it is the biggest most cut throat league in the world and the money involved is ridiculous. I think clubs have to have a lot of trust in their new appointments abilities and the new manager has to have a bit of something about him, I do believe the best way for new up and coming managers now is the lower league/international route first to cut their teeth. Slavan Bilic looks ruined and might need time out after going at West Ham. Wales is technically a part time job (Hence Cookie saying he missed the day to day work of a club manager), our squad comprises of a Galactico, a few very good prem players, a few prem players that struggle to hold down places, a few championship players, some of whom also struggle to hold first team place. Even the lowest prem teams are packed with huge egos on mega wages. So basically what I'm saying is the Wales job is nowhere near as big as Man Utd job, never the less, its as important. So then Giggs taking over for a small amount of / being assistant is pretty big deal.
 
We have just lost our most successful ever boss to a bottom of the championship side. Imo, there are only a few international jobs that most coaches would leave their prem club for, one of them and it pains me to say it is them over bridge, we are not. We might get a few assistant managers, managers out of work, managers that have just been or about to be sacked and the one I think suits us best after Hughes, Speedo and Cookie relative success is the youngish manager with no or upto a couple of years experience.

And here is something controversial to say, but only Giggs and Henry out of that list would stand a chance of a job with a top 6 prem side in future, obviously Man Utd and Arsenal. 

Out of the contenders list, 2 have just been sacked (Pulis and Bilic), 1 is a bit dinosaurish for our job imo, the other just looks broken. Another (Robinson), I'm not sure how he along with the other 2 mentioned, excite and inspire the big players we have and the potential world class youngsters coming through (I could be completely wrong though), Bellamy, great passionate Welshman of course, great player and obviously assistant at Cardiff, just appears that can be a bit scary lol, not adverse to him. And imo that leaves Henry, Giggs and Os with all the right credentials for the Wales job, except a big part of me thinks Osian IS mr Wales , but is a tricky situation, as I not sure of having someone as amazing doing the job he does, he is precious where he is with what he does with all the age groups etc. Imo out of Giggs and Henry, Giggs is more experienced manager wise and obviously Welsh, but both were world class players who played at the highest level and played under the greatest managers in the game for many years. Both would be in the greatest ever premier league players list and I suspect be very highly regarded by their peers.

[derynglas]

What about Giggs with Bellamy as assistant?
Giggs to advise,encourage and inspire,Bellamy to throw cups of
tea round the dressing room when their underperforming!
Seriously Osian will still be there and will have more influence
with either of these 2 than with a foreign or more experienced manager.
Weve been on a trajectory since Sparky took over.Fantastic young
dual qualified youngsters are choosing us over England.
Were doing something right.If it aint broke,dont fix it.

[fiveattheback]

Nov 30, 2017 15:14:20 GMT derynglas said:

What about Giggs with Bellamy as assistant?
Giggs to advise,encourage and inspire,Bellamy to throw cups of
tea round the dressing room when their underperforming!
Seriously Osian will still be there and will have more influence
with either of these 2 than with a foreign or more experienced manager.
Weve been on a trajectory since Sparky took over.Fantastic young
dual qualified youngsters are choosing us over England.
Were doing something right.If it aint broke,dont fix it.

Nothing about Giggs says "inspire"

[cymroircarn]

The only positive for Giggs is he is a big name (like him or not)

Otherwise he is as much of a risk as any other unproven ex-pro.

For me that is not enough reason to give him the job.

Giggs doesn’t inspire me, he doesn’t come across as a thinker.

Bellamy at least does tick those boxes.

[conwy10]

Nov 30, 2017 13:38:18 GMT joseywales37 said:

Nov 29, 2017 22:32:52 GMT conwy10 said:

The pressure couldn't have been any less on him. If he'd lost every game it was Van Gaals fault. Surely Wales is just as big as Man United so he'll be losing sleep over that too.

At what point does it become ok to lose sleep over the club size? I wouldn't want anyone who cracks under the smallest amount of pressure making the decisions for my country.

I would think that the losing sleep thing was taken out of context, we don't know, it is something I would think any prem manager would be saying stuff like that.

As much as I love my beloved Wales, and trust me I look forward to seeing Wales more than watching club football half the time, most the jobs in the prem are bigger than international jobs, simply because it is the biggest most cut throat league in the world and the money involved is ridiculous. I think clubs have to have a lot of trust in their new appointments abilities and the new manager has to have a bit of something about him, I do believe the best way for new up and coming managers now is the lower league/international route first to cut their teeth. Slavan Bilic looks ruined and might need time out after going at West Ham. Wales is technically a part time job (Hence Cookie saying he missed the day to day work of a club manager), our squad comprises of a Galactico, a few very good prem players, a few prem players that struggle to hold down places, a few championship players, some of whom also struggle to hold first team place. Even the lowest prem teams are packed with huge egos on mega wages. So basically what I'm saying is the Wales job is nowhere near as big as Man Utd job, never the less, its as important. So then Giggs taking over for a small amount of / being assistant is pretty big deal.
 
We have just lost our most successful ever boss to a bottom of the championship side. Imo, there are only a few international jobs that most coaches would leave their prem club for, one of them and it pains me to say it is them over bridge, we are not. We might get a few assistant managers, managers out of work, managers that have just been or about to be sacked and the one I think suits us best after Hughes, Speedo and Cookie relative success is the youngish manager with no or upto a couple of years experience.

And here is something controversial to say, but only Giggs and Henry out of that list would stand a chance of a job with a top 6 prem side in future, obviously Man Utd and Arsenal. 

Out of the contenders list, 2 have just been sacked (Pulis and Bilic), 1 is a bit dinosaurish for our job imo, the other just looks broken. Another (Robinson), I'm not sure how he along with the other 2 mentioned, excite and inspire the big players we have and the potential world class youngsters coming through (I could be completely wrong though), Bellamy, great passionate Welshman of course, great player and obviously assistant at Cardiff, just appears that can be a bit scary lol, not adverse to him. And imo that leaves Henry, Giggs and Os with all the right credentials for the Wales job, except a big part of me thinks Osian IS mr Wales , but is a tricky situation, as I not sure of having someone as amazing doing the job he does, he is precious where he is with what he does with all the age groups etc. Imo out of Giggs and Henry, Giggs is more experienced manager wise and obviously Welsh, but both were world class players who played at the highest level and played under the greatest managers in the game for many years. Both would be in the greatest ever premier league players list and I suspect be very highly regarded by their peers.

I can understand why people consider club football bigger than international football but I think differently. I consider international football much bigger than club football, I dreamt of winning the World Cup not the Champions League.

Probably Giggs and Henry would be the only with a chance of a top 6 team but that's their issue not Wales. I have no idea what Colemans motivation was to go to Sunderland, probably financial. I don't know Giggs reasons for saying he couldn't sleep either but I see it as a sign of weakness. If I was choosing the manager I'd grill him on it, I wouldn't want him cracking when the heat gets turned up in qualifying. Like I keep saying if it was 10 years ago and still being in contention to qualify after 4 matches was like being on cloud 9 absolutely, give him a go.

If and it's a big if our players would only respond to a big name manager then I'm sorry but they aren't right for the Wales squad. We have no egos in our camp, can you seriously imagine Carl Robinson giving Gareth Bale advice and Bale ignores it because he's only Carl Robinson?

[conwy10]

Nov 30, 2017 15:14:20 GMT derynglas said:

What about Giggs with Bellamy as assistant?
Giggs to advise,encourage and inspire,Bellamy to throw cups of
tea round the dressing room when their underperforming!
Seriously Osian will still be there and will have more influence
with either of these 2 than with a foreign or more experienced manager.
Weve been on a trajectory since Sparky took over.Fantastic young
dual qualified youngsters are choosing us over England.
Were doing something right.If it aint broke,dont fix it.

Do we have to shoe horn Giggs into a role? Crazy idea but can we just overlook some people if they aren't qualified? It seems people think Giggs and Bellamy must play a role in the Wales set up regardless of what it is.

We need people to fit roles not roles to fit people. Osian needs to be either manager or assistant, if he's manager he picks his own assistant. If he's assistant we need someone qualified as a manager, not a motivational speaker or a salesman or whatever. We can't have Osian doing all the work and hire someone just to say "keep your head up son" "okay is everyone listening? Osian will be taking today's session.... again"

[phillywelsh83]

Some of the comments about Giggs are clueless, bred out of being on a bandwagon of hate, from missing friendlies. Its crazy, take your little googles off and look at it impartially for a change. Then we can have a sensible discussion about why Giggs is or isnt a good candidate.

[alarch]

Only just spotted this article: www.unibet.co.uk/blog/football/international-football/the-wales-job-is-one-of-the-most-difficult-in-british-football-–-ryan-giggs-is-wholly-unqualified-for-it-1.970579

Rather harsh assessment - but Keble makes a number or very strong points. The point he makes about Hughes' self-aggrandising support for Giggs is an especially trenchant observation.

[holmesdaleultra]

Good article.

[saints19]

Is there any chance you can paste the text into this thread as the link is not working for me?