Giggs

[fiveattheback]

Dec 20, 2017 16:14:08 GMT saints19 said:

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The Welsh FA appear to be hypnotised by the romance of handing him the job, but he’s done nothing to earn it

LET’S just hope that, unlike Swansea City, the Welsh FA’s ambitions can match those of Giggsy, who to be fair has shown remarkable dedication throughout his career to protecting and enhancing the brand of Ryan Giggs.



Lest we forget, Giggs’s previous ambitions include consistently refusing to represent his country in friendly matches for fear of injury, shirking responsibility for his role as player/coach under David Moyes by lamenting his decision not to retire a year earlier, and refusing to entertain the possibility of management outside the elite.



The arrogance of Giggs’ career choices since retirement are breathtaking, but not surprising: this is a man who is reportedly arguing his own “genius” in the high court in an effort to win more money from his divorce of Stacey Cooke.



Usually such swaggering arrogance in a young coach marks the death of their prospective career (what a surprise no Premier League club has gone near Giggs since his “underwhelming” Swansea interview), and yet Giggs has emerged as the favourite to succeed Chris Coleman as Wales manager – no doubt thanks to the successful lobbying of countless B-rated ex-pros in the media lamenting the decline of British coaches.


For the Welsh FA’s part, unless they plump for Tony Pulis (11/13), they appear to be hypnotised by the romance of the story instead of coldly considering the implications of replacing a hard-working and humble tactician who oozed national pride with a man of polar opposite characteristics. Giggs has managed a football team for a grand total of four matches (which reportedly ended with him in tears over the pressure of the role) while continually refusing opportunities to learn and grow as a coach lower down the pyramid.



There’s a kind of mocking irony to the fact Giggs’ narcissism led to one of the most bizarrely destructive decisions of his young coaching career – turning down the opportunity to assist football’s most successful egomaniac, Jose Mourinho. What could Giggsy possibly have learnt from studying under one of the most celebrated tacticians in the history of football? His princely education at Manchester United, graduating to aristocracy as a player, surely qualifies him as a bona fide top-level manager?



Well, in a role bigger than little old Swansea, anyway. Like Wales, for example: a job which requires tactical and psychological coaching in double-time during those occasional two-week international breaks; which requires building a team based on hard work mixed with recognition that they are underdogs in their profession; and which requires building upon the extraordinary success of arguably the greatest coach in Wales’s history, while restoring belief to a set of players who may wearily believe they peaked in 2016. It is one of the most difficult jobs in football right now, and one Giggs appears wholly unqualified for, and that’s before you even touch upon how he might relate to the current players.





How are the likes of Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey expected to react if Giggs enters the Wales dressing room? After the genuine heroics of Euro 2016, Giggs is no longer the god-like beacon of Welsh national pride that Robbie Savage makes him out to be; the vast majority of the current squad have already achieved more than Giggs at national level. That his refusal to play in friendly matches may have affected Wales’ momentum during the 43-year-old’s playing days won’t be lost on this squad.



Savage isn’t the only Welshman to speak out in favour of Giggs, but it is telling that the only other notable recommendation, from Mark Hughes, speaks only in terms of how it might assist the man himself, not the nation as a whole. “I know from my experience of getting the Welsh job early in my career […] all that was a learning experience for myself and I found it invaluable,” he told BBC Sportsweek. This is hardly a ringing endorsement for a job where expectations are at an all-time high.



Not that we can say with confidence Giggs would fail. How could we possibly know? His only coaching experience came as an assistant at United during their worst three years since the 1980s, which is precisely why handing him the job would be careless in the extreme.



Wales thrived under Coleman because he preached unity, modesty, and national pride. Giggs’s refusal to rise organically through the coaching ranks betrays an entitlement entirely at odds with these characteristics.

[saints19]

Diolch.

[saints19]

Giggs might eventually grow into the role, although there is absolutely no certainty of that. What we can say for a reasonable certainty is that the other coaches we have hired in recent years who have been relatively inexperienced - Hughes, Speed, and Coleman - all took some time to find their feet. At this time, with Bale and Ramsey entering their peak years, it's not something we can afford to do. It's blatantly obvious this is the case, so the FAW should not consider Giggs. At all. Pulis or Roberts are the only two I would consider of those of the three.

[alarch]

Dec 20, 2017 16:31:49 GMT saints19 said:

Giggs might eventually grow into the role, although there is absolutely no certainty of that. What we can say for a reasonable certainty is that the other coaches we have hired in recent years who have been relatively inexperienced - Hughes, Speed, and Coleman - all took some time to find their feet. At this time, with Bale and Ramsey entering their peak years, it's not something we can afford to do. It's blatantly obvious this is the case, so the FAW should not consider Giggs. At all. Pulis or Roberts are the only two I would consider of those of the three.

Take out the words "Pulis or" and I'm in 100% agreement.

[alarch]

Not that I'm suggesting that Roberts is schizophrenic or anything...

[gwernybwch]

A hatchet job?
For me it lists the majority of the reasons why he is wholly unqualified for the job.

[Griff105]

Harsh but fair springs to mind.

And this bit sums up me me me that is Mark Hughes-
Mark Hughes, speaks only in terms of how it might assist the man himself, not the nation as a whole. “I know from my experience of getting the Welsh job early in my career […] all that was a learning experience for myself and I found it invaluable,”

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Dec 20, 2017 18:47:26 GMT Griff105 said:

Harsh but fair springs to mind.

And this bit sums up me me me that is Mark Hughes-
Mark Hughes, speaks only in terms of how it might assist the man himself, not the nation as a whole. “I know from my experience of getting the Welsh job early in my career […] all that was a learning experience for myself and I found it invaluable,”

And he left us in a shambles.

[alarch]

hatchet job

"a fierce written attack on someone or their work."

[pendragon]

With the greatest of respect, many of these arguments could also be applied to Bellamy. Bar his passion, can we really say that he is qualified for the role? Yet he is now bookmakers' favourite apparently.. Say what you want about Giggs, he was at least an exceptional player. He will have knowledge of tactics - whether he is adept at deploying them effectively is another matter and I fully accept that. We don't have a glowing list of candidates and we must do the best with what we have. Osian is the best candidate for me in terms of commitment, passion and experience of having been Coleman's no. 2. My fear is that he may be too like Coleman in his managerial style as I feel we need a fresh approach. What worked for us eighteen months ago is no longer working now. That's just my opinion.

[texan]

Dec 21, 2017 10:24:42 GMT pendragon said:

With the greatest of respect, many of these arguments could also be applied to Bellamy. Bar his passion, can we really say that he is qualified for the role? Yet he is now bookmakers' favourite apparently.. Say what you want about Giggs, he was at least an exceptional player. He will have knowledge of tactics - whether he is adept at deploying them effectively is another matter and I fully accept that. We don't have a glowing list of candidates and we must do the best with what we have. Osian is the best candidate for me in terms of commitment, passion and experience of having been Coleman's no. 2. My fear is that he may be too like Coleman in his managerial style as I feel we need a fresh approach. What worked for us eighteen months ago is no longer working now. That's just my opinion.

Not that many really, other than the experience angle and how the players would react internally, their candidacies are worlds apart. Bellamy has intimate knowledge of the current Welsh setup, has been taught by Roberts in the Welsh Way and is a fierce advocate of it, will be highly passionate and driven to succeed and (so I'm told) has a very broad knowledge of the Welsh players in the youth system/development pathway. Of them both, Bellamy is by a huge margin visibly the better fit for the FAW.

I agree however that of the named candidates Roberts should be the one. But I don't think our WCQ failures were as a result of our 18 month old tactics no longer being effective, I feel it was rather because we no longer used them to their fullest effect, too many players had hangovers unfortunately.

Our in-game transitions certainly needed to evolve during 16/17 to take us to the next level, and the introduction of the young players was a big element of that (which in my opinion happened a little too late in the day). However this evolution coincided with normally solid areas of our game inexplicably falling away to undermine our campaign. I don't think we need to reinvent the wheel with a fresh tactical approach, rather a fresh and enthusiastic new voice to simply tighten up what we have back to 2016 levels and move it forward from there. Roberts is ideal for this, and I'd be interested to see what Bellamy's voice would add to the mix alongside that of Roberts.

I'm not convinced we're anywhere near the truth with the candidate names however. I have a feeling the FAW are playing their cards close to their chest with this one, It wouldn't surprise me if a new name out of left-field will appear in the new year, one we haven't even thought of yet!

[pendragon]

Great insight there. I agree with many of your points. It is hard to pinpoint exactly what went wrong but I think a combination of different variables contributed to the final outcome. I do think we were plagued by injuries and suspensions at critical moments. We were definitely good enough to progress further but we conceded our lead on five separate occasions where we really shouldn't have. I definitely agree that the transition of younger players into the main squad happened too late in the day and I felt that our defence were sloppy on some occasions. I did get the feeling that the format was becoming a bit tired tbh and that we had effectively been "sussed" out by more defensive oppositions. I think we just didn't have enough to counter that when we really needed to. My other concern with Coleman - and by default, potentially Osian - was that I perceived him to be too loyal to the "old guard" and hence, found him too pragmatic in his approach to team formation and starting line-ups on occasion. As Coleman and Osian are popular with supporters on here, I know some of my comments will be considered "controversial". Apologies in advance though - they're just my personal views.

[gwernybwch]

Another article by Giggs' mouthpiece -
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/ryan-giggs-outlines-would-perfectly-14071019

Apparently Giggs is well aware of the 'Welsh system'. Not sure how. He did the majority of his training badges in England, doesn't watch the Wales international team live and his only other involvement in the Wales setup is through his sponsorship with a burger joint.

Ahh, the reason why he hasn't dropped down the leagues to coach is because he is more comfortable managing top players.
Err, Ryan mate you do realise that Scunthorpe's Andrew Crofts and Barnsley's Tom Bradshaw both played in the last match?

[CrackityJones]

Pasting a good article posted elsewhere so we’ve got all that lovely hate in one place:

The Welsh FA appear to be hypnotised by the romance of handing him the job, but he’s done nothing to earn it

LET’S just hope that, unlike Swansea City, the Welsh FA’s ambitions can match those of Giggsy, who to be fair has shown remarkable dedication throughout his career to protecting and enhancing the brand of Ryan Giggs.



Lest we forget, Giggs’s previous ambitions include consistently refusing to represent his country in friendly matches for fear of injury, shirking responsibility for his role as player/coach under David Moyes by lamenting his decision not to retire a year earlier, and refusing to entertain the possibility of management outside the elite.



The arrogance of Giggs’ career choices since retirement are breathtaking, but not surprising: this is a man who is reportedly arguing his own “genius” in the high court in an effort to win more money from his divorce of Stacey Cooke.



Usually such swaggering arrogance in a young coach marks the death of their prospective career (what a surprise no Premier League club has gone near Giggs since his “underwhelming” Swansea interview), and yet Giggs has emerged as the favourite to succeed Chris Coleman as Wales manager – no doubt thanks to the successful lobbying of countless B-rated ex-pros in the media lamenting the decline of British coaches.


For the Welsh FA’s part, unless they plump for Tony Pulis (11/13), they appear to be hypnotised by the romance of the story instead of coldly considering the implications of replacing a hard-working and humble tactician who oozed national pride with a man of polar opposite characteristics. Giggs has managed a football team for a grand total of four matches (which reportedly ended with him in tears over the pressure of the role) while continually refusing opportunities to learn and grow as a coach lower down the pyramid.



There’s a kind of mocking irony to the fact Giggs’ narcissism led to one of the most bizarrely destructive decisions of his young coaching career – turning down the opportunity to assist football’s most successful egomaniac, Jose Mourinho. What could Giggsy possibly have learnt from studying under one of the most celebrated tacticians in the history of football? His princely education at Manchester United, graduating to aristocracy as a player, surely qualifies him as a bona fide top-level manager?



Well, in a role bigger than little old Swansea, anyway. Like Wales, for example: a job which requires tactical and psychological coaching in double-time during those occasional two-week international breaks; which requires building a team based on hard work mixed with recognition that they are underdogs in their profession; and which requires building upon the extraordinary success of arguably the greatest coach in Wales’s history, while restoring belief to a set of players who may wearily believe they peaked in 2016. It is one of the most difficult jobs in football right now, and one Giggs appears wholly unqualified for, and that’s before you even touch upon how he might relate to the current players.





How are the likes of Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey expected to react if Giggs enters the Wales dressing room? After the genuine heroics of Euro 2016, Giggs is no longer the god-like beacon of Welsh national pride that Robbie Savage makes him out to be; the vast majority of the current squad have already achieved more than Giggs at national level. That his refusal to play in friendly matches may have affected Wales’ momentum during the 43-year-old’s playing days won’t be lost on this squad.



Savage isn’t the only Welshman to speak out in favour of Giggs, but it is telling that the only other notable recommendation, from Mark Hughes, speaks only in terms of how it might assist the man himself, not the nation as a whole. “I know from my experience of getting the Welsh job early in my career […] all that was a learning experience for myself and I found it invaluable,” he told BBC Sportsweek. This is hardly a ringing endorsement for a job where expectations are at an all-time high.



Not that we can say with confidence Giggs would fail. How could we possibly know? His only coaching experience came as an assistant at United during their worst three years since the 1980s, which is precisely why handing him the job would be careless in the extreme.



Wales thrived under Coleman because he preached unity, modesty, and national pride. Giggs’s refusal to rise organically through the coaching ranks betrays an entitlement entirely at odds with these characteristics.

[conwy10]

Dec 22, 2017 19:04:48 GMT gwernybwch said:

Another article by Giggs' mouthpiece -
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/ryan-giggs-outlines-would-perfectly-14071019

Apparently Giggs is well aware of the 'Welsh system'. Not sure how. He did the majority of his training badges in England, doesn't watch the Wales international team live and his only other involvement in the Wales setup is through his sponsorship with a burger joint.

Ahh, the reason why he hasn't dropped down the leagues to coach is because he is more comfortable managing top players.
Err, Ryan mate you do realise that Scunthorpe's Andrew Crofts and Barnsley's Tom Bradshaw both played in the last match?

Depends what he means by the Welsh system. If he means how to play the system to get a job I kind of agree with him. He's got the experience of David Unsworth and he's one of the top contenders.

[cymroircarn]

Dec 22, 2017 22:34:41 GMT conwy10 said:

Dec 22, 2017 19:04:48 GMT gwernybwch said:

Another article by Giggs' mouthpiece -
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/ryan-giggs-outlines-would-perfectly-14071019

Apparently Giggs is well aware of the 'Welsh system'. Not sure how. He did the majority of his training badges in England, doesn't watch the Wales international team live and his only other involvement in the Wales setup is through his sponsorship with a burger joint.

Ahh, the reason why he hasn't dropped down the leagues to coach is because he is more comfortable managing top players.
Err, Ryan mate you do realise that Scunthorpe's Andrew Crofts and Barnsley's Tom Bradshaw both played in the last match?

Depends what he means by the Welsh system. If he means how to play the system to get a job I kind of agree with him. He's got the experience of David Unsworth and he's one of the top contenders.

Unsworth has done a cracking job with the Everton U23 side. Giggs has nowhere near that level of experience. What did he have, 4 dead rubbers as Utd manager? Would have a lot more respect for Giggs if he tried to work his way up same as Bellamy and Robinson and not “expect” a top job.

[1gwaunview]

I see Paul Abandonpanto is tub thumping for Giggs again today in the Western Mail. Why??

[gwernybwch]

Because Giggs will keep him in a job. Simple as.

Giggs is such well known and such a divisive figure he sells newspapers and gets clicks on the website. It seems that Giggs (and Toshack) are the only ones that will actually talk to him now, without them Abbandonato will have to rely on 'a source close to the FAW' i.e. just make it up as he goes along.

[conwy10]

Dec 23, 2017 12:24:41 GMT gwernybwch said:

Because Giggs will keep him in a job. Simple as.

Giggs is such well known and such a divisive figure he sells newspapers and gets clicks on the website. It seems that Giggs (and Toshack) are the only ones that will actually talk to him now, without them Abbandonato will have to rely on 'a source close to the FAW' i.e. just make it up as he goes along.

How has Giggs got such a cult following in Welsh football? His success with Wales was limited, not his fault because the team weren't at his level, but it's limited none the less. Imagine what it'd be like if Bale wanted the job in 10 years? The lad dragged Wales into the European Finals.

[derynglas]

Giggs 2 years as coach under Van Gaal seems to be brushed aside as meaningless.
It was not a successfull period by their high standards but they did win the FA cup
which wasnt enough to save Van Gaal but thats the modern game for you.Van Gaal himself
suggested Giggs as his successor so he must have seen something.
Its been said before but we were very very close twice in the Giggs playing era so history
could have been very different but its not really relevant to whether he should be manager.
Football is about opinions and I understand not everybody thinks he should get it but
some of the anti Giggs stuff on here is a bit OTT in my opinion.

[alarch]

I agree that there are a lot of spurious arguments against Giggs (lack of commitment, dodgy morals, blah di blah) - and these provide straw soldiers for the likes of Abbandonato to shoot down. But there is nothing in the character or persona of the man that suggests he would be a good choice. I'd sooner Nathan Jones was given the job to be honest. At least he has some credentials as a manager.

[cymroircarn]

Dec 23, 2017 17:18:12 GMT derynglas said:

Giggs 2 years as coach under Van Gaal seems to be brushed aside as meaningless.
It was not a successfull period by their high standards but they did win the FA cup
which wasnt enough to save Van Gaal but thats the modern game for you.Van Gaal himself
suggested Giggs as his successor so he must have seen something.
Its been said before but we were very very close twice in the Giggs playing era so history
could have been very different but its not really relevant to whether he should be manager.
Football is about opinions and I understand not everybody thinks he should get it but
some of the anti Giggs stuff on here is a bit OTT in my opinion.

Exactly, 2 years ago. That’s a long time in football...

[conwy10]

Dec 23, 2017 17:18:12 GMT derynglas said:

Giggs 2 years as coach under Van Gaal seems to be brushed aside as meaningless.
It was not a successfull period by their high standards but they did win the FA cup
which wasnt enough to save Van Gaal but thats the modern game for you.Van Gaal himself
suggested Giggs as his successor so he must have seen something.
Its been said before but we were very very close twice in the Giggs playing era so history
could have been very different but its not really relevant to whether he should be manager.
Football is about opinions and I understand not everybody thinks he should get it but
some of the anti Giggs stuff on here is a bit OTT in my opinion.

Do you think it was a good experience? Van Gaal kept calling Chris Smalling who was his '3rd captain' Mike Smalling. He was close to cracking in nearly every press conference he did calling reporters fat, it was both painful and hilarious to watch, I'd hate to be a Man United fan at that time. Maybe Giggs did pick up on Van Gaals's genius, can't wait for Giggs to get into the changing rooms when we're 1 nil down at half time and starts telling the players to get horny.

Can I recommend myself for the Wales manager job and when people see how ridiculous it is to appoint a rookie I'll start saying it's anti me?

[joseywales37]

Dec 23, 2017 17:22:42 GMT alarch said:

I agree that there are a lot of spurious arguments against Giggs (lack of commitment, dodgy morals, blah di blah) - and these provide straw soldiers for the likes of Abbandonato to shoot down. But there is nothing in the character or persona of the man that suggests he would be a good choice. I'd sooner Nathan Jones was given the job to be honest. At least he has some credentials as a manager.

Would you consider some of his play on the field as a way of judging some ones character ?. We haven't a lot to go on if we judging by a couple of pundit appearances, and in interviews, some one being quietly spoken doesn't prove anything.

If, as I think we can, judge by on field play, by looking back over Man Utd career AND some play with Wales, I saw a lot of never say die attitude which I love to see in a player and manager .Utd games against Arsenal, Juventus in 99 really spring to mind amongst countless others and Wales games v Belgium, N Ireland, Italy twice spring to mind where Giggs was clearly a beast for us (last game v Italy Bellars and S Davies also top game). Then we have things like the amount of tackling back and cleanly winning ball that was a great part of his game that not many others in same position could or even would do, and last but not least how he changed his game to help prolong his career, something I fear we could lose Bale to unless he does a similar thing. These things alone in football terms show huge character imo. 

There a reason why the likes of Giggs, Henry, Gerrard were being highly spoken of as potential managers before their careers even ended, because the people on the inside obviously could see their leadership on the pitch is a good platform to carry forward. Not saying everyone who played good will defo be great manager, but there is a better likelihood you will, I hardly think Zidane and Guardiola would be where they are if they spent their careers in low leagues.

I think Giggs is buzzing to be in that dressing room with the potential team we have. Out of candidates that I have heard are left now, only Giggs stands out to me now and is a no brainer imo.

[joseywales37]

Dec 23, 2017 19:55:02 GMT conwy10 said:

Dec 23, 2017 17:18:12 GMT derynglas said:

Giggs 2 years as coach under Van Gaal seems to be brushed aside as meaningless.
It was not a successfull period by their high standards but they did win the FA cup
which wasnt enough to save Van Gaal but thats the modern game for you.Van Gaal himself
suggested Giggs as his successor so he must have seen something.
Its been said before but we were very very close twice in the Giggs playing era so history
could have been very different but its not really relevant to whether he should be manager.
Football is about opinions and I understand not everybody thinks he should get it but
some of the anti Giggs stuff on here is a bit OTT in my opinion.

Do you think it was a good experience? Van Gaal kept calling Chris Smalling who was his '3rd captain' Mike Smalling. He was close to cracking in nearly every press conference he did calling reporters fat, it was both painful and hilarious to watch, I'd hate to be a Man United fan at that time. Maybe Giggs did pick up on Van Gaals's genius, can't wait for Giggs to get into the changing rooms when we're 1 nil down at half time and starts telling the players to get horny.

Can I recommend myself for the Wales manager job and when people see how ridiculous it is to appoint a rookie I'll start saying it's anti me?

Hughes and Speed were also rookies, both did decent jobs, the candidates are mostly rookies.  Did you never see interviews with the likes of Keegan, Benitez etc ?, now that's high level managers at the time cracking up from none other than Giggs main mentor Fergie. Not saying that Giggs would be able to pull off that level of genius, but who knows lol. Van Gaals interviews were just merely a case of quite a funny Dutch man trying to communicate in broken English. 

[conwy10]

Dec 25, 2017 10:08:47 GMT joseywales37 said:

Dec 23, 2017 19:55:02 GMT conwy10 said:

Do you think it was a good experience? Van Gaal kept calling Chris Smalling who was his '3rd captain' Mike Smalling. He was close to cracking in nearly every press conference he did calling reporters fat, it was both painful and hilarious to watch, I'd hate to be a Man United fan at that time. Maybe Giggs did pick up on Van Gaals's genius, can't wait for Giggs to get into the changing rooms when we're 1 nil down at half time and starts telling the players to get horny.

Can I recommend myself for the Wales manager job and when people see how ridiculous it is to appoint a rookie I'll start saying it's anti me?

Hughes and Speed were also rookies, both did decent jobs, the candidates are mostly rookies.  Did you never see interviews with the likes of Keegan, Benitez etc ?, now that's high level managers at the time cracking up from none other than Giggs main mentor Fergie. Not saying that Giggs would be able to pull off that level of genius, but who knows lol. Van Gaals interviews were just merely a case of quite a funny Dutch man trying to communicate in broken English. 

Hughes and Speed came in when Wales had nothing to lose, now we have a squad who could achieve. Good point on Keegan and Benitez, I thought Van Gaal was losing his mind from when he started. I'd hate to have spent every day with him, would have made me crazy. I can't see many positives being in that environment.

[pendragon]

What I honestly don't get is that many (not necessarily everyone on here) who deride Giggs want/ prefer Bellamy despite him being another potential "rookie". Apart from being a "passionate Welshman", what has he done to qualify for the role? He's known for having been extremely temperamental and if rumours are to be believed, has had beef with Bale and Ramsay. Leaving Giggs' cheating aside for one moment, someone who may potentially seriously lose their temper with their squad (particularly a young squad) should not be allowed anywhere near the team in my opinion. Someone who frequently loses their temper and has anger issues needs therapy, not a job instructing a young squad who themselves need praise and gentle encouragement for their own personal development.

[joseywales37]

Dec 25, 2017 16:53:01 GMT pendragon said:

What I honestly don't get is that many (not necessarily everyone on here) who deride Giggs want/ prefer Bellamy despite him being another potential "rookie". Apart from being a "passionate Welshman", what has he done to qualify for the role? He's known for having been extremely temperamental and if rumours are to be believed, has had beef with Bale and Ramsay. Leaving Giggs' cheating aside for one moment, someone who may potentially seriously lose their temper with their squad (particularly a young squad) should not be allowed anywhere near the team in my opinion. Someone who frequently loses their temper and has anger issues needs therapy, not a job instructing a young squad who themselves need praise and gentle encouragement for their own personal development.

Apparently decked some woman years ago too and smashed up Liverpool team mate with a golf club. Thing is Giggs unfortunately being a very famous player had his misdemeanour in every news outlet everywhere, and I would say he is now coming out the other side. Where as a lot of others have escaped serious criticism. But as a footballer Bellamy got good footy brain, as has Giggs and that's all that matters. The people running Cardiff and Man Utd have not even contemplated punishing them for past personal mistakes. 

[pendragon]

Dec 25, 2017 19:39:47 GMT joseywales37 said:

Dec 25, 2017 16:53:01 GMT pendragon said:

What I honestly don't get is that many (not necessarily everyone on here) who deride Giggs want/ prefer Bellamy despite him being another potential "rookie". Apart from being a "passionate Welshman", what has he done to qualify for the role? He's known for having been extremely temperamental and if rumours are to be believed, has had beef with Bale and Ramsay. Leaving Giggs' cheating aside for one moment, someone who may potentially seriously lose their temper with their squad (particularly a young squad) should not be allowed anywhere near the team in my opinion. Someone who frequently loses their temper and has anger issues needs therapy, not a job instructing a young squad who themselves need praise and gentle encouragement for their own personal development.

Apparently decked some woman years ago too and smashed up Liverpool team mate with a golf club. Thing is Giggs unfortunately being a very famous player had his misdemeanour in every news outlet everywhere, and I would say he is now coming out the other side. Where as a lot of others have escaped serious criticism. But as a footballer Bellamy got good footy brain, as has Giggs and that's all that matters. The people running Cardiff and Man Utd have not even contemplated punishing them for past personal mistakes. 

Thing is though, you could argue that while not ideal in the slightest or good role model material, Giggs' misdemeanor did not really affect his professional capacity to be able to do his job. Bellamy on the other hand (I had no idea that his past form was anywhere near that bad) has a reputation that could call into question his ability to do his job. Almost every organisation nowadays has an "aggression in the workplace" policy. I'm not sure how he could perform what will be a high pressure role with plenty of opportunities for stress if I'm honest. I think the FAW would be as mad as a box of frogs to take him on and would probably require therapy themselves! 

[pendragon]

Going off topic for a moment, does anyone think it odd that the original author of this thread seems to have mysteriously disappeared? 😉