Giggs

[saints19]

Honestly, I wish people would stop trying to make this about Giggs v Bellamy, it isn't, neither of them would be acceptable appointments. Both are rookies and would be huge gambles. Yes Hughes and Speed eventually fanned out into decent managers but it took years. This squad hasn't the luxury of that sort of time. Giggs also could end up being another Steve Staunton - great player, unsuited to management. Please, stop talking the job down. My first choice is Pulis and if not him then Roberts, if not him then keep the vacancy open. If the FAW give it to Giggs I will be livid.

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Roberts gets a trial for the China tournament? I’m sure Giggs would’ve turned up for that one...

[pendragon]

Dec 26, 2017 3:24:12 GMT saints19 said:

Honestly, I wish people would stop trying to make this about Giggs v Bellamy, it isn't, neither of them would be acceptable appointments. Both are rookies and would be huge gambles. Yes Hughes and Speed eventually fanned out into decent managers but it took years. This squad hasn't the luxury of that sort of time. Giggs also could end up being another Steve Staunton - great player, unsuited to management. Please, stop talking the job down. My first choice is Pulis and if not him then Roberts, if not him then keep the vacancy open. If the FAW give it to Giggs I will be livid.

Oh, Osian beats Giggs and Bellamy hands down in my opinion. But Pulis is also a worry for me. Don't like his brand of football, and not sure how much the FAW will either.

[joseywales37]

Dec 26, 2017 3:24:12 GMT saints19 said:

Honestly, I wish people would stop trying to make this about Giggs v Bellamy, it isn't, neither of them would be acceptable appointments. Both are rookies and would be huge gambles. Yes Hughes and Speed eventually fanned out into decent managers but it took years. This squad hasn't the luxury of that sort of time. Giggs also could end up being another Steve Staunton - great player, unsuited to management. Please, stop talking the job down. My first choice is Pulis and if not him then Roberts, if not him then keep the vacancy open. If the FAW give it to Giggs I will be livid.

It's not Giggs v Bellamy thread, it's about finding out what peoples arguments against Giggs are and why and from my point of view, seeing if I can help change anybody's mind.

The comparison with Bellamy is only made because a lot seem to blindly hate Giggs and blindly support Bellamy, with some stating they don't like Giggs personality (mainly because of situation with brother), and say they would support Bellars over him, where  maybe they have forgotten some things he has done, potentially worse imo.

I am a big Giggs supporter, not going to lie, but will support whoever fully. I am a huge fan of Osian but feel he is irreplaceable in position he already in, but would never oppose his appointment really. But I would really love ,out of candidates, Giggs with Os and would love to see someone like Bellars replace Page at u21 personally. Would also not be adverse to Henry, but wouldn't be really happy with dinosaur types or broken types like Pulis or Bilic as I think the players we got deserve fresh forward thinking people who will inspire just by who they are never mind what their knowledge.

[marsvolta]

Dec 26, 2017 14:03:27 GMT joseywales37 said:

Dec 26, 2017 3:24:12 GMT saints19 said:

Honestly, I wish people would stop trying to make this about Giggs v Bellamy, it isn't, neither of them would be acceptable appointments. Both are rookies and would be huge gambles. Yes Hughes and Speed eventually fanned out into decent managers but it took years. This squad hasn't the luxury of that sort of time. Giggs also could end up being another Steve Staunton - great player, unsuited to management. Please, stop talking the job down. My first choice is Pulis and if not him then Roberts, if not him then keep the vacancy open. If the FAW give it to Giggs I will be livid.

It's not Giggs v Bellamy thread, it's about finding out what peoples arguments against Giggs are and why and from my point of view, seeing if I can help change anybody's mind.

The comparison with Bellamy is only made because a lot seem to blindly hate Giggs and blindly support Bellamy, with some stating they don't like Giggs personality (mainly because of situation with brother), and say they would support Bellars over him, where  maybe they have forgotten some things he has done, potentially worse imo.

I am a big Giggs supporter, not going to lie, but will support whoever fully. I am a huge fan of Osian but feel he is irreplaceable in position he already in, but would never oppose his appointment really. But I would really love ,out of candidates, Giggs with Os and would love to see someone like Bellars replace Page at u21 personally. Would also not be adverse to Henry, but wouldn't be really happy with dinosaur types or broken types like Pulis or Bilic as I think the players we got deserve fresh forward thinking people who will inspire just by who they are never mind what their knowledge.

To be fair, I don't think the things Bellamy has done is as bad as Giggs.

Given the choice, I would rather my brother hit one of his teammates with a golf club than shag my mrs.

[joseywales37]

Dec 26, 2017 14:48:12 GMT marsvolta said:

Dec 26, 2017 14:03:27 GMT joseywales37 said:

It's not Giggs v Bellamy thread, it's about finding out what peoples arguments against Giggs are and why and from my point of view, seeing if I can help change anybody's mind.

The comparison with Bellamy is only made because a lot seem to blindly hate Giggs and blindly support Bellamy, with some stating they don't like Giggs personality (mainly because of situation with brother), and say they would support Bellars over him, where  maybe they have forgotten some things he has done, potentially worse imo.

I am a big Giggs supporter, not going to lie, but will support whoever fully. I am a huge fan of Osian but feel he is irreplaceable in position he already in, but would never oppose his appointment really. But I would really love ,out of candidates, Giggs with Os and would love to see someone like Bellars replace Page at u21 personally. Would also not be adverse to Henry, but wouldn't be really happy with dinosaur types or broken types like Pulis or Bilic as I think the players we got deserve fresh forward thinking people who will inspire just by who they are never mind what their knowledge.

To be fair, I don't think the things Bellamy has done is as bad as Giggs.

Given the choice, I would rather my brother hit one of his teammates with a golf club than shag my mrs.

What about the hitting woman bit ?, I remember the fracas about it years ago, not that it would or should in any way interfere with Wales managerial chancebecause it was years ago and I'm sure he like Giggs regrets it. But I think its very relevant in this argument against Giggs because of something he did wrong in his personal life is being used against him wrongly imo.

My main point about this is many supporters who use this argument like they have all definitely been angels and the people they are proposing as alternatives have been angelic.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/craig-hit-kicked-floor-1675525

[conwy10]

Dec 27, 2017 0:14:00 GMT joseywales37 said:

Dec 26, 2017 14:48:12 GMT marsvolta said:

To be fair, I don't think the things Bellamy has done is as bad as Giggs.

Given the choice, I would rather my brother hit one of his teammates with a golf club than shag my mrs.

What about the hitting woman bit ?, I remember the fracas about it years ago, not that it would or should in any way interfere with Wales managerial chancebecause it was years ago and I'm sure he like Giggs regrets it. But I think its very relevant in this argument against Giggs because of something he did wrong in his personal life is being used against him wrongly imo.

My main point about this is many supporters who use this argument like they have all definitely been angels and the people they are proposing as alternatives have been angelic.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/craig-hit-kicked-floor-1675525

How did Bellamy pass a DBS check to work with children with that against him? Not saying he shouldn't be working with children, obviously he's a good person to have around the Cardiff set up, just find it strange there's a few people within football who have been caught drink driving etc and are allowed a free pass. Gerrard attacked a DJ with his mates and is in the Liverpool youth set up. If I even react to a provocation I know it'll be the end of me.

[pendragon]

Dec 26, 2017 14:48:12 GMT marsvolta said:

Dec 26, 2017 14:03:27 GMT joseywales37 said:

It's not Giggs v Bellamy thread, it's about finding out what peoples arguments against Giggs are and why and from my point of view, seeing if I can help change anybody's mind.

The comparison with Bellamy is only made because a lot seem to blindly hate Giggs and blindly support Bellamy, with some stating they don't like Giggs personality (mainly because of situation with brother), and say they would support Bellars over him, where  maybe they have forgotten some things he has done, potentially worse imo.

I am a big Giggs supporter, not going to lie, but will support whoever fully. I am a huge fan of Osian but feel he is irreplaceable in position he already in, but would never oppose his appointment really. But I would really love ,out of candidates, Giggs with Os and would love to see someone like Bellars replace Page at u21 personally. Would also not be adverse to Henry, but wouldn't be really happy with dinosaur types or broken types like Pulis or Bilic as I think the players we got deserve fresh forward thinking people who will inspire just by who they are never mind what their knowledge.

To be fair, I don't think the things Bellamy has done is as bad as Giggs.

Really??? Not being disrespectful but attacking a club mate with a golf club and assaulting a woman? That's bad. Really bad. Giggs behaved like a tool (and even Coleman did the dirty on his wife) but he didn't break the law!

[joseywales37]

Dec 27, 2017 1:05:18 GMT conwy10 said:

Dec 27, 2017 0:14:00 GMT joseywales37 said:

What about the hitting woman bit ?, I remember the fracas about it years ago, not that it would or should in any way interfere with Wales managerial chancebecause it was years ago and I'm sure he like Giggs regrets it. But I think its very relevant in this argument against Giggs because of something he did wrong in his personal life is being used against him wrongly imo.

My main point about this is many supporters who use this argument like they have all definitely been angels and the people they are proposing as alternatives have been angelic.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/craig-hit-kicked-floor-1675525

How did Bellamy pass a DBS check to work with children with that against him? Not saying he shouldn't be working with children, obviously he's a good person to have around the Cardiff set up, just find it strange there's a few people within football who have been caught drink driving etc and are allowed a free pass. Gerrard attacked a DJ with his mates and is in the Liverpool youth set up. If I even react to a provocation I know it'll be the end of me.

I'm not sure how some people escape punishment sometimes, but there some who do bad things and still get lauded and that was my point about Gerrard before. The guy not only works in LFC set up but in future is being touted as club manager and I doubt England would even think about the nasty stuff he did if he was ever considered for manager. 

I even read somewhere the other day that Giggs and his bro are attempting to patch things up (makes Rhodri a big hearted man if true), 

[marsvolta]

Dec 27, 2017 8:51:31 GMT pendragon said:

Dec 26, 2017 14:48:12 GMT marsvolta said:

To be fair, I don't think the things Bellamy has done is as bad as Giggs.

Really??? Not being disrespectful but attacking a club mate with a golf club and assaulting a woman? That's bad. Really bad. Giggs behaved like a tool (and even Coleman did the dirty on his wife) but he didn't break the law!

I notice you selectively edited my post,missing out the main point

[pendragon]

Dec 27, 2017 16:56:16 GMT marsvolta said:

Dec 27, 2017 8:51:31 GMT pendragon said:

Really??? Not being disrespectful but attacking a club mate with a golf club and assaulting a woman? That's bad. Really bad. Giggs behaved like a tool (and even Coleman did the dirty on his wife) but he didn't break the law!

I notice you selectively edited my post,missing out the main point

What was that then? "I would rather my brother hit one of his teammates with a golf club than shag my mrs".

I noticed you "selectively missed out" the bit about Bellamy attacking a woman too.

[marsvolta]

Dec 27, 2017 17:24:06 GMT pendragon said:

Dec 27, 2017 16:56:16 GMT marsvolta said:

I notice you selectively edited my post,missing out the main point

What was that then? "I would rather my brother hit one of his teammates with a golf club than shag my mrs".

I noticed you "selectively missed out" the bit about Bellamy attacking a woman too.

Nope, nothing missed out,it's all in there.

I quoted what you said in full so if you mentioned the bit about hitting the woman then it will be in there

[saints19]

Dec 26, 2017 14:03:27 GMT joseywales37 said:

Dec 26, 2017 3:24:12 GMT saints19 said:

Honestly, I wish people would stop trying to make this about Giggs v Bellamy, it isn't, neither of them would be acceptable appointments. Both are rookies and would be huge gambles. Yes Hughes and Speed eventually fanned out into decent managers but it took years. This squad hasn't the luxury of that sort of time. Giggs also could end up being another Steve Staunton - great player, unsuited to management. Please, stop talking the job down. My first choice is Pulis and if not him then Roberts, if not him then keep the vacancy open. If the FAW give it to Giggs I will be livid.

It's not Giggs v Bellamy thread, it's about finding out what peoples arguments against Giggs are and why and from my point of view, seeing if I can help change anybody's mind.

The comparison with Bellamy is only made because a lot seem to blindly hate Giggs and blindly support Bellamy, with some stating they don't like Giggs personality (mainly because of situation with brother), and say they would support Bellars over him, where  maybe they have forgotten some things he has done, potentially worse imo.

I am a big Giggs supporter, not going to lie, but will support whoever fully. I am a huge fan of Osian but feel he is irreplaceable in position he already in, but would never oppose his appointment really. But I would really love ,out of candidates, Giggs with Os and would love to see someone like Bellars replace Page at u21 personally. Would also not be adverse to Henry, but wouldn't be really happy with dinosaur types or broken types like Pulis or Bilic as I think the players we got deserve fresh forward thinking people who will inspire just by who they are never mind what their knowledge.

The arguments against Giggs and Bellamy are basically the same: both lack experience or any managerial credentials that would qualify them for the job. Appointing them would be in the best case scenario a one-year learning curve, so basically goodbye to the start of the Euros campaign and another tournament.

The off-field issues are an added issue with Bellamy, and with Giggs his tendency to put club before country as a player by avoiding friendlies are his added issue. I would be miffed at appointing either even in a situation where we were in rebuilding mode, but to do it while we have a shot at qualification would be unforgiveable. Ford should be sacked if he appoints either.

[yanto]

A huge reality check is required on this forum i think. The job is not the most desirable in world football, we failed to get to the world cup and even the feckin play offs! We are not world beaters, we have had a great time in the sun but there is the real possibility we have returned to a more natural level. Its too easy to criticise Giggs in terms of inexperience, the other issues may apply one way or another to most of the others (bearing in mind Giggs has had more time under the spotlight) if they were subject to the same media scrutiny. Giggs with Osian would be most acceptable IMHO with as much chance of success as any one else.

[pendragon]

Dec 27, 2017 18:54:42 GMT marsvolta said:

Dec 27, 2017 17:24:06 GMT pendragon said:

What was that then? "I would rather my brother hit one of his teammates with a golf club than shag my mrs".

I noticed you "selectively missed out" the bit about Bellamy attacking a woman too.

Nope, nothing missed out,it's all in there.

I quoted what you said in full so if you mentioned the bit about hitting the woman then it will be in there

I'm not going to get into an argument about it as things can often get very nasty very quickly.

Judging both on a purely professional level (and not as to whether one is an otherwise "decent" bloke), I don't understand how Bellamy could be considered suitable for a managerial role if we would similarly rule out Giggs based on questionable morals. Smacks of double standards to me. Both have their own pros and cons I guess and each to their own.

[joseywales37]

Dec 28, 2017 4:35:59 GMT saints19 said:

Dec 26, 2017 14:03:27 GMT joseywales37 said:

It's not Giggs v Bellamy thread, it's about finding out what peoples arguments against Giggs are and why and from my point of view, seeing if I can help change anybody's mind.

The comparison with Bellamy is only made because a lot seem to blindly hate Giggs and blindly support Bellamy, with some stating they don't like Giggs personality (mainly because of situation with brother), and say they would support Bellars over him, where  maybe they have forgotten some things he has done, potentially worse imo.

I am a big Giggs supporter, not going to lie, but will support whoever fully. I am a huge fan of Osian but feel he is irreplaceable in position he already in, but would never oppose his appointment really. But I would really love ,out of candidates, Giggs with Os and would love to see someone like Bellars replace Page at u21 personally. Would also not be adverse to Henry, but wouldn't be really happy with dinosaur types or broken types like Pulis or Bilic as I think the players we got deserve fresh forward thinking people who will inspire just by who they are never mind what their knowledge.

The arguments against Giggs and Bellamy are basically the same: both lack experience or any managerial credentials that would qualify them for the job. Appointing them would be in the best case scenario a one-year learning curve, so basically goodbye to the start of the Euros campaign and another tournament.

The off-field issues are an added issue with Bellamy, and with Giggs his tendency to put club before country as a player by avoiding friendlies are his added issue. I would be miffed at appointing either even in a situation where we were in rebuilding mode, but to do it while we have a shot at qualification would be unforgiveable. Ford should be sacked if he appoints either.

I understand what you are saying and everything, but I find I can't agree when it comes to how many years experience is needed to be Wales manager. Bobby Gould had years of experience and managed some crazy assed hard to handle players in that time, but was probably our worst ever manager.

Imo our best managers have been level Welsh players of basic to no managerial experience, but damn good football brains that you could tell from them as a player that they had it in them, Yorath, Toshack (obviously an exception due to lots of managerial experience, but being top player got him here too), Hughes, Speed, Cookie (lowest ranked player to manage us). 

I think bringing in a football superstar like Giggs to work alongside someone who knows the ins and outs of welsh football like Osian could be an amazing experience for not only the upcoming youngsters, but the players who have already stated the guys was their reason for putting on boots. 

Obviously nothing guarantees us becoming World cup winner or anything, but it is something I personally would be disappointed if FAW at least were not tempted to try. If anybody thinks that over the years, we have had any media coverage just because we are Wales, they kidding themselves, we get covered because we have had Ryan Giggs in one era and Gareth Bale in another and the prospect of them two and Osian teaching what we potentially have would be imo mouthwatering for us, frightening for others. I see Brooks, Woodburn and Dan James as very Giggs/Bale like, Brooks seems more Giggs like, James more Bale. Woodburn somewhere inbetween lol.

[joseywales37]

Dec 28, 2017 12:26:12 GMT pendragon said:

Dec 27, 2017 18:54:42 GMT marsvolta said:

Nope, nothing missed out,it's all in there.

I quoted what you said in full so if you mentioned the bit about hitting the woman then it will be in there

I'm not going to get into an argument about it as things can often get very nasty very quickly.

Judging both on a purely professional level (and not as to whether one is an otherwise "decent" bloke), I don't understand how Bellamy could be considered suitable for a managerial role if we would similarly rule out Giggs based on questionable morals. Smacks of double standards to me. Both have their own pros and cons I guess and each to their own.

Not just that, I think there a very good chance that stuff could be dug on most, its just that Giggs fame made it worldwide news. Fact is that the only half fair argument that it will all come down to with Giggs is the friendlies, which is not much of an argument really, especially when it was quite common knowledge a few years back that this was due to an agreement with club and country about protecting Giggs . When Toshack was in charge again, Giggs took part in more friendlies again as Fergie was impressed that Tosh would only play him in certain games for certain number of minutes.

One the best anti Giggs arguments I heard the other day was because of Giggs Man Utd links, they were worried in case he makes Woodburn think about joining United lol. Brilliant.

[saints19]

Dec 28, 2017 7:47:45 GMT yanto said:

A huge reality check is required on this forum i think. The job is not the most desirable in world football, we failed to get to the world cup and even the feckin play offs! We are not world beaters, we have had a great time in the sun but there is the real possibility we have returned to a more natural level. Its too easy to criticise Giggs in terms of inexperience, the other issues may apply one way or another to most of the others (bearing in mind Giggs has had more time under the spotlight) if they were subject to the same media scrutiny. Giggs with Osian would be most acceptable IMHO with as much chance of success as any one else.

Scotland are trying to get Michael O'Neill. Good on them. ven if they don't get him I'm sure they'll at least appoint an experienced club boss. The Republic of Ireland have always made good appointments, with the exception of Steve Staunton, who the FAW should really be thinking about in relation to a Giggs appointment on how badly such an appointment can go wrong.

Alright, we're not nailed on for Euros qualification, but we have a good chance. Don't talk the job down either.

[saints19]

Dec 28, 2017 12:27:00 GMT joseywales37 said:

Dec 28, 2017 4:35:59 GMT saints19 said:

The arguments against Giggs and Bellamy are basically the same: both lack experience or any managerial credentials that would qualify them for the job. Appointing them would be in the best case scenario a one-year learning curve, so basically goodbye to the start of the Euros campaign and another tournament.

The off-field issues are an added issue with Bellamy, and with Giggs his tendency to put club before country as a player by avoiding friendlies are his added issue. I would be miffed at appointing either even in a situation where we were in rebuilding mode, but to do it while we have a shot at qualification would be unforgiveable. Ford should be sacked if he appoints either.

I understand what you are saying and everything, but I find I can't agree when it comes to how many years experience is needed to be Wales manager. Bobby Gould had years of experience and managed some crazy assed hard to handle players in that time, but was probably our worst ever manager.

Imo our best managers have been level Welsh players of basic to no managerial experience, but damn good football brains that you could tell from them as a player that they had it in them, Yorath, Toshack (obviously an exception due to lots of managerial experience, but being top player got him here too), Hughes, Speed, Cookie (lowest ranked player to manage us). 

I think bringing in a football superstar like Giggs to work alongside someone who knows the ins and outs of welsh football like Osian could be an amazing experience for not only the upcoming youngsters, but the players who have already stated the guys was their reason for putting on boots. 

Obviously nothing guarantees us becoming World cup winner or anything, but it is something I personally would be disappointed if FAW at least were not tempted to try. If anybody thinks that over the years, we have had any media coverage just because we are Wales, they kidding themselves, we get covered because we have had Ryan Giggs in one era and Gareth Bale in another and the prospect of them two and Osian teaching what we potentially have would be imo mouthwatering for us, frightening for others. I see Brooks, Woodburn and Dan James as very Giggs/Bale like, Brooks seems more Giggs like, James more Bale. Woodburn somewhere inbetween lol.

We need someone who can hit the ground running, not waste Bale and Ramsey's peak years.

Coleman hardly counts as a parallel for Giggs, since he was vastly more experienced as a manager and even he took one campaign to get into it. Same with Speed, same with Hughes. But in all those cases the key ingredient was their leadership qualities. Look at Giggs and he doesn't inspire you at all.

His lack of willingness to put himself out there and take a club job that he might consider below his standards, his response to rumours linking him to the Swansea job again ("I've spoken to them before, so no", according to quotes). Any of this make you think he'll be a good manager? The argument about his playing credentials is irrelevant. Maradona was appointed as Argentina boss and did not enjoy success, because he was not the right personality fit. Same with Staunton.

[saints19]

Hell, just looking at some out of work managers, I'd rather Gianni de Biasi (Italian coach who got Albania to Euro 2016) than Giggs. There might be a language issue, but I'd rather someone with at least knowledge of European international football. He has time to learn Welsh before the Nations League, anyway.

[saints19]

Dec 28, 2017 7:47:45 GMT yanto said:

A huge reality check is required on this forum i think. The job is not the most desirable in world football, we failed to get to the world cup and even the feckin play offs! We are not world beaters, we have had a great time in the sun but there is the real possibility we have returned to a more natural level. Its too easy to criticise Giggs in terms of inexperience, the other issues may apply one way or another to most of the others (bearing in mind Giggs has had more time under the spotlight) if they were subject to the same media scrutiny. Giggs with Osian would be most acceptable IMHO with as much chance of success as any one else.

Giggs would not be acceptable at all. The job may not be the most desirable in world football, but I'm sure we can get some people who've achieved things as managers at a reasonable level to apply for it.

When you consider Swansea (which is a real poisoned chalice, no offence alarch), Championship and lower league clubs never have any problems filling their vacancies or attracting applicants, to make that argument about the Wales job is insulting to people's intelligence frankly.

[saints19]

Hell, here's another one: Gordon Strachan. If we're going to be talking up Giggs as the prime candidate for the job, we might as well approach him and ask him if he can delay his retirement hobby of collecting fine kilts for a few years. He didn't succeed with Scotland but wasn't a million miles away. I genuinely think that would be a better appointment than Giggs. He knows football, knows international football, is vastly experienced. He'd be about 765th on my shortlist but still higher than Giggs. Why? HE'S MORE QUALIFIED FOR THE ROLE FFS.

[marsvolta]

Dec 28, 2017 12:26:12 GMT pendragon said:

Dec 27, 2017 18:54:42 GMT marsvolta said:

Nope, nothing missed out,it's all in there.

I quoted what you said in full so if you mentioned the bit about hitting the woman then it will be in there

I'm not going to get into an argument about it as things can often get very nasty very quickly.

Judging both on a purely professional level (and not as to whether one is an otherwise "decent" bloke), I don't understand how Bellamy could be considered suitable for a managerial role if we would similarly rule out Giggs based on questionable morals. Smacks of double standards to me. Both have their own pros and cons I guess and each to their own.

To be honest, I don't hold Giggs personal life against him either. I was just replying directly to someone.

The team GB thing pissed me off as he had retired from Wales

[Deleted]

Dec 28, 2017 7:47:45 GMT yanto said:

A huge reality check is required on this forum i think. The job is not the most desirable in world football, we failed to get to the world cup and even the feckin play offs! We are not world beaters, we have had a great time in the sun but there is the real possibility we have returned to a more natural level. Its too easy to criticise Giggs in terms of inexperience, the other issues may apply one way or another to most of the others (bearing in mind Giggs has had more time under the spotlight) if they were subject to the same media scrutiny. Giggs with Osian would be most acceptable IMHO with as much chance of success as any one else.

Harsh on our football in general. Still higher than we were mixed in with desire and excellent young talent to nurture.

The crowds are also pleasing now. Lots to build on!

[pendragon]

Dec 28, 2017 15:54:42 GMT saints19 said:

Dec 28, 2017 7:47:45 GMT yanto said:

A huge reality check is required on this forum i think. The job is not the most desirable in world football, we failed to get to the world cup and even the feckin play offs! We are not world beaters, we have had a great time in the sun but there is the real possibility we have returned to a more natural level. Its too easy to criticise Giggs in terms of inexperience, the other issues may apply one way or another to most of the others (bearing in mind Giggs has had more time under the spotlight) if they were subject to the same media scrutiny. Giggs with Osian would be most acceptable IMHO with as much chance of success as any one else.

Scotland are trying to get Michael O'Neill. Good on them. ven if they don't get him I'm sure they'll at least appoint an experienced club boss. The Republic of Ireland have always made good appointments, with the exception of Steve Staunton, who the FAW should really be thinking about in relation to a Giggs appointment on how badly such an appointment can go wrong.

Alright, we're not nailed on for Euros qualification, but we have a good chance. Don't talk the job down either.

Not to risk de-railing this thread but I thought O'Neill had already bagged that Scotland job?

[saints19]

Dec 28, 2017 19:00:46 GMT pendragon said:

Dec 28, 2017 15:54:42 GMT saints19 said:

Scotland are trying to get Michael O'Neill. Good on them. ven if they don't get him I'm sure they'll at least appoint an experienced club boss. The Republic of Ireland have always made good appointments, with the exception of Steve Staunton, who the FAW should really be thinking about in relation to a Giggs appointment on how badly such an appointment can go wrong.

Alright, we're not nailed on for Euros qualification, but we have a good chance. Don't talk the job down either.

Not to risk de-railing this thread but I thought O'Neill had already bagged that Scotland job?

Not at all, he's in discussions with the IFA about a new contract, if we entered the arena as a third possible destination you can't tell me we'd be poor relations. So frustrating the FAW aren't even trying.

[pendragon]

Dec 28, 2017 19:04:44 GMT saints19 said:

Dec 28, 2017 19:00:46 GMT pendragon said:

Not to risk de-railing this thread but I thought O'Neill had already bagged that Scotland job?

Not at all, he's in discussions with the IFA about a new contract, if we entered the arena as a third possible destination you can't tell me we'd be poor relations. So frustrating the FAW aren't even trying.

Oh, not sure I'd want him here. Great manager if your team is defensively inclined. However, call me a snob but I don't like his brand of football. 

[cymroircarn]

Dec 28, 2017 19:04:44 GMT saints19 said:

Dec 28, 2017 19:00:46 GMT pendragon said:

Not to risk de-railing this thread but I thought O'Neill had already bagged that Scotland job?

Not at all, he's in discussions with the IFA about a new contract, if we entered the arena as a third possible destination you can't tell me we'd be poor relations. So frustrating the FAW aren't even trying.

Didn’t the SFA offer him a million a year? If so, way out of our league

[conwy10]

Dec 28, 2017 7:47:45 GMT yanto said:

A huge reality check is required on this forum i think. The job is not the most desirable in world football, we failed to get to the world cup and even the feckin play offs! We are not world beaters, we have had a great time in the sun but there is the real possibility we have returned to a more natural level. Its too easy to criticise Giggs in terms of inexperience, the other issues may apply one way or another to most of the others (bearing in mind Giggs has had more time under the spotlight) if they were subject to the same media scrutiny. Giggs with Osian would be most acceptable IMHO with as much chance of success as any one else.

I understand where you're coming from but we aren't asking for Guardiola, the majority want Osian Roberts who's already put himself forward for the job. If Osian wants it its a crime not to give it him unless it's for a top quality proven manager. Even if they think he's too good at what he does already to give it him they might as well slap him in the face and then say good job.

Giving it to a rookie when the main man in Welsh football for the last 4 years wants it would be shameful.

[conwy10]

Dec 28, 2017 19:04:44 GMT saints19 said:

Dec 28, 2017 19:00:46 GMT pendragon said:

Not to risk de-railing this thread but I thought O'Neill had already bagged that Scotland job?

Not at all, he's in discussions with the IFA about a new contract, if we entered the arena as a third possible destination you can't tell me we'd be poor relations. So frustrating the FAW aren't even trying.

He's Northern Irish and lives in Scotland, he has connection to both countries but none to Wales, I doubt we'd stand a chance even if we wanted him.