Giggs

[fiveattheback]

Jan 1, 2018 7:56:26 GMT cymroircarn said:

Dec 31, 2017 22:30:28 GMT saints19 said:

Direct quotes from the man:


But he hit back, writing in a diary for Sky Sports : "I did an interview last week about my managerial aspirations and received some criticism because apparently I wasn't willing to manage at a lower level.

"I didn't say anything at all about not managing at a lower level; I said because of my experience, I'd be more suited coaching at the level which I previously played and coached.

"My critic quoted Steven Gerrard saying, in his experience, footballers want to just do their UEFA C Licence and go straight into the job. I did my UEFA B Licence when I was 29, my A Licence when I was 35, my Pro Licence while I was still playing and I coached at Manchester United for three years - including managing four games - so I don't see the relevance.

"The argument that players who have been a success can't go into success is a non-argument. People use Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger but there are also countless examples of unsuccessful players being unsuccessful managers. It is all down to the individual.

"I played until I was 40 so I was doing my Pro Licence on a Saturday and Sunday, training on a Monday and Tuesday, doing more coaching and then driving back for Champions League games on Wednesday. To say I haven't put in the work is ridiculous."

Nothing in that is really convincing for me, I'm afraid.

I agree with conwy10, if he thinks that's a heavy workload, he should probably try doing the hours that some people do, just to make ends meet. It does seem rather entitled, and he's doing absolutely nothing to dispel the views that exist about him.

I think the critics would only go away if he got a club job at say Championship level and did reasonably well - which is basically the whole point of the opposition to Giggs.

I wish the journalist had asked him with all the free time on his hands what has he done the last 2 yers?

Football is constantly evolving so what is he doing to make sure he is keeping up with things?

Watching England

[phillywelsh83]

Jan 1, 2018 7:56:26 GMT cymroircarn said:

Dec 31, 2017 22:30:28 GMT saints19 said:

Direct quotes from the man:


But he hit back, writing in a diary for Sky Sports : "I did an interview last week about my managerial aspirations and received some criticism because apparently I wasn't willing to manage at a lower level.

"I didn't say anything at all about not managing at a lower level; I said because of my experience, I'd be more suited coaching at the level which I previously played and coached.

"My critic quoted Steven Gerrard saying, in his experience, footballers want to just do their UEFA C Licence and go straight into the job. I did my UEFA B Licence when I was 29, my A Licence when I was 35, my Pro Licence while I was still playing and I coached at Manchester United for three years - including managing four games - so I don't see the relevance.

"The argument that players who have been a success can't go into success is a non-argument. People use Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger but there are also countless examples of unsuccessful players being unsuccessful managers. It is all down to the individual.

"I played until I was 40 so I was doing my Pro Licence on a Saturday and Sunday, training on a Monday and Tuesday, doing more coaching and then driving back for Champions League games on Wednesday. To say I haven't put in the work is ridiculous."

Nothing in that is really convincing for me, I'm afraid.

I agree with conwy10, if he thinks that's a heavy workload, he should probably try doing the hours that some people do, just to make ends meet. It does seem rather entitled, and he's doing absolutely nothing to dispel the views that exist about him.

I think the critics would only go away if he got a club job at say Championship level and did reasonably well - which is basically the whole point of the opposition to Giggs.

I wish the journalist had asked him with all the free time on his hands what has he done the last 2 yers?

Football is constantly evolving so what is he doing to make sure he is keeping up with things?

He owns multiple businesses, including Salford City, Hotel, Restaurants, Property portfolio. Does punditry work for TV. Been working as a technical observer for UEFA, playing futsal in India, and now Director of Football at the Vietnam football academy.

I would say being involved in the running of a football club, being involved in development plans for getting the best out a countries youth, and being a technical advisor for UEFA, with TV punditry keeps his hat in the mix. 

[conwy10]

Jan 2, 2018 14:41:41 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Jan 1, 2018 7:56:26 GMT cymroircarn said:

I wish the journalist had asked him with all the free time on his hands what has he done the last 2 yers?

Football is constantly evolving so what is he doing to make sure he is keeping up with things?

He owns multiple businesses, including Salford City, Hotel, Restaurants, Property portfolio. Does punditry work for TV. Been working as a technical observer for UEFA, playing futsal in India, and now Director of Football at the Vietnam football academy.

I would say being involved in the running of a football club, being involved in development plans for getting the best out a countries youth, and being a technical advisor for UEFA, with TV punditry keeps his hat in the mix. 

First I've heard of him being a technical observer for UEFA. I admit it sounds impressive and I might be underestimating how involved he is in football, however hearing him as a pundit doesn't inspire me with confidence, is he dumbing it down so casual football viewers can understand? I don't know.

Does anyone find it a bit insulting though he's Welsh, commentating on England, running a Vietnam academy and doing nothing for Wales? He's involved with 2 countries and then wants the Wales job. If he was managing Vietnam or Andorra I'd understand because he could be working his way up or not good enough for Wales.

In terms of commentating Wales would snap his hand off to be involved with Wales off the pitch yet he's showing up for England games instead. I know we're meant to pretend we're all friends so we don't upset anyone but England are our arch rivals. We got our squad celebrating when Iceland beat England and Giggs is having to look choked up when they don't score against Lithuania until the last minute.

[1gwaunview]

As I've mentioned previously he visited Fishguard with the FAW Trust to participate in a training session for local youngsters. Couldn't wait to leave once the session was over from what I've been told, with little acknowledgment towards the parents/crowd present.

Not a fan of his for the myriad of reasons mentioned here, so hope the FAW see sense and appoint someone else ( Osian hopefully).

Personally, I'll be glad when this managerial issue is sorted once and for all!!

[gwernybwch]

Jan 2, 2018 14:41:41 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Jan 1, 2018 7:56:26 GMT cymroircarn said:

I wish the journalist had asked him with all the free time on his hands what has he done the last 2 yers?

Football is constantly evolving so what is he doing to make sure he is keeping up with things?

He owns multiple businesses, including Salford City, Hotel, Restaurants, Property portfolio. Does punditry work for TV. Been working as a technical observer for UEFA, playing futsal in India, and now Director of Football at the Vietnam football academy.

I would say being involved in the running of a football club, being involved in development plans for getting the best out a countries youth, and being a technical advisor for UEFA, with TV punditry keeps his hat in the mix. 

He sounds like he is a busy man. No wonder he doesn't currently go and watch or participate in anything to do with Welsh football (apart from when McDonalds are paying him). You sure that he can fit in managing little 'ole Wales into his busy schedule?

[Deleted]

I’m unsure Giggs owns that much. At Salford City, him and Fergie’s Fledglings were largely fronting the deal for Peter Lim.

[phillywelsh83]

Jan 2, 2018 21:33:04 GMT @peoffrey said:

I’m unsure Giggs owns that much. At Salford City, him and Fergie’s Fledglings were largely fronting the deal for Peter Lim.

He owns 10% in Salford City, and does his percentage of leg work, Peter Lim is a silent partner, with the class of 92, especially Gary Neville running the business with their Managing Director, but Giggs is largely involved. But that is only one of a number of companies he has ownership and other interest in. 

To some of the other points, Giggs was offered the roles by BBC/ITV to cover England games. He hasnt been offered a role with Sky to cover Wales games. Plus he is incredibly experienced in the English game and well respected (football wise), though a little dull to listen to, i think he has a good football brain. 

To some who are using how involved he is with England - its a bit rich, as the majority of Welsh players/managers are involved in English Football (its not British, or Welsh and English - its English). So if we dont allow anyone who talks about English football to be involved in the Welsh set up we shall look at the Welsh leagues for a solution. Lets not forget Craig Bellamy is highly involved in the Sky series "The Debate", which talks 99.5% about English football, including at least 25% about England national team. Yet Bellamy is a Welsh darling. 

Not being a motivator, inexperienced, possible lack of commitment, not right for international football - i can accept those sensible arguments. But some of the comments are just from personal feelings from the perception he doesn't care about Wales as he was managed by his club through his career (which lasted until hes 40 - Bale will not by the way, hes already struggling), and missed a number of "meaningless" friendlies (which many argue should be used to blood fringe players anyway - so you are massively contradicting yourselves). How many important competitive fixtures he missed should be the yardstick to beat him with, not friendlies (which most fans also miss).

And i dont think Giggs should be the next manager by the way, i back Carl Robinson, but i thinksome of the stick Giggs gets is unfounded.

[yanto]

That people on here having an issue with a welshman providing comment on england games is ridiculous and pretty much sums up alot of the small minded attitude. Get a life ffs. Its the same bollox i have heard the jocks banging at Hanson et al for involvement with the english media. Perhaps we should ask all our players to withdraw from the epl? Hilarious......

[pendragon]

Whoever is appointed as the new Manager, I'd like the appointment to be based on merit and on a balance to have the best overall skillset and qualities required for the role, amongst the pool of candidates that we have. Ergo, I don't think the decision should be based on personal indiscretions (unless they are of the illegal variety), and whether or not the candidate concerned attended a sufficient number of friendlies. And I'd be pretty annoyed if the decision was based on fan opposition to any of the candidates based on these issues, especially when there are other candidates who may have those qualities but also be lacking in some other areas of their professional and personal lives that could also give rise to concern.

[fiveattheback]

Jan 3, 2018 12:40:45 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Jan 2, 2018 21:33:04 GMT @peoffrey said:

I’m unsure Giggs owns that much. At Salford City, him and Fergie’s Fledglings were largely fronting the deal for Peter Lim.

He owns 10% in Salford City, and does his percentage of leg work, Peter Lim is a silent partner, with the class of 92, especially Gary Neville running the business with their Managing Director, but Giggs is largely involved. But that is only one of a number of companies he has ownership and other interest in. 

To some of the other points, Giggs was offered the roles by BBC/ITV to cover England games. He hasnt been offered a role with Sky to cover Wales games. Plus he is incredibly experienced in the English game and well respected (football wise), though a little dull to listen to, i think he has a good football brain. 

To some who are using how involved he is with England - its a bit rich, as the majority of Welsh players/managers are involved in English Football (its not British, or Welsh and English - its English). So if we dont allow anyone who talks about English football to be involved in the Welsh set up we shall look at the Welsh leagues for a solution. Lets not forget Craig Bellamy is highly involved in the Sky series "The Debate", which talks 99.5% about English football, including at least 25% about England national team. Yet Bellamy is a Welsh darling. 

Not being a motivator, inexperienced, possible lack of commitment, not right for international football - i can accept those sensible arguments. But some of the comments are just from personal feelings from the perception he doesn't care about Wales as he was managed by his club through his career (which lasted until hes 40 - Bale will not by the way, hes already struggling), and missed a number of "meaningless" friendlies (which many argue should be used to blood fringe players anyway - so you are massively contradicting yourselves). How many important competitive fixtures he missed should be the yardstick to beat him with, not friendlies (which most fans also miss).

And i dont think Giggs should be the next manager by the way, i back Carl Robinson, but i thinksome of the stick Giggs gets is unfounded.

To be fair to Bellamy, he covers a lot of Wales games & most home Cardiff games for Sky (when they're on).  I think the point being made regarding Giggs is that he gives the impression that he can't really be arsed with Wales unless its of use to him, whether that's true or not, I wouldn't know but that's what I think a number of people feel about him

The main reason I'd be wary of appointing Giggs over Bellamy (if it came down to it) due to Giggs' numerous other commitments, as far as I know Bellamy only really does punditry and work with Cardiff City, which would both tie into the Wales job anyway, Giggs is involved with multiple businesses including a football club

Still hoping that Fergie takes pity on us and takes over on a £10 per year contract mind 

[pendragon]

Interesting article in BBC Sport on Hartson's thoughts on the job here if anyone wants to take a look (apologies if this has already been posted somewhere before). www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42548930

[pendragon]

Jan 2, 2018 20:08:08 GMT 1gwaunview said:

I'll be glad when this managerial issue is sorted once and for all!!

I couldn't agree more! It's all getting rather cumbersome now!

[Deleted]

Unsure I’m happy to be quoted like that and then on the end of such a spiel.

My mum is English, I live in England, I have English friends and a season ticket at a Premier League club that aren’t Swansea.

Besides, 10% of Salford City is pennies compared to his inevitable wealth. They had a big sponsorship deal to name the ground etc. He’s still the face for Lim’s business.

I want 100% Wales commitment. Nothing else.

[alarch]

The latest drivel from Abbandonato here: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/outsider-carl-robinson-emerges-11th-14110302

Take this quote: "The prospect of having Giggs, Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey in one dressing room is a marketing dream ticket for the FAW"


This rubbish only puts me off Giggs even more. This marketing dream stuff is complete shite - do we really think that having Giggs as manager is suddenly going to bring in millions to the FAWs coffers? And in the highly unlikely event that this is the case, so what compared to the rewards, financial and otherwise, of qualifying?

The only thing that matters, and worthy of discussion, is who is the best candidate for the job. End of.

[yanto]

Jan 3, 2018 14:14:51 GMT pendragon said:

Whoever is appointed as the new Manager, I'd like the appointment to be based on merit and on a balance to have the best overall skillset and qualities required for the role, amongst the pool of candidates that we have. Ergo, I don't think the decision should be based on personal indiscretions (unless they are of the illegal variety), and whether or not the candidate concerned attended a sufficient number of friendlies. And I'd be pretty annoyed if the decision was based on fan opposition to any of the candidates based on these issues, especially when there are other candidates who may have those qualities but also be lacking in some other areas of their professional and personal lives that could also give rise to concern.

Very well put. Ben Davies quote paraphrased 'whoever comes in, it makes no difference, we will work hard'.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42551949

[richierich333]

Jan 3, 2018 13:39:58 GMT yanto said:

That people on here having an issue with a welshman providing comment on england games is ridiculous and pretty much sums up alot of the small minded attitude. Get a life ffs. Its the same bollox i have heard the jocks banging at Hanson et al for involvement with the english media. Perhaps we should ask all our players to withdraw from the epl? Hilarious......

I agree with you. The England rubbish on here really grates on me and I don't even have any (recent) English ties personally.

[saints19]

Jan 4, 2018 7:35:53 GMT yanto said:

Jan 3, 2018 14:14:51 GMT pendragon said:

Whoever is appointed as the new Manager, I'd like the appointment to be based on merit and on a balance to have the best overall skillset and qualities required for the role, amongst the pool of candidates that we have. Ergo, I don't think the decision should be based on personal indiscretions (unless they are of the illegal variety), and whether or not the candidate concerned attended a sufficient number of friendlies. And I'd be pretty annoyed if the decision was based on fan opposition to any of the candidates based on these issues, especially when there are other candidates who may have those qualities but also be lacking in some other areas of their professional and personal lives that could also give rise to concern.

Very well put. Ben Davies quote paraphrased 'whoever comes in, it makes no difference, we will work hard'.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42551949

The players always say they support the manager. The thing is, they often aren't very good at lying and you can usually tell from the deadpan tone of voice and lack of facial expression when they are. Unfortunately, that can't be conveyed in a newspaper article quote.

[yanto]

Jan 4, 2018 13:44:10 GMT saints19 said:

Jan 4, 2018 7:35:53 GMT yanto said:

Very well put. Ben Davies quote paraphrased 'whoever comes in, it makes no difference, we will work hard'.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42551949

The players always say they support the manager. The thing is, they often aren't very good at lying and you can usually tell from the deadpan tone of voice and lack of facial expression when they are. Unfortunately, that can't be conveyed in a newspaper article quote.

Whatever.....😁

[joseywales37]

Dec 28, 2017 16:00:52 GMT saints19 said:

Dec 28, 2017 12:27:00 GMT joseywales37 said:

I understand what you are saying and everything, but I find I can't agree when it comes to how many years experience is needed to be Wales manager. Bobby Gould had years of experience and managed some crazy assed hard to handle players in that time, but was probably our worst ever manager.

Imo our best managers have been level Welsh players of basic to no managerial experience, but damn good football brains that you could tell from them as a player that they had it in them, Yorath, Toshack (obviously an exception due to lots of managerial experience, but being top player got him here too), Hughes, Speed, Cookie (lowest ranked player to manage us). 

I think bringing in a football superstar like Giggs to work alongside someone who knows the ins and outs of welsh football like Osian could be an amazing experience for not only the upcoming youngsters, but the players who have already stated the guys was their reason for putting on boots. 

Obviously nothing guarantees us becoming World cup winner or anything, but it is something I personally would be disappointed if FAW at least were not tempted to try. If anybody thinks that over the years, we have had any media coverage just because we are Wales, they kidding themselves, we get covered because we have had Ryan Giggs in one era and Gareth Bale in another and the prospect of them two and Osian teaching what we potentially have would be imo mouthwatering for us, frightening for others. I see Brooks, Woodburn and Dan James as very Giggs/Bale like, Brooks seems more Giggs like, James more Bale. Woodburn somewhere inbetween lol.

We need someone who can hit the ground running, not waste Bale and Ramsey's peak years.

Coleman hardly counts as a parallel for Giggs, since he was vastly more experienced as a manager and even he took one campaign to get into it. Same with Speed, same with Hughes. But in all those cases the key ingredient was their leadership qualities. Look at Giggs and he doesn't inspire you at all.

His lack of willingness to put himself out there and take a club job that he might consider below his standards, his response to rumours linking him to the Swansea job again ("I've spoken to them before, so no", according to quotes). Any of this make you think he'll be a good manager? The argument about his playing credentials is irrelevant. Maradona was appointed as Argentina boss and did not enjoy success, because he was not the right personality fit. Same with Staunton.

I think the Maradona thing was more because he was off his face on drugs. Looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this tbh, I think nearly all the arguments against Giggs are being proved to be as someone said before spurious, some of the same arguments can be aimed at other candidates with a bit of digging.

I really hope FAW do the right thing and pick the right person based on what they perceive to be good football knowledge, good tactical awareness, good knowledge of how to take the Wales team that bit further. I believe they have got this right on last few appointments and think they will again ,whether that means Giggs or not. I really really hope they not so silly as to base it on some missed friendlies years ago or a couple of pundit appearances or who slept with who. All these arguments against Giggs have been answered imo, the only thing that sort of stands up is managerial experience and even that can be aimed at all the remaining candidates to an extent and can be argued that previous appointments had same problem, even Cookie, because, yeh he managed before, but a hell of a lot of fans were against the way he managed before he took Wales job, he had no experience of managing top level players like Bale, Ramsey etc, all of these appointments did very well. The FAW should thinking about forward thinking football nous and the supposed remaining candidates all bring an element of this, some imo bring that bit more. The volume level of someones voice on tv should not be perceived as a character trait.

The decision will soon be upon us and I will support whoever 

[phillywelsh83]

Jan 5, 2018 14:15:57 GMT joseywales37 said:

Dec 28, 2017 16:00:52 GMT saints19 said:

We need someone who can hit the ground running, not waste Bale and Ramsey's peak years.

Coleman hardly counts as a parallel for Giggs, since he was vastly more experienced as a manager and even he took one campaign to get into it. Same with Speed, same with Hughes. But in all those cases the key ingredient was their leadership qualities. Look at Giggs and he doesn't inspire you at all.

His lack of willingness to put himself out there and take a club job that he might consider below his standards, his response to rumours linking him to the Swansea job again ("I've spoken to them before, so no", according to quotes). Any of this make you think he'll be a good manager? The argument about his playing credentials is irrelevant. Maradona was appointed as Argentina boss and did not enjoy success, because he was not the right personality fit. Same with Staunton.

I think the Maradona thing was more because he was off his face on drugs. Looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this tbh, I think nearly all the arguments against Giggs are being proved to be as someone said before spurious, some of the same arguments can be aimed at other candidates with a bit of digging.

I really hope FAW do the right thing and pick the right person based on what they perceive to be good football knowledge, good tactical awareness, good knowledge of how to take the Wales team that bit further. I believe they have got this right on last few appointments and think they will again ,whether that means Giggs or not. I really really hope they not so silly as to base it on some missed friendlies years ago or a couple of pundit appearances or who slept with who. All these arguments against Giggs have been answered imo, the only thing that sort of stands up is managerial experience and even that can be aimed at all the remaining candidates to an extent and can be argued that previous appointments had same problem, even Cookie, because, yeh he managed before, but a hell of a lot of fans were against the way he managed before he took Wales job, he had no experience of managing top level players like Bale, Ramsey etc, all of these appointments did very well. The FAW should thinking about forward thinking football nous and the supposed remaining candidates all bring an element of this, some imo bring that bit more. The volume level of someones voice on tv should not be perceived as a character trait.

The decision will soon be upon us and I will support whoever 

Amen to that

[conwy10]

Jan 3, 2018 12:40:45 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

Jan 2, 2018 21:33:04 GMT @peoffrey said:

I’m unsure Giggs owns that much. At Salford City, him and Fergie’s Fledglings were largely fronting the deal for Peter Lim.

He owns 10% in Salford City, and does his percentage of leg work, Peter Lim is a silent partner, with the class of 92, especially Gary Neville running the business with their Managing Director, but Giggs is largely involved. But that is only one of a number of companies he has ownership and other interest in. 

To some of the other points, Giggs was offered the roles by BBC/ITV to cover England games. He hasnt been offered a role with Sky to cover Wales games. Plus he is incredibly experienced in the English game and well respected (football wise), though a little dull to listen to, i think he has a good football brain. 

To some who are using how involved he is with England - its a bit rich, as the majority of Welsh players/managers are involved in English Football (its not British, or Welsh and English - its English). So if we dont allow anyone who talks about English football to be involved in the Welsh set up we shall look at the Welsh leagues for a solution. Lets not forget Craig Bellamy is highly involved in the Sky series "The Debate", which talks 99.5% about English football, including at least 25% about England national team. Yet Bellamy is a Welsh darling. 

Not being a motivator, inexperienced, possible lack of commitment, not right for international football - i can accept those sensible arguments. But some of the comments are just from personal feelings from the perception he doesn't care about Wales as he was managed by his club through his career (which lasted until hes 40 - Bale will not by the way, hes already struggling), and missed a number of "meaningless" friendlies (which many argue should be used to blood fringe players anyway - so you are massively contradicting yourselves). How many important competitive fixtures he missed should be the yardstick to beat him with, not friendlies (which most fans also miss).

And i dont think Giggs should be the next manager by the way, i back Carl Robinson, but i thinksome of the stick Giggs gets is unfounded.

I'm not against the Premier League. If they want to play for an English club I don't care. It's not international football representing a country, you're representing a town, a city, a community.

Do you know Giggs hasn't been approached by Sky, S4C, the FAW commercial team about a role within Wales? Wouldn't it be crazy if when they said "Giggs, we'd like to offer you a chance to be a pundit at England matches" and instead of saying "yes" he said "why would I? I'm Welsh. It clashes with Wales matches and I have aspirations of being in the Welsh set up. I'd rather watch Wales and create a bond with the players, fans, sponsors, directors who'll be paying my wages if I did get the job".

[yanto]

Jan 5, 2018 21:11:28 GMT conwy10 said:

Jan 3, 2018 12:40:45 GMT phillywelsh83 said:

He owns 10% in Salford City, and does his percentage of leg work, Peter Lim is a silent partner, with the class of 92, especially Gary Neville running the business with their Managing Director, but Giggs is largely involved. But that is only one of a number of companies he has ownership and other interest in. 

To some of the other points, Giggs was offered the roles by BBC/ITV to cover England games. He hasnt been offered a role with Sky to cover Wales games. Plus he is incredibly experienced in the English game and well respected (football wise), though a little dull to listen to, i think he has a good football brain. 

To some who are using how involved he is with England - its a bit rich, as the majority of Welsh players/managers are involved in English Football (its not British, or Welsh and English - its English). So if we dont allow anyone who talks about English football to be involved in the Welsh set up we shall look at the Welsh leagues for a solution. Lets not forget Craig Bellamy is highly involved in the Sky series "The Debate", which talks 99.5% about English football, including at least 25% about England national team. Yet Bellamy is a Welsh darling. 

Not being a motivator, inexperienced, possible lack of commitment, not right for international football - i can accept those sensible arguments. But some of the comments are just from personal feelings from the perception he doesn't care about Wales as he was managed by his club through his career (which lasted until hes 40 - Bale will not by the way, hes already struggling), and missed a number of "meaningless" friendlies (which many argue should be used to blood fringe players anyway - so you are massively contradicting yourselves). How many important competitive fixtures he missed should be the yardstick to beat him with, not friendlies (which most fans also miss).

And i dont think Giggs should be the next manager by the way, i back Carl Robinson, but i thinksome of the stick Giggs gets is unfounded.

I'm not against the Premier League. If they want to play for an English club I don't care. It's not international football representing a country, you're representing a town, a city, a community.

Do you know Giggs hasn't been approached by Sky, S4C, the FAW commercial team about a role within Wales? Wouldn't it be crazy if when they said "Giggs, we'd like to offer you a chance to be a pundit at England matches" and instead of saying "yes" he said "why would I? I'm Welsh. It clashes with Wales matches and I have aspirations of being in the Welsh set up. I'd rather watch Wales and create a bond with the players, fans, sponsors, directors who'll be paying my wages if I did get the job".

Unbelievable comments, something very strange has happened to welsh fans over the last few years. I blame the tinternet...

[conwy10]

Jan 5, 2018 23:22:37 GMT yanto said:

Jan 5, 2018 21:11:28 GMT conwy10 said:

I'm not against the Premier League. If they want to play for an English club I don't care. It's not international football representing a country, you're representing a town, a city, a community.

Do you know Giggs hasn't been approached by Sky, S4C, the FAW commercial team about a role within Wales? Wouldn't it be crazy if when they said "Giggs, we'd like to offer you a chance to be a pundit at England matches" and instead of saying "yes" he said "why would I? I'm Welsh. It clashes with Wales matches and I have aspirations of being in the Welsh set up. I'd rather watch Wales and create a bond with the players, fans, sponsors, directors who'll be paying my wages if I did get the job".

Unbelievable comments, something very strange has happened to welsh fans over the last few years. I blame the tinternet...

Being honest I find the pro Giggs comments unbelievable. The genius man manager who'll have our players running through brick walls like he did against Arsenal. Will take Bale and Ramsey to another level because he played under the greatest manager of all time, who's never produced a top level manager, assistant or coach. He'll thrive in Welsh football despite the fact he couldn't sleep being in charge of Man United's 4 final matches where the results really didn't matter. The guy who knows football inside out despite the fact he's been off the radar for years. The Welsh legend who I haven't seen promoting anything Wales since he retired but jumps at opportunities to be involved elsewhere. But yeah if he hadn't have missed those friendlies I'd be 100% up for him as manager.

I will say if the FAW put their hand in the fire to see if it's hot I will support Giggs as Wales manager, but I'd rather Welsh football didn't have to get burned for a sponsorship deal from the Far East.

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I’m sensing this is going to be a deeply divisive appointment. Speed or Coleman seemed to have universal support but there’s going to be tensions in the stands with Giggs in charge. Too many are vehemently opposed to him. Not just on here either.

[yanto]

Jan 6, 2018 9:42:13 GMT @peoffrey said:

I’m sensing this is going to be a deeply divisive appointment. Speed or Coleman seemed to have universal support but there’s going to be tensions in the stands with Giggs in charge. Too many are vehemently opposed to him. Not just on here either.

Its worth noting that things have changed since Speed and Cookie were appointed, we still had a small following and had achieved nothing. Having some sucess has brought out a holier than though mentality. Whilst i want our players and manager to have passion i do not want it being the overriding qualifiction, i want the best professional, elite sportsmen pulling in the same direction. Its worth considering how our anglos have ended up playing for us? Was Ashley Williams determined he had to play for wales because he felt welsh or because it enhanced his professional ambition?

[yanto]

Jan 6, 2018 9:53:44 GMT yanto said:

Jan 6, 2018 9:42:13 GMT @peoffrey said:

I’m sensing this is going to be a deeply divisive appointment. Speed or Coleman seemed to have universal support but there’s going to be tensions in the stands with Giggs in charge. Too many are vehemently opposed to him. Not just on here either.

Its worth noting that things have changed since Speed and Cookie were appointed, we still had a small following and had achieved nothing. Having some sucess has brought out a holier than though mentality. Whilst i want our players and manager to have passion i do not want it being the overriding qualification, i want the best professional, elite sportsmen pulling in the same direction. Its worth considering how our anglos have ended up playing for us? Was Ashley Williams determined he had to play for wales because he felt welsh or because it enhanced his professional ambition?

[sleepy]

Jan 6, 2018 9:42:13 GMT @peoffrey said:

I’m sensing this is going to be a deeply divisive appointment. Speed or Coleman seemed to have universal support but there’s going to be tensions in the stands with Giggs in charge. Too many are vehemently opposed to him. Not just on here either.

I don't think Coleman had universal support at appointment. Have a look at some threads from late 2011.

Giggs wouldn't be my first choice either, however i will get behind whoever is appointed and would expect and advise others to do likewise. This isn't a club job - there are only 4 competitive games in 2018, and then 10 in 2019. Hard to get sacked based on a handful of games.

If we want to qualify for Euro 2020 we all need to back the new guy.

[1gwaunview]

My support for Wales will continue regardless of who is successful with their application for the Manager's job. However, Ryan Giggs is probably the most 'marmite' applicant ever for the post. Even his family don't want him appointed for obvious reasons, and I shudder to think what the atmosphere at CCS would be like if he struggled in post.

[conwy10]

Jan 6, 2018 11:32:43 GMT 1gwaunview said:

My support for Wales will continue regardless of who is successful with their application for the Manager's job. However, Ryan Giggs is probably the most 'marmite' applicant ever for the post. Even his family don't want him appointed for obvious reasons, and I shudder to think what the atmosphere at CCS would be like if he struggled in post.

I imagine at his first match a round of applause, a few new Giggs chants, a few Giggs banners. It's what happens after that that worries me.

Will we lose a match and those feelings of him being inexperienced and out of the game for so long boil over? Will we question his abilities to coach and set up a team if we're being tactically outclassed? Will he have a calm demeanour in interviews and on the touch line that people will see as not passionate enough? Will he have less of a presence off the pitch and be seen as not committed to the job?

These days with social media everything is looked at in great detail. As long as we're winning he'll be proving his doubters wrong, but when that first loss comes out come all the doubts. I hope for him it'll be the first match in a double header and he can quickly put it right a few days later, if we have to wait months on a loss...

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Jan 6, 2018 10:13:25 GMT sleepy said:

Jan 6, 2018 9:42:13 GMT @peoffrey said:

I’m sensing this is going to be a deeply divisive appointment. Speed or Coleman seemed to have universal support but there’s going to be tensions in the stands with Giggs in charge. Too many are vehemently opposed to him. Not just on here either.

I don't think Coleman had universal support at appointment. Have a look at some threads from late 2011.

Giggs wouldn't be my first choice either, however i will get behind whoever is appointed and would expect and advise others to do likewise. This isn't a club job - there are only 4 competitive games in 2018, and then 10 in 2019. Hard to get sacked based on a handful of games.

If we want to qualify for Euro 2020 we all need to back the new guy.

Is 2020 qualification a fair ask given how few competitive tournaments we’ve been in as a nation? That would give him less than two years in the job if it’s a key target.

A Facebook page this morning was all “no to Giggs” etc.