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Oct 30, 2018 6:17:07 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Oct 30, 2018 6:17:07 GMT
I think the point being made was that Coleman left us for Sunderland which he's probably regretting having done now. Doubt his bank balance is regretting life in China....
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Oct 30, 2018 7:40:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 7:40:40 GMT
His career might...
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Post by cymro on Oct 30, 2018 8:27:17 GMT
I don't think either party (FAW and Coleman) wanted to continue in all honesty. I think Coleman knew he'd taken us as far as he could, and the FAW wanted a fresh start and were probably finding the tactics tiresome.
All the news in the papers about Coleman wanting to stay and the FAW playing hardball over contracts I suspect was just lip service to save face, rather than make it look like he just up and left us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 8:59:11 GMT
100%. I lost my temper when the news broke and got told off by the barmaid in the old man pub I was drinking in.
I'm remarkably over it now.
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Oct 30, 2018 20:35:29 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Oct 30, 2018 20:35:29 GMT
Coleman isn’t a fair comparison as he was vastly more experienced. The likes of Gerrard and Lampard haven’t taken over at Arsenal or Chelsea. Arsenal?
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Oct 30, 2018 20:48:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 20:48:01 GMT
A big club. Emery got it for a reason. Joey Barton at Fleetwood etc.
Coleman was a laughing stock following a poor spell as a manager. We reinvented him.
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Oct 31, 2018 7:48:26 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Oct 31, 2018 7:48:26 GMT
A big club. Emery got it for a reason. Joey Barton at Fleetwood etc. Coleman was a laughing stock following a poor spell as a manager. We reinvented him. Not initially mind. Had a good season at F ulham finishing in a respectable 7th I think. A couple of poor showings after this though.
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Post by richierich333 on Oct 31, 2018 7:51:04 GMT
I don't think either party (FAW and Coleman) wanted to continue in all honesty. I think Coleman knew he'd taken us as far as he could, and the FAW wanted a fresh start and were probably finding the tactics tiresome. All the news in the papers about Coleman wanting to stay and the FAW playing hardball over contracts I suspect was just lip service to save face, rather than make it look like he just up and left us. Even if people don't like the Giggs appointment, it was the perfect time for both parties to call it a day.
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Oct 31, 2018 7:54:59 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Oct 31, 2018 7:54:59 GMT
A lot of fans want Giggs at man Utd either as a manager or coach.
My point is IF they come calling he will be off in a shot.
Not too bothered either way as I think there young players will produce under most manager's, except uncle Bobby.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 8:49:50 GMT
A big club. Emery got it for a reason. Joey Barton at Fleetwood etc. Coleman was a laughing stock following a poor spell as a manager. We reinvented him. Not initially mind. Had a good season at F ulham finishing in a respectable 7th I think. A couple of poor showings after this though.A poor spell and not an overall career. Wasn't it Coventry, Real Sociedad (washing machine) and then a Greek club after that? He got the Wales job on an account of being Welsh and available. He reminds me of Kevin Keegan in some ways. A talker and a motivator. Far too many draws in the World Cup 2018 campaign. Giggs has already made the job his own. Coleman didn't initially do that. Thinking of the 6-1 in Serbia etc.
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Oct 31, 2018 9:06:56 GMT
Post by pendragon on Oct 31, 2018 9:06:56 GMT
While I wholeheartedly agree that it was time to move on and I do attribute our pragmatic style during the WC qualifiers to too many draws, Coleman brought us to highs never seen before in Welsh football since 1958. I'll forever be grateful to him and the team for those moments.
I thoroughly feel that where we have got to now is the result of a culmination of events. Since the Flynn and Toshack days, each manager has built on the foundation and the progress of the previous.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 31, 2018 13:38:39 GMT
Totally agree
Semi final of a major tournament, I doubt will be repeated in my life time.
Ask a Scottish fan what he would give for that
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Post by richierich333 on Oct 31, 2018 13:38:57 GMT
Not initially mind. Had a good season at F ulham finishing in a respectable 7th I think. A couple of poor showings after this though.A poor spell and not an overall career. Wasn't it Coventry, Real Sociedad (washing machine) and then a Greek club after that? He got the Wales job on an account of being Welsh and available. He reminds me of Kevin Keegan in some ways. A talker and a motivator. Far too many draws in the World Cup 2018 campaign. Giggs has already made the job his own. Coleman didn't initially do that. Thinking of the 6-1 in Serbia etc. Switching off twice against Serbia, Austria away and taking our foot of the gas against Georgia is something the players are at least 60% responsible for. There was definitely an air of grandeur, a Euro hangover or possibly a combination of the two amongst the players.
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Oct 31, 2018 13:43:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 13:43:14 GMT
It’s the manager’s job to motivate the players. I imagine Giggs isn’t as chummy with them.
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Post by cymroircarn on Oct 31, 2018 14:36:17 GMT
It’s the manager’s job to motivate the players. I imagine Giggs isn’t as chummy with them. I would need no motivation to play for my country so not sure why the players do I would see the Manager more to setup a system, tactics, tempo, pattern etc than just gee the boys up before a game
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 16:35:26 GMT
Never underestimate the role of the coaches. Osian in particular is a huge influence. Look at Coleman now. Relegated Sunderland and now managing in China. Where on earth does he go from there?
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 31, 2018 16:42:03 GMT
Never underestimate the role of the coaches. Osian in particular is a huge influence. Look at Coleman now. Relegated Sunderland and now managing in China. Where on earth does he go from there? Bryncoch!!
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Nov 1, 2018 9:33:16 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 1, 2018 9:33:16 GMT
Never underestimate the role of the coaches. Osian in particular is a huge influence. Look at Coleman now. Relegated Sunderland and now managing in China. Where on earth does he go from there? I’m not understating their work. They have input, the manager makes the decision. That’s how it works. For you to imply all the manager does is motivate a player for a game is naive.
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Nov 1, 2018 16:39:43 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 1, 2018 16:39:43 GMT
If a player can't motivate himself to play for his country, he shouldn't in the squad in the first place.
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Nov 3, 2018 6:08:29 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Nov 3, 2018 6:08:29 GMT
If a player can't motivate himself to play for his country, he shouldn't in the squad in the first place. If a player couldn't motivate himself to turn up to play for his country, should he be given the job of managing and motivating the squad in the first place? [Sits back and watches the whole debate re-ignite itself]
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Nov 3, 2018 8:39:20 GMT
Post by yanto on Nov 3, 2018 8:39:20 GMT
If a player can't motivate himself to play for his country, he shouldn't in the squad in the first place. If a player couldn't motivate himself to turn up to play for his country, should he be given the job of managing and motivating the squad in the first place? [Sits back and watches the whole debate re-ignite itself] Yawn
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Nov 3, 2018 9:55:39 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 3, 2018 9:55:39 GMT
If a player can't motivate himself to play for his country, he shouldn't in the squad in the first place. If a player couldn't motivate himself to turn up to play for his country, should he be given the job of managing and motivating the squad in the first place? [Sits back and watches the whole debate re-ignite itself] Hmmm, an interesting point you raise there. Another thing,people need take into consideration is that he had an affair with his brothers wife or something.
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Nov 3, 2018 11:10:01 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Nov 3, 2018 11:10:01 GMT
If a player couldn't motivate himself to turn up to play for his country, should he be given the job of managing and motivating the squad in the first place? [Sits back and watches the whole debate re-ignite itself] Hmmm, an interesting point you raise there. Another thing,people need take into consideration is that he had an affair with his brothers wife or something. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that these points have never been mentioned, either here or on social media before, so I thought that I would make everybody aware of them. [Sits back annoyed that someone with an even better sense for irony has replied to my post] :-)
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Nov 5, 2018 19:48:17 GMT
Post by iot on Nov 5, 2018 19:48:17 GMT
I'm really not trying to cause mischief here, as I think Giggs has generally done a good job since coming in. However, I did find one of his answers in a press conference odd today. Rob Phillips was asking whether he was concerned by Bale's poor form, and his response was that he hadn't watched any of Bale's recent games as he doesn't have sky. He was half joking of course, but he was seriously saying that he hadn't watched Bale's recent games. If I were Wales manager, I'm pretty sure that I would have watched every minute of every player in my squad if possible, particularly my most important ones.
I was also reading on Wales Online that he hasn't been down the Liberty once this seasons and they were questioning whether Giggs had actually seen Rodon play. I'm not too concerned if Giggs has made an informed choice to leave Rodon with the u21s if he thinks that's better for his development, but I am concerned if he's not doing enough work to make sure that he is fully informed of the merits of each player.
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Nov 5, 2018 21:07:39 GMT
Post by manulike on Nov 5, 2018 21:07:39 GMT
I'm really not trying to cause mischief here, as I think Giggs has generally done a good job since coming in. However, I did find one of his answers in a press conference odd today. Rob Phillips was asking whether he was concerned by Bale's poor form, and his response was that he hadn't watched any of Bale's recent games as he doesn't have sky. He was half joking of course, but he was seriously saying that he hadn't watched Bale's recent games. If I were Wales manager, I'm pretty sure that I would have watched every minute of every player in my squad if possible, particularly my most important ones. I was also reading on Wales Online that he hasn't been down the Liberty once this seasons and they were questioning whether Giggs had actually seen Rodon play. I'm not too concerned if Giggs has made an informed choice to leave Rodon with the u21s if he thinks that's better for his development, but I am concerned if he's not doing enough work to make sure that he is fully informed of the merits of each player. Can fully understand the merits in your argument re: Rodon.
For the life of me, does any of the Welsh extensive squad need to follow the progress of Bale / Ramsey / Allen? Hell, Giggs gave Ledley a chance this Summer in LA when he hadn't played at all for months ...
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Nov 5, 2018 22:05:11 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Nov 5, 2018 22:05:11 GMT
I'm really not trying to cause mischief here, as I think Giggs has generally done a good job since coming in. However, I did find one of his answers in a press conference odd today. Rob Phillips was asking whether he was concerned by Bale's poor form, and his response was that he hadn't watched any of Bale's recent games as he doesn't have sky. He was half joking of course, but he was seriously saying that he hadn't watched Bale's recent games. If I were Wales manager, I'm pretty sure that I would have watched every minute of every player in my squad if possible, particularly my most important ones.I was also reading on Wales Online that he hasn't been down the Liberty once this seasons and they were questioning whether Giggs had actually seen Rodon play. I'm not too concerned if Giggs has made an informed choice to leave Rodon with the u21s if he thinks that's better for his development, but I am concerned if he's not doing enough work to make sure that he is fully informed of the merits of each player. I'm not sure if you watched and remembered the S4C "Osian" documentary several years back? Well it effectively showed that Coleman didn't really watch many players or games either. Effectively he left it down to his team of analysts to go to the games and analyse the performances of his squad and then report back. Just watching the analysis / highlights video must be a "modern Manager" thing.
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Nov 6, 2018 7:49:34 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Nov 6, 2018 7:49:34 GMT
Giggs is effectively a part time manager when you look at what other interests he has.
Not to have access to premier sports is a disgrace, we have just played Spain and our beat player is there
Will support the team as ever but not convinced about Giggs yet
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Nov 6, 2018 8:10:06 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Nov 6, 2018 8:10:06 GMT
I'm really not trying to cause mischief here, as I think Giggs has generally done a good job since coming in. However, I did find one of his answers in a press conference odd today. Rob Phillips was asking whether he was concerned by Bale's poor form, and his response was that he hadn't watched any of Bale's recent games as he doesn't have sky. He was half joking of course, but he was seriously saying that he hadn't watched Bale's recent games. If I were Wales manager, I'm pretty sure that I would have watched every minute of every player in my squad if possible, particularly my most important ones. I was also reading on Wales Online that he hasn't been down the Liberty once this seasons and they were questioning whether Giggs had actually seen Rodon play. I'm not too concerned if Giggs has made an informed choice to leave Rodon with the u21s if he thinks that's better for his development, but I am concerned if he's not doing enough work to make sure that he is fully informed of the merits of each player. If I was manager I'd be watching as many as possible so I get what you're saying. However what would he have taken away from watching Bale in any match? Even if he didn't have a good game or is in poor form, he still starts for us. There's nothing he can learn that he didn't already know. He'd be better off watching the Swansea kids or one of the other Championship games.
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Nov 6, 2018 10:59:19 GMT
Post by derynglas on Nov 6, 2018 10:59:19 GMT
Theres no Spanish football on sky this season anyway,its on Eleven sports which isnt even available in the U.K. at the moment.
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Nov 6, 2018 11:49:35 GMT
Post by haruki on Nov 6, 2018 11:49:35 GMT
What i found off was not so much that he hasn't watched Bale but apparently he hasn't been to a Swansea match this season. Surely with their young Welsh Players on offer he should have watched them a handful of times? So if he hasn't watched Swansea then what was the basis for not selecting Rodon?
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