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Post by iot on Nov 6, 2018 12:02:30 GMT
I'm really not trying to cause mischief here, as I think Giggs has generally done a good job since coming in. However, I did find one of his answers in a press conference odd today. Rob Phillips was asking whether he was concerned by Bale's poor form, and his response was that he hadn't watched any of Bale's recent games as he doesn't have sky. He was half joking of course, but he was seriously saying that he hadn't watched Bale's recent games. If I were Wales manager, I'm pretty sure that I would have watched every minute of every player in my squad if possible, particularly my most important ones.I was also reading on Wales Online that he hasn't been down the Liberty once this seasons and they were questioning whether Giggs had actually seen Rodon play. I'm not too concerned if Giggs has made an informed choice to leave Rodon with the u21s if he thinks that's better for his development, but I am concerned if he's not doing enough work to make sure that he is fully informed of the merits of each player. I'm not sure if you watched and remembered the S4C "Osian" documentary several years back? Well it effectively showed that Coleman didn't really watch many players or games either. Effectively he left it down to his team of analysts to go to the games and analyse the performances of his squad and then report back. Just watching the analysis / highlights video must be a "modern Manager" thing. It just felt strange to me, but if that's what modern managers do and it's not a sign of incompetence/lack of commitment then there's no issue.
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Post by iot on Nov 6, 2018 12:07:44 GMT
I'm really not trying to cause mischief here, as I think Giggs has generally done a good job since coming in. However, I did find one of his answers in a press conference odd today. Rob Phillips was asking whether he was concerned by Bale's poor form, and his response was that he hadn't watched any of Bale's recent games as he doesn't have sky. He was half joking of course, but he was seriously saying that he hadn't watched Bale's recent games. If I were Wales manager, I'm pretty sure that I would have watched every minute of every player in my squad if possible, particularly my most important ones. I was also reading on Wales Online that he hasn't been down the Liberty once this seasons and they were questioning whether Giggs had actually seen Rodon play. I'm not too concerned if Giggs has made an informed choice to leave Rodon with the u21s if he thinks that's better for his development, but I am concerned if he's not doing enough work to make sure that he is fully informed of the merits of each player. If I was manager I'd be watching as many as possible so I get what you're saying. However what would he have taken away from watching Bale in any match? Even if he didn't have a good game or is in poor form, he still starts for us. There's nothing he can learn that he didn't already know. He'd be better off watching the Swansea kids or one of the other Championship games. I'm sure there's plenty of stuff that experts in the game can take from watching performances, no matter how many times they've watched those players previously. He might pick up on things that explains his form (e.g. a lack of confidence or if, for some reason, he isn't making the runs he used to, isn't getting into the right places etc.). He would then presumably be able to use that info to instruct Bale, try and adjust his game for Denmark (e.g. by asking him to make more runs in behind) etc. However, the broader point I was making is that if he isn't putting in the work he should to monitor our best player and given that we know he hasn't been down the liberty despite there being 3 Welsh youngsters starting week-in, week-out, does it point towards a broader issue?
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Nov 6, 2018 16:14:26 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 6, 2018 16:14:26 GMT
If I was manager I'd be watching as many as possible so I get what you're saying. However what would he have taken away from watching Bale in any match? Even if he didn't have a good game or is in poor form, he still starts for us. There's nothing he can learn that he didn't already know. He'd be better off watching the Swansea kids or one of the other Championship games. I'm sure there's plenty of stuff that experts in the game can take from watching performances, no matter how many times they've watched those players previously. He might pick up on things that explains his form (e.g. a lack of confidence or if, for some reason, he isn't making the runs he used to, isn't getting into the right places etc.). He would then presumably be able to use that info to instruct Bale, try and adjust his game for Denmark (e.g. by asking him to make more runs in behind) etc. However, the broader point I was making is that if he isn't putting in the work he should to monitor our best player and given that we know he hasn't been down the liberty despite there being 3 Welsh youngsters starting week-in, week-out, does it point towards a broader issue? Probably watches Salford instead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 19:41:28 GMT
This backhanded criticism of Giggs will never die. He can’t be everywhere. Scouts and spotters report in. Videos will be available.
I’m happy enough so far. Young players getting a chance.
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Nov 6, 2018 20:02:34 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 6, 2018 20:02:34 GMT
This backhanded criticism of Giggs will never die. He can’t be everywhere. Scouts and spotters report in. Videos will be available. I’m happy enough so far. Young players getting a chance. Agree. What ever he does there be some one find something to critize him.
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Nov 6, 2018 20:10:18 GMT
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Post by TheWelshWay on Nov 6, 2018 20:10:18 GMT
Some of the criticism is a bit silly - ‘doesn’t watch enough football on tv’ ‘why isn’t he playing [...]’ ‘he wasn’t watching my team on the weekend, he must be lazy’
He will rely on his team of professionals to monitor and scout - will review videos and analysis prepared by Osh and Albert (thats why they are there) and talk with Page. He’s doing nothing wrong but some people will always have an agenda.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 6, 2018 20:13:36 GMT
No backhand criticism here
Think he is treating us as a stepping stone
Dont think he is fully committed
Don't like him as a person
Will support the team as ever and think he Will be relatively successful but with the talent we have and easier than ever qualifying he should at the very least get us to a tournament. If Man Utd don't come calling
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Nov 6, 2018 20:20:06 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 6, 2018 20:20:06 GMT
No backhand criticism here Think he is treating us as a stepping stone Dont think he is fully committed Don't like him as a person Will support the team as ever and think he Will be relatively successful but with the talent we have and easier than ever qualifying he should at the very least get us to a tournament. If Man Utd don't come calling You right. He will move on too as he hopes to manu. But i dont see that hapenning soon. United won't make him manager next after Jose,
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 7, 2018 17:49:58 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Nov 7, 2018 18:04:33 GMT
No backhand criticism here Think he is treating us as a stepping stone Dont think he is fully committed Don't like him as a person Will support the team as ever and think he Will be relatively successful but with the talent we have and easier than ever qualifying he should at the very least get us to a tournament. If Man Utd don't come calling You right. He will move on too as he hopes to manu. But i dont see that hapenning soon. United won't make him manager next after Jose, If Giggs qualifies for Euros and we are successful. Don’t be surprised if he joins a Burnley or a Preston NE. It doesn’t have to be United. We’ve lost managers to Sunderland and Blackburn. What we the Welsh fans want and what they want and what they can earn at a club is a different mindset. I think that’s what was special about Gary Speed. He came to us from a decent club.
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Nov 7, 2018 19:58:57 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 7, 2018 19:58:57 GMT
You right. He will move on too as he hopes to manu. But i dont see that hapenning soon. United won't make him manager next after Jose, If Giggs qualifies for Euros and we are successful. Don’t be surprised if he joins a Burnley or a Preston NE. It doesn’t have to be United. We’ve lost managers to Sunderland and Blackburn. What we the Welsh fans want and what they want and what they can earn at a club is a different mindset. I think that’s what was special about Gary Speed. He came to us from a decent club. No way will he go to Burnley or PNE he thinks he is above them.
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Nov 7, 2018 20:05:31 GMT
Post by manulike on Nov 7, 2018 20:05:31 GMT
Thanks. Very well written and really spot on.
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Nov 8, 2018 15:58:55 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 8, 2018 15:58:55 GMT
He'll be off (thank goodness) if/when we are successful in qualifying for a tournament (post tournament of course). Sooner the better for all concerned.
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Post by rossyjones on Nov 8, 2018 16:38:31 GMT
If he does, he does. If he doesn't, he doesn't. I couldn't care less as long as we qualify and get a suitable replacement
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Post by superunknown on Nov 8, 2018 16:54:52 GMT
He'll be off (thank goodness) if/when we are successful in qualifying for a tournament (post tournament of course). Sooner the better for all concerned. If he manages to get to us to a tournament why would it be good news if he left and we have to start over with a new manager?
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Nov 8, 2018 17:35:44 GMT
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Post by TheWelshWay on Nov 8, 2018 17:35:44 GMT
He'll be off (thank goodness) if/when we are successful in qualifying for a tournament (post tournament of course). Sooner the better for all concerned. Very stange attitude. He’d take us to a major tournament and you would be happy he goes? Hughes and Cookie used Wales as a steppingstone stone - not sure why Giggs in his first job is any different (hardly going to stay Wales manager his entire career)
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 8, 2018 17:36:54 GMT
He'll be off (thank goodness) if/when we are successful in qualifying for a tournament (post tournament of course). Sooner the better for all concerned. I'd rather he stick around for the World Cup personally if we're successful in qualifying for Euro 2020. Starting from scratch will hardly benefit us and there's hardly a large pool of talented Welsh managers.
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Nov 8, 2018 19:46:48 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 8, 2018 19:46:48 GMT
He'll be off (thank goodness) if/when we are successful in qualifying for a tournament (post tournament of course). Sooner the better for all concerned. I'd rather he stick around for the World Cup personally if we're successful in qualifying for Euro 2020. Starting from scratch will hardly benefit us and there's hardly a large pool of talented Welsh managers. We've got to qualify first, if that happened his stock would rise and he'd be off the first decent club offer he got. Don't think he'd be too concerned about Wales given his nature.
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Post by saints19 on Nov 9, 2018 15:33:22 GMT
It's been OK on the whole so far, despite the very inconsistent performances and shocking defence (in some games - thankfully better in the key games v ROI). I am a sceptic, did not support the appointment, but will judge him on performances and results. If we qualify and he buggers off to a club job, so be it. International management is basically about 2 year cycles anyway and you review at the end of the 2 years. He's achieved the first part of the job which was to make sure we were in pot 2 for the main draw giving us a good chance of a favourable draw. Now we have to hope for a good draw and make sure not to mess up the group. If he does that he can leave with the best wishes of the fans, probably irrespective of how we actually do at the finals.
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Post by turkpower on Nov 9, 2018 15:58:19 GMT
Apologies for a completely unrelated comment(didn't want to start a new thread). Saturday 8pm on Freesport Ch422 it's the Argentinan cup final 1st leg, River Plate v Boca Juniors(derby game), first for for 50 odd years. Expected to be a blood bath.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 10, 2018 15:23:43 GMT
He'd have to do something monumental within that 2 year time frame for a Premier League side to come calling imo - especially when there are so many other options at their disposal.
A 2 year national team management stint isn't a great deal of experience. Club games are played week in, week out. He is almost 12 months into an essentially part-time management job with inconsistent results when you put it into that context. A League 1 or even a Championship side might take their chances but can't see a PL side doing that. I could be wrong of course.
On a performance level, I'll cut him some slack for the inconsistent performances. We have some youngsters in the team who've been thrown in at the deep end and we have a rookie manager. They beat Ireland away for the first time in 27 years without three or four key players - that's some achievement considering Denmark didn't do the same without Eriksen. I'm realistic but I also see a team in transition and as far as I can see, we are certainly moving in the right direction 🖒
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Nov 10, 2018 20:18:27 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 10, 2018 20:18:27 GMT
He'd have to do something monumental within that 2 year time frame for a Premier League side to come calling imo - especially when there are so many other options at their disposal. A 2 year national team management stint isn't a great deal of experience. Club games are played week in, week out. He is almost 12 months into an essentially part-time management job with inconsistent results when you put it into that context. A League 1 or even a Championship side might take their chances but can't see a PL side doing that. I could be wrong of course. On a performance level, I'll cut him some slack for the inconsistent performances. We have some youngsters in the team who've been thrown in at the deep end and we have a rookie manager. They beat Ireland away for the first time in 27 years without three or four key players - that's some achievement considering Denmark didn't do the same without Eriksen. I'm realistic but I also see a team in transition and as far as I can see, we are certainly moving in the right direction 🖒 I agree, we do seem to be moving in the right direction although it's transitional (ups and downs). He has a very talented squad to pick from although many are young and inexperienced. Most of Giggs' predecessors had to work with far less, he's been very fortunate to get the Wales job at this time. A lot of praise goes to those who've developed these youngsters, and if he gets the best out them good times lie ahead.
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Nov 10, 2018 23:02:06 GMT
Post by pendragon on Nov 10, 2018 23:02:06 GMT
He'd have to do something monumental within that 2 year time frame for a Premier League side to come calling imo - especially when there are so many other options at their disposal. A 2 year national team management stint isn't a great deal of experience. Club games are played week in, week out. He is almost 12 months into an essentially part-time management job with inconsistent results when you put it into that context. A League 1 or even a Championship side might take their chances but can't see a PL side doing that. I could be wrong of course. On a performance level, I'll cut him some slack for the inconsistent performances. We have some youngsters in the team who've been thrown in at the deep end and we have a rookie manager. They beat Ireland away for the first time in 27 years without three or four key players - that's some achievement considering Denmark didn't do the same without Eriksen. I'm realistic but I also see a team in transition and as far as I can see, we are certainly moving in the right direction 🖒 I agree, we do seem to be moving in the right direction although it's transitional (ups and downs). He has a very talented squad to pick from although many are young and inexperienced. Most of Giggs' predecessors had to work with far less, he's been very fortunate to get the Wales job at this time. A lot of praise goes to those who've developed these youngsters, and if he gets the best out them good times lie ahead. Absolutely. As I've said previously, we've reached this stage after a culmination of events over the past twenty years and every manager we've had since then seems to have built upon the groundwork laid by their predecessors, from Flynn to Coleman. Giggs is very lucky indeed but I will give him credit for having the courage to throw caution to the wind by playing young, relatively untested players (as well as capping promising dual-qualified ones), in competitive high-stake fixtures. Long term, I think this will prove to be one of the best things he will have done in his current management role. This approach has already got other managers sitting up and taking notice, like Martin O'Neill and possibly, Gareth Southgate.
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Post by ausred88 on Nov 11, 2018 7:25:36 GMT
I'd rather he stick around for the World Cup personally if we're successful in qualifying for Euro 2020. Starting from scratch will hardly benefit us and there's hardly a large pool of talented Welsh managers. We've got to qualify first, if that happened his stock would rise and he'd be off the first decent club offer he got. Don't think he'd be too concerned about Wales given his nature. He's had his whole career at United and Wales and there's no reason to suspect he'd choose otherwise unless necessary. Even when looking for a club he wanted a Welsh club. People try to judge him because of things they've seen in the media but he's a loyal football man. Zidane coached Real and now wants to coach Juventus. Some people just know what it takes to win and know where they fit and where they don't.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 11, 2018 8:41:38 GMT
We've got to qualify first, if that happened his stock would rise and he'd be off the first decent club offer he got. Don't think he'd be too concerned about Wales given his nature. He's had his whole career at United and Wales and there's no reason to suspect he'd choose otherwise unless necessary. Even when looking for a club he wanted a Welsh club. People try to judge him because of things they've seen in the media but he's a loyal football man.Zidane coached Real and now wants to coach Juventus. Some people just know what it takes to win and know where they fit and where they don't. Yeah, looking for a Welsh club......a loyal football man......no reason to suspect that he'd choose otherwise www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41729238Managing Wales was far from his first choice, I think that most people would accept that. Although now here, I think that he will hang around as he see's many benefits to him; firstly he will have a long stint as a Manager without a high level of scrutiny, we are currently in a position which meets his philosophy i.e. we have lots of 'kids' that are ready to play international football. The part-time aspect of the role allows him to maintain his interests outside of football.
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Post by ausred88 on Nov 11, 2018 9:32:50 GMT
He's had his whole career at United and Wales and there's no reason to suspect he'd choose otherwise unless necessary. Even when looking for a club he wanted a Welsh club. People try to judge him because of things they've seen in the media but he's a loyal football man.Zidane coached Real and now wants to coach Juventus. Some people just know what it takes to win and know where they fit and where they don't. Yeah, looking for a Welsh club......a loyal football man......no reason to suspect that he'd choose otherwise www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41729238Managing Wales was far from his first choice, I think that most people would accept that. Although now here, I think that he will hang around as he see's many benefits to him; firstly he will have a long stint as a Manager without a high level of scrutiny, we are currently in a position which meets his philosophy i.e. we have lots of 'kids' that are ready to play international football. The part-time aspect of the role allows him to maintain his interests outside of football. He said Wales and United are his dream jobs. That's a pointless link because he wasn't up for the Wales job then. I'm not saying he'll never take another job but he isn't leaving Wales for a Preston North End or Burnley.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 11, 2018 10:38:42 GMT
Yeah, looking for a Welsh club......a loyal football man......no reason to suspect that he'd choose otherwise www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41729238Managing Wales was far from his first choice, I think that most people would accept that. Although now here, I think that he will hang around as he see's many benefits to him; firstly he will have a long stint as a Manager without a high level of scrutiny, we are currently in a position which meets his philosophy i.e. we have lots of 'kids' that are ready to play international football. The part-time aspect of the role allows him to maintain his interests outside of football. He said Wales and United are his dream jobs. That's a pointless link because he wasn't up for the Wales job then. I'm not saying he'll never take another job but he isn't leaving Wales for a Preston North End or Burnley. Agreed he isn't going to leave Wales for PNE or Burnley for the reasons given above. The link shows that he was unemployed at the time and was more than willing to be linked with any Premier League Manager vacancy (not just the only one in Wales) that was going. Heavens he was even *shiver* thinking about lowering himself to managing in League Two. If Wales was his dream job, why didn't he bide his time for the Wales job rather than showing interest in Everton, Leicester, Swansea? Why did he show absolutely no interest in getting involved in Welsh football (apart from when a burger joint was paying him) prior to the job cropping up? If he had spent time in and around Welsh when he was unemployed he would have been a shoe-horn into the role. "Wales is his dream job" my arse.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 16, 2018 14:25:18 GMT
He doesn't help himself does he
Doesn't mention an international high or low, just don't think he cared
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Post by dai on Nov 16, 2018 15:02:42 GMT
He doesn't help himself does he Doesn't mention an international high or low, just don't think he cared Whats this about?
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Nov 16, 2018 15:45:33 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Nov 16, 2018 15:45:33 GMT
His interview on the BBC website, basically his footballing highs and lows. All man utd
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