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Giggs
Nov 16, 2018 15:50:40 GMT
Post by dai on Nov 16, 2018 15:50:40 GMT
His interview on the BBC website, basically his footballing highs and lows. All man utd Oh dear. I wonder what he would class as highs during his Welsh career?
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Giggs
Nov 16, 2018 16:03:18 GMT
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Post by saints19 on Nov 16, 2018 16:03:18 GMT
His interview on the BBC website, basically his footballing highs and lows. All man utd Oh dear. I wonder what he would class as highs during his Welsh career? Plenty of individual games if not a qualification, for example the 2-1 over Italy which sent us 5 points clear at the top of our 2004 group.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:05:05 GMT
Post by SLAMMER on Nov 16, 2018 18:05:05 GMT
maybe his early Welsh career where he burst on the interntational scene but winning two european cups, 13 league titles and numerous other trophies i'm not sure anyone can be surprised they are all Man Utd moments in his career highs.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:24:16 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 16, 2018 18:24:16 GMT
maybe his early Welsh career where he burst on the interntational scene but winning two european cups, 13 league titles and numerous other trophies i'm not sure anyone can be surprised they are all Man Utd moments in his career highs. Just another excuse to have a go at our manager... the only way some will give him praise is winning WC then they will say it's only a stepping stone to United. On night of a big game for us/Wales we still look at any sentance/interview to be critical of him.
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Nov 16, 2018 22:01:01 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2018 22:01:01 GMT
Whatever we say about Giggs we have to remember we had three really great opportunities to score in first half. Too not get one of the three headers on target is disappointing.
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 16, 2018 22:02:34 GMT
Again, he can't defend for shit.
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Nov 16, 2018 22:07:06 GMT
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Post by playslikeiniesta on Nov 16, 2018 22:07:06 GMT
I’m behind him but he hasn’t been great tactically or team selection wise so far has he...
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Nov 16, 2018 22:07:34 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2018 22:07:34 GMT
Again, he can't defend for shit. 2nd goal Ampadu has got to do more. Denmark three shots on target. I get what you’re saying. Hope he’s learning fast
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 22:11:51 GMT
I have nothing against tyler Roberts and I hope he makes it but giving him 60 odd minutes was just insane,he has done nothing at all to warrant that,and our chances seemed to be from headers which were crying out for vokes.terrible decision.
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Nov 16, 2018 22:24:19 GMT
Post by saints19 on Nov 16, 2018 22:24:19 GMT
Again, he can't defend for shit. 2nd goal Ampadu has got to do more. Denmark three shots on target. I get what you’re saying. Hope he’s learning fast Giggs sent Ampadu on as a centre-back, we had Lockyer on the bench and J Lawrence who could have played that role and probably (no offence to Ampadu who will be a top player) would have been more suited.
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 16, 2018 23:15:46 GMT
Again, he can't defend for shit. 2nd goal Ampadu has got to do more. Denmark three shots on target. I get what you’re saying. Hope he’s learning fast He's 18, you can't expect miracles at this stage against more experienced teams like Denmark. Without wanting my dislike of Hennessey to seem obvious, at what point does he take ownership of this?
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Nov 17, 2018 0:18:02 GMT
Post by joseywales37 on Nov 17, 2018 0:18:02 GMT
Giggs did make mistake starting Tyler over maybe putting Vokes in or Bale up front and Wilson where Bale was, but I could see what was attempted, just didn't work this time. Injuries didn't help and the passing sideways and back by Ash and Chester (made worse when Gunter came on) made us miss lots possible good passes forward looking for off the ball runs by Bale/Brooks etc. Hennesseys distribution been a bit naff lately too.
In all I think the formation is good and will work, unfortunately think Ash will retire soon as Ampadu immediately showed the sort of pace and positivity that we now need at the back, I think next campaign we will see Rodon, Mepham, Chester, Ampadu vying for these places.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 11:15:54 GMT
Takes most managers time to settle in. Coleman and Speed had terrible records in the first 5+ games. Giggs start not too bad but he’ll be the first to admit it’s in transition after Coleman.
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Post by iot on Nov 17, 2018 11:49:17 GMT
I don't mind Giggs making some mistakes in his first few games, it's to be expected. But what he must do is learn from them. Last night he completely failed to do that. It was clear as day from the first game that we needed an extra man in midfield - it's a no brainer, it's their biggest strength and by having one man less in there we just allowed them to control proceedings. Ramsey is fine playing deeper when he's part of a 3, I actually think he's better there than in the 10 role, but playing as one of two deep lying midfielders up against the three danes was just stupid. It completely nullified the impact he could have on the game. Also, Roberts had no impact out in Ireland so why start him against a better team who were always going to be more difficult to break down? I don't blame Roberts at all, he's just not ready yet and shouldn't have started. I firmly believe that man for man we were the better side, but lost the game before it started as a direct result of Giggs' decisions. If we'd started with an extra midfielder instead of Roberts I'm almost certain we wouldn't have lost that game and believe there's a good chance we would have won. I'm just so frustrated, what a missed opportunity!
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Nov 17, 2018 11:52:01 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 17, 2018 11:52:01 GMT
The jury's out!!
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Post by iot on Nov 17, 2018 11:56:04 GMT
Takes most managers time to settle in. Coleman and Speed had terrible records in the first 5+ games. Giggs start not too bad but he’ll be the first to admit it’s in transition after Coleman. It's almost as if Giggs just picks a fan's team, and we're seeing why managers almost never pick the side most fans would want because most managers will have a better understanding of the intricacies involved in getting results. He just tried to get all his best attacking players on the pitch without understanding how that would affect the balance - there's no point having 4 out and out forwards and another attack-minded midfielder behind them if you're not going to be able to get the ball into them in space. Starting with roberts, bale, lawrence and brooks up front and ramsey behind wasn't at all progressive, it just meant we were extremely top-heavy and couldn't get the ball to our most dangerous players in space.
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Nov 17, 2018 12:01:31 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 17, 2018 12:01:31 GMT
Takes most managers time to settle in. Coleman and Speed had terrible records in the first 5+ games. Giggs start not too bad but he’ll be the first to admit it’s in transition after Coleman. It's almost as if Giggs just picks a fan's team, and we're seeing why managers almost never pick the side most fans would want because most managers will have a better understanding of the intricacies involved in getting results. He just tried to get all his best attacking players on the pitch without understanding how that would affect the balance - there's no point having 4 out and out forwards and another attack-minded midfielder behind them if you're not going to be able to get the ball into them in space. Starting with roberts, bale, lawrence and brooks up front and ramsey behind wasn't at all progressive, it just meant we were extremely top-heavy and couldn't get the ball to our most dangerous players in space. Well summed up. Too kamikaze from the start.
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Nov 17, 2018 21:21:11 GMT
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 17, 2018 21:21:11 GMT
Proper botch job with the tactics unfortunately. I just hope he learns from it and improves in time for March.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 17, 2018 21:59:54 GMT
I was one of Giggs’ biggest critics and I can’t believe I’m about to stand up for him.
Chester had a golden opportunity to score from a header against Ireland and missed, got one for Villa and scored, got 2 for Wales and missed both. Not being harsh on him but he has to score those, he showed a few weeks ago he can. The Brooks chance was difficult to take but a chance none the less. The Bale header though should have been a goal. There’s no one in the world I’d want on the end of that more than Bale. If we’d scored them we’d be in awe of how lethal we are under Giggs.
We’ll never defend worse than we did for their first goal, the warning signs were there earlier when Roberts saved us. Their second was an amazing finish but if he had that in his locker he’d be at Real Madrid, it was a one off goal.
Can we really have a go at him over tactics and team selection when we had more shots, more on target, more possession, more corners, more of basically everything good we could have in a match but Denmark just took their chances and we didn’t? Can we blame him for playing Ramsey deeper when he played there for years for Arsenal to accommodate some of our brightest talents.
Our poorest performers yesterday have all probably got over 25 international caps. It wasn’t Tyler Roberts fault Lawrence lost the ball, Chester and Williams were out of shape with no protection from Allen and Ramsey, then Hennessey was caught in 2 minds to come for it.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 18, 2018 1:17:38 GMT
I don't mind Giggs making some mistakes in his first few games, it's to be expected. But what he must do is learn from them. Last night he completely failed to do that. It was clear as day from the first game that we needed an extra man in midfield - it's a no brainer, it's their biggest strength and by having one man less in there we just allowed them to control proceedings. Ramsey is fine playing deeper when he's part of a 3, I actually think he's better there than in the 10 role, but playing as one of two deep lying midfielders up against the three danes was just stupid. It completely nullified the impact he could have on the game. Also, Roberts had no impact out in Ireland so why start him against a better team who were always going to be more difficult to break down? I don't blame Roberts at all, he's just not ready yet and shouldn't have started. I firmly believe that man for man we were the better side, but lost the game before it started as a direct result of Giggs' decisions. If we'd started with an extra midfielder instead of Roberts I'm almost certain we wouldn't have lost that game and believe there's a good chance we would have won. I'm just so frustrated, what a missed opportunity! I take on board your views and you raise some very good points. I feel we were quite effective with our set-up prior to Dummett leaving the field. Prior to that, we'd had some good periods in possession, we'd threatened quite a bit and were unlucky to miss out after having had so many opportunities. I also think we were quite effective in clearing the ball. Perhaps you're right and it was the formation at fault. But I felt that everything changed for us when Dummett was forced off. What I do absolutely agree with you is starting Tyler Roberts against such seasoned opposition. I'm sure he'll be a great player, but I was baffled to see his inclusion from the start, especially at this early stage of his career. Furthermore, I do think Smith or Ampadu is better suited to a midfield partnership role with Allen, rather than Ramsey.
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Nov 18, 2018 23:05:58 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Nov 18, 2018 23:05:58 GMT
Are the vastly experienced coaches in his team having any sort of input in team formations/selections?
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Nov 18, 2018 23:13:01 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 18, 2018 23:13:01 GMT
Are the vastly experienced coaches in his team having any sort of input in team formations/selections? Good point what about osian input.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 20, 2018 21:35:16 GMT
Giggs is in danger of Wasting the last few years of Bale, Ramsey and Allen
With some decent youngsters coming through we should have gone with an experienced manager.
Too late now as we have him for the Euros.
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Post by alarch on Nov 20, 2018 21:45:49 GMT
Giggs is in danger of Wasting the last few years of Bale, Ramsey and Allen With some decent youngsters coming through we should have gone with an experienced manager. Too late now as we have him for the Euros. I share your concern. Could we have a Marc Wilmots on our hands? Too early to say, but if he doesn't understand after tonight that a defensive midfield combination of Ramsey and a non-match fit King is a recipe for zero control of a game - even against a team as poor as Albania - then he needs to stand aside for someone who knows what they're doing.
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Post by underwood on Nov 20, 2018 22:11:35 GMT
I’m not here to defend or be over-critical of Giggs as he is still learning. He needs to go away for the next few months & study all of his games, watch them over & over & then watch them some more. Then he may learn & we might just reap the benefit of his ‘honeymoon period’. What I don’t want to see is him sat in the stand at Salford City, making Sky programmes about his time at Old Trafford or worse still, turning up on any ITV England programmes. He needs to be putting the miles in, up & down the motorways, taking another look at all of these players he has brought in. Chris Coleman based his success on one key element that galvanised both players & fans alike - belief. Giggs needs to be very careful that he doesn’t continue to erode that element, as personally I feel it is ebbing away with each disappointing result. The hard work really starts now Ryan, it’s time to get your head down.
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Nov 20, 2018 22:11:57 GMT
Post by marsvolta on Nov 20, 2018 22:11:57 GMT
Another pile of debutants today
He must have used well over 30 players already since he took over 9 games ago.
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Nov 20, 2018 22:46:16 GMT
Post by zenith on Nov 20, 2018 22:46:16 GMT
Honest assessment.
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Nov 20, 2018 22:54:26 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Nov 20, 2018 22:54:26 GMT
Don't want someone learning his trade with the group of players we have
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Nov 21, 2018 3:59:01 GMT
Post by saints19 on Nov 21, 2018 3:59:01 GMT
Giggs is in danger of Wasting the last few years of Bale, Ramsey and Allen With some decent youngsters coming through we should have gone with an experienced manager. Too late now as we have him for the Euros. Exactly what I said at the time. I don't think he has a clue tactically and, although we were unlucky with the penalty calls tonight, I don't think we really looked like we had a plan. Albania by contrast seemed to know what their plan was, sit back, keep it tight and hit on the break. It clearly worked. I would expect to see real improvement from the defensive side of our game by the start of the campaign, if it's this bad after 3 games I'd probably be for sacking Giggs. Even if the main campaign passes us by we should still get a play off so no reason not to switch if it goes balls-up. A couple of things to reflect on tonight: 1. Scotland won 4-0 in Albania a few days ago. 2. If this had been a qualifier, we would have just lost to the 4th seeds.
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Nov 21, 2018 4:02:07 GMT
Post by saints19 on Nov 21, 2018 4:02:07 GMT
Are the vastly experienced coaches in his team having any sort of input in team formations/selections? Good point what about osian input. It is worth noting the contrast between Giggs's and Coleman's selections and formations. Coleman was much more conservative than Giggs. Roberts is the common link, so I wonder if he is being sidelined by Giggs or alternatively whether he had as much influence on the Coleman regime as was thought at the time. One of the two has to be the case.
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