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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 21, 2018 6:15:41 GMT
We looked like a team of individuals tonight with little structure or plan.
Fifth defeat in nine and this was against a team even the jocks put four past!!!!
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Nov 21, 2018 6:22:55 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 21, 2018 6:22:55 GMT
We looked like a team of individuals tonight with little structure or plan. Fifth defeat in nine and this was against a team even the jocks put four past!!!! Individuals with players not playing week in week out and at least 5 changes that would not happened if a competitive game Ward,James lawrence lockyer king.
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Nov 21, 2018 7:13:44 GMT
Post by yanto on Nov 21, 2018 7:13:44 GMT
Giggs is in danger of Wasting the last few years of Bale, Ramsey and Allen With some decent youngsters coming through we should have gone with an experienced manager. Too late now as we have him for the Euros. Exactly what I said at the time. I don't think he has a clue tactically and, although we were unlucky with the penalty calls tonight, I don't think we really looked like we had a plan. Albania by contrast seemed to know what their plan was, sit back, keep it tight and hit on the break. It clearly worked. I would expect to see real improvement from the defensive side of our game by the start of the campaign, if it's this bad after 3 games I'd probably be for sacking Giggs. Even if the main campaign passes us by we should still get a play off so no reason not to switch if it goes balls-up. A couple of things to reflect on tonight: 1. Scotland won 4-0 in Albania a few days ago. 2. If this had been a qualifier, we would have just lost to the 4th seeds. No.2 it was a fecking friendly.
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Nov 21, 2018 7:42:28 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Nov 21, 2018 7:42:28 GMT
Doesn't matter if it was a friendly or not. I demand a certain level of performance as an avid fan and losing to Albania is piss poor. As I stated a few days ago it could take at least a year for us to get going and find the formula.
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Nov 21, 2018 7:47:07 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 21, 2018 7:47:07 GMT
EMBARRASSING!!! Feel sorry for those that travelled to Albania.
First half was just about okay but wasteful, second half was crap.
I know it was only a friendly, the opposition were very poor but we were mostly incompetent.
The only positives I could see were James Lawrence who seems a good addition to the squad and the few minutes of Robbi Matondo.
If we can't beat teams like Albania (limited and dirty), then we're on the slippery slope downwards, and qualifications will be few and far between.
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Nov 21, 2018 8:34:10 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 21, 2018 8:34:10 GMT
EMBARRASSING!!! Feel sorry for those that travelled to Albania. First half was just about okay but wasteful, second half was crap. I know it was only a friendly, the opposition were very poor but we were mostly incompetent. The only positives I could see were James Lawrence who seems a good addition to the squad and the few minutes of Robbi Matondo. If we can't beat teams like Albania (limited and dirty), then we're on the slippery slope downwards, and qualifications will be few and far between. A friendly game wasted, Either put our seconds out and let them get on with it and play the bulk of the game. The substitutes unbalanced the team and bale added to help the young one in desperation after taking Allen off. Giggs got it completely wrong and he won't do it in qualifier.
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Nov 21, 2018 8:54:13 GMT
Post by georgetm1 on Nov 21, 2018 8:54:13 GMT
I'm more pissed off with the FAW yet again hiring an inexperienced manager and expecting the fans to give him a grace period until he finds his feet. Surely with an experienced manager there would be less of a wait and more of a chance of success instead of having to wait longer in the hope that he comes good later.
I don't want it to get to a point where I see watching my national team as a waste of time, money and effort for the first time in years, this is beginning to happen. I just can't see anything positive to look forward to in the upcoming qualifiers.
Also Giggs blaming the players after last nights game, well the buck stops with him and his tactics. They are only doing what he tells them to do and its totally his fault if he can't get our players playing to their maximum. It's all his fault and he needs to accept that.
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Post by mj on Nov 21, 2018 9:54:24 GMT
Southgate doing the same. think for many teams, international football has moved from a 4 year team cycle to an 8 year one, so more youngsters are getting chances now than before...I'm ok with that.
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Nov 21, 2018 9:57:14 GMT
Post by haruki on Nov 21, 2018 9:57:14 GMT
Southgate doing the same. think for many teams, international football has moved from a 4 year team cycle to an 8 year one, so more youngsters are getting chances now than before...I'm ok with that. I think due to the English academy system we are on a very similar development cycle to England. We are both finding lots of very talented players in their late teens from English academy's and starting to blood them into the first team. Quite why Scotland the two Ireland's weren't clever enough to look at this a few years ago and be benefiting from it to, god only knows!
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Nov 21, 2018 10:07:44 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 21, 2018 10:07:44 GMT
By my count he's used 36. Might have miscounted and could be 35/37, but around that figure anyway. I think it would be fair to say Giggs now has an understanding of our talent pool, and should now cultivate some consistency in the squad selection/lineup selection.
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Nov 21, 2018 10:59:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 10:59:22 GMT
I'm starting to wonder if Giggs actually likes football,by that I mean in all those years of sitting in the dressing room watching one of the most successful uk managers ever was he taking it all in,maybe wondering about different formations and ways of playing or was he just doing what he was very good at and thinking of what he was doing when training/match ended? yes I am playing devils advocate here but I am suddenly worried this is all seeming very scattergun and idea less,or is he just trying to see as many players as possible before he settles on a squad and a way of playing? .The second one i'm sure,we're in trouble if its not.
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Post by dai on Nov 21, 2018 11:20:51 GMT
Woke up this morning feeling more pissed off than last night.
Even under Toshack, the team was sent out with clearer instructions and looked far more structured and organised. Last night just felt like pure chaos, with every man for himself.
Giggs is transforming these group of players into a bunch of individuals rather than a cohesive team.
Apart from Ireland home, we were poor away in Denmark, terrible against Spain, average away in Ireland, poor at home against Denmark, and absolutely diabolical last night.
I'm not buying this bullshit of 'last night was just a friendly'. Even if it was a friendly, as least put out a team capable of winning, then bring on the subs if you're in a comfortable situation. To send on Bale and Ramsey in a desperate act to win against a piss poor Albania side is shocking.
Feeling extremely deflated about the upcoming qualifications.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 21, 2018 11:32:54 GMT
I'm more pissed off with the FAW yet again hiring an inexperienced manager and expecting the fans to give him a grace period until he finds his feet. Surely with an experienced manager there would be less of a wait and more of a chance of success instead of having to wait longer in the hope that he comes good later. I don't want it to get to a point where I see watching my national team as a waste of time, money and effort for the first time in years, this is beginning to happen. I just can't see anything positive to look forward to in the upcoming qualifiers. Also Giggs blaming the players after last nights game, well the buck stops with him and his tactics. They are only doing what he tells them to do and its totally his fault if he can't get our players playing to their maximum. It's all his fault and he needs to accept that. Agree with this I am fed up of hearing how Giggs is still learning I want someone who knows what they are doing. Fear we will miss out on the euros leaving one more chance for Bale and Co.
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Nov 21, 2018 11:46:59 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 21, 2018 11:46:59 GMT
I'm starting to wonder if Giggs actually likes football,by that I mean in all those years of sitting in the dressing room watching one of the most successful uk managers ever was he taking it all in,maybe wondering about different formations and ways of playing or was he just doing what he was very good at and thinking of what he was doing when training/match ended? yes I am playing devils advocate here but I am suddenly worried this is all seeming very scattergun and idea less,or is he just trying to see as many players as possible before he settles on a squad and a way of playing? .The second one i'm sure,we're in trouble if its not. He was probably thinking about the 'ladies' most of the time.
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Nov 21, 2018 12:23:22 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 21, 2018 12:23:22 GMT
Shocking performance, looked like most of the players didnt want to be there.
Positive- both centre backs looked decent, Danny Ward is good back up for Hennessey.
Clueless performance, hopefully we get easier opponents at the start of the qualifiers to get some momentum.
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 21, 2018 13:16:50 GMT
People saying it’s just a friendly won’t be saying the same thing when we begin sliding back down the rankings.
Coleman and his team had a plan.With giggs it looked like he picked 11 blokes from random teams that had never met each other before. Plus what the game plan was only he knows.
I bet Albania couldn’t believe their luck.
Embarrassing defeat to already go alongside the Spain and 2 x Denmark games he needs to quickly learn his trade cos he won’t be in the job much longer with many more shambolic performance like that.
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Nov 21, 2018 13:24:27 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 21, 2018 13:24:27 GMT
Can you remember colmans start? Can you remember Andorra away? Loads wanted him gone then.
No one arguing it was a shit game, but giggs is changing way we play bringing in young blood. He got it wrong with big changes but most fans would have picked the players who started
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Post by cymro on Nov 21, 2018 13:51:18 GMT
Can you remember colmans start? Can you remember Andorra away? Loads wanted him gone then. No one arguing it was a shit game, but giggs is changing way we play bringing in young blood. He got it wrong with big changes but most fans would have picked the players who started I think the trouble is we won't find out about Giggs until the qualifiers, by which point it will be too late to do anything about if he cocks up. At least if we'd gone with someone with experience and failed, we could say we had reason to have faith in that manager. I'm happy to reserve judgement on giggs until the qualifiers but I see people's point.
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Nov 21, 2018 14:59:06 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Nov 21, 2018 14:59:06 GMT
I think there’s more positives than negatives to Giggs start. Biggest positive for me is the youth aspect. He has had a look what we got. Connor Roberts being the pick of the bunch. The next positive is two competitive victories against ROI.
Biggest negative is that he’s not listening to Osian Roberts. Crazy that. Hope he changes that
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Post by welshiron on Nov 21, 2018 16:16:23 GMT
I think there’s more positives than negatives to Giggs start. Biggest positive for me is the youth aspect. He has had a look what we got. Connor Roberts being the pick of the bunch. The next positive is two competitive victories against ROI. Biggest negative is that he’s not listening to Osian Roberts. Crazy that. Hope he changes that The youth coming through has nothing to do with Giggs
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Nov 21, 2018 16:16:24 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 21, 2018 16:16:24 GMT
Can you remember colmans start? Can you remember Andorra away? Loads wanted him gone then. No one arguing it was a shit game, but giggs is changing way we play bringing in young blood. He got it wrong with big changes but most fans would have picked the players who started Get your point welshram, but at least we won in Andorra. The worst of Coleman for me were the two Serbia games, one hiding away and the home game was a disgrace.
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Nov 21, 2018 16:19:49 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Nov 21, 2018 16:19:49 GMT
I think there’s more positives than negatives to Giggs start. Biggest positive for me is the youth aspect. He has had a look what we got. Connor Roberts being the pick of the bunch. The next positive is two competitive victories against ROI. Biggest negative is that he’s not listening to Osian Roberts. Crazy that. Hope he changes that The youth coming through has nothing to do with Giggs But other managers might not have played them. Giggs selection in ROI surprised a lot of people
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Nov 21, 2018 17:46:18 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 21, 2018 17:46:18 GMT
Can you remember colmans start? Can you remember Andorra away? Loads wanted him gone then. No one arguing it was a shit game, but giggs is changing way we play bringing in young blood. He got it wrong with big changes but most fans would have picked the players who started Get your point welshram, but at least we won in Andorra. The worst of Coleman for me were the two Serbia games, one hiding away and the home game was a disgrace. There is no doubt RG has made errors in my opinion but he has brought in new blood and give them game time all ready for the euro qualifiers. Time will tell. He needs to get us qualified with the talent he has in front of him. I think it's as simple as that. I'm 100% behind him but not as confident as I was after Irish games.
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Nov 21, 2018 18:57:34 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Nov 21, 2018 18:57:34 GMT
Ryan get on the phone with Alex for some advice please.
PS Wales seniors coaching staff please start getting your views across t Ryan.
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Post by yanto on Nov 21, 2018 19:02:38 GMT
Somebody link to a thread when Cookie started ffs. Too many putting the anal into analysis on here.😊
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 21, 2018 19:36:14 GMT
Get your point welshram, but at least we won in Andorra. The worst of Coleman for me were the two Serbia games, one hiding away and the home game was a disgrace. There is no doubt RG has made errors in my opinion but he has brought in new blood and give them game time all ready for the euro qualifiers. Time will tell. He needs to get us qualified with the talent he has in front of him. I think it's as simple as that. I'm 100% behind him but not as confident as I was after Irish games. I'm with you, not at all confident now of qualifying for Euro2020 but 100% behind the team going into the next group of games.
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Nov 21, 2018 19:37:32 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 21, 2018 19:37:32 GMT
Somebody link to a thread when Cookie started ffs. Too many putting the anal into analysis on here.😊 What exactly would that achieve? Most wanted him gone when he went to Sunderland. It’s not like people are saying he’s the messiah, he had a lot of faults and a lot of critics, except for the Euros when quite rightly he shouldn’t have been because he was doing a good job. If Giggs was doing a good job the pressure would be off him. I was on the anyone but Giggs bandwagon, he won me over with recent performances and his vision for Welsh football but that all went up in flames against Albania.
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Post by georgetm1 on Nov 21, 2018 19:44:06 GMT
Should we have to wait 1-2 years for every new Wales manager to bed in? We have the players to do great things now and we should be able to start a new regime running like most other countries do. Giving a manager time to bed in tells me the FAW have made the wrong choice.
Is this how its going to continue from now on? We get in a new manager and pray to god that he eventually comes good isn't a great way for a successful national team to operate.
I desperately want Giggs to be a success for us, but I have had enough of excuses for bad results. We have the best team in living memory so we needed an experienced head to get his message across right from the start.
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Nov 21, 2018 19:50:06 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 21, 2018 19:50:06 GMT
I'm a bit worried about the qualifiers tbh. It wasn't until the Andorra game that Cookie played 3-5-2 or whatever you want to call it, so maybe Giggs will come up with a good plan for the new campaign.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 21, 2018 19:53:42 GMT
I'm a bit worried about the qualifiers tbh. It wasn't until the Andorra game that Cookie played 3-5-2 or whatever you want to call it, so maybe Giggs will come up with a good plan for the new campaign. Hope you're right, but not holding my breath.
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