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Nov 21, 2018 19:53:52 GMT
Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 21, 2018 19:53:52 GMT
you can use friendlies to find the "best " formation or team ect to prepare for the next meaningful fixtures, Euro 2020 .Consistency and getting results in any game breeds confidence.Is Giggs any wiser after this game. With the Euros round the corner he should know his best team by now !!!!
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Giggs
Nov 21, 2018 20:29:22 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 21, 2018 20:29:22 GMT
It's all RG master plan try this way bed new and storm the qualifiers...
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Giggs
Nov 21, 2018 20:57:28 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 21, 2018 20:57:28 GMT
We could still do with HRK up front.
Tyler Roberts, Sam Vokes, Bale, Lawrence...
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Post by alarch on Nov 21, 2018 21:22:03 GMT
It's not as if Giggs has to look that hard to find a good setup - he had it in the opening fixture. 4-2-3-1, with two proper defensive mids (i.e Allen and Ampadu/Smith), Ramsey in the number 10 position, Bale up front, Brooks and Lawrence/Woodburn (whoever's playing best in 4 months time) out wide. Simples.
Whatever formation we play I'd like to see us play in four banks e.g. 4-2-3-1 or 3-4-2-1 with two defensive lines behind Ramsey and Bale. The first Denmark game onwards has proven time and again that they're not not very good at the defensive stuff - and we need them to focus on the stuff they're very good at, and just chip in with some closing down to ease the burden further back.
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Giggs
Nov 21, 2018 22:27:23 GMT
Post by biwmares on Nov 21, 2018 22:27:23 GMT
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 3:50:55 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 22, 2018 3:50:55 GMT
Thanks man Wow,36 already in 9 games 16 players given their debut
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 22, 2018 8:34:39 GMT
Thanks man Wow,36 already in 9 games 16 players given their debut Yet he doesn’t seem to know how to use many of them or the established players. Worrying.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 22, 2018 8:38:47 GMT
Might be because he doesn't watch them play much.
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 8:42:04 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Nov 22, 2018 8:42:04 GMT
We could still do with HRK up front. Tyler Roberts, Sam Vokes, Bale, Lawrence... We could have tried Christian Doidge in a friendly seeing as we're expanding our pool.
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 12:31:49 GMT
Post by cadno on Nov 22, 2018 12:31:49 GMT
He's had a look at formations, players, tactics... now he needs to put a good plan together to secure qualification.
It will be a shame if we fail to qualify under the current format and with the pool of players we have.
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Post by iot on Nov 22, 2018 13:10:49 GMT
That's a decent article, but I think the narrative is slightly off the mark. Much of it compares Giggs' Wales with Coleman with the narrative being the former is far more attacking and the latter more defensive. The mistake they're making is that overloading the team with attackers isn't going to make us more effective up front as it just means players get in each other's way, and we don't have enough in the middle to control and create. That's what Giggs seems to be missing and for some reason it isn't registering despite it being patently obvious! The stat Iwan Roberts writes is so revealing - apart from the ten goals scored in two games against Ireland and China, we've only scored 3 in the other 7! Again, overloading the attack isn't progressive and won't make us more effective up front, we need balance.
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Post by iot on Nov 22, 2018 13:13:22 GMT
He's had a look at formations, players, tactics... now he needs to put a good plan together to secure qualification. It will be a shame if we fail to qualify under the current format and with the pool of players we have. He had a look at formations, players, tactics against denmark away and despite the issues being abundantly obvious, he made the same mistakes with formations, players, tactics against them at home, and then made exactly the same mistakes with formations, players, tactics against Albania a few days later. He's made the same mistakes in 3 of the last 4 games. What makes you think he won't make them again in the qualifiers? He doesn't seem to get it.
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 13:31:48 GMT
Post by cadno on Nov 22, 2018 13:31:48 GMT
He's had a look at formations, players, tactics... now he needs to put a good plan together to secure qualification. It will be a shame if we fail to qualify under the current format and with the pool of players we have. He had a look at formations, players, tactics against denmark away and despite the issues being abundantly obvious, he made the same mistakes with formations, players, tactics against them at home, and then made exactly the same mistakes with formations, players, tactics against Albania a few days later. He's made the same mistakes in 3 of the last 4 games. What makes you think he won't make them again in the qualifiers? He doesn't seem to get it. I agree with you. I don't like what he's doing, I'm just hoping he turns it around.
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 13:46:39 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Nov 22, 2018 13:46:39 GMT
The more I think about it the more I want him gone
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Post by haruki on Nov 22, 2018 14:27:49 GMT
It's not as if Giggs has to look that hard to find a good setup - he had it in the opening fixture. 4-2-3-1, with two proper defensive mids (i.e Allen and Ampadu/Smith), Ramsey in the number 10 position, Bale up front, Brooks and Lawrence/Woodburn (whoever's playing best in 4 months time) out wide. Simples. Whatever formation we play I'd like to see us play in four banks e.g. 4-2-3-1 or 3-4-2-1 with two defensive lines behind Ramsey and Bale. The first Denmark game onwards has proven time and again that they're not not very good at the defensive stuff - and we need them to focus on the stuff they're very good at, and just chip in with some closing down to ease the burden further back. In the last two games i thought he fell guilty or trying to shoehorn too many of our attacking talents into the team. It must be difficult as he wants to develop all of our young attackers and wants to get our best players on the pitch but Ramsey in a DCM position is not the answer. We need Allen with either Ampadu or Smith. It kind of reminds me of when i first watched Wales and we had Rush, Hughes and Saunders, we couldn't justify benching one of them due to them being our top players so tried Saunders on the wing or Sparky in midfield
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 14:30:58 GMT
Post by haruki on Nov 22, 2018 14:30:58 GMT
Thanks man Wow,36 already in 9 games 16 players given their debut This could be a very clever bit of forward planning. We all knew there had to be changes in the squad, to faze out some of the older players and bring through the youngsters. If RG has looked at the start of his tenure being friendlies and the Nations league and sacrificed those results to understand his pool of players and possible formations etc to get a clear plan for the Euro qualifier then i can live with that
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Post by haruki on Nov 22, 2018 14:34:06 GMT
For what it's worth I hope he goes with a 4-2-3-1
Hennessey Roberts - Chester - Ash - Davies Allen - Ampadu Brooks - Ramsey - Wilson Bale
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 14:38:49 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Nov 22, 2018 14:38:49 GMT
Would be happy in that
Mepham pushing both for a start so would depend on current form
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 15:10:48 GMT
Post by fiveattheback on Nov 22, 2018 15:10:48 GMT
The most frustrating things is he found the formula in the home game against Ireland, 4-2-3-1 with Ramsey at no.10 with Bale inerchanging with the wingers and for some reason he appears to have abandoned it
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 16:00:46 GMT
Post by oscardelta on Nov 22, 2018 16:00:46 GMT
Cookie won 5 of 1st 18 games, Giggsy has won 3 of 1st 9........................ what would have been view on Cookie then.
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 16:10:58 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 22, 2018 16:10:58 GMT
Cookie won 5 of 1st 18 games, Giggsy has won 3 of 1st 9........................ what would have been view on Cookie then. Can see your point, but Coleman took over after Gary Speed in a very unfortunate and difficult situation. Speed's death was sudden and obviously affected the players for a long time. Giggs has taken over when we were just 3 points away from at least WC2018 playoffs, having just got to the semi-finals of the Euros. Also we have on paper arguably the most talented squad we've ever had and lose to Albania.
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 16:16:11 GMT
Post by oscardelta on Nov 22, 2018 16:16:11 GMT
Cookie won 5 of 1st 18 games, Giggsy has won 3 of 1st 9........................ what would have been view on Cookie then. Can see your point, but Coleman took over after Gary Speed in a very unfortunate and difficult situation. Speed's death was sudden and obviously affected the players for a long time. Giggs has taken over when we were just 3 points away from at least WC2018 playoffs, having just got to the semi-finals of the Euros. Also we have on paper arguably the most talented squad we've ever had and lose to Albania. Lets be honest you were crap in a qualifying group that post 2016 form you should have won easily......... it was a huge dip after 2016 performance.
Giggs has to start again and it will take time.
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 16:20:14 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 22, 2018 16:20:14 GMT
Can see your point, but Coleman took over after Gary Speed in a very unfortunate and difficult situation. Speed's death was sudden and obviously affected the players for a long time. Giggs has taken over when we were just 3 points away from at least WC2018 playoffs, having just got to the semi-finals of the Euros. Also we have on paper arguably the most talented squad we've ever had and lose to Albania. Lets be honest you were crap in a qualifying group that post 2016 form you should have won easily......... it was a huge dip after 2016 performance.
Giggs has to start again and it will take time.
Not too long I hope.
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 16:21:58 GMT
Post by oscardelta on Nov 22, 2018 16:21:58 GMT
Lets be honest you were crap in a qualifying group that post 2016 form you should have won easily......... it was a huge dip after 2016 performance.
Giggs has to start again and it will take time.
Not too long I hope. Happy to cheer you guys on long as we not meeting,
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 16:24:25 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Nov 22, 2018 16:24:25 GMT
We've got eight or ten qualifying games in the space of 9 months. If Giggs doesn't get it right by March, we could see this talented bunch miss out on another tournament.
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Nov 22, 2018 17:21:22 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 22, 2018 17:21:22 GMT
We could still do with HRK up front. Tyler Roberts, Sam Vokes, Bale, Lawrence... Doidge Church Steve Evans
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 22, 2018 17:34:17 GMT
Gabbs isn't pulling punches in the latest EJFOF
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 19:14:28 GMT
Post by pendragon on Nov 22, 2018 19:14:28 GMT
The 4-2-3-1 is indeed the winning formula. I hope that he has just been experimenting with other techniques before reaching the same conclusion as the rest of us!
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Giggs
Nov 22, 2018 22:12:53 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 22, 2018 22:12:53 GMT
I'm surprised by how many are forgetting Joe Ledley,he does a lot of hard work that goes unnoticed. Underrated player.
As long as he's fit he should start alongside Allen in most games for me.
Ampadu and Smith are good back up, and we have King, Huws and Evans who can also do a job there.
I think Ramsey-Allen-Ledley should be our first choice midfield 3 against better opposition. If we want to press then I can see the argument for starting with Ampadu or Smith.
Hennessey Roberts Chester Williams Davies Allen Ledley Brooks Ramsey Lawrence Bale
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 22, 2018 22:15:32 GMT
I'm surprised by how many are forgetting Joe Ledley,he does a lot of hard work that goes unnoticed. Underrated player. As long as he's fit he should start alongside Allen in most games for me. Ampadu and Smith are good back up, and we have King, Huws and Evans who can also do a job there. I think Ramsey-Allen-Ledley should be our first choice midfield 3 against better opposition. If we want to press then I can see the argument for starting with Ampadu or Smith. Hennessey Roberts Chester Williams Davies Allen Ledley Brooks Ramsey Lawrence Bale Could Ledley still go at a top level? I’d have him in the team if he’s still got legs on him. Strange he doesn’t seem near the squad at the minute.
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