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Nov 22, 2018 22:25:25 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 22, 2018 22:25:25 GMT
I'm surprised by how many are forgetting Joe Ledley,he does a lot of hard work that goes unnoticed. Underrated player. As long as he's fit he should start alongside Allen in most games for me. Ampadu and Smith are good back up, and we have King, Huws and Evans who can also do a job there. I think Ramsey-Allen-Ledley should be our first choice midfield 3 against better opposition. If we want to press then I can see the argument for starting with Ampadu or Smith. Hennessey Roberts Chester Williams Davies Allen Ledley Brooks Ramsey Lawrence Bale Could Ledley still go at a top level? I’d have him in the team if he’s still got legs on him. Strange he doesn’t seem near the squad at the minute. He recently had an op, and he's back training in January, giving him enough time to hopefully get games under his belt before March. Also, all of a sudden we have a lot of options at centre-half. I have a really good feeling about Lawrence. This gives us the option of playing with a solid back 3 and allowing Roberts and Davies to attack. Chester-Ash-Lawrence Or Rodon-Chester-Mepham Without mentioning Lockyer who looks tidy, and Ampadu can play there. Something like this could cause teams a lot of problems: Hennessey Chester Mepham Lawrence Roberts Allen Ampadu Davies Ramsey Brooks Bale But that's a very inexperienced side!
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Post by alarch on Nov 22, 2018 23:32:35 GMT
I agree that we certainly shouldn't discount Ledley as an option - although that does depend on whether or not he still has the legs for the job. There's a lot to be said for having an unsung hero who's given a very restricted role to anchor the midfield and hardly deviate from a position in front of the back four - a role played to a tee by Ledley. Schone does a similar job for Denmark - which goes some way towards explaining their excellent defensive record. I suspect that Giggs will want more adventure from his defensive mids - which is fine if the pair work intelligently together - with one dropping back when the other advances. This was noticeably absent with the Allen-Ramsey and Ramsey-King partnerships in the last couple of matches - with match-determining adverse outcomes when both have advanced together.
If we were to revert to the box formation the possibility of playing Ramsey and Brooks together as twin 10s behind Bale up front is mouthwatering. Shame we haven't got any more friendlies to trial it in advance of the Euro qualifiers. Lawrence drops out of the starting 11 in this scenario - which might not be such a bad thing.
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Post by alarch on Nov 22, 2018 23:49:24 GMT
I'm hopeful that on reflection Giggs will see sense, and shore up the defensive side of things. It's not as if he has to completely renounce everything he's done to date - he just has to revert to the selection and tactical approach of the Ireland game at home. That was probably the best home performance in a qualifier about ever, of which Giggs can feel proud. It's interesting to see the average team position in that game: www.whoscored.com/Matches/1266313/MatchReport/International-UEFA-Nations-League-B-2018-2019-Wales-IrelandWe were practically playing a 4-2-1-3, with Lawrence and Brooks very close to Bale in the forward line, and Ramsey close behind. Allen was slightly ahead of Ampadu, who anchored the midfield - but that didn't stop the latter winning the ball inside the ROI half and assisting Ramsey's goal. That game was the perfect example of a bold adventurous approach grounded in a solid formation with round pegs in round holes.
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Nov 23, 2018 3:03:30 GMT
Post by saints19 on Nov 23, 2018 3:03:30 GMT
I have just been on the Irish forums too, and apparently Sam Allardyce is seriously under consideration and cited by Sky as being interested. A manager with vast experience in the PL, a proven track record of getting the best out of average players, a proven defensive track record. Add his name to the other names, McCarthy who has done pretty well in the Championship/lower PL with several clubs and had a previous good spell with Ireland, and Kenny who achieved a miracle in European club competition with Dundalk. Neil Lennon is also a name being banded about, perhaps not the most impressive CV, but at least he's managed at a decent level and held down some jobs before.
How is it that, with all due respect, Ireland who have (on paper) at least a slightly inferior squad to us, look to have a shortlist of at least three decent candidates, whilst we had Giggs, Bellamy, Roberts (perhaps the only one with a claim to be somewhat qualified) and Mark Bowen? Two rookie ex-players, a reasonably-rated No.2, and a studio pundit. How the f*ck have the FAW managed to do such a slapstick job of appointments over the years? Is it unwillingness to pay enough?
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Nov 23, 2018 3:12:33 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 23, 2018 3:12:33 GMT
I'm surprised by how many are forgetting Joe Ledley,he does a lot of hard work that goes unnoticed. Underrated player. As long as he's fit he should start alongside Allen in most games for me. Ampadu and Smith are good back up, and we have King, Huws and Evans who can also do a job there. I think Ramsey-Allen-Ledley should be our first choice midfield 3 against better opposition. If we want to press then I can see the argument for starting with Ampadu or Smith. Hennessey Roberts Chester Williams Davies Allen Ledley Brooks Ramsey Lawrence Bale Could Ledley still go at a top level? I’d have him in the team if he’s still got legs on him. Strange he doesn’t seem near the squad at the minute. Just back from injury and wont be surprised if he not gone from derby in January. He we down the pecking order. I would say for him he be better leaving
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Nov 23, 2018 6:14:55 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 23, 2018 6:14:55 GMT
I have just been on the Irish forums too, and apparently Sam Allardyce is seriously under consideration and cited by Sky as being interested. A manager with vast experience in the PL, a proven track record of getting the best out of average players, a proven defensive track record. Add his name to the other names, McCarthy who has done pretty well in the Championship/lower PL with several clubs and had a previous good spell with Ireland, and Kenny who achieved a miracle in European club competition with Dundalk. Neil Lennon is also a name being banded about, perhaps not the most impressive CV, but at least he's managed at a decent level and held down some jobs before. How is it that, with all due respect, Ireland who have (on paper) at least a slightly inferior squad to us, look to have a shortlist of at least three decent candidates, whilst we had Giggs, Bellamy, Roberts (perhaps the only one with a claim to be somewhat qualified) and Mark Bowen? Two rookie ex-players, a reasonably-rated No.2, and a studio pundit. How the f*ck have the FAW managed to do such a slapstick job of appointments over the years? Is it unwillingness to pay enough? Irish poster above believes he was on €2 million a year. We were offering what £250k?!
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Nov 23, 2018 8:50:38 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 23, 2018 8:50:38 GMT
I agree that we certainly shouldn't discount Ledley as an option - although that does depend on whether or not he still has the legs for the job. There's a lot to be said for having an unsung hero who's given a very restricted role to anchor the midfield and hardly deviate from a position in front of the back four - a role played to a tee by Ledley. Schone does a similar job for Denmark - which goes some way towards explaining their excellent defensive record. I suspect that Giggs will want more adventure from his defensive mids - which is fine if the pair work intelligently together - with one dropping back when the other advances. This was noticeably absent with the Allen-Ramsey and Ramsey-King partnerships in the last couple of matches - with match-determining adverse outcomes when both have advanced together. If we were to revert to the box formation the possibility of playing Ramsey and Brooks together as twin 10s behind Bale up front is mouthwatering. Shame we haven't got any more friendlies to trial it in advance of the Euro qualifiers. Lawrence drops out of the starting 11 in this scenario - which might not be such a bad thing. Apart from the Ireland home game under Giggs, our most exciting front 3 in recent times was Ramsey-Bale-Joniesta rotating. We need to keep this, with the options of Brooks/Lawrence/Wilson/Woodburn/Joniesta to partner Ramsey and Bale. HRK was a different option, he made space for Bale to drop into 10 with Ramsey, Tyler Roberts is now the most obvious option to play in Robson-Kanu's role.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 23, 2018 9:49:54 GMT
Ampadu and Smith are good back up, and we have King, Huws and Evans who can also do a job there. Evans??? Giggs hasn't called him up once this Autumn so I can't see him featuring next year. Albania would have been the perfect time to test Evans alongside Allen but Giggs preferred Anonymous Andy then shoe-horned Ramsey into that position, nullifying his threat. Again.
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Nov 23, 2018 11:53:42 GMT
Post by oscardelta on Nov 23, 2018 11:53:42 GMT
I have just been on the Irish forums too, and apparently Sam Allardyce is seriously under consideration and cited by Sky as being interested. A manager with vast experience in the PL, a proven track record of getting the best out of average players, a proven defensive track record. Add his name to the other names, McCarthy who has done pretty well in the Championship/lower PL with several clubs and had a previous good spell with Ireland, and Kenny who achieved a miracle in European club competition with Dundalk. Neil Lennon is also a name being banded about, perhaps not the most impressive CV, but at least he's managed at a decent level and held down some jobs before. How is it that, with all due respect, Ireland who have (on paper) at least a slightly inferior squad to us, look to have a shortlist of at least three decent candidates, whilst we had Giggs, Bellamy, Roberts (perhaps the only one with a claim to be somewhat qualified) and Mark Bowen? Two rookie ex-players, a reasonably-rated No.2, and a studio pundit. How the f*ck have the FAW managed to do such a slapstick job of appointments over the years? Is it unwillingness to pay enough? Irish poster above believes he was on €2 million a year. We were offering what £250k?! This is because to get Trap on board, Denis O'Brien (google him as he is "colourful") paid half his Salary and continued to do so for MON up to a year ago. Reckon was €15 million he paid over circa 10 years.
ROI attract between 40-50,000 a home game and as you all know prices are not "Cheap" hence there is a little bit more to play with. Additionally sponsorship helps.
Course the downside is they owe €30 plus million still on Aviva rebuild but that likely paid off by 2020 or so.
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Nov 23, 2018 12:26:43 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Nov 23, 2018 12:26:43 GMT
I agree that we certainly shouldn't discount Ledley as an option - although that does depend on whether or not he still has the legs for the job. There's a lot to be said for having an unsung hero who's given a very restricted role to anchor the midfield and hardly deviate from a position in front of the back four - a role played to a tee by Ledley. Schone does a similar job for Denmark - which goes some way towards explaining their excellent defensive record. I suspect that Giggs will want more adventure from his defensive mids - which is fine if the pair work intelligently together - with one dropping back when the other advances. This was noticeably absent with the Allen-Ramsey and Ramsey-King partnerships in the last couple of matches - with match-determining adverse outcomes when both have advanced together. If we were to revert to the box formation the possibility of playing Ramsey and Brooks together as twin 10s behind Bale up front is mouthwatering. Shame we haven't got any more friendlies to trial it in advance of the Euro qualifiers. Lawrence drops out of the starting 11 in this scenario - which might not be such a bad thing. Apart from the Ireland home game under Giggs, our most exciting front 3 in recent times was Ramsey-Bale-Joniesta rotating. We need to keep this, with the options of Brooks/Lawrence/Wilson/Woodburn/Joniesta to partner Ramsey and Bale. HRK was a different option, he made space for Bale to drop into 10 with Ramsey, Tyler Roberts is now the most obvious option to play in Robson-Kanu's role. Joniesta. Think that ship has sailed I'm afraid
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Post by cadno on Nov 23, 2018 14:37:22 GMT
Apart from the Ireland home game under Giggs, our most exciting front 3 in recent times was Ramsey-Bale-Joniesta rotating. We need to keep this, with the options of Brooks/Lawrence/Wilson/Woodburn/Joniesta to partner Ramsey and Bale. HRK was a different option, he made space for Bale to drop into 10 with Ramsey, Tyler Roberts is now the most obvious option to play in Robson-Kanu's role. Joniesta. Think that ship has sailed I'm afraid Disagree mate. He's done more for Wales than a lot of other players coming through. A must have if he is fit and playing football.
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Nov 23, 2018 14:38:22 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 23, 2018 14:38:22 GMT
Ampadu and Smith are good back up, and we have King, Huws and Evans who can also do a job there. Evans??? Giggs hasn't called him up once this Autumn so I can't see him featuring next year. Albania would have been the perfect time to test Evans alongside Allen but Giggs preferred Anonymous Andy then shoe-horned Ramsey into that position, nullifying his threat. Again. I agree, it's a bit odd that Evans keeps being ignored, it's not like we have tons of other options in cm.
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Nov 24, 2018 0:42:31 GMT
Post by saints19 on Nov 24, 2018 0:42:31 GMT
I have just been on the Irish forums too, and apparently Sam Allardyce is seriously under consideration and cited by Sky as being interested. A manager with vast experience in the PL, a proven track record of getting the best out of average players, a proven defensive track record. Add his name to the other names, McCarthy who has done pretty well in the Championship/lower PL with several clubs and had a previous good spell with Ireland, and Kenny who achieved a miracle in European club competition with Dundalk. Neil Lennon is also a name being banded about, perhaps not the most impressive CV, but at least he's managed at a decent level and held down some jobs before. How is it that, with all due respect, Ireland who have (on paper) at least a slightly inferior squad to us, look to have a shortlist of at least three decent candidates, whilst we had Giggs, Bellamy, Roberts (perhaps the only one with a claim to be somewhat qualified) and Mark Bowen? Two rookie ex-players, a reasonably-rated No.2, and a studio pundit. How the f*ck have the FAW managed to do such a slapstick job of appointments over the years? Is it unwillingness to pay enough? Irish poster above believes he was on €2 million a year. We were offering what £250k?! It makes you question the wages we offer. Based purely off our Nations League participation fee we could have afforded considerably more than what we are paying. Possibly not the equivalent of €2m, but certainly closer to £1m. Get a decent experienced manager like Pulis in. Invest in proven quality rather than taking a punt on a cheap option. The FAW have not made a decent appointment in years.
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Post by saints19 on Nov 24, 2018 0:49:05 GMT
I'm hopeful that on reflection Giggs will see sense, and shore up the defensive side of things. It's not as if he has to completely renounce everything he's done to date - he just has to revert to the selection and tactical approach of the Ireland game at home. That was probably the best home performance in a qualifier about ever, of which Giggs can feel proud. It's interesting to see the average team position in that game: www.whoscored.com/Matches/1266313/MatchReport/International-UEFA-Nations-League-B-2018-2019-Wales-IrelandWe were practically playing a 4-2-1-3, with Lawrence and Brooks very close to Bale in the forward line, and Ramsey close behind. Allen was slightly ahead of Ampadu, who anchored the midfield - but that didn't stop the latter winning the ball inside the ROI half and assisting Ramsey's goal. That game was the perfect example of a bold adventurous approach grounded in a solid formation with round pegs in round holes. Completely agree with this. I re-watched the Albania game last night having been in the pub the night of the game and only half-watching. The performance was actually decent enough until the Albanians took the lead. We should have been out of sight by then with Vokes missing three glorious chances and Brooks also missing a header in the first half. Then after we conceded, Giggs brought off Allen and James and brought on Ramsey into Allen's anchoring role and Woodburn into James's attacking midfield role. This was, in my view, the point at which things went downhill. Ramsey spent most of his time coming way too deep to get the ball or else being too far up the pitch, and Woodburn simply didn't cover the ground that James had and spent a lot of time out wide. Our shape quickly went to pot and Albania found acres of space in midfield on the break. I'm honestly not sure what the plan was at that point. For me, the most important thing is to have balance in the team, so two deep-lying midfielders in Allen/Ampadu/King. Play Ramsey in the #10 role, Bale up front and Lawrence/Wilson/Brooks on the wings. That's probably the most balanced line-up we have.
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Nov 24, 2018 9:50:17 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 24, 2018 9:50:17 GMT
I'm hopeful that on reflection Giggs will see sense, and shore up the defensive side of things. It's not as if he has to completely renounce everything he's done to date - he just has to revert to the selection and tactical approach of the Ireland game at home. That was probably the best home performance in a qualifier about ever, of which Giggs can feel proud. It's interesting to see the average team position in that game: www.whoscored.com/Matches/1266313/MatchReport/International-UEFA-Nations-League-B-2018-2019-Wales-IrelandWe were practically playing a 4-2-1-3, with Lawrence and Brooks very close to Bale in the forward line, and Ramsey close behind. Allen was slightly ahead of Ampadu, who anchored the midfield - but that didn't stop the latter winning the ball inside the ROI half and assisting Ramsey's goal. That game was the perfect example of a bold adventurous approach grounded in a solid formation with round pegs in round holes. Completely agree with this. I re-watched the Albania game last night having been in the pub the night of the game and only half-watching. The performance was actually decent enough until the Albanians took the lead. We should have been out of sight by then with Vokes missing three glorious chances and Brooks also missing a header in the first half. Then after we conceded, Giggs brought off Allen and James and brought on Ramsey into Allen's anchoring role and Woodburn into James's attacking midfield role. This was, in my view, the point at which things went downhill. Ramsey spent most of his time coming way too deep to get the ball or else being too far up the pitch, and Woodburn simply didn't cover the ground that James had and spent a lot of time out wide. Our shape quickly went to pot and Albania found acres of space in midfield on the break. I'm honestly not sure what the plan was at that point. For me, the most important thing is to have balance in the team, so two deep-lying midfielders in Allen/Ampadu/King. Play Ramsey in the #10 role, Bale up front and Lawrence/Wilson/Brooks on the wings. That's probably the most balanced line-up we have. Good post. It's important that we get our winning mentality back. I've got everything crossed that we don't kick off our qualifiers against one of the top teams. I can't wait for the draw now.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 24, 2018 11:08:46 GMT
I’m not here to defend or be over-critical of Giggs as he is still learning. He needs to go away for the next few months & study all of his games, watch them over & over & then watch them some more. Then he may learn & we might just reap the benefit of his ‘honeymoon period’. What I don’t want to see is him sat in the stand at Salford City, making Sky programmes about his time at Old Trafford or worse still, turning up on any ITV England programmes. He needs to be putting the miles in, up & down the motorways, taking another look at all of these players he has brought in. Chris Coleman based his success on one key element that galvanised both players & fans alike - belief. Giggs needs to be very careful that he doesn’t continue to erode that element, as personally I feel it is ebbing away with each disappointing result. The hard work really starts now Ryan, it’s time to get your head down. Couldn't agree with this post more as to what he should do now, but shouldn't have the hard work really have started when he was first appointed? He didn't get out and about in Wales as soon as he was appointed. We know that he hasn't even been to Swansea to watch one of the best uncapped talents that we have. He was tactically naive against Denmark, but he had more chances to watch a potential opponent (during the World Cup) that any Manager ever will. Isn't it a case that he has already left it too late to come up with a workable system? If he had one in mind, the time to test it was against Albania. Our next game is potentially Serbia away. That is no time to implementing new plans.
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Nov 24, 2018 11:18:56 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Nov 24, 2018 11:18:56 GMT
Irish poster above believes he was on €2 million a year. We were offering what £250k?! It makes you question the wages we offer. Based purely off our Nations League participation fee we could have afforded considerably more than what we are paying. Possibly not the equivalent of €2m, but certainly closer to £1m. Get a decent experienced manager like Pulis in. Invest in proven quality rather than taking a punt on a cheap option. The FAW have not made a decent appointment in years. As others have mentioned, the Irish managers wages are subsidised by a wealthy businessman. Giggs was far from the cheap option. If reports are to be believed, Cookie was being offered circa £400k pa and at that time, was the most that they ever paid a manager. They are paying Giggs even more than that (at least £500k pa), although they were expecting to claw some of that back through increased sponsorship, media deals etc. The reality is that the amount of money that the FAW can afford to pay, doesn't get an experienced quality manager - unless they are prepared to drop their wages for emotional reasons. So the type of Manager that we can afford is usually one with an average track record or one with limited experience.
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 25, 2018 2:12:33 GMT
youtu.be/1V4CEeLtvBABellamy on the future of Welsh football I still think he should have got the job, he just gets it
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Post by saints19 on Nov 25, 2018 2:18:47 GMT
It makes you question the wages we offer. Based purely off our Nations League participation fee we could have afforded considerably more than what we are paying. Possibly not the equivalent of €2m, but certainly closer to £1m. Get a decent experienced manager like Pulis in. Invest in proven quality rather than taking a punt on a cheap option. The FAW have not made a decent appointment in years. As others have mentioned, the Irish managers wages are subsidised by a wealthy businessman. Giggs was far from the cheap option. If reports are to be believed, Cookie was being offered circa £400k pa and at that time, was the most that they ever paid a manager. They are paying Giggs even more than that (at least £500k pa), although they were expecting to claw some of that back through increased sponsorship, media deals etc. The reality is that the amount of money that the FAW can afford to pay, doesn't get an experienced quality manager - unless they are prepared to drop their wages for emotional reasons. So the type of Manager that we can afford is usually one with an average track record or one with limited experience. O'Brien is not subsidising the wages anymore, and yet they've still brought in McCarthy, an experienced manager at Championship and international level, for a salary that I read was rumoured to be around 1.2m euros. That is clearly more than we are paying even if we take the higher estimates for Giggs (and why we would be paying those sums based on his managerial experience, I'm not sure). Granted ROI have a very slightly bigger fanbase, but they're loaded down with debt for the Aviva and their current crowds aren't much better than ours (would be worse if we used the Principality Stadium). The FAW need to up their game in this department.
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Nov 25, 2018 2:21:41 GMT
Post by saints19 on Nov 25, 2018 2:21:41 GMT
youtu.be/1V4CEeLtvBABellamy on the future of Welsh football I still think he should have got the job, he just gets it It was and largely remains my view that neither Giggs nor Bellamy should have been appointed. I hope Giggs will prove me wrong in time, but if it goes t*ts up in no way should Bellamy be lined up as successor. The team and the fans deserve a manager with a track record.
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Nov 25, 2018 3:14:08 GMT
Post by ontheroadagain on Nov 25, 2018 3:14:08 GMT
youtu.be/1V4CEeLtvBABellamy on the future of Welsh football I still think he should have got the job, he just gets it Thank you for posting the link.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 12:48:27 GMT
youtu.be/1V4CEeLtvBABellamy on the future of Welsh football I still think he should have got the job, he just gets it It was and largely remains my view that neither Giggs nor Bellamy should have been appointed. I hope Giggs will prove me wrong in time, but if it goes t*ts up in no way should Bellamy be lined up as successor. The team and the fans deserve a manager with a track record. Who? They won’t pay the money for Carlo Ancelotti.
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 25, 2018 15:33:50 GMT
As others have mentioned, the Irish managers wages are subsidised by a wealthy businessman. Giggs was far from the cheap option. If reports are to be believed, Cookie was being offered circa £400k pa and at that time, was the most that they ever paid a manager. They are paying Giggs even more than that (at least £500k pa), although they were expecting to claw some of that back through increased sponsorship, media deals etc. The reality is that the amount of money that the FAW can afford to pay, doesn't get an experienced quality manager - unless they are prepared to drop their wages for emotional reasons. So the type of Manager that we can afford is usually one with an average track record or one with limited experience. O'Brien is not subsidising the wages anymore, and yet they've still brought in McCarthy, an experienced manager at Championship and international level, for a salary that I read was rumoured to be around 1.2m euros. That is clearly more than we are paying even if we take the higher estimates for Giggs (and why we would be paying those sums based on his managerial experience, I'm not sure). Granted ROI have a very slightly bigger fanbase, but they're loaded down with debt for the Aviva and their current crowds aren't much better than ours (would be worse if we used the Principality Stadium). The FAW need to up their game in this department. Attendance figures for Aviva
Game v Wales was 38,000 v 26,000 in CCFC Game v Denmark was 41,000 v 32,000 in CCFC
20,000 plus at an average higher ticket price more than makes a difference.
Bearing in mind ROI poor results but in 2018 ROI had 50,000 per competitive game (5 in total) then it does make a huge difference in terms of cash.
FAW is lucky it doesn't have a stadium debt but that is being paid off plus Euro2020 will make a sizeable dent into it.......... €10 million would be a guess.
FAW has 33k capacity and it works hard to fill it, FAI has 50,000 capacity and does the same. Both have to compete against lots of other sports and attractions.
In truth both are doing a good job.
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 25, 2018 22:30:30 GMT
It’s important to remember that the ‘top’ two welsh managers, Hughes and Pulis were out of work when we were looking for a manager and they were not interested.
We’ve a history of appointing our ex players with little experience (Hughes,Speed,etc) and we’ve gone with that again with Giggs.
Ireland, for all their talk of Allardyce etc ended up with Mick McCarthy.
Imagine the response on here if we’d appointed a journeyman manager who’d just been sacked by a championship club?
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Post by saints19 on Nov 26, 2018 3:52:32 GMT
I would have taken McCarthy, he did pretty well with Ipswich given where they are now. Championship is a competitive league ad to do well in it is a decent test of managerial craft. As a response to oscardelta too, I would suggest we could probably get 40-50+ in qualifiers now, the reason we don't get those crowds is the capacity on the CCS. If it helped pay for a more experienced, high quality manager I'm sure the fans would be willing to return to the Millenium. Not that I have a strong view either way, but it could be considered IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 8:51:33 GMT
It’s important to remember that the ‘top’ two welsh managers, Hughes and Pulis were out of work when we were looking for a manager and they were not interested. We’ve a history of appointing our ex players with little experience (Hughes,Speed,etc) and we’ve gone with that again with Giggs. Ireland, for all their talk of Allardyce etc ended up with Mick McCarthy. Imagine the response on here if we’d appointed a journeyman manager who’d just been sacked by a championship club?Chris Coleman?!
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Post by welshiron on Nov 26, 2018 9:19:28 GMT
Joniesta. Think that ship has sailed I'm afraid Disagree mate. He's done more for Wales than a lot of other players coming through. A must have if he is fit and playing football. I admire your optimism. But please look at the facts Played 12 games in over 2 years 17 caps since debut in 2013 Nowhere near the team at Palace Recent loans were Sunderland and Ipswich. Both poor championship sides at the time. Only ever scored 2 senior goals. Not many assists either He is a decent player but by no means a shoe in even if fit. Unfortunately I can't see too many clubs taking a chance on him given his injury record. Hope I'm wrong but can't see him getting 30 caps
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 26, 2018 9:29:58 GMT
It’s important to remember that the ‘top’ two welsh managers, Hughes and Pulis were out of work when we were looking for a manager and they were not interested. We’ve a history of appointing our ex players with little experience (Hughes,Speed,etc) and we’ve gone with that again with Giggs. Ireland, for all their talk of Allardyce etc ended up with Mick McCarthy. Imagine the response on here if we’d appointed a journeyman manager who’d just been sacked by a championship club?Chris Coleman?! My point exactly, look at the reaction when he got appointed
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Nov 26, 2018 19:21:19 GMT
Disagree mate. He's done more for Wales than a lot of other players coming through. A must have if he is fit and playing football. I admire your optimism. But please look at the facts Played 12 games in over 2 years 17 caps since debut in 2013 Nowhere near the team at Palace Recent loans were Sunderland and Ipswich. Both poor championship sides at the time. Only ever scored 2 senior goals. Not many assists either He is a decent player but by no means a shoe in even if fit. Unfortunately I can't see too many clubs taking a chance on him given his injury record. Hope I'm wrong but can't see him getting 30 caps If he can stay injury free for just a season it will do his confidence the world of good and will definitely get back into the welsh team. Fingers crossed.
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Nov 27, 2018 19:01:08 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Nov 27, 2018 19:01:08 GMT
If Messi was Welsh etc etc
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