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Mar 20, 2019 12:34:27 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Mar 20, 2019 12:34:27 GMT
Played at Salford
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Mar 20, 2019 12:56:47 GMT
Post by dai on Mar 20, 2019 12:56:47 GMT
Yes I know, but credit where it's due.
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Mar 20, 2019 13:58:31 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Mar 20, 2019 13:58:31 GMT
Give it a rest, we got a match tonight.
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Post by welshiron on Mar 20, 2019 14:13:25 GMT
Game finished 2 all. My neighbour scored the equaliser.😃
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Post by alarch on Mar 20, 2019 14:19:31 GMT
A somewhat conservative formation? I would have thought that is about as attacking as you can get in international football. That is pretty much the formation and line-up that I would start with (and it seems that it is getting a lot of love from other Apostles as well). Really think that we will blow them away with that formation. Even if they try to sit deep, I think that we will break them down at least once, following by Daniel James ripping them apart as a late sub. Back on topic; I have to say that I am much more at ease with Giggs since listening to the podcast. He does give the impression that he has some kind of plan and has a grasp of what has been going on. A lot of attacking capability in that line-up - but the formation is a solid defensive one. A 4-3-3 could achieve a similar objective, with Ramsey alongside Allen and Smith, but I'd rather have Ramsey mainly focussed on his offensive role, close to Bale. One of the reasons I'm nervous is that Giggs might turn into our Marc Wilmots - not fully respecting the opposition and being out-thought by the manager in the opposition dugout. The setups in the two games against Denmark were worrying in this regard. To go with a 4-4-2 against Denmark, with Bale and Ramsey as dual 10s, left us far too open - and contributed directly to Ericksen's opener, where he fired home from the edge of the box with no one within 8 yards front or back. In the return fixture we had Ramsey partnering Allen in front of the back four - and we were, as a consequence, again toothless in defence as well as in attack. The question is - does Giggs have the humility to recognise that he got it wrong - or does he just see it as simply down to Ramsey relishing the offensive side of things - as he implied in the podcast? As long as we have two defensively minded players in our setup (but no 4-4-2 please) we should be balanced enough to beat Slovakia. When we thrashed ROI we had Allen and Ampadu/Smith bossing the middle of the park. It worked then, why fix something that doesn't need fixing? It may well be that we can go with a very similar lineup against Slovakia as we did against ROI at home - with Smith a like-for-like replacement for Ampadu, and likewise Wilson for Lawrence.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 20, 2019 22:25:49 GMT
A positive that shouldn't be overlooked is the fact that we have now won two games without Ramsey or Bale in Giggs's first 10 games in charge. When you consider that one of our goals was to have more options and improve squad depth I'd say this is a good sign moving into the qualifiers. I'm personally quite excited to see how we fare with our first choice XI on Sunday.
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Mar 20, 2019 22:29:06 GMT
Post by CrackityJones on Mar 20, 2019 22:29:06 GMT
I'm still concerned Giggs doesn't really know what he's doing.
Really hope that's put to bed on Sunday.
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Mar 20, 2019 22:38:13 GMT
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Post by cadno on Mar 20, 2019 22:38:13 GMT
A somewhat conservative formation? I would have thought that is about as attacking as you can get in international football. That is pretty much the formation and line-up that I would start with (and it seems that it is getting a lot of love from other Apostles as well). Really think that we will blow them away with that formation. Even if they try to sit deep, I think that we will break them down at least once, following by Daniel James ripping them apart as a late sub. Back on topic; I have to say that I am much more at ease with Giggs since listening to the podcast. He does give the impression that he has some kind of plan and has a grasp of what has been going on. A lot of attacking capability in that line-up - but the formation is a solid defensive one. A 4-3-3 could achieve a similar objective, with Ramsey alongside Allen and Smith, but I'd rather have Ramsey mainly focussed on his offensive role, close to Bale. One of the reasons I'm nervous is that Giggs might turn into our Marc Wilmots - not fully respecting the opposition and being out-thought by the manager in the opposition dugout. The setups in the two games against Denmark were worrying in this regard. To go with a 4-4-2 against Denmark, with Bale and Ramsey as dual 10s, left us far too open - and contributed directly to Ericksen's opener, where he fired home from the edge of the box with no one within 8 yards front or back. In the return fixture we had Ramsey partnering Allen in front of the back four - and we were, as a consequence, again toothless in defence as well as in attack. The question is - does Giggs have the humility to recognise that he got it wrong - or does he just see it as simply down to Ramsey relishing the offensive side of things - as he implied in the podcast? As long as we have two defensively minded players in our setup (but no 4-4-2 please) we should be balanced enough to beat Slovakia. When we thrashed ROI we had Allen and Ampadu/Smith bossing the middle of the park. It worked then, why fix something that doesn't need fixing? It may well be that we can go with a very similar lineup against Slovakia as we did against ROI at home - with Smith a like-for-like replacement for Ampadu, and likewise Wilson for Lawrence. "Our Wilmots" and not respectful of the opposition.... Bang on the money!
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Mar 24, 2019 20:49:08 GMT
Well done to Ryan today for showing bravery by dropping Williams and playing a rookie. I remember on this forum people were ripping Coleman to pieces about keeping faith with the old guard but its not Ryan,s way.
In Ryan we believe.
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Post by pendragon on Mar 24, 2019 21:02:37 GMT
Granted, he went for a young attacking side today and I give credit to him for that.
What did concern me was bringing on Tyler Roberts when he took off Brooks and James. I feel Tyler will come good in time, but he doesn't seem quite ready yet. We let our guard down a bit after that I feel. Along with Ash, Giggs should perhaps have brought on another defensive stalwart if the plan was to sit back and defend for the final third, because with two creative midfielders off the pitch, it was foreseeable that this would give the opposition the time and space to start charging at our defence, and we had some close shaves. Prior to that, I was very impressed. We could have gone on to score an additional goal or two in the first half.
Still, a win's a win. Onwards and upwards!
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Mar 24, 2019 22:08:22 GMT
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Post by insertname on Mar 24, 2019 22:08:22 GMT
Granted, he went for a young attacking side today and I give credit to him for that. What did concern me was bringing on Tyler Roberts when he took off Brooks and James. I feel Tyler will come good in time, but he doesn't seem quite ready yet. We let our guard down a bit after that I feel. Along with Ash, Giggs should perhaps have brought on another defensive stalwart if the plan was to sit back and defend for the final third, because with two creative midfielders off the pitch, it was foreseeable that this would give the opposition the time and space to start charging at our defence, and we had some close shaves. Prior to that, I was very impressed. We could have gone on to score an additional goal or two in the first half. Still, a win's a win. Onwards and upwards! Playing him on the wing was odd, he was motm for leeds against west brom and played a couple of deft through balls to set up a couple of goals so he should have been brought on to replace wilson, if anyone. That being said it was suggested that Brooks was injured, but it really should have been like for like. Losing the speed of Brooks and James nearly undid the good work of the first half.
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Mar 24, 2019 22:33:56 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Mar 24, 2019 22:33:56 GMT
Granted, he went for a young attacking side today and I give credit to him for that. What did concern me was bringing on Tyler Roberts when he took off Brooks and James. I feel Tyler will come good in time, but he doesn't seem quite ready yet. We let our guard down a bit after that I feel. Along with Ash, Giggs should perhaps have brought on another defensive stalwart if the plan was to sit back and defend for the final third, because with two creative midfielders off the pitch, it was foreseeable that this would give the opposition the time and space to start charging at our defence, and we had some close shaves. Prior to that, I was very impressed. We could have gone on to score an additional goal or two in the first half. Still, a win's a win. Onwards and upwards! Playing him on the wing was odd, he was motm for leeds against west brom and played a couple of deft through balls to set up a couple of goals so he should have been brought on to replace wilson, if anyone. That being said it was suggested that Brooks was injured, but it really should have been like for like. Losing the speed of Brooks and James nearly undid the good work of the first half. I think that removing them both at around the same time was risky as the gaps then seemed to open up. I realise that Brooksy needed to go off at that point though. I guess this was one of the situations where Rambo's presence was missed.
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Mar 24, 2019 22:51:49 GMT
Post by dai on Mar 24, 2019 22:51:49 GMT
Mistake taking off both Brooks and James, leaving either of them on would have made us far more dangerous on the counter as Slovakia pushed further up.
Sadly, you could see a huge gulf in class between those two and Roberts. Roberts' off ball work was way below par as well.
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Mar 24, 2019 23:13:11 GMT
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Post by insertname on Mar 24, 2019 23:13:11 GMT
Playing him on the wing was odd, he was motm for leeds against west brom and played a couple of deft through balls to set up a couple of goals so he should have been brought on to replace wilson, if anyone. That being said it was suggested that Brooks was injured, but it really should have been like for like. Losing the speed of Brooks and James nearly undid the good work of the first half. I think that removing them both at around the same time was risky as the gaps then seemed to open up. I realise that Brooksy needed to go off at that point though. I guess this was one of the situations where Rambo's presence was missed. In the second half maybe but what was refreshing about the first half was that, contrary to the gnashing of teeth on here before hand he wasn't much missed. As well as his propensity to be under whelming in a Welsh shirt I don't think he suits the fast paced style that we started with, an observation I have seen Arsenal supporters corroborate. For me he would have been a good impact sub in the second half when Slovakia started getting on top and would have helped transition from taking the game to them to a more conservative one based around slowing the game down and keeping possession. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I hope people can underatand where I'm coming from now- he isn't integral to us at all in order to beat middle tier sides like Slovakia and I would prefer to see him used depending on the opposition- against Croatia he would be a starter but other than that I'd prefer to see us stick with the players that started today and really get at the weaker sides in the group.
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Post by zenith on Mar 24, 2019 23:18:00 GMT
Apart from taking off James, Giggs got it spot on today. He's definitely starting to win fans over.
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Post by pendragon on Mar 24, 2019 23:28:44 GMT
I think that removing them both at around the same time was risky as the gaps then seemed to open up. I realise that Brooksy needed to go off at that point though. I guess this was one of the situations where Rambo's presence was missed. In the second half maybe but what was refreshing about the first half was that, contrary to the gnashing of teeth on here before hand he wasn't much missed. As well as his propensity to be under whelming in a Welsh shirt I don't think he suits the fast paced style that we started with, an observation I have seen Arsenal supporters corroborate. For me he would have been a good impact sub in the second half when Slovakia started getting on top and would have helped transition from taking the game to them to a more conservative one based around slowing the game down and keeping possession. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I hope people can underatand where I'm coming from now- he isn't integral to us at all in order to beat middle tier sides like Slovakia and I would prefer to see him used depending on the opposition- against Croatia he would be a starter but other than that I'd prefer to see us stick with the players that started today and really get at the weaker sides in the group. Absolutely. You are entitled to your opinion. Contribution is always insightful. Not sure I'd always agree about the assessment of Ramsey. Perhaps sometimes, yes, he doesn't always suit the tempo or the layout. When we played ROI at home, he was quite effective and worked well with Ampadu and Allen in midfield. Maybe it depends on the system, and maybe it depends on the role. One thing I certainly will agree with you though is that I think the high paced, high energy, attacking system is great to watch, especially with so many talented young players in the mix. It's a delight to see Wales play like this and it's one of the positive features of Giggs' tenure so far.
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Post by insertname on Mar 25, 2019 0:07:47 GMT
In the second half maybe but what was refreshing about the first half was that, contrary to the gnashing of teeth on here before hand he wasn't much missed. As well as his propensity to be under whelming in a Welsh shirt I don't think he suits the fast paced style that we started with, an observation I have seen Arsenal supporters corroborate. For me he would have been a good impact sub in the second half when Slovakia started getting on top and would have helped transition from taking the game to them to a more conservative one based around slowing the game down and keeping possession. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I hope people can underatand where I'm coming from now- he isn't integral to us at all in order to beat middle tier sides like Slovakia and I would prefer to see him used depending on the opposition- against Croatia he would be a starter but other than that I'd prefer to see us stick with the players that started today and really get at the weaker sides in the group. Absolutely. You are entitled to your opinion. Contribution is always insightful. Not sure I'd always agree about the assessment of Ramsey. Perhaps sometimes, yes, he doesn't always suit the tempo or the layout. When we played ROI at home, he was quite effective and worked well with Ampadu and Allen in midfield. Maybe it depends on the system, and maybe it depends on the role. One thing I certainly will agree with you though is that I think the high paced, high energy, attacking system is great to watch, especially with so many talented young players in the mix. It's a delight to see Wales play like this and it's one of the positive features of Giggs' tenure so far. It's very refreshing and I think highlights what we lacked under Coleman - a high tempo. Ramsey for me suited Coleman's style of play but I would like to see us persevere with the same starting line up from today. It actually reminds me of how England at the moment are looking to overwhelm the opposition with the speed and enthusiasm of youth with players like Sancho and Sterling. We blew Slovakia away early doors with talented and pacey players on either side. It also meant we were first to the 50/50's high up the pitch (as per the goal) meaning Slovakia couldn't escape their 3rd of the pitch for a period. Of course, the likes of Croatia will have the ability to play around us so I feel we would need a player like Ramsey then, but for the most part what we saw today was a great blueprint for how we should play going forward. It's quite exciting and liberating to watch after the ponderous stuff we have played before and teams will struggle to cope. Encouraging too that we have other relatively young players like Lawrence and Ampadu to come back. On tbe whole Giggs has done well to cultivate some depth, my only concern is that, as others have suggested, is this all by design or is he just throwing a load of attackers on the pitch and hoping for luck? The defensive change showed he has some nous but he kind of foiled it by removing both James and Brooks. Weird as well considering how with his pedigree you would think his attitude would have been to keep the pressure up rather than try and see out a 1-0 win with 20 minutes left. So yeah, change things for Croatia but I'd like to see that same starting XI against Hungary. If Wilson can re-discover his form we would have quite the attack.
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Mar 25, 2019 8:19:56 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Mar 25, 2019 8:19:56 GMT
That team will get totally exposed away from home.
If all fit there will be at least 2 changes.
Chester for Lawrence Ramsey for Wilson or James.
Croatia and Hungary will sit a lot deeper and the pace of James wouldn't be as effective.
We will need to be a lot more compact all over the pitch. If we give Modric the space we gave Hamsik we will get beat.
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Mar 25, 2019 8:35:24 GMT
Post by richierich333 on Mar 25, 2019 8:35:24 GMT
I would have started Dummett ahead of Lawrence in a back 4. I was quite annoyed at Giggs for this call but i was proven incorrect and this is why he's the manager and I am not. I'm still not sure on starting him in all the qualifiers mind.
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Mar 25, 2019 9:07:12 GMT
Post by alarch on Mar 25, 2019 9:07:12 GMT
That team will get totally exposed away from home. If all fit there will be at least 2 changes. Chester for Lawrence Ramsey for Wilson or James. Croatia and Hungary will sit a lot deeper and the pace of James wouldn't be as effective. We will need to be a lot more compact all over the pitch. If we give Modric the space we gave Hamsik we will get beat. Will Croatia and Hungary sit a lot deeper - playing at home? They might if James and Bale are both in the side - for fear of what we could do on the break. So we should look to include both for that reason. I agree that we need to be more compact - although we were by and large until we went to 5 at the back, after which we were lacking the numbers in midfield to deny Hamsik the space he relishes. Allen almost seemed to be man-marking Hamsik at times, Modric will require similar close attention.
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Mar 25, 2019 10:21:08 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Mar 25, 2019 10:21:08 GMT
Sitting deeper doesn't mean defending more.
It will create more space in the middle of the pitch for their creative players without getting turned like Slovakia were especially first half yesterday.
In the second half they sat a bit deeper which saw them attack more.
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 25, 2019 10:43:48 GMT
Ramsey in for Wilson
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Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 25, 2019 11:12:15 GMT
Mistake taking off both Brooks and James, leaving either of them on would have made us far more dangerous on the counter as Slovakia pushed further up. Sadly, you could see a huge gulf in class between those two and Roberts. Roberts' off ball work was way below par as well. Agreed, Roberts not International level yet, much work on the training pitch needed, but plenty of time for him to come good. For now I'd move Bale to centre forward, allow him plenty of opportunities to run behind defences and also he's very good in the air.
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Mar 25, 2019 11:53:32 GMT
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Post by cadno on Mar 25, 2019 11:53:32 GMT
A lot of attacking capability in that line-up - but the formation is a solid defensive one. A 4-3-3 could achieve a similar objective, with Ramsey alongside Allen and Smith, but I'd rather have Ramsey mainly focussed on his offensive role, close to Bale. One of the reasons I'm nervous is that Giggs might turn into our Marc Wilmots - not fully respecting the opposition and being out-thought by the manager in the opposition dugout. The setups in the two games against Denmark were worrying in this regard. To go with a 4-4-2 against Denmark, with Bale and Ramsey as dual 10s, left us far too open - and contributed directly to Ericksen's opener, where he fired home from the edge of the box with no one within 8 yards front or back. In the return fixture we had Ramsey partnering Allen in front of the back four - and we were, as a consequence, again toothless in defence as well as in attack. The question is - does Giggs have the humility to recognise that he got it wrong - or does he just see it as simply down to Ramsey relishing the offensive side of things - as he implied in the podcast? As long as we have two defensively minded players in our setup (but no 4-4-2 please) we should be balanced enough to beat Slovakia. When we thrashed ROI we had Allen and Ampadu/Smith bossing the middle of the park. It worked then, why fix something that doesn't need fixing? It may well be that we can go with a very similar lineup against Slovakia as we did against ROI at home - with Smith a like-for-like replacement for Ampadu, and likewise Wilson for Lawrence. "Our Wilmots" and not respectful of the opposition.... Bang on the money! Well he was certainly respectful of Slovakia yesterday, my preconception of him was wrong, nice to see Giggs happy to change system and have us disciplined defensively! It's so important that we don't concede too many. I thought Williams should've started but Mepham and Lawrence proved to be the right call. I'd take 2 points in June, anything else would be superb.
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Post by rossyjones on Mar 25, 2019 13:03:00 GMT
Couldn´t fault his team selection yesterday. He got it spot on
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Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 25, 2019 13:51:21 GMT
Have to be magnanimous on this occasion. Well done to Ryan Giggs, right choices made yesterday.
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Mar 25, 2019 15:40:31 GMT
Post by manulike on Mar 25, 2019 15:40:31 GMT
I would have started Dummett ahead of Lawrence in a back 4. I was quite annoyed at Giggs for this call but i was proven incorrect and this is why he's the manager and I am not. I'm still not sure on starting him in all the qualifiers mind. 100% in agreement with you there. I have seen Lawrence 5 or 6 times in the last month and I still would never have put him in a back four. Ask any Anderlecht fan how he played in their back four before the change of manager and system. They couldn't get rid of him fast enough during the Winter break, but he only went and got himself injured ...
Obviously, Giggs saw something there - and more importantly - he was proven right ;-)
Chapeau!
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Post by iot on Mar 25, 2019 23:43:32 GMT
I think that removing them both at around the same time was risky as the gaps then seemed to open up. I realise that Brooksy needed to go off at that point though. I guess this was one of the situations where Rambo's presence was missed. In the second half maybe but what was refreshing about the first half was that, contrary to the gnashing of teeth on here before hand he wasn't much missed. As well as his propensity to be under whelming in a Welsh shirt I don't think he suits the fast paced style that we started with, an observation I have seen Arsenal supporters corroborate. For me he would have been a good impact sub in the second half when Slovakia started getting on top and would have helped transition from taking the game to them to a more conservative one based around slowing the game down and keeping possession. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I hope people can underatand where I'm coming from now- he isn't integral to us at all in order to beat middle tier sides like Slovakia and I would prefer to see him used depending on the opposition- against Croatia he would be a starter but other than that I'd prefer to see us stick with the players that started today and really get at the weaker sides in the group. I can sort of understand where you're coming from, ramsey isn't the most pacey, but he remains our second best player in red hot form, so not starting him would be a very left-field decision, even for giggs' standards! I think there's a clear case for starting ramsey which was strengthened by what we saw yesterday. James, Bale and Brooks have pace to burn and what they need is players to thread balls through to them when they go in behind. Ramsey's our best player at doing that so he would fit really nicely in that role. Wilson hasn't been on form for a couple of months, so I would go with a 433: Ramsey Allen Smith Brooks Bale Jame I think that would actually give more defensive solidity as we would have an extra man in midfield - there were all sorts of gaps in midfield against slovakia. The one drawback is that brooks is better in a 10 position, especially on the turn when he receives it centrally and run away from his marker. But the pros with getting ramsey in ahead of wilson far outweighs the cons.
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Post by gwernybwch on Apr 1, 2019 17:55:33 GMT
Thought that I would share with you this mornings WhatsApp discussion - 01.04.19 08:52 Ryan: Anybody know how to claim lieu hours back on the FAW system? Mark Evans: I started to reply to you and then I realised what day it was! You working extra hours! You little joker! Ryan: Eh? Ryan: I'm trying to claim back my lieu hours. Osian: Sorry can't help you m8. Never claimed back my hours since I have been here. Jonathan: Ryan we went through how to do this an induction. Don't you remember? Ryan: But that was over a year ago. This is the first time that I have had to claim back time in lieu. Jonathan: There is a form on the intranet. Fill it in and email me to me. Jonathan: Out of interest what hours are you claiming? Ryan: Five hours on the 2nd Feb. Barnsley v Scunthorpe. Jonathan: But you said that you left the game after 60 minutes? Ryan: I arrived early and did a lot of selfies with the kids at the game, like you have been telling me to do. Jonathan: I wanted you to spend time with Welsh kids, but, oh it doesn't matter. Jonathan: When do you want to claim the time back? Ryan: 1st June. Jonathan: Think there was a typo there? That is the week before the crucial double-header. Ryan: That is the correct date. It is for a comic convention. Mark Evans: For a fucking what? Are you sure you aren't April fooling us? Ryan: They are going to introduce me as the "Welsh Manager". So strictly speaking I am doing it for Wales. Ryan: Trefor "Supergirl" will be there. I'll get you a signed photo if you like. Trefor Lloyd-Hughes: Giggsy can have the time off. Executive decision.
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Apr 9, 2019 20:26:46 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Apr 9, 2019 20:26:46 GMT
Giggs watching Swansea/ Stoke tonight.
Probably because there’s someone’s wife in Swansea he wants to shag, or he realises that it’s not a friendly. Ha ha ha.
Ha hahahahaha, did you see what I did there? I made a joke about the fact that he had a affair with his brothers wife and missed loads of friendlies hahahahahahahahha
I’m off to put this on Twitter and the Daily Mail comments, wait til everyone on there reads this, they’ll all be laughing so much.Can’t believe I’m the first one to come up with this hilarious comedy.
I might get my own show on Channel 4.
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