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Post by alarch on Apr 9, 2019 21:17:34 GMT
Roberts also had a good game tonight, could easily have had a couple of assists. I almost felt sorry for Williams, Allen and Vokes - Swansea were so much better than Stoke from start to finish. Allen was almost single-handedly trying to hold back the Swansea tide. He's been likened to Xavi, Pirlo and Christ. Add King Canute to the list.
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Apr 10, 2019 6:41:36 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Apr 10, 2019 6:41:36 GMT
Giggs brother on GMB now talking about his brother Ryan and his advert.
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Apr 10, 2019 9:56:02 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Apr 10, 2019 9:56:02 GMT
Giggs watching Swansea/ Stoke tonight. Probably because there’s someone’s wife in Swansea he wants to shag, or he realises that it’s not a friendly. Ha ha ha. Ha hahahahaha, did you see what I did there? I made a joke about the fact that he had a affair with his brothers wife and missed loads of friendlies hahahahahahahahha I’m off to put this on Twitter and the Daily Mail comments, wait til everyone on there reads this, they’ll all be laughing so much.Can’t believe I’m the first one to come up with this hilarious comedy. I might get my own show on Channel 4. Or a gambling advert.
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Post by manulike on Apr 12, 2019 12:14:24 GMT
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Post by kingstonred on May 28, 2019 11:00:16 GMT
Worth a mention that Giggs was the only player from the 1999 Champions League winning side that didn't return for the reunion this weekend. I know Giggs has his critics for putting things before his Wales job, but fair play to him for resisting the urge to head to Old Trafford - he could easily have made the training squad finish a few days earlier and no one would have batted an eyelid.
Two huge games coming up, and good to see Giggs has his priorities in order!
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Post by 1gwaunview on May 28, 2019 12:00:56 GMT
Worth a mention that Giggs was the only player from the 1999 Champions League winning side that didn't return for the reunion this weekend. I know Giggs has his critics for putting things before his Wales job, but fair play to him for resisting the urge to head to Old Trafford - he could easily have made the training squad finish a few days earlier and no one would have batted an eyelid. Two huge games coming up, and good to see Giggs has his priorities in order! Can you imagine the flack if he'd returned to play in Manchester half way through the training camp in Portugal? For once he's used some common sense and prioritised his Wales commitments. Let's see what happens in the coming fortnight for the next instalment of the Giggs/Wales saga.
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Post by welshiron on May 28, 2019 13:27:18 GMT
Thanks Ryan
Very kind of you to concentrate on the job you are paid for.
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Post by dai on May 28, 2019 13:52:14 GMT
Shame, was hoping to see him play as well.
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May 28, 2019 15:45:35 GMT
Post by iot on May 28, 2019 15:45:35 GMT
Thanks Ryan Very kind of you to concentrate on the job you are paid for. I've given him stick in the past and questioned his priorities, but you have to give credit where it's due otherwise you're just left with having an agenda. He's been accused of putting his other footballing hobbies and work in front of his responsibilities in the Wales job, but he's done the opposite here and that's heartening. I also criticised him in the past for going to watch Barnsley out of all the games he could attend and thought is was partly about the convenience of it being on his doorstep, which again to me suggested a lack of work ethic. However, it's now come to light he was monitoring Barnsley players that we didn't know were eligible as part of his continued strategy of broadening the player base, so it makes perfect sense and reveals that he has far more nous than many had given him credit for.
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Post by welshiron on May 28, 2019 15:50:26 GMT
We have 2 massive games coming up and you think we should be grateful he has turned up instead of going to an old boys reunion.
Bloody hell do we really have such low expectations
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May 28, 2019 16:07:07 GMT
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Post by cadno on May 28, 2019 16:07:07 GMT
We have 2 massive games coming up and you think we should be grateful he has turned up instead of going to an old boys reunion. Bloody hell do we really have such low expectations Agree, ridiculous to think he could have played the charity game. But it's good to see that he's doing a q&a at the Eisteddfod tomorrow!
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Post by iot on May 28, 2019 16:09:51 GMT
We have 2 massive games coming up and you think we should be grateful he has turned up instead of going to an old boys reunion. Bloody hell do we really have such low expectations Nope, I thought people would spin it that way but that's not at all what I'm saying. I'm just saying there's been accusations, made by myself and others, about him not showing the commitment needed and prioritising other things over the Welsh job. In this instance he hasn't done that, he's done the opposite and it's only right to acknowledge that. Failing to acknowledge it and continuing to make snide comments, even when he is doing what is to be expected, suggests that you can't look at this rationally and you're just harping on with an agenda, no matter what Giggs does. I'm just trying to look at his performance and actions as rationally and objectively as possible, but it seems to me there are some on both sides who can't do that. There are some who will defend him when he needs to be called out, there are others who will be snide and criticise when he's going about things the right way.
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 28, 2019 16:36:47 GMT
We have 2 massive games coming up and you think we should be grateful he has turned up instead of going to an old boys reunion. Bloody hell do we really have such low expectations If you get to the point where you criticise Giggs's commitment, but refuse to acknowledge scenarios where he displays commitment then you are engaged in biased thinking. No one has said 'be grateful that he turned up', I believe kingstonred was merely attempting to bring balance to the narrative, especially within this thread, which has so far been hyper-vigilant of reasons to criticise Giggs.
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Post by welshiron on May 29, 2019 7:52:20 GMT
It's not commitment it's his job ffs.
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Jun 4, 2019 20:53:47 GMT
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Post by harry on Jun 4, 2019 20:53:47 GMT
Will all those who slated him before a ball was kicked, and continud to do so after a load of meaningless games be apologising in person or in writing this time next week?
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Jun 4, 2019 21:12:20 GMT
Post by alarch on Jun 4, 2019 21:12:20 GMT
Will all those who slated him before a ball was kicked, and continud to do so after a load of meaningless games be apologising in person or in writing this time next week? Quite possibly. Or alternatively we may well be saying I told you so. Or - the jury's still out. I'm not sure what your point is to be honest.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 4, 2019 22:19:26 GMT
Time to forget for or against Giggs. Let see after next 2 games . Let's not forget what happened at Andorra away to Paris
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Jun 5, 2019 6:47:39 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jun 5, 2019 6:47:39 GMT
I am right behind the team as always.
Will never be a fan of Giggs though.
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Jun 10, 2019 8:36:21 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jun 10, 2019 8:36:21 GMT
30 yrs ago today Giggs captained England schoolboys against Germany.
Not a dig just a fact
Source: dragonsoccer
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Jun 10, 2019 10:19:32 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 10, 2019 10:19:32 GMT
Let's hope he's learnt some lessons from Saturday in the way he sets the team up, makes the necessary personnel changes and alters tactics (or at least has some plan).
For me it's the following:
Ash for Lawrence Brooks (if fit enough to start) for James Ditto Ampadu for Smith
Another loss and it's catch up time, and the way we are at the moment I'm not confident.
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Jun 10, 2019 11:20:25 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jun 10, 2019 11:20:25 GMT
You would play Vaulks
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Jun 10, 2019 11:20:33 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Jun 10, 2019 11:20:33 GMT
Could something like this work? Or would it leave us too exposed??
4-2-3-1
Roberts Mepham Ash Davies
Allen Ampadu
Brooks Wilson James
Bale
Give or take, the roles in the last two lines need not be fixed to those positions.
Brooks joins Allen and Ampadu in a 4-3-3 formation.
Clearly, this carries the proviso that substitutions would be required, probably in respect of Brooks and Ampadu - perhaps move Bale to Brooks' pisition and bring on Vokes to fill the void? And Smith for Ampadu.
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Jun 10, 2019 12:49:44 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 10, 2019 12:49:44 GMT
You would play Vaulks LOL, he was so anonymous on Saturday I forgot about him, Smith in then instead of Vaulks. Reports of Vokes and Gunter possibly starting, so what do I know?
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Jun 10, 2019 13:01:32 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 10, 2019 13:01:32 GMT
Could something like this work? Or would it leave us too exposed?? 4-2-3-1 Roberts Mepham Ash Davies Allen Ampadu Brooks Wilson James Bale Give or take, the roles in the last two lines need not be fixed to those positions. Brooks joins Allen and Ampadu in a 4-3-3 formation. Clearly, this carries the proviso that substitutions would be required, probably in respect of Brooks and Ampadu - perhaps move Bale to Brooks' pisition and bring on Vokes to fill the void? And Smith for Ampadu. This is what we played against Slovakia with Williams in for Lawrence and Ampadu for Smith. So no I don't think that would leave us too open, especially as Hungary are not quite as good as Slovakia. I thought Wilson was our worst performer against Croatia, and looked quite tired so Vokes could be coming in for him. Sounds like Gunter will come in for Roberts too after a long season and a gruelling 90 mins the other day.
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Jun 10, 2019 14:07:21 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Jun 10, 2019 14:07:21 GMT
Gunter worries me because I do think he has a knack of conceding possession in very dangerous areas (not that we're immune to that with other players lol), but it's a case of needs must. Giggs couldn't start Brooks by all accounts because he is not 100% fit so to some degree, Giggs' choices were certainly limited on Saturday. It's been reported he's going to make several changes for this game regardless though, so I hope they'll be safe enough to play the 45 minutes. Wouldn't like to see them out any longer than that if they're not upto it 😲
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Post by alarch on Jun 10, 2019 15:15:19 GMT
The weather forecast for Budapest is pretty much the same as for the Croatian match, albeit that the match is an evening kick-off, so things should be cooling off as the match progresses. Fatigue should be more of an issue for the Hungarians given their later start and the longer journey times. Unusually for an away game we should have an edge in terms of physical condition.
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Jun 10, 2019 16:35:41 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Jun 10, 2019 16:35:41 GMT
Yes, it is a strange turn of events given that it is an away game!
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Jun 10, 2019 17:37:22 GMT
Post by aberbeeg on Jun 10, 2019 17:37:22 GMT
Will all those who slated him before a ball was kicked, and continud to do so after a load of meaningless games be apologising in person or in writing this time next week? Hmmmmm no? He looks more and more out of his depth with each passing game. Especially against the higher teams.
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Jun 10, 2019 18:36:16 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jun 10, 2019 18:36:16 GMT
If we were to lose in Hungary I would want him out.
Might be harsh but it would give a new manager a chance still to qualify.
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Jun 10, 2019 18:43:08 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 10, 2019 18:43:08 GMT
If we were to lose in Hungary I would want him out. Might be harsh but it would give a new manager a chance still to qualify. I think he's had his benefit of the doubt time, we must start improving soonest or another campaign wasted before it's really started. 6 points behind after tomorrow and it's an uphill task.
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