Giggs

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Coleman hasn't even gone yet and Giggs is being crowned king. Sad yet all too predictable.

It would be another amateur move by the FAW. Surely they have earned enough from Euro 2016 that they could afford a decent replacement and view the chance to work with the likes of Bale and Allen as a privilege rather than the sort of job given to a freshly retired player who has proven nothing in the management stakes.

The days of the likes of Southall and Hughes cutting their management teeth Wales have to be over. There is the signs of some belated professionalism behind the scenes at the FAW and this attitude needs to be conferred to the hiring of managers as much as any other part of their remit. The only exception I would make would be in the case of Osian, he should be well placed to take over in the absence of any quality, high profile & EXPERIENCED candidates.

[larslagerback]

Isn't Roberts a brilliant #2, rather than a manager?

[squatter1]

Slight overreaction to an article that has one brief paragraph about Giggs.

The reality is, if Coleman went tomorrow, the FAW would talk to (in no particular order):

1. Giggs
2. Bellamy
3. Jackett
4. Saunders
5. Pulis (if WBA let them)

I would imagine their preference from that would be a) Pulis b) Giggs c) Jackett

[welwyn]

Aug 2, 2016 14:35:23 GMT squatter1 said:

Slight overreaction to an article that has one brief paragraph about Giggs.

The reality is, if Coleman went tomorrow, the FAW would talk to (in no particular order):

1. Giggs
2. Bellamy
3. Jackett
4. Saunders
5. Pulis (if WBA let them)

I would imagine their preference from that would be a) Pulis b) Giggs c) Jackett

I think they would at least speak to Kit Symons too, no?

[toshfan]

I realise that the FAW has refused Hull permission. If Chris Coleman wants to talk to them, it will be difficult. On a football level, I think that it is a bad move all round but which one of us would not be tempted were we able to multiply our salaries by at least 10 times?

I can only think of two credible Welsh candidates were we to be looking for a replacement (I hope we do not):

Kit Symons
Carl Robinson

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God, this is depressing stuff.

[gwernybwch]

Aug 2, 2016 11:30:16 GMT toshfan said:

Aug 1, 2016 22:27:14 GMT larslagerback said:

Don't click the link!

Clickbait is how this filthy rag survives these days.

Abbo (Walesonline) and Rob Phillips (BBC Wales) amongst others do deserve our respect. They are genuine in their passion for Welsh Football.

Abbo used to write quality articles about Welsh football, but I can't remember the last really good one from him that I read. Perhaps it's because he has lost his 'inside men' since Toshack has left?

That article is about his level at the moment, a list of the predictable candidates without a mentions for other good Welsh coaches; Osian Roberts, Carl Robinson, Mark Sampson etc.

With regard to journalists, IMHO an honourable mention should go to Dafydd Pritchard (BBC Wales website). Some his article over Euro 2016 were very good.

[toshfan]

Aug 2, 2016 15:35:24 GMT @storm said:

God, this is depressing stuff.

Which bit? The thought of losing Coleman or the names being mentioned as a future replacement?

[toshfan]

Aug 2, 2016 15:38:20 GMT gwernybwch said:

Abbo used to write quality articles about Welsh football, but I can't remember the last really good one from him that I read. Perhaps it's because he has lost his 'inside men' since Toshack has left?

I agree that it was his finest hour. Whether you agreed with the way forward during that period or, he was the journalist who had the inside knowledge and therefore was very original. Contrary to claims I recall, Abbo was also willing to be critical of Toshack too e.g. when Toshack agreed to prioritise selection for an u21 game over a senior friendly with Georgia.

That article is about his level at the moment, a list of the predictable candidates without a mentions for other good Welsh coaches; Osian Roberts, Carl Robinson, Mark Sampson etc.

I share the surprise about the lack of mention for Robinson, but not Roberts or Sampson. The latter is a non-starter and I think Roberts is a brilliant number 2 and current leader for our youth revolution.

With regard to journalists, IMHO an honourable mention should go to Dafydd Pritchard (BBC Wales website). Some his article over Euro 2016 were very good.

Agreed. Owain Llyr is good too!

[quetzal]

Kit Symons everytime but Abbo has been touting Giggs for the Welsh job for years.

Lets hope Coleman doesn't go even if he is the most successful Piss-Head Clown in British International management since Bobby Robson

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Aug 2, 2016 15:40:40 GMT toshfan said:

Aug 2, 2016 15:35:24 GMT @storm said:

God, this is depressing stuff.

Which bit? The thought of losing Coleman or the names being mentioned as a future replacement?

The names! Why do they have to be Welsh? We have proved our credentials as a serious side, no way should we even be considering a rank amateur like Giggs or Robinson just because they are Welsh. Pulis is okay, gets results at prem level and has on occasion played some tidy stuff but I still don't think I trust him. Would you really want to see Jackett in charge of the likes of Bale and co?

After Pulis I am not sure there is anyone with the experience to seem like a safe pair of hands right off the bat. Its all a bit 'bargain bucket'. There is no shame in appointing a foreigner as long as it is the right man who has the sort of character that fits in with the 'Together Stronger' ethos.

[larslagerback]

Aug 2, 2016 17:21:30 GMT @storm said:

Aug 2, 2016 15:40:40 GMT toshfan said:

Which bit? The thought of losing Coleman or the names being mentioned as a future replacement?

The names! Why do they have to be Welsh? We have proved our credentials as a serious side, no way should we even be considering a rank amateur like Giggs or Robinson just because they are Welsh. Pulis is okay, gets results at prem level and has on occasion played some tidy stuff but I still don't think I trust him. Would you really want to see Jackett in charge of the likes of Bale and co?

After Pulis I am not sure there is anyone with the experience to seem like a safe pair of hands right off the bat. Its all a bit 'bargain bucket'. There is no shame in appointing a foreigner as long as it is the right man who has the sort of character that fits in with the 'Together Stronger' ethos.

I'm freeeeeeee!

Actually I'm not sure if I am. But if I am and if Coleman is off then I must be a contender. Lot of ifs there though.

[gwernybwch]

Aug 2, 2016 17:21:30 GMT @storm said:

Aug 2, 2016 15:40:40 GMT toshfan said:

Which bit? The thought of losing Coleman or the names being mentioned as a future replacement?

The names! Why do they have to be Welsh? We have proved our credentials as a serious side, no way should we even be considering a rank amateur like Giggs or Robinson just because they are Welsh.

I agree that the thought-process needs to be widen from the current pool which mainly consists of 'good Welsh ex-players'.

Whilst he doesn't have to be Welsh, lots of people can still remember the last English coach we had......

Why consider Giggs as an amateur? Any bloke that can keep two women on the go and circumvent your own brother for several years, must have very professional management skills ;-)

What does annoy me is that people automatically dismiss people like Carl Robinson or Mark Sampson. Presumably because they aren't managing in the English professional pyramid. Similar with Osian Roberts; I've read comments that he is 'more of a No.2'. Why don't they think that he is suitable, but think that someone like Craig Bellamy is in with a chance.

[larslagerback]

To answer your latter point, I know someone who's met Roberts regularly (though football) and described him as a great #2. Btw, I'm not advocating Bellamy for the job either!

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Aug 2, 2016 18:11:49 GMT gwernybwch said:

Aug 2, 2016 17:21:30 GMT @storm said:

The names! Why do they have to be Welsh? We have proved our credentials as a serious side, no way should we even be considering a rank amateur like Giggs or Robinson just because they are Welsh.

I agree that the thought-process needs to be widen from the current pool which mainly consists of 'good Welsh ex-players'.

Whilst he doesn't have to be Welsh, lots of people can still remember the last English coach we had......

Why consider Giggs as an amateur? Any bloke that can keep two women on the go and circumvent your own brother for several years, must have very professional management skills ;-)

What does annoy me is that people automatically dismiss people like Carl Robinson or Mark Sampson. Presumably because they aren't managing in the English professional pyramid. Similar with Osian Roberts; I've read comments that he is 'more of a No.2'. Why don't they think that he is suitable, but think that someone like Craig Bellamy is in with a chance.

I think Carl Robinson would have been a good shout during the Tosh era but, with respect, we have earned the right to aim very high and not have to take those sorts of risks anymore. I am sure that an international manager of proven calibre (one of whom is even posting in this thread) would be falling over himself to take over after seeing us get to the semi-finals of the Euros. We are a very attractive proposition at this point in time and we should be dining out on that.

Bale Allen and Ramsey are not getting any younger, to me we would be gambling with the future of a very talented crop of players by appointing someone who has not yet proven a great deal.

[toshfan]

Aug 2, 2016 17:21:30 GMT @storm said:

Aug 2, 2016 15:40:40 GMT toshfan said:

Which bit? The thought of losing Coleman or the names being mentioned as a future replacement?

The names! Why do they have to be Welsh? We have proved our credentials as a serious side, no way should we even be considering a rank amateur like Giggs or Robinson just because they are Welsh. Pulis is okay, gets results at prem level and has on occasion played some tidy stuff but I still don't think I trust him. Would you really want to see Jackett in charge of the likes of Bale and co?

After Pulis I am not sure there is anyone with the experience to seem like a safe pair of hands right off the bat. Its all a bit 'bargain bucket'. There is no shame in appointing a foreigner as long as it is the right man who has the sort of character that fits in with the 'Together Stronger' ethos.

I am not wedded to a Welsh manager as such. But Carl Robinson is a class act and now has experience.

[gwernybwch]

Aug 2, 2016 21:25:58 GMT larslagerback said:

To answer your latter point, I know someone who's met Roberts regularly (though football) and described him as a great #2. Btw, I'm not advocating Bellamy for the job either!

I don't think that for anyone who has an understanding of our recent rise will doubt that Osian Roberts is a fantastic No.2, but does that mean that he can't be an equally good No. 1 as well?

To me it is a no-brainer to appoint him as the Manager when Coleman (and I'm not saying it going to happen anytime soon) leaves.

Liverpool in the 70's & 80's didn't suffer by promoting their coaches / assistant Managers - such as Paisley and Fagin - to be first team Managers.

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Aug 3, 2016 9:51:26 GMT toshfan said:

Aug 2, 2016 17:21:30 GMT @storm said:

The names! Why do they have to be Welsh? We have proved our credentials as a serious side, no way should we even be considering a rank amateur like Giggs or Robinson just because they are Welsh. Pulis is okay, gets results at prem level and has on occasion played some tidy stuff but I still don't think I trust him. Would you really want to see Jackett in charge of the likes of Bale and co?

After Pulis I am not sure there is anyone with the experience to seem like a safe pair of hands right off the bat. Its all a bit 'bargain bucket'. There is no shame in appointing a foreigner as long as it is the right man who has the sort of character that fits in with the 'Together Stronger' ethos.

I am not wedded to a Welsh manager as such. But Carl Robinson is a class act and now has experience.

Experience in a league that still doesn't have much credibility for it's strength. We don't have to take these sort of risks with our managerial appointments anymore and so we shouldn't. I would expect the role of Wales manager to be highly coveted at this point in time.

[manulike]

Now the M irror is at it ...

www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ryan-giggs-targeted-wales-job-8575416

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Giggs says he isn't interested in the Wales job:

m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37004044

It really gets on my tits how he refers to Wales as 'they', if that is his mindset no wonder he never turned up during his career. So much for 'together stronger'

[larslagerback]

Aug 7, 2016 19:35:59 GMT @storm said:

Giggs says he isn't interested in the Wales job:

m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37004044

It really gets on my tits how he refers to Wales as 'they', if that is his mindset no wonder he never turned up during his career. So much for 'together stronger'

Just when I thought I couldn't dislike hom more. "They". What a twat.

[bale-droed]

I don't want Giggs in charge but let's be honest it's not as bad as when Coleman as a pundit referred to England as "We" before he has the Wales job

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Aug 7, 2016 20:17:46 GMT larslagerback said:

Aug 7, 2016 19:35:59 GMT @storm said:

Giggs says he isn't interested in the Wales job:

m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37004044

It really gets on my tits how he refers to Wales as 'they', if that is his mindset no wonder he never turned up during his career. So much for 'together stronger'

Just when I thought I couldn't dislike hom more. "They". What a twat.

This isn't a one off- he was doing it during an article for the BBC during the Euros too. This is his mindset towards Wales, not 'we', 'they'. I pray to God that this is picked up on by the FAW.

Mind you, I did say the new manager should not have to be Welsh, he definitely wouldn't be if Giggs got the job

[larslagerback]

Aug 7, 2016 20:39:38 GMT bale-droed said:

I don't want Giggs in charge but let's be honest it's not as bad as when Coleman as a pundit referred to England as "We" before he has the Wales job

Have you got a clip of this please? I'm surprised more hasn't been made of it.

[bale-droed]

Aug 8, 2016 22:19:46 GMT larslagerback said:

Aug 7, 2016 20:39:38 GMT bale-droed said:

I don't want Giggs in charge but let's be honest it's not as bad as when Coleman as a pundit referred to England as "We" before he has the Wales job

Have you got a clip of this please? I'm surprised more hasn't been made of it.

You should of been on this forum a few years ago when he was hired a lot of people remembered but this WE thing happened world cup 2010 (I think)

[larslagerback]

Aug 9, 2016 23:40:48 GMT bale-droed said:

Aug 8, 2016 22:19:46 GMT larslagerback said:

Have you got a clip of this please? I'm surprised more hasn't been made of it.

You should of been on this forum a few years ago when he was hired a lot of people remembered but this WE thing happened world cup 2010 (I think)

I think I was on dragonsoccer or whatever it was called back then. Or lost in the wilderness.

V.naughty of Cookie.

[manulike]

Mar 9, 2017 20:50:35 GMT manulike said:

Giggs at it again - No thanks!

Actually, would love to see him go and coach in Africa or India - I am sure it will be great for his ego...

indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ryan-giggs-exclusive-chris-coleman-wales-manager/1/900907.html

[zenith]

Will become next Wales manager after Coleman leaves, potentially in June if we lose. Bellamy to become assistant and Osian to keep his role with all levels.

[fireboy0610]

Oh great😩

How is he going to keep the team morale up when he couldn't be bothered to turn up for us when he played

Not happy at all

[gwernybwch]

This thread might run..... I'm waiting to see how many replies there will be in the next hour and a bit.