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Giggs
Oct 8, 2020 15:53:14 GMT
Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2020 15:53:14 GMT
its funny how this is still even a thread! hopefully everyone is behind him now
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 8, 2020 15:58:04 GMT
Well this is just the generic "Ryan Giggs thread" now
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Giggs
Oct 9, 2020 6:31:38 GMT
Post by aberbeeg on Oct 9, 2020 6:31:38 GMT
Definitely got it WRONG tonight. 5-0 wouldn’t have flattened England. At times it was men against boys
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 9, 2020 8:25:14 GMT
Definitely got it WRONG tonight. 5-0 wouldn’t have flattened England. At times it was men against boys 5-0 would most certainly have flattered England & I thought 3-0 flattered them. People are forgetting that we were the better team first half & made the better chances - we only made the one mistake. We also started the 2nd half better too on the balance of play - but again made mistakes. It was only after we 3-0 down that England started being the dominant team I'm not even sure we can say Giggs got it wrong per se. Tactical setups or different personnel wouldn't have prevented Mepham from making those errors if he was on the pitch. Most of us would have picked Mepham to start - so I don't see how that's a mistake from Giggs If you think he got it wrong that's your right - but I'd like to know where you think he got it wrong & what you'd have done differently to remedy it
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Oct 9, 2020 8:46:33 GMT
1. We shouldn't have played this game really. 2. It give some of the your lads a taste of international 3. There is a more important game are Sunday
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Post by georgetm1 on Oct 9, 2020 9:39:29 GMT
We didn't have Brook, Wilson, Bale, Ramsey, Kanu and James playing last night. That is a large chunk of our squad and remember, the only reason England has so many more players available to them is that they have 20X our population. We can only work with what we have and we will never get to the point where we have 50-80 million people to choose from like the other larger European nations. The game was pointless, I think it was forced by UEFA because every other UEFA country is playing 3 games during a worldwide pandemic and we had the majority of our attack and midfield missing.
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 9, 2020 9:40:57 GMT
Yeah we had to play a friendly but we didn’t have to play England at Wembley. It was only ever going to benefit them, not us.
Bad decision.
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Giggs
Oct 9, 2020 9:47:53 GMT
Post by georgetm1 on Oct 9, 2020 9:47:53 GMT
I think that time when Wales and Romania took the piss with not playing friendlies around 5-6 years ago to get higher rankings has finally bitten us on the arse. We found a loophole, took advantage, UEFA closed it and then doubled down on the friendlies.
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Giggs
Oct 9, 2020 9:51:05 GMT
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Post by cadno on Oct 9, 2020 9:51:05 GMT
Definitely got it WRONG tonight. 5-0 wouldn’t have flattened England. At times it was men against boys 5-0 would most certainly have flattered England & I thought 3-0 flattered them. People are forgetting that we were the better team first half & made the better chances - we only made the one mistake. We also started the 2nd half better too on the balance of play - but again made mistakes. It was only after we 3-0 down that England started being the dominant team I'm not even sure we can say Giggs got it wrong per se. Tactical setups or different personnel wouldn't have prevented Mepham from making those errors if he was on the pitch. Most of us would have picked Mepham to start - so I don't see how that's a mistake from Giggs If you think he got it wrong that's your right - but I'd like to know where you think he got it wrong & what you'd have done differently to remedy it Agree Allez! We played well in large spells, it's just a shame we didn't have Vokes of Doidge to come on for Moore. We also know there's work to do to improve defensively against the best sides. Chris Coleman was complimenting Coady for all his organising from the back, perhaps we miss someone like Ashley Williams in that respect. Remember some fans overreacting after losing 3-0 Vs Sweden. There's bigger games ahead.
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Giggs
Oct 9, 2020 9:58:22 GMT
Post by walesgolfmadrid on Oct 9, 2020 9:58:22 GMT
Yeah we had to play a friendly but we didn’t have to play England at Wembley. It was only ever going to benefit them, not us. Bad decision. Agreed, never liked the game, hopefully some lessons have been learnt from those deciding to play a game like this against England. To be honest even though we didn't play well second half, and lost comfortably, I'm just glad it's over, especially with some of the recent scorelines that have been happening.
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Post by dlwilliams on Oct 9, 2020 12:00:30 GMT
Yeah we had to play a friendly but we didn’t have to play England at Wembley. It was only ever going to benefit them, not us. Bad decision. Probably done for logistical reasons. Is there anyone else we could've played? I suppose in terms of distance, the next choice was France, but then the score line could've been even worse!
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Giggs
Oct 9, 2020 12:39:49 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 9, 2020 12:39:49 GMT
Yeah we had to play a friendly but we didn’t have to play England at Wembley. It was only ever going to benefit them, not us. Bad decision. Probably done for logistical reasons. Is there anyone else we could've played? I suppose in terms of distance, the next choice was France, but then the score line could've been even worse! By comparison France just beat Ukraine (League A team) 7-2 in a friendly! I think a 3-0 due to set pieces isn't the worst result in the context of that
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Giggs
Oct 9, 2020 12:52:58 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Oct 9, 2020 12:52:58 GMT
5-0 would most certainly have flattered England & I thought 3-0 flattered them. People are forgetting that we were the better team first half & made the better chances - we only made the one mistake. We also started the 2nd half better too on the balance of play - but again made mistakes. It was only after we 3-0 down that England started being the dominant team I'm not even sure we can say Giggs got it wrong per se. Tactical setups or different personnel wouldn't have prevented Mepham from making those errors if he was on the pitch. Most of us would have picked Mepham to start - so I don't see how that's a mistake from Giggs If you think he got it wrong that's your right - but I'd like to know where you think he got it wrong & what you'd have done differently to remedy it Agree Allez! We played well in large spells, it's just a shame we didn't have Vokes of Doidge to come on for Moore. We also know there's work to do to improve defensively against the best sides. Chris Coleman was complimenting Coady for all his organising from the back, perhaps we miss someone like Ashley Williams in that respect. Remember some fans overreacting after losing 3-0 Vs Sweden. There's bigger games ahead. This! I immediately thought about the Sweden friendly.
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 9, 2020 15:27:22 GMT
Definitely got it WRONG tonight. 5-0 wouldn’t have flattened England. At times it was men against boys 5-0 would most certainly have flattered England & I thought 3-0 flattered them. People are forgetting that we were the better team first half & made the better chances - we only made the one mistake. We also started the 2nd half better too on the balance of play - but again made mistakes. It was only after we 3-0 down that England started being the dominant team I'm not even sure we can say Giggs got it wrong per se. Tactical setups or different personnel wouldn't have prevented Mepham from making those errors if he was on the pitch. Most of us would have picked Mepham to start - so I don't see how that's a mistake from GiggsIf you think he got it wrong that's your right - but I'd like to know where you think he got it wrong & what you'd have done differently to remedy itIf only there was a Welsh central defender that has experience in playing against the likes of Portugal, Belgium, England and the Netherlands that could have been picked.
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Giggs
Oct 9, 2020 15:37:26 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 9, 2020 15:37:26 GMT
Surely this game was played to top up the depleted coffers of the Welsh and English FA with tv money.
Remember they are suffering in these timea with massive losses in revenue.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 9, 2020 15:41:12 GMT
So our Ryan cannot be blamed for this friendly against England..
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Post by alarch on Oct 9, 2020 16:04:08 GMT
I have really mixed feelings about Giggs in relation to this game. The gegenpress early doors was very impressive, and if we'd had a bit more quality on the pitch in advanced areas (by the way do we know why Brooks and Wilson didn't feature?) we might have taken advantage of winning possession in advanced areas on several occasions. Also, given that only Allen was missing first half from our strongest defence and defensive mid duo, he could reasonably have expected better than we saw for the opening goal.
Having said all that I think he missed a trick not going with a back 5 and mirroring England's formation. I don't think it's a coincidence that when Giggs has been bold against decent or quality opposition with tactics and personnel, in spite of notable absences, we've often come unstuck (Croatia and Hungary away, England last night) we've come unstuck. When he's been more cautious (as in the recent NL double-header) we've got the results, even if fortuitously so.
Giggs needs to acquire a more pragmatic streak, which that recent double header suggested might be developing. Hopefully last night was another useful lesson for him as he evolves as a manager and learns how to balance ambition and pragmatism.
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Giggs
Oct 9, 2020 16:27:58 GMT
Post by jbt95 on Oct 9, 2020 16:27:58 GMT
Surely this game was played to top up the depleted coffers of the Welsh and English FA with tv money. Remember they are suffering in these timea with massive losses in revenue. The FAW have previously said they have budgeted for no crowds to return before next autumn, still in profit.
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Giggs
Oct 9, 2020 19:37:32 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Oct 9, 2020 19:37:32 GMT
Surely this game was played to top up the depleted coffers of the Welsh and English FA with tv money. Remember they are suffering in these timea with massive losses in revenue. The FAW have previously said they have budgeted for no crowds to return before next autumn, still in profit. Ahh ok bro.
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Post by pendragon on Oct 9, 2020 20:23:29 GMT
Yeah we had to play a friendly but we didn’t have to play England at Wembley. It was only ever going to benefit them, not us. Bad decision. Probably done for logistical reasons. Is there anyone else we could've played? I suppose in terms of distance, the next choice was France, but then the score line could've been even worse! Belgium play England in Wembley during this double-header. I'm sure it wouldn't have been too much bother to ask them to stop over in Cardiff before they flew to Wembley. Yes, the scoreline wouldn't have flattered but our youngsters might still have gotten a run-out against the best team in the world without the drama that an England fixture provided. I wonder which bright spark at the FAW thought this was a great idea?
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Giggs
Oct 11, 2020 15:50:40 GMT
Post by dai on Oct 11, 2020 15:50:40 GMT
Hmmm.......
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Giggs
Oct 11, 2020 15:58:28 GMT
Post by manulike on Oct 11, 2020 15:58:28 GMT
Now now ...
We are still a team in progress, with plenty of positives to take from today. Loads of young players gaining important minutes under their belts, in very testing circumstances.
At this level, its not about winning every game. Today was more about not loosing.
Top the NL group and then get to the Euro 2021 games with loads more experience.
Upwards and onwards to Qatar 2022!
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Post by dai on Oct 11, 2020 16:06:45 GMT
Tbh, my gripe is with the young players. And let's be honest, some of these will not make it in a few years time, so why not play some actual club hardened footballers, who could arguably contribute much more?
Levit for example is only there because of the United connection.
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Giggs
Oct 11, 2020 16:07:49 GMT
Post by gimli on Oct 11, 2020 16:07:49 GMT
I don't think Giggs knows what he's doing. I have no idea what his tactics are beyond aimlessly passing the ball around and hoping that the opposition gifts us a chance. We desperately lack penetration and have struggled to create chances for a while now, and there have been no real signs of Giggs improving things at all over the past four games.
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Post by underwood on Oct 11, 2020 16:32:50 GMT
How often has Giggs been able to pick Ramsey, Allen & Bale in the same side? I reckon it’s about a quarter of his games in charge. Any manager that has to do without their best & most influential players on a regular basis is going to face a stiff task.
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Post by alarch on Oct 11, 2020 16:41:12 GMT
How often has Giggs been able to pick Ramsey, Allen & Bale in the same side? I reckon it’s about a quarter of his games in charge. Any manager that has to do without their best & most influential players on a regular basis is going to face a stiff task. As many as a quarter? It doesn't let Giggs completely off the hook, but it's no coincidence that by far our best performances (ROI 4-1 away, and Hungary 2-0) have come when they're all available.
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Giggs
Oct 11, 2020 16:43:23 GMT
Post by dai on Oct 11, 2020 16:43:23 GMT
How often has Giggs picked players who haven't kicked a ball in months over players who are playing regular football?
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Giggs
Oct 11, 2020 16:47:22 GMT
Post by dai on Oct 11, 2020 16:47:22 GMT
Look at the other NL scorelines tonight.......Armenia, Estonia, Lithuania, North Macedonia all on the scoresheet, yet we can't hit a barn door with the likes of Brooks, James, Ramsey and a giant CF.
It's a very concerning problem, and something I can't see Giggs rectifying.
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Giggs
Oct 11, 2020 17:01:59 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 11, 2020 17:01:59 GMT
Look at the other NL scorelines tonight.......Armenia, Estonia, Lithuania, North Macedonia all on the scoresheet, yet we can't hit a barn door with the likes of Brooks, James, Ramsey and a giant CF. It's a very concerning problem, and something I can't see Giggs rectifying. Come on! We were playing Ireland - most of their team play in the division above us. No comparison to playing against league D teams!
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Giggs
Oct 11, 2020 17:04:17 GMT
Post by dai on Oct 11, 2020 17:04:17 GMT
Look at the other NL scorelines tonight.......Armenia, Estonia, Lithuania, North Macedonia all on the scoresheet, yet we can't hit a barn door with the likes of Brooks, James, Ramsey and a giant CF. It's a very concerning problem, and something I can't see Giggs rectifying. Come on! We were playing Ireland - most of their team play in the division above us. No comparison to playing against league D teams! The reality of it is we'd struggle to put goals past a team of any standard at the moment. I wouldn't bet on us scoring against anyone at the moment, including those above.
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