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Oct 15, 2020 14:06:15 GMT
Post by squatter1 on Oct 15, 2020 14:06:15 GMT
My problem with the idea of 3-4-3/5-3-3 or whatever is that our squad is completely lacking wingbacks on the left. If people are excited about us using wing backs then that means getting excited about seeing a lot more of RND, currently a Luton player. Davies can play there, but we all know he's better at LB or LCB. The idea that 3-4-3 suits the squad we have is not true. Our riches are in attacking midfield/wide players. We've got players suited to the system. Neco and Connor Roberts are better at right-wing back, Joe Rodon's best position is in the middle of the back three, Ben Davies best position is left centre-back in a back three, Chris Mepham and Ben Cabango are both playing in that right centre-back in a back three for their clubs and Norrington-Davies is well suited to that left wing-back role that he'll have played plenty. Our current crisis positions are striker and central midfield, for which we don't have two good players per position (we don't really have even one top player in the striker role to be fair.) Playing with wing backs creates another crisis position at LWB, where we don't have two good players - just an untried rookie (RND), a LB not really suited to LWB (Davies) or currently pie-in-the-sky hopes such as Dan James being remoulded as a wing back (great idea, would love to see it, but let's face it, it's a pipe dream currently). Also, playing three at the back means now we need 6 good CBs instead of 4 in the squad (which we don't have) and means there's more pressure for Amps to play CB at this point in time where he's needed to alleviate CM crisis (which isn't going away - even when Allen is back, we still need Amps to partner him to save us from having to play kids who can't even get a game in the championship) I don't think WBs is a good move for us right now, to be honest I don't really know what it was about Bulgaria that meant Giggs think we should play that way in the first place. Our current run of competitive clean sheets is based on 4 at the back, and the fact the formation worked out last night could well be more down to the fact Bulgaria really are shite - easily the worst team in the group (currently rock bottom of the table). So even if you are a WB supporter, I wouldn't get too excited over that formation on the basis of last night's win.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Oct 15, 2020 14:31:40 GMT
We've got players suited to the system. Neco and Connor Roberts are better at right-wing back, Joe Rodon's best position is in the middle of the back three, Ben Davies best position is left centre-back in a back three, Chris Mepham and Ben Cabango are both playing in that right centre-back in a back three for their clubs and Norrington-Davies is well suited to that left wing-back role that he'll have played plenty. Our current crisis positions are striker and central midfield, for which we don't have two good players per position (we don't really have even one top player in the striker role to be fair.) Playing with wing backs creates another crisis position at LWB, where we don't have two good players - just an untried rookie (RND), a LB not really suited to LWB (Davies) or currently pie-in-the-sky hopes such as Dan James being remoulded as a wing back (great idea, would love to see it, but let's face it, it's a pipe dream currently). Also, playing three at the back means now we need 6 good CBs instead of 4 in the squad (which we don't have) and means there's more pressure for Amps to play CB at this point in time where he's needed to alleviate CM crisis (which isn't going away - even when Allen is back, we still need Amps to partner him to save us from having to play kids who can't even get a game in the championship) I don't think WBs is a good move for us right now, to be honest I don't really know what it was about Bulgaria that meant Giggs think we should play that way in the first place. Our current run of competitive clean sheets is based on 4 at the back, and the fact the formation worked out last night could well be more down to the fact Bulgaria really are shite - easily the worst team in the group (currently rock bottom of the table). So even if you are a WB supporter, I wouldn't get too excited over that formation on the basis of last night's win. If it is the best system for a game, then we should be playing it. We shouldn't be stressing about a couple of positions because of a potential lack of depth, ultimately we're one injury or suspension for having the same amount of depth at left-wing back as we do at left-back. If we're moving forward with this formation then there's the likes of Neil Taylor, Andrew Hughes and Morgan Fox, who can be called upon. I don't think that represents a crisis. We do have six good centre-backs (Rodon, Mepham, Davies, Ampadu, Cabango, Lockyer), and in terms of a squad Ampadu is always going to be able to make up one of the cover centre-backs in the squad even if he's playing in midfield. The point is though that so many of the players Mepham, Ampadu, Rodon, Davies, Roberts and N. Williams are going to excel in that formation. We've done well with four at the back too, but when the games right then we should play with five for me. If we were to get promoted to Nations League A, then it's what we should be using, it gives us a lot more security defensively to have another body back there.
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Giggs
Oct 15, 2020 14:43:26 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 15, 2020 14:43:26 GMT
Our best centre back is not even in contention right now. Time for Giggs to speak to James Chester and sound him out for a return, especially with the Euros around the corner. His experience would be a positive with so many youngsters in the squad.
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Giggs
Oct 15, 2020 15:35:51 GMT
Post by rangers15 on Oct 15, 2020 15:35:51 GMT
Our best centre back is not even in contention right now. Time for Giggs to speak to James Chester and sound him out for a return, especially with the Euros around the corner. His experience would be a positive with so many youngsters in the squad. is James Chester (with a chronic knee injury) really our best centre back? I haven't seen any of stokes games this season, but he must be doing well if he is out preforming Rodon and Cabango at the Swans.
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Post by barry on Oct 15, 2020 19:09:28 GMT
6 clean sheets in a row and some arguing we need to change the defence.
Some right beauts on here.
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Post by manulike on Oct 15, 2020 19:11:48 GMT
6 clean sheets in a row and some arguing we need to change the defence. Some right beauts on here. #BringBackNeilTaylor ;-)
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 22:54:11 GMT
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Post by harry on Nov 2, 2020 22:54:11 GMT
Been arrested on suspicion of smacking his Mrs. I’m his biggest lapdog/fan but if true he has to go.
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:03:08 GMT
Post by dai on Nov 2, 2020 23:03:08 GMT
He'll be gone anyway based on this. Who replaces him, and at such short notice for the upcoming games? Care taker manager?
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:03:45 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 2, 2020 23:03:45 GMT
Been arrested on suspicion of smacking his Mrs. I’m his biggest lapdog/fan but if true he has to go. Difficult one, I think we have to stand by him until he pleads guilty or is found guilty. Certainly will be a huge distraction for us. Absolutely agree though if he’s guilty he can’t stay on.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 2, 2020 23:06:23 GMT
Absolute idiot if true. That’s his career in management over just as it was taking off.
Hopefully it’s bollocks as it is the s*n but few more starting to run with it now.
Can’t believe he’d be such a twat.
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Nov 2, 2020 23:06:59 GMT
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Post by harry on Nov 2, 2020 23:06:59 GMT
Been arrested on suspicion of smacking his Mrs. I’m his biggest lapdog/fan but if true he has to go. Difficult one, I think we have to stand by him until he pleads guilty or is found guilty. Certainly will be a huge distraction for us. Absolutely agree though if he’s guilty he can’t stay on. 100% Innocent until proven guilty, if guilty though he has to go.
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Nov 2, 2020 23:07:52 GMT
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Nov 2, 2020 23:07:52 GMT
He'll be gone anyway based on this. Who replaces him, and at such short notice for the upcoming games? Care taker manager? Page i reckon. Can’t see the squad being fully focused now- don’t blame them either. Advantage Finland.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 2, 2020 23:08:08 GMT
He'll be gone anyway based on this. Who replaces him, and at such short notice for the upcoming games? Care taker manager? Guarantee someone will mention Christian Doidge player/manager.
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:10:49 GMT
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Nov 2, 2020 23:10:49 GMT
He'll be gone anyway based on this. Who replaces him, and at such short notice for the upcoming games? Care taker manager? Page i reckon. Can’t see the squad being fully focused now- don’t blame them either. Advantage Finland. Then hopefully Osian Roberts. But even he’s early into his Morroco job.. I’d imagine Cooper, Robinson and Jones will be focused on club management rn. I’d like a Cymro/aes to be manager tbh. There is a C.Coleman out of work currently though...
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 2, 2020 23:19:44 GMT
Unbelievable. Awful timing as well. I guess it's a case of waiting to see what happens, I'm not going to view a sun article, so I'll wait and see what other articles say tomorrow. Obviously there's meant to be a squad announcement tomorrow as well, and there's every chance Rob Page takes over for these games. It's definitely a distraction though.
Working with the hypothetical, if we've got to replace him longer term, the managers I'd want to see in the job would be any of Osian Roberts, Steve Cooper or Carl Robinson. Out of those, the most suitable would be Osian Roberts.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 2, 2020 23:19:45 GMT
We’ll see on this one. Pointless jumping the gun because of a Murdoch headline
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:19:46 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 2, 2020 23:19:46 GMT
Page followed by Craig Bellamy? Would love to see Osian Roberts but seems like he’s enjoying Morocco. Not that he wouldn’t do it but think he’d have to be given the job rather than apply and annoy Morocco over a failed application.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 2, 2020 23:23:43 GMT
Official comment from a FAW spokesperson on Giggs: “The FAW is aware of an alleged incident involving the men’s national team manager Ryan Giggs. The FAW will be making no further comment at this current time.”
That was a tweet by Beth Fisher from ITV Wales, more outlets running it now. Seems pretty official. Nice one Giggs you utter bellend.
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Nov 2, 2020 23:24:45 GMT
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 2, 2020 23:24:45 GMT
If true this is a nightmare and will cause massive disruption to the squad. We’re on the verge of promotion to League A with a packed schedule of WC qualifiers and the Euros next year. Unbelievable.
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Nov 2, 2020 23:26:53 GMT
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Post by harry on Nov 2, 2020 23:26:53 GMT
“Utter bellend” “has to go” Pitchforks away, lads nothing has been proved yet
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:29:53 GMT
Post by dai on Nov 2, 2020 23:29:53 GMT
“Utter bellend” “has to go” Pitchforks away, lads nothing has been proved yet Yes, correct. But it doesn't look good does it? And the long term aside, he won't be in charge for the upcoming games, which are pretty damn important. Worrying, very worrying.
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:32:23 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 2, 2020 23:32:23 GMT
“Utter bellend” “has to go” Pitchforks away, lads nothing has been proved yet Title of the thread couldn’t be more fitting. He maybe guilty and could have potentially done a lot of harm to her, but it’s for the investigation to decide. Our society used to be innocent until proven guilty. We should really wait for the facts rather than judge him on an accusation.
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Nov 2, 2020 23:33:08 GMT
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Post by harry on Nov 2, 2020 23:33:08 GMT
“Utter bellend” “has to go” Pitchforks away, lads nothing has been proved yet Yes, correct. But the evidence doesn't look good does it? And the long term aside, he won't be in charge for the upcoming games, which are pretty damn important. Worrying, very worrying. It doesn’t, but to be calling for his head based on a Sun article is pathetic. See what happens and how it pans out
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Post by superunknown on Nov 2, 2020 23:35:36 GMT
“Utter bellend” “has to go” Pitchforks away, lads nothing has been proved yet Girlfriend had minor injuries, police attended because of a disturbance, Giggs was arrested on charges of ABH and assault. He’s obviously innocent until proven guilty but these stories don’t have a happy ending.
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Nov 2, 2020 23:35:39 GMT
Yes, correct. But the evidence doesn't look good does it? And the long term aside, he won't be in charge for the upcoming games, which are pretty damn important. Worrying, very worrying. It doesn’t, but to be calling for his head based on a Sun article is pathetic. See what happens and how it pans out It’s not based on a Sun article mate. Yes they broke the news but it’s unfortunately the arrest is a fact. Speculation will naturally happen. If he’s guilty, he should/will go. That’s the only choice that the FAW can make.
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:37:22 GMT
Post by marsvolta on Nov 2, 2020 23:37:22 GMT
“Utter bellend” “has to go” Pitchforks away, lads nothing has been proved yet There’s too many media outlets reporting it for it not to be true unfortunately. We’ll be looking for a new manager very soon, that’s guaranteed
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:38:19 GMT
Post by dai on Nov 2, 2020 23:38:19 GMT
If it was labelled an 'incident' then I wouldn't jump to conclusions, but he has been arrested for ABH. Looks pretty damn ominous.
Big shame, I actually thought a Ryan Giggs Wales could do well in the Euro's.
It's just never ending following Wales isn't it? Bloody hell.
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:41:03 GMT
Post by marsvolta on Nov 2, 2020 23:41:03 GMT
“Utter bellend” “has to go” Pitchforks away, lads nothing has been proved yet Girlfriend had minor injuries, police attended because of a disturbance, Giggs was arrested on charges of ABH and assault. He’s obviously innocent until proven guilty but these stories don’t have a happy ending. Exactly, we can clutch straws as much as we like but it’s hard to see how these facts you just quoted can result in anything other than him being found guilty. FAW have also put out a statement
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:41:33 GMT
Post by robin1864 on Nov 2, 2020 23:41:33 GMT
Page i reckon. Can’t see the squad being fully focused now- don’t blame them either. Advantage Finland. Then hopefully Osian Roberts. But even he’s early into his Morroco job.. I’d imagine Cooper, Robinson and Jones will be focused on club management rn. I’d like a Cymro/aes to be manager tbh. There is a C.Coleman out of work currently though... Dutch Ray?!?!!
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Nov 2, 2020 23:43:54 GMT
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Post by harry on Nov 2, 2020 23:43:54 GMT
“Utter bellend” “has to go” Pitchforks away, lads nothing has been proved yet Girlfriend had minor injuries, police attended because of a disturbance, Giggs was arrested on charges of ABH and assault. He’s obviously innocent until proven guilty but these stories don’t have a happy ending. Nothing has been proved yet - Key words. I am not standing up for him for a second but let’s see what happens. If guilty then he has to go, until then he is innocent.
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