harry
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:45:41 GMT
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Post by harry on Nov 2, 2020 23:45:41 GMT
As for anyone suggestion Osian Roberts, no chance. It would be a disaster (happy to be proven wrong) Too many egos and he has no experience of managing (not coaching) at any level.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 2, 2020 23:50:27 GMT
Bellamy got investigated for bullying at Cardiff didn’t he? Not sure how dim a view the FAW would take of that but not gonna stand him in great stead if he’s a contender again.
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:51:21 GMT
Post by marsvolta on Nov 2, 2020 23:51:21 GMT
Girlfriend had minor injuries, police attended because of a disturbance, Giggs was arrested on charges of ABH and assault. He’s obviously innocent until proven guilty but these stories don’t have a happy ending. Nothing has been proved yet - Key words. I am not standing up for him for a second but let’s see what happens. If guilty then he has to go, until then he is innocent. I think we all agree with this in general but what everyone is saying is that it isn’t looking good and the chance of him being found innocent are looking slim.
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Giggs
Nov 2, 2020 23:54:22 GMT
Post by iot on Nov 2, 2020 23:54:22 GMT
Girlfriend had minor injuries, police attended because of a disturbance, Giggs was arrested on charges of ABH and assault. He’s obviously innocent until proven guilty but these stories don’t have a happy ending. Nothing has been proved yet - Key words. I am not standing up for him for a second but let’s see what happens. If guilty then he has to go, until then he is innocent. Obviously, in legal terms, he's innocent until proven guilty. But that doesn't mean the FAW cannot take action. If there is a court case, the legal process will likely take months - possibly without an outcome until after the euros and certainly beyond a host of important games. I can't see giggs staying in the role with this hanging over him and, more importantly, hanging over Welsh football - particularly if the facts become more damning. In a situation where it is clear that he's assaulted his girlfriend, but the case hasn't closed and so technically he remains innocent, I can't see how the FAW could keep him in the role. Bloody hell, with this and the ched evans case, it doesn't exactly paint a positive image of Welsh football to the world...
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harry
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 0:00:28 GMT
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Post by harry on Nov 3, 2020 0:00:28 GMT
“Chances are slim” “Ched Evans”
Who knows what the chances are? You’re basing an opinion based on a Sun article, as for the Ched Evans reference, he was as much a rapist as he was a top level striker, as was proven.
Pitchforks away, leave the investigation take its course and see what happens.
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 0:04:32 GMT
Post by ae15 on Nov 3, 2020 0:04:32 GMT
Of course innocent until proven guilty matters, but the story is clearly true or the FAW wouldn't have delayed the squad announcement tomorrow. If the story is true and he has been arrested then he's brought the FAW into disrepute. He should be gone ASAP.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 3, 2020 0:11:49 GMT
FAW has only itself to blame here. We all knew he was a morally bankrupt former player with little commitment to representing Wales.
Quelle surprise he allegedly does something which makes his position untenable and makes our WC qualification path even more difficult.
Giggs I don't really blame, FAW need to question their judgment.
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 0:37:38 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Nov 3, 2020 0:37:38 GMT
Pointless assuming. Lets wait and see
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 7:26:22 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 3, 2020 7:26:22 GMT
FAW has only itself to blame here. We all knew he was a morally bankrupt former player with little commitment to representing Wales. Quelle surprise he allegedly does something which makes his position untenable and makes our WC qualification path even more difficult. Giggs I don't really blame, FAW need to question their judgment. Sore head this morning?
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 7:40:58 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 3, 2020 7:40:58 GMT
Giggs has denied it.
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 7:43:30 GMT
Post by aberbeeg on Nov 3, 2020 7:43:30 GMT
Seems like the arrest for ABH and assault are true. The FAW have quickly cancelled the squad announcement press conference for today.
Unless the police quickly drop this case then I can’t see how he can carry on. Even if he was managing a small club side I think he would step down.
I have a feeling he will step down Before it becomes a media circus which certainly won’t do anyone any good.
Just when he had won over his doubters
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 8:06:54 GMT
Post by aberbeeg on Nov 3, 2020 8:06:54 GMT
Spent all day drinking with Neville at hotel football watching the United vs arsenal game.
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 8:28:35 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 3, 2020 8:28:35 GMT
Spent all day drinking with Neville at hotel football watching the United vs arsenal game. If you're talking about Gary Neville, he was commentating on the game.
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 3, 2020 8:42:04 GMT
Resignation guaranteed then if more comes out.
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 8:43:27 GMT
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Post by welshrover on Nov 3, 2020 8:43:27 GMT
There is a C.Coleman out of work currently though... With A. Williams as stand in assistant?
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 3, 2020 9:03:13 GMT
Anything to miss another friendly
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 3, 2020 9:17:35 GMT
Anything to miss another friendly Hopefully that's taken into mitigation, it's been hard work watching us for the past few games.
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 9:28:53 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Nov 3, 2020 9:28:53 GMT
Unbelievable its not taken long for the Ryan haters to make an appearence.
Were you in the house then?
He is innocent until found guilty.
So let the law do the work.
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Post by superunknown on Nov 3, 2020 9:33:02 GMT
Unbelievable its not taken long for the Ryan haters to make an appearence. Were you in the house then? He is innocent until found guilty. So let the law do the work. Oh cool so should we just pretend nothings happened? It’s almost like this is a message board to discuss the trials and tribulations of Welsh football.
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 3, 2020 9:33:53 GMT
Unbelievable its not taken long for the Ryan haters to make an appearence. Were you in the house then? He is innocent until found guilty. So let the law do the work. I think he won over most people on here, but he's got form for being morally bankrupt which people don't forget, so what do you expect?
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 9:36:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 9:36:09 GMT
Chris Coleman was very likeable and Giggs simply isn't
We are in a fantastic position, in a tournament and top of the nations league group
Yet people wouldnt be that miffed if he went. He cannot build that atmosphere or following
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Post by evans1282 on Nov 3, 2020 9:40:01 GMT
Unbelievable its not taken long for the Ryan haters to make an appearence. Were you in the house then? He is innocent until found guilty. So let the law do the work. I was not a hater just not a liker,my opinion is ,it's an arrest,that in itself means little,has he been charged? That would change things ,yes innocent till proven guilty but a court case would reflect on the FAW,so if charged he has to be put on "gardening leave " if not charged for me that's the end of the matter .
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 10:16:58 GMT
Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 3, 2020 10:16:58 GMT
lets see the full story and facts.... the sun and shit tabloids will be loving this.
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 10:18:57 GMT
Post by llan123 on Nov 3, 2020 10:18:57 GMT
Why are people using this news as an opportunity to bash his record with us? This doesn't change his excellent performance with us to date. It does make his position untenable however. Sun headline or not he has been arrested for ABH for hitting his girlfriend, a charge he has now denied. There are very few circumstances he would retain his job in this situation.
Question is, will he walk or will the FAW sack him?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 3, 2020 10:40:12 GMT
Long post incoming
Given what we learned about the situation regarding his brother's wife I've never been fond of Giggs' character as a person. However, when he was given the job I decided it was time to leave my personal feelings towards him at the door, as supporting our country is more important
I've never been a hater, and I think all managers deserve leniency when they're starting a new job. I always understood what he was trying to achieve with this team & even when results weren't great I supported him as our manager because I saw his vision. Since results have turned for the better I think he's really come into his own as a manager - and he's achieved some quite remarkable things with us. I've been really looking forward to where we are going under him, and I think from purely a footballing perspective he deserves a lot of praise
Now with this news out it's time for my personal feelings to return. I completely believe in innocent until proven guilty, however, based on what we know about him this really is troubling. It's been reported that the police had been alerted to a domestic disturbance and that his girlfriend had minor injuries. I'm not sure why anyone would report these two things if they weren't true - they don't seem like unbelievable things to happen. If the police have initially arrested him, there must have at least been some obvious evidence of this at the scene. If Giggs didn't have a history of moral bankruptcy then perhaps we could wait this out to see what happens. Because he does I think it would be too damaging to the FAW's brand to wait it out. Whilst he's done a good job for us he's not untouchable and I think this could get messy, without going away for a long long time (these things are never resolved quickly). We can't afford a protracted period of this hanging over our head
The FAW have worked so hard to develop the women's game in our country. Can we afford to have a men's team manager who has potentially committed a violent act against a woman? What sort of message would that send, even if it's only speculated at this point?
I'm honestly so disappointed in him. He's not an easy character to warm to, but all the positive results we've achieved I feel a lot of us were warming to him slowly. But this is part of what disturbs me most. He's so quiet, mild, unassuming & passion-less in the way he presents himself to us as fans, and the world in general. So then when you hear he's slept with his brother's wife and allegedly hit his girlfriend is makes me feel really uneasy about him, and he comes across as completely dishonest. I don't want to feel that way towards our national team manager
At the end of the day he's not the be all and end all of our country's footballing landscape, despite him doing a really good job in my opinion. I don't think he deserves to stay at this point, and I think it would take some pretty compelling evidence to turn this around, that I can't see happening in the short term. Any good faith he'd built with the Welsh public is now gone. For me it's time to move on. Thank you for your contribution Giggs, I'll always wonder what could have been but I won't feel sad to see someone of his character gone
Get Cookie back now!
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 10:40:26 GMT
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Post by evans1282 on Nov 3, 2020 10:40:26 GMT
Why are people using this news as an opportunity to bash his record with us? This doesn't change his excellent performance with us to date. It does make his position untenable however. Sun headline or not he has been arrested for ABH for hitting his girlfriend, a charge he has now denied. There are very few circumstances he would retain his job in this situation. Big difference between arrested and charged,position not "untenable" but if charged must go on paid gardening leave if found guilty dismissed. Question is, will he walk or will the FAW sack him?
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 10:44:33 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 3, 2020 10:44:33 GMT
I don’t know what all these letters mean when it comes to assault. Could he have had a heated argument with his girlfriend, went to leave the house, his girlfriend tried to stop him and she fell over hurting herself when he tried pushing past her? Or would that not be an assault investigation?
There is lots of ways people can hurt people with absolutely no intention, accidents can happen, obviously though there’s also plenty of ways people get hurt with intention.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 3, 2020 10:45:41 GMT
Let's wait for the Police to finish their investigations before passing a judgement on Giggs here. However, if found guilty he should be sacked asap. I didn't want him as coach in the first place, but innocent before proved guilty.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 3, 2020 10:53:09 GMT
He's been arrested under suspicion of violating section 39 & 47. Here's an explanation of what this means that I found online::
"A section 39 assault the catch all term for common assault, battery and assault by beating. They are the least serious form of assault and are when there is an assault but no injury. Strictly speaking, a common assault is when there has been no actual contact and the victim has been ‘caused to apprehend immediate unlawful violence.’ A battery or assault by beating is when there has been contact but no injuries caused."
So that sounds like she had to hold him off to prevent him from harming her.
"The offence is committed when a person assaults another, thereby causing Actual Bodily Harm (ABH). This can mean a bruise or a minor graze.
Section 47 Assault is an either way offence which means it can be dealt with in the Magistrates’ Court or the Crown Court, most often we see cases being dealt with at the Crown Court.
In the Crown Court the offence carries a maximum sentence of five years imprisonment. There are sentencing guidelines for all assault offences and our solicitors will be able to advise you where your case falls within those guidelines."
I don't think they'd have arrested him for this if she didn't have some sort of injury. Not good
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Giggs
Nov 3, 2020 10:53:35 GMT
Post by superunknown on Nov 3, 2020 10:53:35 GMT
I don’t know what all these letters mean when it comes to assault. Could he have had a heated argument with his girlfriend, went to leave the house, his girlfriend tried to stop him and she fell over hurting herself when he tried pushing past her? Or would that not be an assault investigation? There is lots of ways people can hurt people with absolutely no intention, accidents can happen, obviously though there’s also plenty of ways people get hurt with intention. It's of course possible. However, the question is then if it was just an argument and a resulting accident then 1. why were the police called? It's a fair answer to then say the neighbours called them (if he lives somewhere where he has close neighbours) and 2. when the police arrived if it was just an accident surely his girlfriend would have said as much. There seems to be too much evidence for Giggs to be able to keep his job at this point.
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