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Post by insertname on Nov 3, 2020 16:10:24 GMT
And look how the court of public opinion treats people. Caroline Flack was considered a victim of domestic violence by the public whereas Giggs has already been banged up and the key thrown away. We are always throwing the baby out with the bath water in this country when it comes to justice, especially with regard to men. If we truly believe in innocent until proven guilty then Giggs should be able to continue until he is found guilty. It’s not like his core work involves working with women, children or other vulnerable people. Er, not to be pedantic, but Caroline Flack was not considered to be a victim of domestic violence. She was being prosecuted for alleged offences relating to it. The burden of proof in civil and disciplinary matters is not the same as those in criminal proceedings. You can be disciplined - or sacked - by your employer even if you are found to have committed no crime. If you are found to have engaged in any conduct that brings your employment or employer's business into disrepute, they have the right to sack you, if such conduct is prohibited by the terms of your contract. I am NOT saying that this situation should apply to Giggs, just pointing out that he doesn't necessarily need to be found guilty in a court of law to be sacked from his employment. Of course, our employment rights are some of the worst in the developed world, it’s a piece of cake to contrive a sackable offence these days with companies looking for the slightest comment on social media to use as an excuse to wield the axe. This is just another example of a public body anticipating bad press and being quick to nip it in the bud regardless of letting the person in question have a fair chance at proving their innocence. In other words it’s not between Giggs and the FAW, as it should be, it’s an issue between the FAW and the media and that’s totally wrong imo, especially when the charge is domestic violence involving a minor injury which could have been caused any one of a number of ways. Caroline Flack was prosecuted by the Police yes, but the post referred to the court of public opinion and the court of public opinion found it a disgrace that a woman could be prosecuted for hitting a man, probably because people were surprised a woman could be prosecuted for hitting a man in the first place!
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Nov 3, 2020 16:10:43 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 3, 2020 16:10:43 GMT
And look how the court of public opinion treats people. Caroline Flack was considered a victim of domestic violence by the public whereas Giggs has already been banged up and the key thrown away. We are always throwing the baby out with the bath water in this country when it comes to justice, especially with regard to men. If we truly believe in innocent until proven guilty then Giggs should be able to continue until he is found guilty. It’s not like his core work involves working with women, children or other vulnerable people. "You can be disciplined - or sacked - by your employer even if you are found to have committed no crime. If you are found to have engaged in any conduct that bringsyour employment or employer's business into disrepute, they have the right to sack you, if such conduct is prohibited by the terms of your contract." This is exactly it. At this point his innocence/guilt isn't the point. He's put the FAW is an extremely difficult position by getting himself into this mess. If this drags on for 6 months and he's found innocent that's 6 months the FAW have to answer difficult questions about why they haven't sacked a potential woman beater. If he is then found guilty it looks even worse that they gave him the benefit of the doubt. If I were a player I wouldn't necessarily want to play under Giggs if there was a chance he'd done this. I think he has brought the FAW into disrepute that we don't need in the run up to a tournament. And whether he's guilty or innocent, like it or not the public know what he's done in the past, so they're likely to think he's done it. Not good for us to keep him here in my opinion. I've always got behind Giggs but it's time to be shot of him now in my opinion
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Nov 3, 2020 16:13:21 GMT
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Post by insertname on Nov 3, 2020 16:13:21 GMT
"You can be disciplined - or sacked - by your employer even if you are found to have committed no crime. If you are found to have engaged in any conduct that bringsyour employment or employer's business into disrepute, they have the right to sack you, if such conduct is prohibited by the terms of your contract." This is exactly it. At this point his innocence/guilt isn't the point. He's put the FAW is an extremely difficult position by getting himself into this mess. If this drags on for 6 months and he's found innocent that's 6 months the FAW have to answer difficult questions about why they haven't sacked a potential woman beater. If he is then found guilty it looks even worse that they gave him the benefit of the doubt. If I were a player I wouldn't necessarily want to play under Giggs if there was a chance he'd done this. I think he has brought the FAW into disrepute that we don't need in the run up to a tournament. And whether he's guilty or innocent, like it or not the public know what he's done in the past, so they're likely to think he's done it. Not good for us to keep him here in my opinion. I've always got behind Giggs but it's time to be shot of him now in my opinion And what if it comes out later she got the injury while picking up a vase she was about to launch at his head?
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Nov 3, 2020 16:16:37 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 3, 2020 16:16:37 GMT
This is exactly it. At this point his innocence/guilt isn't the point. He's put the FAW is an extremely difficult position by getting himself into this mess. If this drags on for 6 months and he's found innocent that's 6 months the FAW have to answer difficult questions about why they haven't sacked a potential woman beater. If he is then found guilty it looks even worse that they gave him the benefit of the doubt. If I were a player I wouldn't necessarily want to play under Giggs if there was a chance he'd done this. I think he has brought the FAW into disrepute that we don't need in the run up to a tournament. And whether he's guilty or innocent, like it or not the public know what he's done in the past, so they're likely to think he's done it. Not good for us to keep him here in my opinion. I've always got behind Giggs but it's time to be shot of him now in my opinion And what if it comes out later she got the injury while picking up a vase she was about to launch at his head? Then it would come out that he was innocent?
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Post by pendragon on Nov 3, 2020 16:20:54 GMT
Er, not to be pedantic, but Caroline Flack was not considered to be a victim of domestic violence. She was being prosecuted for alleged offences relating to it. The burden of proof in civil and disciplinary matters is not the same as those in criminal proceedings. You can be disciplined - or sacked - by your employer even if you are found to have committed no crime. If you are found to have engaged in any conduct that brings your employment or employer's business into disrepute, they have the right to sack you, if such conduct is prohibited by the terms of your contract. I am NOT saying that this situation should apply to Giggs, just pointing out that he doesn't necessarily need to be found guilty in a court of law to be sacked from his employment. Of course, our employment rights are some of the worst in the developed world, it’s a piece of cake to contrive a sackable offence these days with companies looking for the slightest comment on social media to use as an excuse to wield the axe. This is just another example of a public body anticipating bad press and being quick to nip it in the bud regardless of letting the person in question have a fair chance at proving their innocence. In other words it’s not between Giggs and the FAW, as it should be, it’s an issue between the FAW and the media and that’s totally wrong imo, especially when the charge is domestic violence involving a minor injury which could have been caused any one of a number of ways. Is there any evidence of that? I haven't seen anything yet to suggest that a public body such as the FAW are anticipating bad press and want to nip this in the bud. So far, they seem to be adopting a "wait and see" approach. If we look at the FAW as an employer, employers are usually businesses of some sort. A business has its' own interests to protect. It isn't really fair to expect it to operate the same burden of proof as the criminal justice system. Serious question here, but if all businesses had to adopt the "innocent until proven guilty" principle, how would they treat someone accused of serious sexual offences or offences against a child? What if their core business needs meant that the employee concerned regularly came into contact with vulnerable people? Does the business put the employee's right over and above the right to safety of their clients? Again - I'm not talking specifically about Giggs here. Just pointing out the potential shortfalls of holding businesses to the same standard as the criminal justice system.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:21:45 GMT
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Post by insertname on Nov 3, 2020 16:21:45 GMT
And what if it comes out later she got the injury while picking up a vase she was about to launch at his head? Then it would come out that he was innocent? Exactly an innocent man who has lost his job. It’s alright for Giggs because he won’t starve, but this could be all your sons in a few years, their jobs lost based of an accusation. I have no less than three friends who have been accused of rape and been completely exonerated by Police. One was arrested whilst at work leaving his employer to terminate him. It didn’t take the Police long to figure out his crazy ex wife has been told to lie by a women’s aid charity so she could get him out of their house and have it for herself. His career was ruined though, based on an accusation that was patently proven to be false. Accusations are given far too much power in this country until they have been proved to be correct.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:38:55 GMT
Post by impeachabull on Nov 3, 2020 16:38:55 GMT
Then it would come out that he was innocent? Exactly an innocent man who has lost his job. It’s alright for Giggs because he won’t starve, but this could be all your sons in a few years, their jobs lost based of an accusation. I have no less than three friends who have been accused of rape and been completely exonerated by Police. One was arrested whilst at work leaving his employer to terminate him. It didn’t take the Police long to figure out his crazy ex wife has been told to lie by a women’s aid charity so she could get him out of their house and have it for herself. His career was ruined though, based on an accusation that was patently proven to be false. Accusations are given far too much power in this country until they have been proved to be correct. But the problem is - regardless of his guilt - if this goes to trial, we're looking at a resolution sometime in the second half of 2021. My local magistrates is booking March/April trials as we speak. He'd be very lucky to appear before June. Presumably FAW think he's unable to fulfil his duties right now, so what's the solution? (1) Robert Page leads us into the Euros, (2) FAW decide that Giggs can lead the team having been charged, (3) he isn't charged, or (4) he's dismissed. (1) is a bad idea, (2) is very controversial, (3), isn't in FAWs gift, and (4) is possible but tricky. It's very messy.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:44:22 GMT
Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 3, 2020 16:44:22 GMT
1. Osian 2. Cookie 3. Robinson
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7.594 billionth (or however many people there are in the world'th). Pulis
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 3, 2020 16:46:31 GMT
If we're recruiting early next year, I think we could be surprised by the caliber of applicants. We've got a solid squad, a guaranteed appearance at the EUROs, and a relatively favourable group I can imagine a lot of out-of-work managers being tempted by that. Eddie Howe could be an interesting option. Worked with Brooks, Wilson, and Mepham. Has a philosophy that I think would work for us (pacey wingers, attacking full-backs, and the possession based play we've employed with Giggs). Not Welsh, obviously but that doesn't particularly bother me. Joking aside I agree that we don't need a Welsh manager. Unless we drop lucky with a rookie, there aren't a lot of proven Welsh managers out there.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:47:30 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Nov 3, 2020 16:47:30 GMT
Steve Cooper
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Nov 3, 2020 16:50:16 GMT
Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 3, 2020 16:50:16 GMT
Another name to throw out there, not necessarily to become manager, but potentially in as a coach in any new set up is Mark Pembridge. Currently working as Fulham's U18's manager, and I believe he's been a coach in Fulham's academy for over a decade.
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Nov 3, 2020 17:02:05 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 3, 2020 17:02:05 GMT
Then it would come out that he was innocent? Exactly an innocent man who has lost his job. It’s alright for Giggs because he won’t starve, but this could be all your sons in a few years, their jobs lost based of an accusation. I have no less than three friends who have been accused of rape and been completely exonerated by Police. One was arrested whilst at work leaving his employer to terminate him. It didn’t take the Police long to figure out his crazy ex wife has been told to lie by a women’s aid charity so she could get him out of their house and have it for herself. His career was ruined though, based on an accusation that was patently proven to be false. Accusations are given far too much power in this country until they have been proved to be correct. I don't support people losing their job based on an accusation, especially with zero evidence like the scenarios you have mentioned. However those scenarios you bring up aren't related to this one Here's why the Giggs scenario is different: he's a public figurehead or role model, the story has garnered national coverage/attention, there was enough of a concern that he did something from police that meant he was arrested, he has a history of controversy & moral reprehensibility, it's likely that it will be a long protracted case All those things in together leads me to think him staying in his role is untenable. Is Giggs really worth all of that potential messiness? He's done a great job but he isn't the be all and end all. Our national team is bigger than that
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Nov 3, 2020 17:08:25 GMT
Post by fiveattheback on Nov 3, 2020 17:08:25 GMT
Didn't Bellamy blow the FAW away with his presentation when they interviewed him?
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Nov 3, 2020 17:31:01 GMT
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Post by hal on Nov 3, 2020 17:31:01 GMT
I really can’t see a situation where Giggs comes out of this with a job. If it was a random woman then potentially, but his own partner doesn’t look good at all. He’ll be gone before the next round of international matches.
I would be very surprised if a huge wage was spent considering no fans for a number of months/year.
I personally would prefer Coleman, think it’s the safest and best opportunity ahead of a major tournament. Give him a contract until September (I can see this suiting both parties), then a new manager can take us for the rest of WCQ campaign and hopefully the 2022 World Cup.
No other names stand out, Bellamy would be a risk that could potentially pay off, Cooper is an interesting name too with international experience (albeit younger age groups)
But for me it’s got to be Coleman.
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Nov 3, 2020 17:36:01 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 3, 2020 17:36:01 GMT
Exactly an innocent man who has lost his job. It’s alright for Giggs because he won’t starve, but this could be all your sons in a few years, their jobs lost based of an accusation. I have no less than three friends who have been accused of rape and been completely exonerated by Police. One was arrested whilst at work leaving his employer to terminate him. It didn’t take the Police long to figure out his crazy ex wife has been told to lie by a women’s aid charity so she could get him out of their house and have it for herself. His career was ruined though, based on an accusation that was patently proven to be false. Accusations are given far too much power in this country until they have been proved to be correct. I don't support people losing their job based on an accusation, especially with zero evidence like the scenarios you have mentioned. However those scenarios you bring up aren't related to this one Here's why the Giggs scenario is different: he's a public figurehead or role model, the story has garnered national coverage/attention, there was enough of a concern that he did something from police that meant he was arrested, he has a history of controversy & moral reprehensibility, it's likely that it will be a long protracted case All those things in together leads me to think him staying in his role is untenable. Is Giggs really worth all of that potential messiness? He's done a great job but he isn't the be all and end all. Our national team is bigger than that I’m actually starting to change my point of view now after reading here. I hope he hasn’t done this and I’ll still assume he’s innocent but the situation he’s in is unfair to Welsh football. If he is innocent then he needs to ask serious questions why his partner has put him through this and seek damages against her. But yeah unfortunately shouldn’t continue in his role.
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Nov 3, 2020 17:39:16 GMT
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Nov 3, 2020 17:39:16 GMT
Cooper if interested (i personally doubt that he will be tbh) would be great. Due to his past he should really buy into our youth orientated approach. But Abertawe are second in the league so he may (quite rightly) want to focus on that. I think one day he will be Cymru manager.
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Nov 3, 2020 17:43:37 GMT
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Post by insertname on Nov 3, 2020 17:43:37 GMT
To pick up on the posts above I’ve just seen texan’s post and I think he puts it best. ABH as a charge doesn’t really tell us anything and as Texan has pointed out in real life it can turn out to be very mundane- is that worth losing someone’s livelihood over?
With Giggs job relating to adult males only I would say that this should be fairly easy for him to carry on until actually charged. The question is can the FAW grow a pair of balls and stand up to the media’s attempts to paint them as the bad guys? It would be good to an organisation actually challenge the typical protocol of shoving the accused out of the back door quietly with a blanket over his head.
But Texan has given me food for thought about Giggs having a chat with the FAW. I’ve no doubt the FAW would have put him on leave anyway but maybe Giggs himself deciding to take a leave of absence (if we take it at face value that it was his decision) indicates that he knows he is banged to rights on this issue.
To discuss the bigger picture I can understand that companies would want to protect their image but doesn’t the accused have a right to support too and not be demonised by their employer for what could turn out to be innocuous? You can’t have a one-size fits all approach but serious criminals are released on bail all the time and allowed back into the community based on the threat posed to the immediate public, a similar application of common sense should be applied to accused people in the work place. Is someone like Giggs likely to ‘re-offend’ whilst being investigated? Highly unlikely. If working with vulnerable people then obviously there are issues and it makes sense that such people would be in a tough position. But we should really have more empathy as a society for people who have not been convicted of a crime and as such there shouldn’t be as much pressure for employers to take people’s livelihoods away when they have only been accused. In the era of social media too many companies fold to the pitchfork wielding public who get all their opinions from the sun. It’s really sad and intolerant.
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Nov 3, 2020 17:49:43 GMT
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Post by robwrecsam on Nov 3, 2020 17:49:43 GMT
Sam rickets will be free soon the way Shrewsbury are going haha
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Nov 3, 2020 17:57:06 GMT
Post by aberbeeg on Nov 3, 2020 17:57:06 GMT
Unfortunately things work differently today than they did years ago.
He is the figurehead of the National team representing our whole Country. He’s not some guy working 8-5 earning min wage.
Everyone has the right to a private life BUT ( here’s the problem) someone (probably his Mrs) RANG THE POLICE.Once that phone call was made it then naturally starts a chain reaction ( usually for the worse) the Police are paid for by the tax payer.Some journalist gets a tip off and before you know it the Celebrity is named and shamed and has to come out and admit the arrest at the very least.Thus throwing the spotlight on not only themselves but also their employer and in this case the Whole Country.
Innocent he could well be but that phone call was made by someone.
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Nov 3, 2020 18:26:36 GMT
Post by rhod on Nov 3, 2020 18:26:36 GMT
Maybe a left field choice, but what about Cameron Toshack ?
Currently unemployed, but did a decent job with Pafos recently. He also has a really good record working with the Swansea Academy, and helped produce the likes of Cabango, Roberts, Rodon, Dan James etc.
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Nov 3, 2020 18:31:18 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 3, 2020 18:31:18 GMT
Surprised by how many would want Osian Roberts. He's been class for Welsh football as tech director and assistant but I wouldn't want him as our manager.
Carl Robinson would probably be my choice after 2022.
I think Coleman or Robert Page would be my choice if Giggs is sacked.
Kenny Jacket?
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Post by hooky on Nov 3, 2020 18:43:03 GMT
When you look at the dearth of options you despair.
Why when everything was going so bloody well!
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Nov 3, 2020 18:49:04 GMT
Post by pendragon on Nov 3, 2020 18:49:04 GMT
To pick up on the posts above I’ve just seen texan’s post and I think he puts it best. ABH as a charge doesn’t really tell us anything and as Texan has pointed out in real life it can turn out to be very mundane- is that worth losing someone’s livelihood over? With Giggs job relating to adult males only I would say that this should be fairly easy for him to carry on until actually charged. The question is can the FAW grow a pair of balls and stand up to the media’s attempts to paint them as the bad guys? It would be good to an organisation actually challenge the typical protocol of shoving the accused out of the back door quietly with a blanket over his head. But Texan has given me food for thought about Giggs having a chat with the FAW. I’ve no doubt the FAW would have put him on leave anyway but maybe Giggs himself deciding to take a leave of absence (if we take it at face value that it was his decision) indicates that he knows he is banged to rights on this issue. To discuss the bigger picture I can understand that companies would want to protect their image but doesn’t the accused have a right to support too and not be demonised by their employer for what could turn out to be innocuous? You can’t have a one-size fits all approach but serious criminals are released on bail all the time and allowed back into the community based on the threat posed to the immediate public, a similar application of common sense should be applied to accused people in the work place. Is someone like Giggs likely to ‘re-offend’ whilst being investigated? Highly unlikely. If working with vulnerable people then obviously there are issues and it makes sense that such people would be in a tough position. But we should really have more empathy as a society for people who have not been convicted of a crime and as such there shouldn’t be as much pressure for employers to take people’s livelihoods away when they have only been accused. In the era of social media too many companies fold to the pitchfork wielding public who get all their opinions from the sun. It’s really sad and intolerant. Most organisations will instigate their own investigations and disciplinary procedures when a matter such as this arises, and I don't honestly see anything wrong with that. They are entitled to do that and in such instances, an employee is usually given the opportunity to defend themselves. I assume in this case that the FAW is waiting to see what the strength of the evidence is before they decide how to proceed. Maybe he is not working with vulnerable people, but he is in a public figurehead role, and any conduct relating to his personal life has the potential to affect the FAW's reputation as an organisation. I think that the offence he has been accused of constitutes somewhat of an emotive issue. Taking emotion out of it completely, if he was regularly seen getting drunk and falling out of clubs every weekend, then he could also be subject to disciplinary procedures if this conduct was deemed to fall foul of an organisation's code of conduct. Similarly, any conduct that can impair his ability to perform his role can eventually give rise to dismissal and there is no way of knowing how long he will be impacted by this.
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Nov 3, 2020 19:00:02 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 3, 2020 19:00:02 GMT
Difficult one. Do we go with someone experienced for the Euros and undo our long term vision or appoint someone not ready for it and sacrifice the Euros.
Coleman, although I enjoyed it at the time, would be a massive step backwards. Didn’t give new players a go, Vokes would become the first Welsh player to get 100 caps.
Hughes, same I though he was amazing until the ‘06 campaign, left us with no pathway for young players. Took Toshack the best part of a decade to get fixed.
Pulis is one of those managers you don’t mind in the Premier League because he adds contrast, but nowhere near a Wales manager.
Osian Roberts in a comfortable job, can see him being a top contender but there’s no chance I’d apply if I was him. It seems Morocco have been good to him, if he applies and gets rejected again his job in Morocco becomes impossible.
Rob Page, seems like they were grooming him to be in the frame in the future but would not be an inspired appointment.
Carl Robinson, very much a student of the game but never had a high profile role.
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Nov 3, 2020 19:09:58 GMT
Post by robin1864 on Nov 3, 2020 19:09:58 GMT
If no one else wants to start the thread I suppose I’ll have to. If proven guilty and the FAW decide to dismiss Giggs, who would you like to see replace him? But also who do you think WILL replace him. Are Nathan Jones and Steve Cooper possibilities? Coleman to return? Michael Flynn?? Nathan Jones or Michael Flynn? Let's not. I'd take Coleman back, or go for someone outside the limited and lowly Welsh managerial sphere. Carl Robinson would be nice for the future, but ideally after doing a job in Europe. Anyone mentioning Toshack or his descendants should be shot at dawn, we don't want key players quitting the team because of personality defects.
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Nov 3, 2020 19:14:09 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 3, 2020 19:14:09 GMT
Nathan Jones - dim diolch.
Mike Flynn - In the future maybe, yes!
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Nov 3, 2020 19:28:27 GMT
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Post by hal on Nov 3, 2020 19:28:27 GMT
Difficult one. Do we go with someone experienced for the Euros and undo our long term vision or appoint someone not ready for it and sacrifice the Euros. Coleman, although I enjoyed it at the time, would be a massive step backwards. Didn’t give new players a go, Vokes would become the first Welsh player to get 100 caps. Hughes, same I though he was amazing until the ‘06 campaign, left us with no pathway for young players. Took Toshack the best part of a decade to get fixed. Pulis is one of those managers you don’t mind in the Premier League because he adds contrast, but nowhere near a Wales manager. Osian Roberts in a comfortable job, can see him being a top contender but there’s no chance I’d apply if I was him. It seems Morocco have been good to him, if he applies and gets rejected again his job in Morocco becomes impossible. Rob Page, seems like they were grooming him to be in the frame in the future but would not be an inspired appointment. Carl Robinson, very much a student of the game but never had a high profile role. I don’t see a situation where Coleman comes in on a long term contract, I don’t think that would suit both parties. If he does I see it a short term thing to take us to the euros with his experience of working with majority of these players and 2016 tournament
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Nov 3, 2020 19:30:27 GMT
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Post by cadno on Nov 3, 2020 19:30:27 GMT
Difficult one. Do we go with someone experienced for the Euros and undo our long term vision or appoint someone not ready for it and sacrifice the Euros. Coleman, although I enjoyed it at the time, would be a massive step backwards. Didn’t give new players a go, Vokes would become the first Welsh player to get 100 caps. Hughes, same I though he was amazing until the ‘06 campaign, left us with no pathway for young players. Took Toshack the best part of a decade to get fixed. Pulis is one of those managers you don’t mind in the Premier League because he adds contrast, but nowhere near a Wales manager. Osian Roberts in a comfortable job, can see him being a top contender but there’s no chance I’d apply if I was him. It seems Morocco have been good to him, if he applies and gets rejected again his job in Morocco becomes impossible. Rob Page, seems like they were grooming him to be in the frame in the future but would not be an inspired appointment. Carl Robinson, very much a student of the game but never had a high profile role. Disagree about Coleman, who could he have called up?
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Nov 3, 2020 19:34:00 GMT
Post by pendragon on Nov 3, 2020 19:34:00 GMT
If we're recruiting early next year, I think we could be surprised by the caliber of applicants. We've got a solid squad, a guaranteed appearance at the EUROs, and a relatively favourable group I can imagine a lot of out-of-work managers being tempted by that. Eddie Howe could be an interesting option. Worked with Brooks, Wilson, and Mepham. Has a philosophy that I think would work for us (pacey wingers, attacking full-backs, and the possession based play we've employed with Giggs). Not Welsh, obviously but that doesn't particularly bother me. Eddie Howe could be an awesome pick tbf!
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Post by pendragon on Nov 3, 2020 20:01:12 GMT
Difficult one. Do we go with someone experienced for the Euros and undo our long term vision or appoint someone not ready for it and sacrifice the Euros. Coleman, although I enjoyed it at the time, would be a massive step backwards. Didn’t give new players a go, Vokes would become the first Welsh player to get 100 caps. Hughes, same I though he was amazing until the ‘06 campaign, left us with no pathway for young players. Took Toshack the best part of a decade to get fixed. Pulis is one of those managers you don’t mind in the Premier League because he adds contrast, but nowhere near a Wales manager. Osian Roberts in a comfortable job, can see him being a top contender but there’s no chance I’d apply if I was him. It seems Morocco have been good to him, if he applies and gets rejected again his job in Morocco becomes impossible. Rob Page, seems like they were grooming him to be in the frame in the future but would not be an inspired appointment. Carl Robinson, very much a student of the game but never had a high profile role. Disagree about Coleman, who could he have called up? Yep I agree. He would find it difficult to summon the likes of Joe Ledley, Sam Vokes and Andy King now as they've been out of the game for so long. I'd welcome Coleman back with open arms if Giggs left, however I am concerned about how he'd marry up his football philosophy with our play. I'd be glad of a conservative approach in high-stakes games with the likes of France or Spain but I'd hope that he'd adopt a more pacey style against league B or C teams.
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