|
Giggs
Jan 24, 2021 19:16:34 GMT
via mobile
Post by conwy10 on Jan 24, 2021 19:16:34 GMT
Anyone have any idea what will happen with the qualifiers? We got some breathing space after Nations League but quite surprised there’s been no decision yet, even if it’s just to confirm it’s still Giggs. I think it’d be a bit unfair to Page to ask him 2 weeks before Belgium.
|
|
|
Giggs
Jan 24, 2021 19:29:15 GMT
via mobile
conwy10 likes this
Post by insertname on Jan 24, 2021 19:29:15 GMT
Anyone have any idea what will happen with the qualifiers? We got some breathing space after Nations League but quite surprised there’s been no decision yet, even if it’s just to confirm it’s still Giggs. I think it’d be a bit unfair to Page to ask him 2 weeks before Belgium. Isn’t the word on the street that Giggs is still manager behind the scenes and Page is the public face? That would explain why there doesn’t seem to be any sort of news or speculation. In fact that’s an understatement, it’s like the whole managerial controversy never happened given how quiet the situation is.
|
|
|
Post by iot on Jan 24, 2021 19:52:24 GMT
|
|
|
Giggs
Jan 24, 2021 22:01:54 GMT
via mobile
Post by marsvolta on Jan 24, 2021 22:01:54 GMT
Anyone have any idea what will happen with the qualifiers? We got some breathing space after Nations League but quite surprised there’s been no decision yet, even if it’s just to confirm it’s still Giggs. I think it’d be a bit unfair to Page to ask him 2 weeks before Belgium. Isn’t the word on the street that Giggs is still manager behind the scenes and Page is the public face? That would explain why there doesn’t seem to be any sort of news or speculation. In fact that’s an understatement, it’s like the whole managerial controversy never happened given how quiet the situation is. Page was very quick to say that he had been in touch with Giggs in all the pre and post match interviews so I’d say that is probably the case.
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 3, 2021 0:57:38 GMT
via mobile
Post by dylanjunecymru on Feb 3, 2021 0:57:38 GMT
What’s happening with giggsy? Any idea whether it’ll be him or page incharge for the march fixurers?
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 3, 2021 11:48:50 GMT
via mobile
Post by cymroircarn on Feb 3, 2021 11:48:50 GMT
What’s happening with giggsy? Any idea whether it’ll be him or page incharge for the march fixurers? Isn’t he due in court in feb? Sounds like he’s been bailed pending CPS?
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 26, 2021 17:49:01 GMT
Post by daearegwr on Feb 26, 2021 17:49:01 GMT
His bail has been extended to 1 May www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55891507. Sounds like we're no nearer a decision from the CPS on this so looking more likely he won't be actively in charge for the Euros
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 26, 2021 17:57:27 GMT
via mobile
Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 26, 2021 17:57:27 GMT
Time to get rid, give it to Page full time & get some stability during a time where we have a big year ahead of us, and so much seems to be up in the air
Giggs did well but we can't hang around forever waiting for Giggs's dirty laundry to be resolved. Onwards and upwards & thanks for the good moments
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 26, 2021 18:00:39 GMT
Post by cynonvalley on Feb 26, 2021 18:00:39 GMT
Yes, needs to go.
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 26, 2021 18:11:52 GMT
Post by dai on Feb 26, 2021 18:11:52 GMT
Said at the time that the FAW should seriously consider shifting him on.
Giggs surprised us all, and we should be extremely thankful, but the guy is an idiot and clearly has personal issues stemming back way beyond this incident.
|
|
|
Post by CrackityJones on Feb 26, 2021 19:05:20 GMT
Bloody hell what a week for the FAW.
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 26, 2021 21:43:00 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Feb 26, 2021 21:43:00 GMT
Time to get rid, give it to Page full time & get some stability during a time where we have a big year ahead of us, and so much seems to be up in the air Giggs did well but we can't hang around forever waiting for Giggs's dirty laundry to be resolved. Onwards and upwards & thanks for the good moments I don't think that the FAW would be able to afford to pay off both the CEO and the National Team Manager in a good year, let alone in a year where their income has been severely dented. If they do scrape together the money to get rid of them both, I doubt that it would leave enough to employ anyone of any real substance. The only viable option that I see if for them to continue as they are currently doing.
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 26, 2021 21:45:48 GMT
via mobile
Post by insertname on Feb 26, 2021 21:45:48 GMT
Said at the time that the FAW should seriously consider shifting him on. Giggs surprised us all, and we should be extremely thankful, but the guy is an idiot and clearly has personal issues stemming back way beyond this incident. He’s not been found guilty of anything yet remember.
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 26, 2021 21:50:49 GMT
via mobile
Post by insertname on Feb 26, 2021 21:50:49 GMT
Time to get rid, give it to Page full time & get some stability during a time where we have a big year ahead of us, and so much seems to be up in the air Giggs did well but we can't hang around forever waiting for Giggs's dirty laundry to be resolved. Onwards and upwards & thanks for the good moments I don't think that the FAW would be able to afford to pay off both the CEO and the National Team Manager in a good year, let alone in a year where their income has been severely dented. If they do scrape together the money to get rid of them both, I doubt that it would leave enough to employ anyone of any real substance. The only viable option that I see if for them to continue as they are currently doing. I expect Giggs is going to be heavily involved no matter what the FAW themselves publicly declare unless he is found guilty and sent down before the Euros which is probably not going to happen unless he has done something seriously extraordinary.
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 26, 2021 22:05:58 GMT
via mobile
gimli likes this
Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 26, 2021 22:05:58 GMT
Said at the time that the FAW should seriously consider shifting him on. Giggs surprised us all, and we should be extremely thankful, but the guy is an idiot and clearly has personal issues stemming back way beyond this incident. He’s not been found guilty of anything yet remember. We can't afford to wait til May for a verdict. If we wait until then and he's found guilty it's all anyone is going to talk about in the lead up to the tournament - I'd rather be done with it now Conversely if we do well with Page now until May and then Giggs is found innocent that also puts us in a difficult position of the players having to re-familiarise themselves with Giggs after a long time and many matches without him Each way I look at it, it just looks like the cleanest option is to break off from Giggs. Surely we can cite the fact that we need to make preparations for a tournament as a reason to pursue an amicable split with him
|
|
|
Giggs
Feb 27, 2021 5:16:52 GMT
via mobile
Post by zakbaby on Feb 27, 2021 5:16:52 GMT
As stated earlier, he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet. No decision to make atm. If the FAW were worried about his public image they wouldn't have hired him in the first place. Unless he is charged I believe they will stick with him and Page as the figurehead for now. It's another matter if it's the right thing to do or not.
|
|
|
Post by gwernybwch on Feb 27, 2021 12:09:29 GMT
He’s not been found guilty of anything yet remember. We can't afford to wait til May for a verdict. If we wait until then and he's found guilty it's all anyone is going to talk about in the lead up to the tournament - I'd rather be done with it now Conversely if we do well with Page now until May and then Giggs is found innocent that also puts us in a difficult position of the players having to re-familiarise themselves with Giggs after a long time and many matches without him Each way I look at it, it just looks like the cleanest option is to break off from Giggs. Surely we can cite the fact that we need to make preparations for a tournament as a reason to pursue an amicable split with him It is easy enough to say we can't afford not to get rid of him, unless you literally can't afford to get rid of him. And I think that they literally can't afford it at the moment. He has another year left on his £500k pa contract. The FAW have missed their best chance to off-load him with a disrepute charge. The only thing that I can see them doing now is letting the legal process take its natural course.
|
|
|
Post by squatter1 on Mar 16, 2021 11:40:44 GMT
Every few days I find myself remembering that Welsh football is currently in one of the most calamitous, disastrous, humiliating and self-defeating situations it has ever faced: with three months to go to our appearance at the European Championship, our manager remains on bail for domestic assault, leaving his inexperienced assistant manager in charge.
This is, of course, an utterly shambolic situation for us to be in. The only reason it doesn't occupy my every waking thought about football is the fact our form remained good even without Giggs, and the simple fact we qualified at all despite it looking almost impossible at the midway point have made even being at the Euros at all feel like a blessing. These two facts have helped paper over the otherwise alarming cracks.
But here we are, three months away from the tournament, and we are managerless (no offence Pagey).
It begs the question of Giggs - why isn't he big enough to do what's best for his country, rather than what's best for him?
Of course I believe in innocent until proven guilty. But that goes both ways, and we also have to extend the same sympathy and understanding to his accuser. Her charges need to be taken seriously. It's not exactly an everyday occurrence to take your famous partner to court for domestic assault. I mean how many people do you know in your own life that even get near to be taken to court for violently assaulting their partner? It's not exactly a run-of-the mill event, and we have to accept that a horrible stink surrounds Giggs at this moment, until (and if) he can clear his name.
My point is, that even if he believes he is innocent, Giggs should have put his country first already. He should have resigned from the manager's role until his name is cleared. Not just stepped aside, but resigned so the big decisions about who replaces him for the Euros could be made.
As it is, we may - or may not - be managed by Giggs in the summer. He may - or may not - have had his case hear in court (someone correct me if they know has a conclusive date been set for a trial?). Meanwhile the FAW have no other real choice than to give the 'caretaker' job to Page. They can't really hire someone else on the short term (because who knows, Giggs might be back in time?), nor can they make Page the full time manager (for the same reason). What the hell do the players think of this farce? What the hell do other nations think of our FAW, our manager, our country?
It's a complete shit show. Giggs should have put the country first, resigned, and then fought to clear his name. The FAW could have meanwhile appointed an experienced figurehead (Coleman/Hughes/etc) on a short term to see us through the Euros, while Page etc kept the successful ethos/style on the coaching pitch. Instead, he's putting himself first, and allowing his country to approach the Euros (and let's not forget, also crucial World Cup qualifications) in a farcical, disgraceful, shambolic situation.
The only reason I can think of that the FAW didn't have the balls to make this call themselves - ie insist to Giggs that he leaves the job until after the Euros is money, that they wouldn't have been able to pay him off to do so. That and the fact the FAW is itself in chaos with Jonathan Ford's status etc.
Like I said at the top, our good form has papered over this issue. But rest assured that things will look rather different after this break if Belgium give us a hiding and we lose to Czech too.
|
|
|
Giggs
Mar 16, 2021 12:06:35 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 16, 2021 12:06:35 GMT
Don't think Giggs will stand down unless he's found guilty in court (then he'd probably have to). There's an inertia running through the FAW at present (the CEO, the Women's coach and the Giggs situation), the longer it continues the worse things will be. Giggs is a controversial character, and it seems scandals follow him around. The delay in the court case is not helping, the FAW should grow a pair and make a decision soon, before final preparation for the Euros start. Uncertainty is not great, and I do worry what happens if the next set of results are very poor.
|
|
|
Giggs
Mar 16, 2021 12:29:31 GMT
Post by njdragon on Mar 16, 2021 12:29:31 GMT
he's the best man for the job so he is putting the country before himself.
I have to be honest i don't want a hughes or coleman - they were good for us but we'll be kicking ourselves i think if it happens. Coleman won't replicate 2016, his time has passed, this is giggs team and the team that got us here.
Also the guy never got to represent his country at a major tournament so this is only ever shot to be there. If he thinks he's not guilty then keeping hold of the job iSight for everyone.
|
|
|
Giggs
Mar 16, 2021 12:43:22 GMT
via mobile
Post by Albert on Mar 16, 2021 12:43:22 GMT
As far as I'm aware don't think he's on bail for sexual assault ? Section 39 and 47 is what he's being charged with .
|
|
|
Giggs
Mar 16, 2021 13:32:21 GMT
via mobile
Post by squatter1 on Mar 16, 2021 13:32:21 GMT
As far as I'm aware don't think he's on bail for sexual assault ? Section 39 and 47 is what he's being charged with . True. Amended OP
|
|
kaned
steve evans
Posts: 13
|
Giggs
Mar 16, 2021 15:39:47 GMT
Post by kaned on Mar 16, 2021 15:39:47 GMT
Ask yourself, if someone made an allegation against you at work, would you leave the job ? I'm not a legal specialist but I do think that the FAW would be skating on thin ice if they made a decision to let him go. I am content to let BP manage the side until a legal decision has been made, I know that he doesn't have much experience but who did when they took on the post (only Coleman who had been sacked from all other managerial posts held)
|
|
|
Giggs
Mar 16, 2021 16:15:28 GMT
via mobile
Post by insertname on Mar 16, 2021 16:15:28 GMT
My football club has just appointed Joey Barton as manager. Joey fucking Barton who at the time of his appointment was awaiting trial for ABH relating to an incident where the opposition manager’s teeth fell out in mysterious circumstances. What’s worse, most of the fanbase think it’s a brilliant appointment and that those who have issues with it are out of touch snowflakes.
There really is no shame in football and trying to apply morality to it is a waste of time these days. Might as well let Giggs carry on and have done with it.
|
|
|
Post by squatter1 on Mar 16, 2021 16:36:09 GMT
Ask yourself, if someone made an allegation against you at work, would you leave the job ? I'm not a legal specialist but I do think that the FAW would be skating on thin ice if they made a decision to let him go. I am content to let BP manage the side until a legal decision has been made, I know that he doesn't have much experience but who did when they took on the post (only Coleman who had been sacked from all other managerial posts held) In my line of work with no public profile and in which such an outstanding allegation would have no affect on my ability to do my job until I cleared myself, no, I wouldn't stand down. But if I was manager of the Welsh football team on the cusp of a European Championship and my legal case was having a deleterious influence on the team's preparations, forcing me to step aside for an unknown period - and through that impacting the hopes and dreams of an entire nation - then I'd like to think I'd be big enough to do the right thing and step down until after the tournament and when my name is cleared.
|
|
kaned
steve evans
Posts: 13
|
Giggs
Mar 16, 2021 16:52:45 GMT
Post by kaned on Mar 16, 2021 16:52:45 GMT
Im sure that Mrs Squatter (if there is such a thing) would have a different view. I would like to ask Mrs Coleman if she thought that Mr Coleman had taken the right decision ?
|
|
|
Giggs
Mar 17, 2021 16:32:46 GMT
Post by aberbeeg on Mar 17, 2021 16:32:46 GMT
It’s a big call from the FAW. Usually under such circumstances Mr Giggs would be put on “gardening leave” ....as things stand we are between two stools.
|
|
|
Giggs
Mar 17, 2021 17:47:12 GMT
Post by squatter1 on Mar 17, 2021 17:47:12 GMT
It’s a big call from the FAW. Usually under such circumstances Mr Giggs would be put on “gardening leave” ....as things stand we are between two stools. The call should be coming from Giggs, not the FAW
|
|
|
Giggs
Mar 17, 2021 18:07:33 GMT
via mobile
Post by cymroircarn on Mar 17, 2021 18:07:33 GMT
He’s pleading not guilty so why would he step down?
|
|
|
Giggs
Mar 18, 2021 7:57:01 GMT
Post by aberbeeg on Mar 18, 2021 7:57:01 GMT
Because at the moment he not able to fully manage the team
|
|