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Post by squatter1 on Mar 18, 2021 10:32:51 GMT
He’s pleading not guilty so why would he step down? I notice that Giggs resigned from his directorship on the property development scheme with his buddy Gary Neville. www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/giggs-quits-as-jacksons-row-director/This was shortly after he was charged. Presumably he resigned because his situation was too damaging to the project. So he did the right thing by Neville and the money men. Yet for Welsh football is left in limbo, surrounded by a foul stench.
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Mar 18, 2021 15:03:27 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 18, 2021 15:03:27 GMT
Because at the moment he not able to fully manage the team Because he’s pending an investigation. As a person though surely he is allowed his day in court? Innocent until proven guilty and all that?
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Mar 18, 2021 18:09:38 GMT
Post by aberbeeg on Mar 18, 2021 18:09:38 GMT
Which is exactly what gardening leave is!!!
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Mar 18, 2021 18:38:03 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Mar 18, 2021 18:38:03 GMT
Which is exactly what gardening leave is!!! No it's not. There is a small, but significant difference. Gardening leave is a management led decision. An employee is 'placed' ie told to go on gardening leave by management. Giggs has "mutually agreed" i.e. both him and the FAW have agreed that he should not be involved on a temporary basis.
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Mar 18, 2021 21:12:17 GMT
Post by aberbeeg on Mar 18, 2021 21:12:17 GMT
But he IS involved
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Mar 19, 2021 0:05:55 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 19, 2021 0:05:55 GMT
Because at the moment he not able to fully manage the team Because he’s pending an investigation. As a person though surely he is allowed his day in court? Innocent until proven guilty and all that? I did genuinely felt that way about Giggs but changed my mind. I hope he’s found innocent, unless there’s massive evidence he is guilty, but even if he’s innocent he’s caused damage to his employers reputation. As good as Rob Page is doing I’d be surprised if he was the next permanent manager. We can’t hire a new manager until after the trial which will cause disruption to our qualifiers and tournament. It’s unfair on everyone except Giggs. If he’s innocent it’d be a harsh lesson on who he has in his personal life, his partner would be pressing charges on an innocent person, but I don’t think everyone involved with the National Team should suffer for Giggs personal problems. Any slight indication that I’d ruin the reputation of where I work and I’d be out of a job. I’m not too in the know about employment laws but I’m sire anyone in the circumstances would be fired.
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Mar 19, 2021 6:34:56 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 19, 2021 6:34:56 GMT
Because he’s pending an investigation. As a person though surely he is allowed his day in court? Innocent until proven guilty and all that? I did genuinely felt that way about Giggs but changed my mind. I hope he’s found innocent, unless there’s massive evidence he is guilty, but even if he’s innocent he’s caused damage to his employers reputation. As good as Rob Page is doing I’d be surprised if he was the next permanent manager. We can’t hire a new manager until after the trial which will cause disruption to our qualifiers and tournament. It’s unfair on everyone except Giggs. If he’s innocent it’d be a harsh lesson on who he has in his personal life, his partner would be pressing charges on an innocent person, but I don’t think everyone involved with the National Team should suffer for Giggs personal problems. Any slight indication that I’d ruin the reputation of where I work and I’d be out of a job. I’m not too in the know about employment laws but I’m sire anyone in the circumstances would be fired. So on what grounds would the FAW sack him? If then found not guilty he could take them to court for unfair dismissal! He could resign, but then some would say this is obvious he is guilty so he can’t win. Unfortunately we need to trust the justice system here unless Giggs decides to call it a day.
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Mar 19, 2021 6:36:22 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 19, 2021 6:36:22 GMT
Guilty before innocent in your household then! I agree it does not look good, but we need to trust the system. If he’s guilty then throw the book at him and hope we never see him again. If innocent then should be allowed to resume his normal life like all of us would.
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Mar 19, 2021 8:13:22 GMT
Post by aberbeeg on Mar 19, 2021 8:13:22 GMT
Guilty before innocent in your household then! I agree it does not look good, but we need to trust the system. If he’s guilty then throw the book at him and hope we never see him again. If innocent then should be allowed to resume his normal life like all of us would. Absolutely not....but I feel your missing the point completely. Nobody is saying Giggs is guilty. What a lot are saying is We are now in a very difficult/tricky situation where by we have a “rookie” manager who is managing a team that someone else has picked. Hardly ideal preparation as we begin our World Cup qualifying group and the Euros are 90 odd days away. The FAW have also been put in a no win situation ( can’t sack him without the court case being heard) so this state of limbo has to carry on for however long it lasts. There isn’t an ideal situation to end this limbo but it does now feel that Giggs has become bigger than the team/country. Do you think we should carry on regardless? What if the court case doesn’t get to court this year? If the guy is innocent then he should definitely pick his partners a little better in future.
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Mar 19, 2021 8:59:01 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 19, 2021 8:59:01 GMT
Guilty before innocent in your household then! I agree it does not look good, but we need to trust the system. If he’s guilty then throw the book at him and hope we never see him again. If innocent then should be allowed to resume his normal life like all of us would. Absolutely not....but I feel your missing the point completely. Nobody is saying Giggs is guilty. What a lot are saying is We are now in a very difficult/tricky situation where by we have a “rookie” manager who is managing a team that someone else has picked. Hardly ideal preparation as we begin our World Cup qualifying group and the Euros are 90 odd days away. The FAW have also been put in a no win situation ( can’t sack him without the court case being heard) so this state of limbo has to carry on for however long it lasts. There isn’t an ideal situation to end this limbo but it does now feel that Giggs has become bigger than the team/country. Do you think we should carry on regardless? What if the court case doesn’t get to court this year? If the guy is innocent then he should definitely pick his partners a little better in future. Exactly the FAW are in a no win situation If Giggs believes he is innocent then why would he resign? The FAW therefore have no option but to back him. It’s a terrible situation to be in and the timing could not be worse but not sure what else can be done?
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Post by iot on Mar 19, 2021 9:34:03 GMT
Absolutely not....but I feel your missing the point completely. Nobody is saying Giggs is guilty. What a lot are saying is We are now in a very difficult/tricky situation where by we have a “rookie” manager who is managing a team that someone else has picked. Hardly ideal preparation as we begin our World Cup qualifying group and the Euros are 90 odd days away. The FAW have also been put in a no win situation ( can’t sack him without the court case being heard) so this state of limbo has to carry on for however long it lasts. There isn’t an ideal situation to end this limbo but it does now feel that Giggs has become bigger than the team/country. Do you think we should carry on regardless? What if the court case doesn’t get to court this year? If the guy is innocent then he should definitely pick his partners a little better in future. Exactly the FAW are in a no win situation If Giggs believes he is innocent then why would he resign? The FAW therefore have no option but to back him. It’s a terrible situation to be in and the timing could not be worse but not sure what else can be done? He has already resigned from some of his other positions, but not the one that continues to tarnish us. It looks like the FAW can't force him out, so it would be up to Giggs to put the national team before himself, something he appears reluctant to do.
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Mar 19, 2021 9:59:17 GMT
Post by njdragon on Mar 19, 2021 9:59:17 GMT
funny watching the caroline flack documentary and how the documentary handled it very sympathetically, with similar circumstances.
She was accused of assault and lost her job which apparently ultimately lead to her death.
Very similar parallels but no sympathy for giggs, lots of mental health talk around men at the moment but when it comes down to it.... is it just lip service?
We should definitely be giving giggs the benefit here and not throwing him out.
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Mar 19, 2021 21:27:03 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 19, 2021 21:27:03 GMT
I did genuinely felt that way about Giggs but changed my mind. I hope he’s found innocent, unless there’s massive evidence he is guilty, but even if he’s innocent he’s caused damage to his employers reputation. As good as Rob Page is doing I’d be surprised if he was the next permanent manager. We can’t hire a new manager until after the trial which will cause disruption to our qualifiers and tournament. It’s unfair on everyone except Giggs. If he’s innocent it’d be a harsh lesson on who he has in his personal life, his partner would be pressing charges on an innocent person, but I don’t think everyone involved with the National Team should suffer for Giggs personal problems. Any slight indication that I’d ruin the reputation of where I work and I’d be out of a job. I’m not too in the know about employment laws but I’m sire anyone in the circumstances would be fired. So on what grounds would the FAW sack him? If then found not guilty he could take them to court for unfair dismissal! He could resign, but then some would say this is obvious he is guilty so he can’t win. Unfortunately we need to trust the justice system here unless Giggs decides to call it a day. Harming the FAW’s reputation. I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, and I’d hate if it was me being wrongly accused, but if I get arrested I lose my job for ruining their reputation. In today’s world I’d be shocked if there wasn’t a clause or a loophole in these contracts for these occasions.
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Mar 19, 2021 22:10:10 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 19, 2021 22:10:10 GMT
funny watching the caroline flack documentary and how the documentary handled it very sympathetically, with similar circumstances. She was accused of assault and lost her job which apparently ultimately lead to her death. Very similar parallels but no sympathy for giggs, lots of mental health talk around men at the moment but when it comes down to it.... is it just lip service? We should definitely be giving giggs the benefit here and not throwing him out. I’m sure we all have sympathy, I think the reality is Giggs is in a very important role and we have a very narrow timeframe to work with. This whole not taking the next few matches is only going to damage us eventually, how much longer can we do that for? It’s unfair to expect Rob Page to get results against Belgium and Czech Republic when it’s not his role, he’s there to assist Giggs. It’s a messy situation caused by Giggs homelife. If he was taking the matches it’d be something, but he’s can’t even do that. Should have given him 12 months gardening leave and hired a short term manager who can focus on the job ahead. Not throwing it on Page to do what Giggs wants, using Giggs methods and tactics but his own judgement when it needs changing on the pitch. We’re a National Team not an Under 18’s Academy squad.
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Post by aberbeeg on Mar 19, 2021 22:17:30 GMT
funny watching the caroline flack documentary and how the documentary handled it very sympathetically, with similar circumstances. She was accused of assault and lost her job which apparently ultimately lead to her death. Very similar parallels but no sympathy for giggs, lots of mental health talk around men at the moment but when it comes down to it.... is it just lip service? We should definitely be giving giggs the benefit here and not throwing him out. I’m sure we all have sympathy, I think the reality is Giggs is in a very important role and we have a very narrow timeframe to work with. This whole not taking the next few matches is only going to damage us eventually, how much longer can we do that for? It’s unfair to expect Rob Page to get results against Belgium and Czech Republic when it’s not his role, he’s there to assist Giggs. It’s a messy situation caused by Giggs homelife. If he was taking the matches it’d be something, but he’s can’t even do that. Should have given him 12 months gardening leave and hired a short term manager who can focus on the job ahead. Not throwing it on Page to do what Giggs wants, using Giggs methods and tactics but his own judgement when it needs changing on the pitch. We’re a National Team not an Under 18’s Academy squad. Bang on!!!!
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Apr 8, 2021 19:10:05 GMT
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Post by njdragon on Apr 8, 2021 19:10:05 GMT
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Apr 8, 2021 19:38:05 GMT
Post by eppingblue1 on Apr 8, 2021 19:38:05 GMT
I wouldn't take any notice of anything Adam Brown says.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:03:03 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Apr 8, 2021 20:03:03 GMT
Giggs might be sacked in the next 48 hours, but that youtube video is full of SO many inaccuracies. Ford wasn't responsible for appointing Giggs. There was a large interview / appointment panel that selected Giggs as the preferred candidate with the FAW President as the Chair. The President (not Ford) used some kind of power that he is entitled to use to offer the job to Giggs without going through the full FAW Council. The President then instructed Ford to negotiate the terms of his contract. As for Ford being on a months' notice? I know bin men that are entitled to more notice than that. If he was sacked for a gross misconduct offence (as it was suggested), he wouldn't be entitled to notice at all.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:15:26 GMT
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Post by njdragon on Apr 8, 2021 20:15:26 GMT
Giggs might be sacked in the next 48 hours, but that youtube video is full of SO many inaccuracies. Ford wasn't responsible for appointing Giggs. There was a large interview / appointment panel that selected Giggs as the preferred candidate with the FAW President as the Chair. The President (not Ford) used some kind of power that he is entitled to use to offer the job to Giggs without going through the full FAW Council. The President then instructed Ford to negotiate the terms of his contract. As for Ford being on a months' notice? I know bin men that are entitled to more notice than that. If he was sacked for a gross misconduct offence (as it was suggested), he wouldn't be entitled to notice at all. Well everyone knew it was always fords dream to get Giggs, he was a marketing mans dream for the team. This was known for years before he finally got him. I think he said Ford handed in his notice and worked his leave. Lots of companies have different policies anyway where you would give them 3 months notice if you leave but they only give you a month.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:28:39 GMT
Post by gwernybwch on Apr 8, 2021 20:28:39 GMT
Giggs might be sacked in the next 48 hours, but that youtube video is full of SO many inaccuracies. Ford wasn't responsible for appointing Giggs. There was a large interview / appointment panel that selected Giggs as the preferred candidate with the FAW President as the Chair. The President (not Ford) used some kind of power that he is entitled to use to offer the job to Giggs without going through the full FAW Council. The President then instructed Ford to negotiate the terms of his contract. As for Ford being on a months' notice? I know bin men that are entitled to more notice than that. If he was sacked for a gross misconduct offence (as it was suggested), he wouldn't be entitled to notice at all. Well everyone knew it was always fords dream to get Giggs, he was a marketing mans dream for the team. This was known for years before he finally got him. I think he said Ford handed in his notice and worked his leave. Lots of companies have different policies anyway where you would give them 3 months notice if you leave but they only give you a month. It is the first that I have heard that Ford wanted to appoint Giggs 'for years'. As I said - to the best of my knowledge - Ford wasn't on the appointment panel. The panel decided who they wanted and then instructed Ford to negotiate the deal. Maybe the Council were annoyed that Ford negotiated a deal that allowed Giggs to do f**k all for his £500k pa apart from a few days before each matchday. Point taken, it did say that Ford had handed in his notice.
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Apr 8, 2021 20:56:16 GMT
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Post by njdragon on Apr 8, 2021 20:56:16 GMT
Well everyone knew it was always fords dream to get Giggs, he was a marketing mans dream for the team. This was known for years before he finally got him. I think he said Ford handed in his notice and worked his leave. Lots of companies have different policies anyway where you would give them 3 months notice if you leave but they only give you a month. It is the first that I have heard that Ford wanted to appoint Giggs 'for years'. As I said - to the best of my knowledge - Ford wasn't on the appointment panel. The panel decided who they wanted and then instructed Ford to negotiate the deal. Maybe the Council were annoyed that Ford negotiated a deal that allowed Giggs to do f**k all for his £500k pa apart from a few days before each matchday. Point taken, it did say that Ford had handed in his notice. Oh yeh he was after him for years. Good point, it’s interesting as we all had it down as that Angela appointment. But didn’t have it down as anything to do with Giggs too. Interesting anyway even if it is rubbish.
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Apr 9, 2021 17:59:30 GMT
Post by jbt95 on Apr 9, 2021 17:59:30 GMT
Apr 8, 2021 21:28:39 GMT 1 gwernybwch said: njdragon Avatar Apr 8, 2021 21:15:26 GMT 1 njdragon said: Well everyone knew it was always fords dream to get Giggs, he was a marketing mans dream for the team. This was known for years before he finally got him. I think he said Ford handed in his notice and worked his leave. Lots of companies have different policies anyway where you would give them 3 months notice if you leave but they only give you a month. It is the first that I have heard that Ford wanted to appoint Giggs 'for years'. As I said - to the best of my knowledge - Ford wasn't on the appointment panel. The panel decided who they wanted and then instructed Ford to negotiate the deal. Maybe the Council were annoyed that Ford negotiated a deal that allowed Giggs to do f**k all for his £500k pa apart from a few days before each matchday. Point taken, it did say that Ford had handed in his notice. No doubt worth it considering we'd got to the Euros and promotion to League A.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 23, 2021 15:22:10 GMT
Needed
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Apr 23, 2021 15:29:33 GMT
Post by 1gwaunview on Apr 23, 2021 15:29:33 GMT
Time for Giggs to stand down from manager's job now.
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Apr 23, 2021 15:35:03 GMT
Post by foxmulder on Apr 23, 2021 15:35:03 GMT
Yes, enough is enough.
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Apr 23, 2021 15:37:31 GMT
Post by foxmulder on Apr 23, 2021 15:37:31 GMT
Just a thought... will the FAW have to pay him compensation if they sack him?
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Apr 23, 2021 15:41:48 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Apr 23, 2021 15:41:48 GMT
Just a thought... will the FAW have to pay him compensation if they sack him? They could probably claim that they are bringing the FAW into disrepute and sack him for gross misconduct.
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Apr 23, 2021 15:43:00 GMT
Post by cynonvalley on Apr 23, 2021 15:43:00 GMT
Well well well...
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Apr 23, 2021 15:57:33 GMT
Post by foxmulder on Apr 23, 2021 15:57:33 GMT
It's officially been announced that Page will take charge for the Euros.
However it doesn't mention Giggs' future.
We can't have him making the decisions via a fucking phone call. The FAW need to cut ties now.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:06:13 GMT
Post by georgetm1 on Apr 23, 2021 16:06:13 GMT
I would say unbelievable, but it isn't. This vindicates all the fans who were against his appointment. Shitting on his own brother, cheating on his wife and family, his behaviour towards our national team and the FAW still bent over backwards for him. Now he is a woman beater and made her life a misery. What next?
The FAW really got this appointment wrong and they should have listened to everyone else.
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