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Post by Wales9 on Nov 13, 2020 8:19:35 GMT
I would agree he’s not ready for international football yet but i feel a lot of that is due to the fact he has less time on the ball at that level. He’ll only improve playing in games like last night.
On the point of Vaulks and Evans getting dropped, the difference is theyre mid to late twenties. The reality is theyre probably close to their peak and will never be international class. Where as, the likes of Levitt and Smith could be.
Also, i dont think anyones saying that if the Euros were tomorrow then Levitt would be starting. I think the point is, hes playing in friendlies and glorified friendlies which will benefit him and the other young lads for future tournaments.
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Post by underwood on Nov 13, 2020 8:48:23 GMT
Not everyone is Ryan Giggs or Gareth Bale at 17.
Plus the fact, if you put him alongside Rambo or Allen, he looks a different player immediately.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 13, 2020 9:20:35 GMT
Not everyone is Ryan Giggs or Gareth Bale at 17. Plus the fact, if you put him alongside Rambo or Allen, he looks a different player immediately. At this point I can only see Ampadu getting to that top, top standard but we'll have far more depth in that first team than ever before if only half of the youngsters there realise their potential. I could see Johnson, Smith, Cabango, Rodon, T. Roberts, Cooper and Neco becoming Premier League level regulars, and we will have another batch of players coming through when these lads do realise their potential (if they do) as well as some seasoned players who are already at that level in my eyes and have plenty of years left ahead of them (James, Brooks, Davies). Even Danny Ward has time on his side as at 27, he's no pensioner. Hopefully he can find a club that value him as a number 1 though. Some lads may surprise us as well, and hopefully Levitt is one who surprises me and makes it as a top midfielder. Time is on his side so I don't see why he can't. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 13, 2020 9:28:32 GMT
I am one of those who's been harsh about him, and to be honest, I also feel sorry for him. He is clearly not good enough for this level and that was glaringly obvious after his first couple caps. He won his 5th cap tonight and I feel Giggs is trying to force the issue with him. To me and maybe others, it just seems like he's only there because of the Utd connection. Lee Evans was never recalled by Giggs after one poor match, and Vaulks has been more or less dropped by Giggs after a few poor performances, so it just seems like blinkered favouritism to carry on pushing Levitt. Tonight he made 3 mistakes which nearly led to an USA goal scoring opportunity. It's only going to affect him negatively playing and struggling in games that's above his level. I feel like Evans has never really been given a fair chance. Just 4 caps all in friendlies, despite playing at a decent level in an area we've struggled for cover in |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 13, 2020 9:45:58 GMT
I am one of those who's been harsh about him, and to be honest, I also feel sorry for him. He is clearly not good enough for this level and that was glaringly obvious after his first couple caps. He won his 5th cap tonight and I feel Giggs is trying to force the issue with him. To me and maybe others, it just seems like he's only there because of the Utd connection. Lee Evans was never recalled by Giggs after one poor match, and Vaulks has been more or less dropped by Giggs after a few poor performances, so it just seems like blinkered favouritism to carry on pushing Levitt. Tonight he made 3 mistakes which nearly led to an USA goal scoring opportunity. It's only going to affect him negatively playing and struggling in games that's above his level. I feel like Evans has never really been given a fair chance. Just 4 caps all in friendlies, despite playing at a decent level in an area we've struggled for cover in Feel Shaun Macdonald could've done a job this time round too had it not been for his freak injury. Gutted for him as that'll likely be it for him and Wales now. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 13, 2020 9:59:25 GMT
I'll say this about Levitt, whilst he hasn't been great in his cameos for us he did just fine against Finland, which is arguably the hardest game he had to play. Since then he's been worse which is surprising to a degree, but then again he's still finding his feet. To be honest
I really really don't care if he makes mistakes in friendlies, I welcome it actually. That's what they are there for. He'll be better for having made those mistakes last night & anyone saying it isn't a good idea to include him because he's not ready doesn't understand that you need games like this to improve as a player
Anyone writing him off is being reactionary too - he's 19 in his first senior season, he could still turn out to be a player. Dan James, David Brooks, Connor Roberts, Joe Morrell, Rhys Norrington-Davies, Harry Wilson, Tom Lockyer all not good enough for our seniors in their first season, but all established senior players for us now. Let's be patient with Levitt and not hammer him for a friendly performance. Let's encourage him and he might turn out to be a player for us in a couple of years
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Post by iot on Nov 13, 2020 10:00:04 GMT
I am one of those who's been harsh about him, and to be honest, I also feel sorry for him. He is clearly not good enough for this level and that was glaringly obvious after his first couple caps. He won his 5th cap tonight and I feel Giggs is trying to force the issue with him. To me and maybe others, it just seems like he's only there because of the Utd connection. Lee Evans was never recalled by Giggs after one poor match, and Vaulks has been more or less dropped by Giggs after a few poor performances, so it just seems like blinkered favouritism to carry on pushing Levitt. Tonight he made 3 mistakes which nearly led to an USA goal scoring opportunity. It's only going to affect him negatively playing and struggling in games that's above his level. I think it's more to do with age and perceived potential than any conspiracy around the man u link. He's highly rated at Man U, just 19, and apparently shown his quality in training. On that basis, I can see why he would get more opportunities that Lee Evans and Vaulks. But I completely agree that Levitt hasn't shown that quality at all for us thus far, nor does it look like he's doing so for charlton given that he's been dropped. He's supposed to be a composed, tidy midfielder that can set the tempo - but he's been sloppy, too eager to give it away, constantly making blind passes and never looks up for a more progressive pass. I think it must be to do with confidence, but for now I agree that he shouldn't be playing. Leave him to prove himself at senior level with charlton before any more caps |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 13, 2020 10:03:12 GMT
I'll say this about Levitt, whilst he hasn't been great in his cameos for us he did just fine against Finland, which is arguably the hardest game he had to play. Since then he's been worse which is surprising to a degree, but then again he's still finding his feet. To be honest I really really don't care if he makes mistakes in friendlies, I welcome it actually. That's what they are there for. He'll be better for having made those mistakes last night & anyone saying it isn't a good idea to include him because he's not ready doesn't understand that you need games like this to improve as a player Anyone writing him off is being reactionary too - he's 19 in his first senior season, he could still turn out to be a player. Dan James, David Brooks, Connor Roberts, Joe Morrell, Rhys Norrington-Davies, Harry Wilson, Tom Lockyer all not good enough for our seniors in their first season, but all established senior players for us now. Let's be patient with Levitt and not hammer him for a friendly performance. Let's encourage him and he might turn out to be a player for us in a couple of years I don't think anyone is really bashing him, I can mainly see criticism aimed at the management team for calling him up when he clearly isn't ready. While we still have the likes of Bale knocking about we shouldn't be going through an experimental phase in competitive matches like we did under Toshack. Pick your best team and leave the youngsters that aren't good enough with the u21s until they are. For what it's worth I thought he was totally out of his depth against Finland too. I think he's looked poor in every match he's played for us. |
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Post by dai on Nov 13, 2020 10:28:46 GMT
I am one of those who's been harsh about him, and to be honest, I also feel sorry for him. He is clearly not good enough for this level and that was glaringly obvious after his first couple caps. He won his 5th cap tonight and I feel Giggs is trying to force the issue with him. To me and maybe others, it just seems like he's only there because of the Utd connection. Lee Evans was never recalled by Giggs after one poor match, and Vaulks has been more or less dropped by Giggs after a few poor performances, so it just seems like blinkered favouritism to carry on pushing Levitt. Tonight he made 3 mistakes which nearly led to an USA goal scoring opportunity. It's only going to affect him negatively playing and struggling in games that's above his level. I think it's more to do with age and perceived potential than any conspiracy around the man u link. He's highly rated at Man U, just 19, and apparently shown his quality in training. On that basis, I can see why he would get more opportunities that Lee Evans and Vaulks. But I completely agree that Levitt hasn't shown that quality at all for us thus far, nor does it look like he's doing so for charlton given that he's been dropped. He's supposed to be a composed, tidy midfielder that can set the tempo - but he's been sloppy, too eager to give it away, constantly making blind passes and never looks up for a more progressive pass. I think it must be to do with confidence, but for now I agree that he shouldn't be playing. Leave him to prove himself at senior level with charlton before any more caps This the sticking point for me, he's NOT as highly rated as we think. I've spoken to a few sensible Utd fans and they all don't think he's shown the same potential as other youth players. It's not a conspiracy at all, it's plain obvious. If he was under any other PL club, on loan in League 1 and playing poor do you think he'd get a look in? I very much doubt it. You could say the same about Woodburn for example. I don't know if it's just me, but he comes across quite anxious and timid, and doesn't look to have the mentality for the step up right now. You can't even compare him to the early performances of players like Smith, Morrell, Neco, Woodburn, Ampadu, James etc. Dropping him could knock his confidence even more so Giggs and management have a bit of an issue right now. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 13, 2020 11:39:55 GMT
I'll say this about Levitt, whilst he hasn't been great in his cameos for us he did just fine against Finland, which is arguably the hardest game he had to play. Since then he's been worse which is surprising to a degree, but then again he's still finding his feet. To be honest I really really don't care if he makes mistakes in friendlies, I welcome it actually. That's what they are there for. He'll be better for having made those mistakes last night & anyone saying it isn't a good idea to include him because he's not ready doesn't understand that you need games like this to improve as a player Anyone writing him off is being reactionary too - he's 19 in his first senior season, he could still turn out to be a player. Dan James, David Brooks, Connor Roberts, Joe Morrell, Rhys Norrington-Davies, Harry Wilson, Tom Lockyer all not good enough for our seniors in their first season, but all established senior players for us now. Let's be patient with Levitt and not hammer him for a friendly performance. Let's encourage him and he might turn out to be a player for us in a couple of years I don't think anyone is really bashing him, I can mainly see criticism aimed at the management team for calling him up when he clearly isn't ready. While we still have the likes of Bale knocking about we shouldn't be going through an experimental phase in competitive matches like we did under Toshack. Pick your best team and leave the youngsters that aren't good enough with the u21s until they are. For what it's worth I thought he was totally out of his depth against Finland too. I think he's looked poor in every match he's played for us. Yeah, there seems to be this obsession with developing these players like we're back where we were under Toshack when there's no need. Levitt is only 19 and there are other options who can play now whilst Levitt develops |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 13, 2020 12:20:07 GMT
Out of his depth at the moment in my opinion. Needs more club game experience before being thrust into Cymru 'A' again.
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Post by talyfan on Jan 9, 2021 19:46:19 GMT
Recalled by Manchester United. Played 5 times for Charlton this season. Rumours of him being sent out on loan again.
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Post by talyfan on Jan 10, 2021 11:11:07 GMT
Linked with Portsmouth and QPR. To be honest, the lad shouldn't be anywhere near EURO Squad in my opinion. Needs to earn it by getting regular first team minutes and establishing himself.
Ramsey, Vaulks, Allen, Morrell, Smith and Ampadu gives us enough depth there barring any injuries.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 10, 2021 11:19:28 GMT
Linked with Portsmouth and QPR. To be honest, the lad shouldn't be anywhere near EURO Squad in my opinion. Needs to earn it by getting regular first team minutes and establishing himself. Ramsey, Vaulks, Allen, Morrell, Smith and Ampadu gives us enough depth there barring any injuries. Agreed, he's not high up on my list, I'd even put Sheehan ahead of him now and possibly Burton seeing as he's played more times for Zagreb. I'm in the group that think we shouldn't be too harsh on the lad based on his first few caps, but I think we should wait until he gets more 1st team minutes like you say. Surprised a Championship club would be interested though? I think he needs to be in a low league club that plays possession football |
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Post by talyfan on Jan 10, 2021 23:43:18 GMT
Felt he'd be a good fit for Newport since Twine has been recalled. Probably a bit below the level he'd like to play at mind.
We'll wait and see what happens. I think he's more suited to playing further forward as opposed to playing deeper
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Post by welshrover on Jan 11, 2021 9:53:15 GMT
Felt he'd be a good fit for Newport since Twine has been recalled. Probably a bit below the level he'd like to play at mind. We'll wait and see what happens. I think he's more suited to playing further forward as opposed to playing deeper I know nowt to do with Wales but that Twine looks half a player at lower league level. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Feb 12, 2021 16:23:41 GMT
Reported by DS and others that he’s going to NK Istra on loan. By the looks of things they’re bottom of the league in Croatia.
Not too sure how well advised this move is, but hopefully gets game-time and develops physically over there.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 12, 2021 23:08:43 GMT
Reported by DS and others that he’s going to NK Istra on loan. By the looks of things they’re bottom of the league in Croatia. Not too sure how well advised this move is, but hopefully gets game-time and develops physically over there. Always said he needs to physically mature. I can see it making a big difference to his game, I do think he has the technical ability. If he had a bit more bite to his game like Morrell I don't see why he couldn't do a similar job. No need to write him off yet |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Feb 13, 2021 9:18:46 GMT
Reported by DS and others that he’s going to NK Istra on loan. By the looks of things they’re bottom of the league in Croatia. Not too sure how well advised this move is, but hopefully gets game-time and develops physically over there. Always said he needs to physically mature. I can see it making a big difference to his game, I do think he has the technical ability. If he had a bit more bite to his game like Morrell I don't see why he couldn't do a similar job. No need to write him off yet No I agree, I haven’t written him off don’t you worry. His passing range is sublime. He probably just needs to play week in week out against men at this stage. |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Feb 15, 2021 14:10:06 GMT
Loan move finally confirmed in the public domain
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Post by manulike on Feb 15, 2021 21:38:33 GMT
Loan move finally confirmed in the public domain Great news. Obviously, Dylan has a lot to learn from our Robert. #StandingOnTheShouldersOf ... ;-)
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Post by talyfan on Mar 8, 2021 13:36:19 GMT
Yet to feature for Istra 1961.
Not sure when or if he'll feature much for them.
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Post by talyfan on Mar 10, 2021 21:06:10 GMT
Istra won this evening. Dylan yet to get a sniff. Bearing in mind I believe the Croatian league has a 5 sub rule at the moment, you'd have thought he might make a cameo appearance off the bench by now.
About 12 leagues games left to play.
The Croatian league has two teams relegated. Finish 10th (last) and you're automatically relegated. If you finish 9th there is a relegation play-off between 9th place of the 1. HNL and 2nd place of the second tier.
Istra have finished 9th every season since the 2017/18 season (They've won every relegation play-off I might add). They are also currently 9th in the table!
Normally it's a two horse race between the two bottoms clubs to avoid last spot and try to clinch the relegation play off spot. However this season looks like the best chance for them to avoid finishing there as the relegation battle consists of 5 teams so far.
Will they want to chuck Dylan in? Doesn't seem like it, the lack of senior footy he's played it'll take him about 5 or so games (if not more) to get into the swing of it.
I won't speak too soon but this could be an absolute disaster of loan spell for the lad. Not like he would've been called up for the EUROS anyway but the lad needs senior game time under his belt regardless.
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 10, 2021 21:32:46 GMT
Istra won this evening. Dylan yet to get a sniff. Bearing in mind I believe the Croatian league has a 5 sub rule at the moment, you'd have thought he might make a cameo appearance off the bench by now. About 12 leagues games left to play. The Croatian league has two teams relegated. Finish 10th (last) and you're automatically relegated. If you finish 9th there is a relegation play-off between 9th place of the 1. HNL and 2nd place of the second tier. Istra have finished 9th every season since the 2017/18 season (They've won every relegation play-off I might add). They are also currently 9th in the table! Normally it's a two horse race between the two bottoms clubs to avoid last spot and try to clinch the relegation play off spot. However this season looks like the best chance for them to avoid finishing there as the relegation battle consists of 5 teams so far. Will they want to chuck Dylan in? Doesn't seem like it, the lack of senior footy he's played it'll take him about 5 or so games (if not more) to get into the swing of it. I won't speak too soon but this could be an absolute disaster of loan spell for the lad. Not like he would've been called up for the EUROS anyway but the lad needs senior game time under his belt regardless. I agree, it doesn’t look good at the minute. Considering the noises that Levitt’s agent made about Istra ‘selling’ themselves to Levitt suggesting he’d get ample gametime, it’s surprising he’s yet to make his debut. It does seem to be a desperate attempt to make the Euros squad, and as you say looks disastrous currently. It’s a shame as I really rate his footballing ability. But it does currently seem his slight frame is hindering him. This spell won’t inspire much confidence in himself. Next season massive for him, 21 year olds need first team football, not sure at what level that will be at mind. |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 10, 2021 21:52:20 GMT
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 13, 2021 16:04:04 GMT
came on after 77' for NK in a 1-0 win, as they climb off the bottom of the table
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Post by gimli on Mar 16, 2021 16:55:10 GMT
Got his first start for Istra today in the cup and played the full 90 in a 3-0 win.
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Post by talyfan on Mar 16, 2021 18:01:07 GMT
Good that he got some much needed minutes. Istra lucked out on that draw in the cup against Oriolik who are in the Croatian third tier. Hopefully he can get some minutes in the league
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 17, 2021 18:54:11 GMT
Nice assist from young Dylan, hopefully that’s earned him more starts:
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 17, 2021 22:32:52 GMT
Nice assist from young Dylan, hopefully that’s earned him more starts: Think he's taken a lot of exaggerated flack. He clearly has tons of ability & could potentially be a great player for us one day if he develops the physical side of his game. We may well look back on his first 5 caps as necessary to getting him up to scratch |
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