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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 7, 2020 19:35:13 GMT
Quality finish
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Post by jbt95 on Jul 7, 2020 22:39:59 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Jul 8, 2020 6:44:10 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 8, 2020 9:23:49 GMT
1) What's he doing in the striker position?
2) When did he become Thierry Henry?
Shows he does have quality on the ball. Might not be a silky smooth central midfielder, but he definitely has enough about him for international football. If I were picking my squad today for the tournament he'd be in it
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Post by alarch on Jul 8, 2020 10:50:22 GMT
Brilliant goal to be fair, and he has strengthened his credentials this season, but given the limited numbers available in a tournament squad he still wouldn't make mine, assuming everybody was fit (which obviously wouldn't be the case).
Doing well at club level doesn't translate into automatic squad selection if your attributes don't fit with what you're trying to establish with the national team. I don't see him as a defensive mid, and he lacks the footballing skills to be a number 10. I guess he has reasonable credentials as a box-to-box 8, but he's still down the pecking order in my estimation.
Vaulks' statistically determined credentials from whoscored.com are very much those of a traditional British player:
Will Vaulks Characteristics:
Strengths:
Aerial Duels: Very Strong
Long shots: Strong
Taking set-pieces: Strong
Key passes: Strong
Direct free-kicks: Strong
Ball interception: Strong
Weaknesses:
Passing: Weak
Discipline: Weak
Will Vaulks's Style of Play:
Likes to play long balls
Plays the ball off the ground often
Indirect set-piece threat
Likes to tackle
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Post by richierich333 on Jul 8, 2020 13:22:49 GMT
Brilliant goal to be fair, and he has strengthened his credentials this season, but given the limited numbers available in a tournament squad he still wouldn't make mine, assuming everybody was fit (which obviously wouldn't be the case). Doing well at club level doesn't translate into automatic squad selection if your attributes don't fit with what you're trying to establish with the national team. I don't see him as a defensive mid, and he lacks the footballing skills to be a number 10. I guess he has reasonable credentials as a box-to-box 8, but he's still down the pecking order in my estimation. Vaulks' statistically determined credentials from whoscored.com are very much those of a traditional British player: Will Vaulks Characteristics: Strengths: Aerial Duels: Very Strong Long shots: Strong Taking set-pieces: Strong Key passes: Strong Direct free-kicks: Strong Ball interception: Strong Weaknesses: Passing: Weak Discipline: Weak Will Vaulks's Style of Play: Likes to play long balls Plays the ball off the ground often Indirect set-piece threat Likes to tackle Unfortunately and ruthlessly on my part I agree and he doesn't make my squad either. I really like him but i go a lot on natural ability (for better or worse). I guess a lot of people on here would take him which i understand. It would take a few injuries for me to take him to the Euro's. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jul 8, 2020 15:23:33 GMT
Brilliant goal to be fair, and he has strengthened his credentials this season, but given the limited numbers available in a tournament squad he still wouldn't make mine, assuming everybody was fit (which obviously wouldn't be the case). Doing well at club level doesn't translate into automatic squad selection if your attributes don't fit with what you're trying to establish with the national team. I don't see him as a defensive mid, and he lacks the footballing skills to be a number 10. I guess he has reasonable credentials as a box-to-box 8, but he's still down the pecking order in my estimation. Vaulks' statistically determined credentials from whoscored.com are very much those of a traditional British player: Will Vaulks Characteristics: Strengths: Aerial Duels: Very Strong Long shots: Strong Taking set-pieces: Strong Key passes: Strong Direct free-kicks: Strong Ball interception: Strong Weaknesses: Passing: Weak Discipline: Weak Will Vaulks's Style of Play: Likes to play long balls Plays the ball off the ground often Indirect set-piece threat Likes to tackle Weak at passing but strong at key passing? I’m guessing that means every ball is a Hollywood pass that 5% of the time creates a chance but 95% of the time gives away possession. |
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Post by iot on Jul 8, 2020 18:35:31 GMT
Brilliant goal to be fair, and he has strengthened his credentials this season, but given the limited numbers available in a tournament squad he still wouldn't make mine, assuming everybody was fit (which obviously wouldn't be the case). Doing well at club level doesn't translate into automatic squad selection if your attributes don't fit with what you're trying to establish with the national team. I don't see him as a defensive mid, and he lacks the footballing skills to be a number 10. I guess he has reasonable credentials as a box-to-box 8, but he's still down the pecking order in my estimation. Vaulks' statistically determined credentials from whoscored.com are very much those of a traditional British player: Will Vaulks Characteristics: Strengths: Aerial Duels: Very Strong Long shots: Strong Taking set-pieces: Strong Key passes: Strong Direct free-kicks: Strong Ball interception: Strong Weaknesses: Passing: Weak Discipline: Weak Will Vaulks's Style of Play: Likes to play long balls Plays the ball off the ground often Indirect set-piece threat Likes to tackle Weak at passing but strong at key passing? I’m guessing that means every ball is a Hollywood pass that 5% of the time creates a chance but 95% of the time gives away possession. That's probably part of it, but short, sharp passing and long passing appear to require different skills. Shelvey was another one at Swansea where he would pull off excellent 40 yarders each game, but also mess up a simple 5-yarder a few times most games. Probably a matter of carelessness in possession. I agree that good club form doesn't necessarily mean he should make our squad if his strengths don't align with our style of play. I'm concerned he might be a similar type of player to king - hardly ever gets on the ball to set the tempo and influence games, but makes decent off the ball runs, has a good shot etc. I don't think that's what we need. It's far more important for us to have tempo-setters in the like of allen (obviously), ampadu, morrell, and even smith who keeps things simple, breaks up play and retain possession. Having said all that, if we do take 4 CMs, I might take him in front of smith as he does offer something different. Levitt could be another curveball though! |
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Post by cadno on Jul 8, 2020 19:35:13 GMT
Weak at passing but strong at key passing? I’m guessing that means every ball is a Hollywood pass that 5% of the time creates a chance but 95% of the time gives away possession. That's probably part of it, but short, sharp passing and long passing appear to require different skills. Shelvey was another one at Swansea where he would pull off excellent 40 yarders each game, but also mess up a simple 5-yarder a few times most games. Probably a matter of carelessness in possession. I agree that good club form doesn't necessarily mean he should make our squad if his strengths don't align with our style of play. I'm concerned he might be a similar type of player to king - hardly ever gets on the ball to set the tempo and influence games, but makes decent off the ball runs, has a good shot etc. I don't think that's what we need. It's far more important for us to have tempo-setters in the like of allen (obviously), ampadu, morrell, and even smith who keeps things simple, breaks up play and retain possession. Having said all that, if we do take 4 CMs, I might take him in front of smith as he does offer something different. Levitt could be another curveball though! King's use of the ball and positional sense is better IMO, especially if we're talking about them playing the 'Joe Ledley role'. Morrell, Ampadu, Smith, Huws & Joniesta should be ahead of both imo. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jul 8, 2020 19:45:55 GMT
Weak at passing but strong at key passing? I’m guessing that means every ball is a Hollywood pass that 5% of the time creates a chance but 95% of the time gives away possession. That's probably part of it, but short, sharp passing and long passing appear to require different skills. Shelvey was another one at Swansea where he would pull off excellent 40 yarders each game, but also mess up a simple 5-yarder a few times most games. Probably a matter of carelessness in possession. I agree that good club form doesn't necessarily mean he should make our squad if his strengths don't align with our style of play. I'm concerned he might be a similar type of player to king - hardly ever gets on the ball to set the tempo and influence games, but makes decent off the ball runs, has a good shot etc. I don't think that's what we need. It's far more important for us to have tempo-setters in the like of allen (obviously), ampadu, morrell, and even smith who keeps things simple, breaks up play and retain possession. Having said all that, if we do take 4 CMs, I might take him in front of smith as he does offer something different. Levitt could be another curveball though! Yeah agree with taking a plan B midfielder. He needs to produce something in a friendly or Nations League match first though. I wouldn’t take him because he’s not the same, he needs to show us he can bring that other dimension. Club form will call for a Wales call up but he’s got to produce something in a Wales shirt to get on the plane. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 9, 2020 10:45:38 GMT
My logic is that given we play 4-2-3-1 we'd need 4 options to fill the 2 deeper midfielder positions. If we were picking today we wouldn't have Allen so if I were picking 4 I'd go; Ampadu, Morrell, Vaulks and then the 4th is up for grabs.
If we had Allen, for me Vaulks by virtue of minutes at a top 6 Championship side, would be just ahead of Smith, Huws, Levitt etc. Could all change within a year obviously. You could also consider Joniesta an option to be the 4th I suppose as he played well there in the qualifiers
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Post by iot on Jul 9, 2020 11:47:14 GMT
My logic is that given we play 4-2-3-1 we'd need 4 options to fill the 2 deeper midfielder positions. If we were picking today we wouldn't have Allen so if I were picking 4 I'd go; Ampadu, Morrell, Vaulks and then the 4th is up for grabs. If we had Allen, for me Vaulks by virtue of minutes at a top 6 Championship side, would be just ahead of Smith, Huws, Levitt etc. Could all change within a year obviously. You could also consider Joniesta an option to be the 4th I suppose as he played well there in the qualifiers That's a really narrow way of looking at it - you don't agree that style of play and alignment with football philosophy/tactics should be an important consideration, alongside club form? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 9, 2020 13:20:32 GMT
My logic is that given we play 4-2-3-1 we'd need 4 options to fill the 2 deeper midfielder positions. If we were picking today we wouldn't have Allen so if I were picking 4 I'd go; Ampadu, Morrell, Vaulks and then the 4th is up for grabs. If we had Allen, for me Vaulks by virtue of minutes at a top 6 Championship side, would be just ahead of Smith, Huws, Levitt etc. Could all change within a year obviously. You could also consider Joniesta an option to be the 4th I suppose as he played well there in the qualifiers That's a really narrow way of looking at it - you don't agree that style of play and alignment with football philosophy/tactics should be an important consideration, alongside club form? Yes of course - but I don't think any of the aforementioned players couldn't play the style of play we play so that's not a concern in my selection of players. Anyone playing at Championship level or above can usually do the basics reasonably well at international level. Don't forget we play more long balls now with Kieffer Moore in the side too. We do play a nice brand of football, but we're not Spain either - and it's only when he started mixing up our style a bit more that we really kicked on in the qualifying group. I also think having a 4th option that brings in something different is an advantage, i.e Vaulks brings variety ahead of a Smith who is very very similar to Morrell and not quite as good yet in my opinion. For the same reason you could argue that Levitt might get ahead of the others with a good loan next season, as he seems to be the most skilful of the lot on a footballing level - there's probably a reason Giggs keeps raving about him at any opportunity. Essentially all I'm saying is that if I was picking the squad today I'd go Ampadu, Morrell, Vaulks & use Joniesta there with everything considered. Can't see who currently warrants a place above these. As for 2021, my prediction would be that we take Allen, Ampadu, Morrell & then the 4th choice is anyone's guess as there are so many factors at play |
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Post by manulike on Oct 22, 2020 21:09:43 GMT
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Post by manulike on Dec 26, 2020 15:55:18 GMT
TAKE A BOW, YOUNG MAN!
60 metres out - lobbed the goalie
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 26, 2020 15:55:24 GMT
Scored from his own half!
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 26, 2020 15:59:24 GMT
Doesn’t do tap ins that lad
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Post by manulike on Dec 26, 2020 16:42:43 GMT
... And another ... this time inside the box '=)
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Post by cantonwelsh79 on Mar 2, 2021 21:09:45 GMT
Flourishing under McCarthy. Really good game again - doesn't do tap ins either!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 2, 2021 21:35:41 GMT
Fair play, wrote him off a bit after being omitted from the last squad, but will have almost definitely worked his way back in now!
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 2, 2021 21:55:31 GMT
Mae'n banger
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Post by manulike on Mar 2, 2021 23:18:59 GMT
Red Devils be afraid ... be very ... very ... afraid ;-)
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Post by gimli on Mar 19, 2021 18:33:25 GMT
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Post by manulike on Mar 19, 2021 22:13:22 GMT
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Post by aberbeeg on Mar 19, 2021 22:18:41 GMT
Doesn’t sound great management
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Post by dai on Mar 19, 2021 23:13:38 GMT
Poor treatment of a player who's spoken so proudly to have been called up in the past. But then again, Giggs has never really been great at interpersonal communication has he? He really should be in the squad on merit. We only have a small talent pool as a country, and to ignore a player who's playing at a higher level than others is just plain ridiculous. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 19, 2021 23:53:11 GMT
Such a shame - he should really have been told why, I'm actually really shocked and disappointed for him
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 20, 2021 8:50:21 GMT
That's really bad mismanagement. You've got to feel for the bloke.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 20, 2021 12:38:35 GMT
I'm just hoping he performs well for CCFC against the Swans tonight, and gets a belated recall to the Wales camp by Monday morning (someone is bound to withdraw over the weekend due to fitness/injury issues).
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Post by cadno on Mar 20, 2021 15:42:28 GMT
OTJ was on the radio this morning saying how Vaulks suits the way Cardiff play but there is a difference when it comes to international football and he doesn't really suit how Wales want to play, someone like Sheehan suits us better even if he's in League 2.
I'm not surprised by Giggs' poor communication and man management but I expected better from Page. You wouldn't have had that from Cookie.
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