|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Mar 20, 2021 16:55:17 GMT
Very poor man management, at least give him a call
He's nailed on to get sent off today though
|
|
|
|
Post by dai on Mar 20, 2021 17:44:29 GMT
Cardiff goal comes from a Vaulks long throw.......just saying.
|
|
|
|
Post by underwood on Mar 21, 2021 12:05:42 GMT
His long throw is an incredibly potent weapon & under McCarthy City have profited from it enormously.
However I think Cardiff possess more of an aerial threat than Wales, the combination of Morisson, Pack, Flint & Moore is pretty hard to combat.
|
|
|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Mar 21, 2021 12:26:51 GMT
His long throw is an incredibly potent weapon & under McCarthy City have profited from it enormously. However I think Cardiff possess more of an aerial threat than Wales, the combination of Morisson, Pack, Flint & Moore is pretty hard to combat. Bale, Moore & Rodon ain't bad |
|
|
|
Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 21, 2021 14:05:04 GMT
I'm still thinking he may be called up to this camp at some point.
A phone call from Page, who knows?
WV probably not too far away from the Vale!
|
|
|
|
Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 21, 2021 20:34:32 GMT
Vaulks in for the injured Ramsey??
|
|
|
|
Post by dai on Mar 21, 2021 20:41:30 GMT
Vaulks in for the injured Ramsey?? Logically yes, but I wouldn't be surprised if no-one is called up. |
|
|
|
Post by marsvolta on Mar 21, 2021 20:47:16 GMT
Vaulks in for the injured Ramsey?? Logically yes, but I wouldn't be surprised if no-one is called up. Yeah, you can’t help thinking that 31 were named in the squad with the expectation that it would be down to the usual 28 once the withdrawals came through. |
|
|
|
Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 21, 2021 22:25:40 GMT
Yeah they won't call anyone in unless it's from the youth team I wouldn't have thought. That's the way they did it in the last camps with covid restrictions. As mentioned above the original squad will have been picked on the assumption that there will be drop outs between now and the last game. It's not like we are short for no.10s and Vaulks plays a different position anyway
|
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Mar 23, 2021 14:49:00 GMT
In my opinion Vaulks isn't good enough for international football, I watched him closely V Swansea, he gave away 2 dangerous free kicks and offered nothing going forward and looked like he could easily get sent off.
You can't pick a player just for a long throw in
|
|
|
|
Post by iot on Mar 23, 2021 15:05:35 GMT
In my opinion Vaulks isn't good enough for international football, I watched him closely V Swansea, he gave away 2 dangerous free kicks and offered nothing going forward and looked like he could easily get sent off. You can't pick a player just for a long throw in Is he any better than Roberts or Bale at long throws anyway? |
|
|
|
Post by dlwilliams on Mar 23, 2021 15:25:32 GMT
The reaction to him not being called up has been ludicrous. Maybe this is harsh, but he's just a Championship clogger. I would have him in the squad, but not much more than that. It'd probably be alright starting him against Cyprus or the like, but not against the top sides, or even second-tier sides like the Czechs. I was thinking that in that regard, he reminds me a bit of the likes of Dave Edwards, but then I realised I was probably being a bit unfair to Edwards!
|
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Mar 23, 2021 15:56:12 GMT
Very unfair to David Edwards who I would still prefer to call up now than Vaulks
|
|
|
|
Post by dai on Mar 23, 2021 16:00:43 GMT
I really rated David Edwards, and I'd probably say in his era, he was better than Ledley and King.
Can you honestly say the likes of Smith and Levitt are better than Vaulks? I've also stressed multiple times that Vaulks has been given little opportunity, yet Levitt has been capped 5 times despite being well beyond the standard required.
|
|
|
|
Post by eppingblue1 on Mar 23, 2021 16:20:46 GMT
I really rated David Edwards, and I'd probably say in his era, he was better than Ledley and King. Can you honestly say the likes of Smith and Levitt are better than Vaulks? I've also stressed multiple times that Vaulks has been given little opportunity, yet Levitt has been capped 5 times despite being well beyond the standard required. You must mean "below" the standard required |
|
|
|
Post by dai on Mar 23, 2021 16:23:19 GMT
I really rated David Edwards, and I'd probably say in his era, he was better than Ledley and King. Can you honestly say the likes of Smith and Levitt are better than Vaulks? I've also stressed multiple times that Vaulks has been given little opportunity, yet Levitt has been capped 5 times despite being well beyond the standard required. You must mean "below" the standard required Ha, yes. |
|
|
|
Post by holmesdaleultra on Mar 23, 2021 17:41:52 GMT
Vaulks was very poor against Croatia.
|
|
|
|
Post by dlwilliams on Mar 23, 2021 20:44:57 GMT
I really rated David Edwards, and I'd probably say in his era, he was better than Ledley and King. Can you honestly say the likes of Smith and Levitt are better than Vaulks? I've also stressed multiple times that Vaulks has been given little opportunity, yet Levitt has been capped 5 times despite being well beyond the standard required. Obviously, Levitt hasn’t shown much as yet. Smith has faded away a bit after the inaugural Nations League and the first few Euros qualifiers, but has acquitted himself reasonably well so far. |
|
|
|
Post by dlwilliams on Mar 23, 2021 20:48:36 GMT
Vaulks was very poor against Croatia. To be fair, he was chucked in at the deep end a bit on that occasion. He’d only played the T&T friendly and the last few minutes of the Slovakia qualifier. I think it was also the fact that Ampadu wasn’t 100% that meant we didn’t have too many options. |
|
|
|
Post by talyfan on Mar 23, 2021 21:49:02 GMT
No harm in calling up Vaulks in my opinion. Only other big physical presence midfielder type option we have other than Ampadu, bit of a goal threat, can cover at centre half and right back and actually plays for his club too.
The profile of Smith and Levitt we already have available with players Allen, Morrell and even Sheehan to an extent.
|
|
|
|
Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 23, 2021 22:19:06 GMT
So much has been said about Vaulks, but I just can't see a scenario in which he gets on the pitch in any of these games - therefore I can agree with not including him
I think the feeling is that once Sheehan steps up a level, the type of player he is suits our game better. Vaulks is 27 & unlikely to improve much, he offers something different yes - but you need more than that to get into our starting XI. I honestly think Sheehan would be able to deputise for Allen/Morrell/Smith better than Vaulks could
|
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Mar 24, 2021 9:29:50 GMT
Vaulks in for the injured Ramsey?? Probably one of the most heart breaking posts on here, Vaulks for Ramsey we are in trouble |
|
|
|
Post by eppingblue1 on Mar 24, 2021 10:24:52 GMT
So much has been said about Vaulks, but I just can't see a scenario in which he gets on the pitch in any of these games - therefore I can agree with not including him I think the feeling is that once Sheehan steps up a level, the type of player he is suits our game better. Vaulks is 27 & unlikely to improve much, he offers something different yes - but you need more than that to get into our starting XI. I honestly think Sheehan would be able to deputise for Allen/Morrell/Smith better than Vaulks could I remember similar comparisons between Emyr Huws and Ledley 6 / 7 years ago. He turned out to be a push over and I fear we'll be saying the same thing about Sheehan, Morrell and Smith in years to come. Vaulks my have his limitations but putting his foot in and giving a good shift isn't part of them. |
|
|
|
Post by iot on Mar 24, 2021 11:08:57 GMT
So much has been said about Vaulks, but I just can't see a scenario in which he gets on the pitch in any of these games - therefore I can agree with not including him I think the feeling is that once Sheehan steps up a level, the type of player he is suits our game better. Vaulks is 27 & unlikely to improve much, he offers something different yes - but you need more than that to get into our starting XI. I honestly think Sheehan would be able to deputise for Allen/Morrell/Smith better than Vaulks could I remember similar comparisons between Emyr Huws and Ledley 6 / 7 years ago. He turned out to be a push over and I fear we'll be saying the same thing about Sheehan, Morrell and Smith in years to come. Vaulks my have his limitations but putting his foot in and giving a good shift isn't part of them. The one thing you always got with Ledley was grit and some protection for the defence. Emyr Huws was obviously technically way better, but never showed that he was anything more than a luxury player. I think Matty Smith and Morrell have both shown that they have plenty of grit to go alongside decent technique, so I'm not sure if this comparison works. |
|
|
|
Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 24, 2021 11:17:29 GMT
So much has been said about Vaulks, but I just can't see a scenario in which he gets on the pitch in any of these games - therefore I can agree with not including him I think the feeling is that once Sheehan steps up a level, the type of player he is suits our game better. Vaulks is 27 & unlikely to improve much, he offers something different yes - but you need more than that to get into our starting XI. I honestly think Sheehan would be able to deputise for Allen/Morrell/Smith better than Vaulks could I remember similar comparisons between Emyr Huws and Ledley 6 / 7 years ago. He turned out to be a push over and I fear we'll be saying the same thing about Sheehan, Morrell and Smith in years to come. Vaulks my have his limitations but putting his foot in and giving a good shift isn't part of them. I agree he gets busy, and is comfortable putting himself about. However, I believe positional awareness/discipline is more important in international football. Vaulks's busy-ness doesn't cover for his positional faults. He's often very keen to get up the pitch and support the attack. In internationals you can't do this if you're playing in a sitting role. In that sense, whilst he provides variety, he isn't a direct replacement for someone like Ampadu, even if you could similarly describe him as a "physical" midfielder. Smith/Morrell/Sheehan may all be a similar type, but they are all very disciplined & positionally aware. They can sit in and cover, and are better on the ball than Vaulks too. Variety for variety's sake isn't necessarily the best approach I'm aware it's a gap in our squad that we don't have a like for like holding midfielder when we need to move Ampadu back, but Vaulks isn't the answer to this. It's something we'll have to just hope for in terms of seeing someone coming through in the future. At the moment the plan seems to be hope Smith/Morrell/Sheehan/Burton etc.. can operate like having 2 Joe Allen's in there |
|
|
|
Post by eppingblue1 on Mar 24, 2021 12:38:13 GMT
I remember similar comparisons between Emyr Huws and Ledley 6 / 7 years ago. He turned out to be a push over and I fear we'll be saying the same thing about Sheehan, Morrell and Smith in years to come. Vaulks my have his limitations but putting his foot in and giving a good shift isn't part of them. I agree he gets busy, and is comfortable putting himself about. However, I believe positional awareness/discipline is more important in international football. Vaulks's busy-ness doesn't cover for his positional faults. He's often very keen to get up the pitch and support the attack. In internationals you can't do this if you're playing in a sitting role. In that sense, whilst he provides variety, he isn't a direct replacement for someone like Ampadu, even if you could similarly describe him as a "physical" midfielder. Smith/Morrell/Sheehan may all be a similar type, but they are all very disciplined & positionally aware. They can sit in and cover, and are better on the ball than Vaulks too. Variety for variety's sake isn't necessarily the best approach I'm aware it's a gap in our squad that we don't have a like for like holding midfielder when we need to move Ampadu back, but Vaulks isn't the answer to this. It's something we'll have to just hope for in terms of seeing someone coming through in the future. At the moment the plan seems to be hope Smith/Morrell/Sheehan/Burton etc.. can operate like having 2 Joe Allen's in there I hope we move Ampadu alongside Allen tonight, not just to beef up the midfield but to get him out of the defence where I think he can be a calamity waiting to happen. Not been massively impressed by Allen since he returned but he's by far the best of what we've got for that position. I'd go with Mepham and Cabango either side of Roden in the back with Roberts and RND for wing backs. Bale, James and Moore up top although I'd be happy to see Robson Kanu or T Roberts in the mix. Don't see how Wilson fits in tonight and I'd be anxious about how we change the midfield when necessary. This is a game too far for the lads you refer to. |
|
|
|
Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 24, 2021 15:28:39 GMT
Vaulks was very poor against Croatia. To be fair, he was chucked in at the deep end a bit on that occasion. He’d only played the T&T friendly and the last few minutes of the Slovakia qualifier. I think it was also the fact that Ampadu wasn’t 100% that meant we didn’t have too many options. There aren't many midfielders out there who wouldn't struggle against a trio of Modric, Brozovic and Kovacic. |
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Mar 24, 2021 16:03:21 GMT
How can you say Ampadu is a calamity wating to happen. He has made hardly any mistakes playing in a side at the bottom of the league.
Tonight he will have more caps than his age, he gets in our team at either centre half or midfield.
He will be one of our all time greats if he stays clear of injury
|
|
|
|
Post by manulike on Mar 24, 2021 20:43:37 GMT
Vaulks in for the injured Ramsey?? Probably one of the most heart breaking posts on here, Vaulks for Ramsey we are in trouble Now, with Joe being out as well, not taking Vaulks is plain daft |
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Mar 24, 2021 20:49:02 GMT
Why, we have hardly had a throw in
|
|
