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Post by tbm on Apr 1, 2014 15:35:48 GMT
I've already stated my concerns regarding the future of the grass-roots game, Glamorgan and Sophia Gardens.
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Post by rrs on Apr 1, 2014 18:40:16 GMT
So what is the point , I mean aim of cricket in Wales ?
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Post by tbm on Apr 3, 2014 18:45:23 GMT
I dunno. What is the point of any sport? I think you're confusing a game of trying to knock little sticks off other sticks with a ball with the meaning of life.
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Post by caeboy on Apr 3, 2014 18:52:05 GMT
I dunno. What is the point of any sport? I think you're confusing a game of trying to knock little sticks off other sticks with a ball with the meaning of life. Shit response. Or isn't there a point of cricket in Wales.
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Post by tbm on Apr 3, 2014 19:50:24 GMT
So I'm guessing the only point of any sport to you two is playing for Wales and you're ever-so-slightly unwilling to accept that that isn't a view shared by everyone else. Right?
We've already covered that a Wales ODI team will still see players aiming to play test for England.
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Post by caeboy on Apr 3, 2014 21:02:20 GMT
So I'm guessing the only point of any sport to you two is playing for Wales and you're ever-so-slightly unwilling to accept that that isn't a view shared by everyone else. Right? We've already covered that a Wales ODI team will still see players aiming to play test for England. So what is the point? Just answer the question!
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Post by tbm on Apr 3, 2014 21:14:05 GMT
But I'm not sure I really understand the question. You want to know the reason cricket in Wales exists without an ODI team? So people can play the game, follow Glamorgan or the Minor Counties team, support England if they so choose, other usual stuff. I'm not sure what greater "point" you're looking for.
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Post by rrs on Apr 7, 2014 20:31:19 GMT
You want to know the reason cricket in Wales exists without an ODI team? So people can play the game, follow Glamorgan or the Minor Counties team, support England if they so choose, other usual stuff. I'm not sure what greater "point" you're looking for. What a load of crap. Wales doesn't have a team and Wales doesn't get any profile for this shit! Can you imagine England saying they can't have a team have a team because they've got Kent! Or the Netherlands saying there wont be a national team because there's a team in De Hague!
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Post by tbm on Apr 8, 2014 7:49:53 GMT
I only said there is still a point to cricket in Wales without an ODI team. I get that you personally are not interested in Glamorgan.
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Post by caeboy on Apr 9, 2014 17:21:14 GMT
But I'm not sure I really understand the question. You want to know the reason cricket in Wales exists without an ODI team? So people can play the game, follow Glamorgan or the Minor Counties team, support England if they so choose, other usual stuff. I'm not sure what greater "point" you're looking for. This just about sums 'Welsh' England cricket supporters up. No ambition for Wales, blinkered, negative people who look for problems not solutions. Everything has to start somewhere but they'll never have the vision to go beyond sniffling and grovelling to the ECB. You've excelled yourself Uncle Tbm.
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Post by tbm on Apr 9, 2014 22:42:49 GMT
Impossible not to be negative when you follow Glummy!
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Post by caeboy on Apr 17, 2014 13:55:44 GMT
So not only can Wales not have a national team like other countries because a former county in Wales has a team, but the county team is an ineffective one! Perfect!
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Post by tbm on Apr 20, 2014 21:33:00 GMT
I like how TP religiously "likes" every post that agrees with his stance. A man of high standards is a man to admire.
But it's a bit of a bugger, eh? Glamorgan aren't good at test cricket, but Wales don't really exist within an entirely different form of the game. One which I repeatedly indicate not preferring, to seemingly little avail. How about you work on calling me an "Uncle Tom" until I like limited-overs over the test game? And again to spontaneously make me give up my lifelong following of Glamorgan? TP'll like that a lot, I reckon.
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Post by Tim P on Apr 21, 2014 14:32:10 GMT
I like how TP religiously "likes" every post that agrees with his stance. A man of high standards is a man to admire. Pretty sure that's what the like button is for though? Or should I like posts that I completely disagree with, just for some kind of balance?
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Post by georgetm1 on Apr 21, 2014 15:22:36 GMT
Its an absolute disgrace that we are being denied a national team. But the worse thing is that it isn't an English choice, it made by a shite cricket team that only people living in that area support and by our traitor AM's sitting on there fat sycophantic arses in Cardiff Bay. We are being denied a national team by a fucking club team who can't survive on their own without help from another country. Its totally pathetic.
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Post by rrs on Apr 21, 2014 17:49:48 GMT
I like how TP religiously "likes" every post that agrees with his stance. A man of high standards is a man to admire. But it's a bit of a bugger, eh? Glamorgan aren't good at test cricket, but Wales don't really exist within an entirely different form of the game. One which I repeatedly indicate not preferring, to seemingly little avail. How about you work on calling me an "Uncle Tom" until I like limited-overs over the test game? And again to spontaneously make me give up my lifelong following of Glamorgan? TP'll like that a lot, I reckon. I think a Welshman who wants to see the development of his country through sport or any thing else is something to admire as it goes!
And why wouldn't you give up a lifelong following of Glamorgan - you gave up on your lifelong nationality and the possibilities for your country so you can support England after all! if you are actually claiming to be Welsh that is.
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Post by rrs on Apr 21, 2014 17:52:06 GMT
I only said there is still a point to cricket in Wales without an ODI team. I get that you personally are not interested in Glamorgan. You said there is a point to cricket in Wales but did a pretty shit job of describing what that point is! What was it again exactly?
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Post by tbm on Apr 22, 2014 9:24:57 GMT
I like how TP religiously "likes" every post that agrees with his stance. A man of high standards is a man to admire. Pretty sure that's what the like button is for though? Or should I like posts that I completely disagree with, just for some kind of balance? Nah, but perhaps try liking posts for both the quality of their content and because you agree with their stance. It just strikes me as a bit weird that you make an effort to "like" every time, say, Stu has got away from his handler long enough to bash 'i h8 ingurlund' into a keyboard with his palms.
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Post by tbm on Apr 22, 2014 9:26:28 GMT
And why wouldn't you give up a lifelong following of Glamorgan - you gave up on your lifelong nationality and the possibilities for your country so you can support England after all! if you are actually claiming to be Welsh that is. Bit of a melodramatic soul, ain't cha? I prefer test cricket to ODI. I'm not really even that bothered about ODI. I certainly gloss over Glam's ODI games. Even the T20 I'm rather fuzzy on, attention-wise. My main focus, cricket-wise, is Glam's County Championship campaign. I really have no great interest in giving that up for a Wales B-team to play occasional ODIs. I don't get why you all have a problem with that, but since no one seems happy about it, I will apologise for the offence caused. I won't, however, change my opinion. Again, sorry.
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Post by rrs on Apr 22, 2014 9:43:23 GMT
Pretty sure that's what the like button is for though? Or should I like posts that I completely disagree with, just for some kind of balance? Nah, but perhaps try liking posts for both the quality of their content and because you agree with their stance. It just strikes me as a bit weird that you make an effort to "like" every time, say, Stu has got away from his handler long enough to bash 'i h8 ingurlund' into a keyboard with his palms. Quality of the content!!! How wrapped up in yourself are you! Typical Ingurland supporter! Bet you fit right in with the Barmy Army! What should he do if he also finds your opinions one eyed garbage that short changes Wales, delivered in a pompous, condescending way??
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Post by tbm on Apr 22, 2014 9:51:56 GMT
Nah, but perhaps try liking posts for both the quality of their content and because you agree with their stance. It just strikes me as a bit weird that you make an effort to "like" every time, say, Stu has got away from his handler long enough to bash 'i h8 ingurlund' into a keyboard with his palms. Quality of the content!!! How wrapped up in yourself are you! Typical Ingurland supporter! Bet you fit right in with the Barmy Army! What should he do if he also finds your opinions one eyed garbage that short changes Wales, delivered in a pompous, condescending way?? I'm not saying he should like my posts. He disagrees with them. That's fine. That's why we have a messageboard. I just find it funny that he will 'like' any post that follows his stance regardless of quality. Look, I get your point. I fully understand it. Nothing within cricket in Wales appeals to you guys. That's also fine. You have no interest in Glamorgan. Some of you live nowhere near them. The youth set-up is of no appeal to you. Nor the Minor Counties team. The backing the amateur game get is not something you're interested in either. But a Wales ODI team would be something you want. Again, really, I understand. But since I do care about Glamorgan, I cannot agree. Try to do the same. Accept that I have spent years following Glummy's piss-poor four-day exploits and I want them to remain. You won't agree, we never will agree, but at least be adult about it and agree to disagree rather than endless posts for days on end about 'giving up on your country' and 'traitors'. It's just all a bit immature.
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Post by rrs on Apr 22, 2014 10:47:28 GMT
I really don't think you do get it! you describe that the most a One day Wales team could aspire to is being a Wales B team playing occasional One day internationals. World Cup?? Then you can't offer any thing worth while in the current system. Plenty of people on here have given valid solutions including that of Glamorgan taking the county championship role, Wales as the one day international team. You've dismissed it on financial grounds ignoring those on here who have offered financing models, and tried use the anti-English card as a reason to deny Wales a national team and that Welsh people should support the England cricket as our team. Again, would you apply this to the Welsh football team? If you're going to apologise for anything do it for confusing being cocky & arrogant for trying to be clever when shitting on your country. If you are Welsh to some degree that is.
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Post by tbm on Apr 22, 2014 11:07:57 GMT
World Cup? Seriously? Yet again, for the seemingly billionth time, I'm not interested in one-day cricket. I've never even seen one game of the ODI World Cup. I want Glamorgan to remain playing first-class cricket. The only "financing model" that has been offered to allow that to happen is that the Welsh Government should just give Glamorgan money. I don't think that is a sufficient model.
I'm getting really tired of this. You're trying to persuade me to prefer an ODI Wales team to four-day Glamorgan by just insulting me incessantly. We're just going round in circles. Just accept it and move on.
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Post by tbm on Apr 22, 2014 11:55:47 GMT
Actually, instead, since clearly you will never just accept it, maybe it'd be better if I explained to you why I prefer full cricket over the limited-overs game. Maybe it's better to drag this conversation back to the actual game of cricket and you can tell me why you prefer ODs.
Why I don't like the max. overs game is because it removes all the nuances of the sport itself, in return for marketability. When the game depends entirely on which team can score the most as fast as possible, you lose the tactics. Everything from calling the toss based off the weather report, to the defence of the wicket during the last partnership in order to bat out the draw, are gone. It really becomes nothing more than essentially a game of baseball where everyone is told to only try to hit homeruns.
Bowling becomes superfluous; it's no longer about trying to get the key mid-order guy out, just throwing a shit ball he's unlikely to be able to hit for a six. It's, to me, a game that lasts for an entire day, but nothing but the part of the test game where the fielding side are looking to keep down the runs for a few overs so as to rally before they get the new ball. I don't like either limited-overs form of the game, but one day also has the horrible additive of not even being played over a period of time that could at least be marketed as a spectator event.
I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on this.
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Post by stu on Apr 22, 2014 17:10:50 GMT
Pretty sure that's what the like button is for though? Or should I like posts that I completely disagree with, just for some kind of balance? Nah, but perhaps try liking posts for both the quality of their content and because you agree with their stance. It just strikes me as a bit weird that you make an effort to "like" every time, say, Stu has got away from his handler long enough to bash 'i h8 ingurlund' into a keyboard with his palms. Do you seriously think I would use a lower case I and text speak? You clearly are a clueless moron. Anyway, I don't know if anyone else picked up on it but one of the reasons why so many of our anti-Wales Ams voted against having our own team is that we'd be shit. So we instead have to be represented by England, who lost 5-0 to Australia in the main series and 4-1 (?) in the one day series. They then lost to Holland and the joke doing the rounds was that Holland would now have to invent a word for cricket.
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Post by tbm on Apr 22, 2014 17:29:43 GMT
Nah, but perhaps try liking posts for both the quality of their content and because you agree with their stance. It just strikes me as a bit weird that you make an effort to "like" every time, say, Stu has got away from his handler long enough to bash 'i h8 ingurlund' into a keyboard with his palms. Do you seriously think I would use a lower case I and text speak? You clearly are a clueless moron. No. It was hyperbolic. But I do love that the grammar is your only point of contention.
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Post by Tim P on Apr 22, 2014 17:59:33 GMT
Quality of the content!!! How wrapped up in yourself are you! Typical Ingurland supporter! Bet you fit right in with the Barmy Army! What should he do if he also finds your opinions one eyed garbage that short changes Wales, delivered in a pompous, condescending way?? I just find it funny that he will 'like' any post that follows his stance regardless of quality. Do I do that? Have a look through this thread and get back to me on that one.
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Post by tbm on Apr 22, 2014 18:03:51 GMT
I believe so, yes. Not that it's important. You can like whatever and whomever you like.
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Post by caeboy on Apr 22, 2014 20:00:10 GMT
World Cup? Seriously? Yet again, for the seemingly billionth time, I'm not interested in one-day cricket. I've never even seen one game of the ODI World Cup. I want Glamorgan to remain playing first-class cricket. The only "financing model" that has been offered to allow that to happen is that the Welsh Government should just give Glamorgan money. I don't think that is a sufficient model. I'm getting really tired of this. You're trying to persuade me to prefer an ODI Wales team to four-day Glamorgan by just insulting me incessantly. We're just going round in circles. Just accept it and move on. Can someone explain to me who is trying to persuade this guy to prefer ODIs to county cricket? I thought the topic was about Wales not Tbm's personal sporting preferences, therefore I must have missed this! So Just accept it and move on... As long as; 1.he can have the last post. 2. He can dismiss all calls for Wales to have a representative team as anti-English or childish. 3. Nobody 'likes' any opposing opinion.
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Post by tbm on Apr 22, 2014 20:57:37 GMT
Can someone explain to me who is trying to persuade this guy to prefer ODIs to county cricket? I thought the topic was about Wales not Tbm's personal sporting preferences, therefore I must have missed this! The topic is about Wales gaining an ODI team. This would jeopardise Glamorgan's continued participation in the County Championship. That's the relevance of first class over ODI.
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