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Post by squatter1 on Feb 24, 2020 14:24:35 GMT
Completely disagree with the point highlighted in black. Take the brazilian world cup winning teams for example. They had lots of superstars but also some limited, solid players who just did what needed to be done to let the others shine - the likes of Kleberson and gilberto silva in the 2002 world cup. Fair point, although Kleberson and Silva played at a higher level (Man U and Arsenal) than Moore ever has.
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Post by quetzal on Feb 24, 2020 17:26:44 GMT
Completely disagree with the point highlighted in black. Take the brazilian world cup winning teams for example. They had lots of superstars but also some limited, solid players who just did what needed to be done to let the others shine - the likes of Kleberson and gilberto silva in the 2002 world cup. Fair point, although Kleberson and Silva played at a higher level (Man U and Arsenal) than Moore ever has. Good see you are still alive. Squatter1 it’s been a while
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 24, 2020 17:45:57 GMT
Bumped into some West Brom fans in Bristol on Sat after the match. Asked them about Hal, and they were gushing. Said he's been immense for them this season. Main thing they were talking about was the work he does for the team, holding the ball up, running the channels, chasing everything. Which, let's face it, is exactly why we've turned to Keiffer Moore - to provide an outlet ball for our AM's to play off. If you take away the fact HRK retired, I don't think there would be any doubt he would be in the team ahead of Moore. Moore has done really well, but he's languishing at the bottom of the Championship, HRK is about to help get a team promoted out of it. If he's got any sense, what Giggs will do is talk to Bale, Ramsey, Gunter etc, and ask them whether they think Hal should be called up. If the senior players are all for it, then he should come. If they say it would be bad for morale, then it shouldn't happen. Keiffer's done great for us, but he's not a sustainable solution. You simply can't expect sustained success with players of his limitations. HRK is not a great player either, but he's got more assets than Keiffer Moore, and has spent his career playing at a higher level as a result. The fact we're even talking about which one from Moore/HRK would be preferable is sadly an indictment of our options upfront, but there you go. For what it's worth, I would rather we switch back to trying Bale up front, with James, Ramsey, Brooks behind him, and go down in a free-flowing ball of flames, rather than risk looking stoneage, playing embarrassing hoofball to Moore and still not qualifying from the group. IMO we've played our best most exciting football in recent times with Moore in the team, Ireland (H) aside.
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Post by squatter1 on Feb 24, 2020 19:23:18 GMT
Fair point, although Kleberson and Silva played at a higher level (Man U and Arsenal) than Moore ever has. Good see you are still alive. Squatter1 it’s been a while Thanks man, still here. I kinda gave up posting after 2016 cos it felt like all my footballing dreams had come true and I had nothing left to say. But always following the team, always lurking here, and feel like I might start spouting off a bit again now that another set of Euros are on their way! Get ready for some wisdom.
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Post by underwood on Feb 24, 2020 19:41:20 GMT
Good see you are still alive. Squatter1 it’s been a while Thanks man, still here. I kinda gave up posting after 2016 cos it felt like all my footballing dreams had come true and I had nothing left to say. But always following the team, always lurking here, and feel like I might start spouting off a bit again now that another set of Euros are on their way! Get ready for some wisdom. You could say that you are ‘doing an HRK’ then...
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 24, 2020 21:10:12 GMT
You going on as if he had score 30 goals every season since 2010. He scored 5 goals for Wales. Only 2 were before Euro2016. This is his best season ever for goalscoring, and we have 2 months of it left. "You going on as if he had score 30 goals every season since 2010." I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, but anyway... My only point is, he started the season on fire scoring 6 in 14 games. If he had continued scoring at that rate and if he was also putting in good all-round performances, it would be difficult to leave him out. But, in the 14 games since then he's only managed 3 goals and I know anecdotally there have been games where he's been poor. There was a great hoo-ha about his form earlier in the season which came back up after his brace the other day, I was only pointing out that in the middle of all that he'd only managed 1 goal in 13. I suspect most people wouldn't have known that and would have just assumed he'd been banging them in throughout, so it's important not to blow his credentials for a squad place out of proportion. Because of the way he left us whilst others (who were also not getting any gametime) stuck at it, he needs to do more than most to get a call-up. 6 goals in 14 games for him is way above usual standard. He doubled his Wales tally in France. This season has been his best as a pro, he's in better form than at any point he played for Wales previously. As sqatter1 says, its not just his goals but overall workrate. Hal was a bit part player for most of his career before this season. He would often come on off the bench. He has mainly started this season. Moore is a lot worse than HRK if you just look at goals this season. Moore has scored 4 goals this season? 2 pens. So by your reasoning, HRK should be there in front of Moore. I would like to see them both called up next month. Yet some people would rather we don't try him out in March. I can't see Hal being bad for morale. He didn't fall out with players (as far as we know), just his family life and injuries made him stop with Wales, and only for a year. It's not like he retired 5 years ago. Don't forget Danny Gabbidon retired and came back. Doubt there was any uproar about that? Or was it a case of iT waS Ok caUSe He wAS a BlUEbirD ?
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Post by squatter1 on Feb 24, 2020 23:40:30 GMT
Thanks man, still here. I kinda gave up posting after 2016 cos it felt like all my footballing dreams had come true and I had nothing left to say. But always following the team, always lurking here, and feel like I might start spouting off a bit again now that another set of Euros are on their way! Get ready for some wisdom. You could say that you are ‘doing an HRK’ then... 😂🤙
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Post by underwood on Feb 25, 2020 20:11:41 GMT
Guess what?
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Post by sleepy on Feb 25, 2020 20:51:45 GMT
He's not making it easy for Giggs? He's in my squad.
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Post by cymru98 on Feb 25, 2020 22:01:59 GMT
Another goal and keeping Austin out of the team
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Feb 25, 2020 22:12:47 GMT
His ‘retirement’ doesn’t sit well with me..... but he’s in great form and even if he’s not scoring he helps the team with his hold up play and workrate. He’s on the plane for me, but in the middle seat next to two fat strangers
Him, Mawr and Doidge (pending March performances) for me. Don’t think Brooksy will be fit so Bale will be classed as a winger.
I really rate Tyler Roberts too, but he is just so unfortunate with injuries that I don’t think I’d trust his body in a tournament format, in what is already quite an injury prone squad.
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Post by robin1864 on Feb 26, 2020 1:38:09 GMT
His ‘retirement’ doesn’t sit well with me..... but he’s in great form and even if he’s not scoring he helps the team with his hold up play and workrate. He’s on the plane for me, but in the middle seat next to two fat strangers Him, Mawr and Doidge (pending March performances) for me. Don’t think Brooksy will be fit so Bale will be classed as a winger. I really rate Tyler Roberts too, but he is just so unfortunate with injuries that I don’t think I’d trust his body in a tournament format, in what is already quite an injury prone squad. I don't blame Hal for his temporary retirement, his career was at a crossroads post-2016 and he was played more out of necessity than want at WBA. Entering the twilight stages of his career too, it's entirely logical from a financial standpoint he wanted to keep himself as fit as possible for possible new clubs, and Wales appearances just didn't pay the bills. He's obviously come good for WBA now and forced his way into favour, so things are looking up for him again and I'd imagine he regrets making such a knee-jerk decision to leave the Wales camp. I'd take HRK & Moore, then leave the third striker spot open for Vokes, Bradshaw & Tyler Roberts to compete for it in a training camp.
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Post by quetzal on Feb 26, 2020 21:19:34 GMT
He definitely goes because there’s no competition to keep him out. It’s a result business. I bet you Rambo and Bale will want him there
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 27, 2020 17:29:01 GMT
I bet you Rambo and Bale will want him there This
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Post by superunknown on Feb 27, 2020 20:12:55 GMT
I was annoyed at first tbh, still irks me a little the way he went out and now wants back. Having said that we're not Germany or France or England who can afford to leave players like that at home in that kind of form. Gotta go for me, assuming he continues until the end of the season.
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Post by TheWelshWay on Feb 28, 2020 10:45:02 GMT
I was annoyed at first tbh, still irks me a little the way he went out and now wants back. Having said that we're not Germany or France or England who can afford to leave players like that at home in that kind of form. Gotta go for me, assuming he continues until the end of the season. I was the same. I think if he was in avarage form and hopeing to get in on his past exploits - then the answer would be No.
I think we have to look at him as if he's never played for us before. He's an in form striker in the Championship in a team that is looking like its going up with 10 gaols this season - surely that deserves a call up for March.
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Post by marsvolta on Feb 29, 2020 22:28:37 GMT
Just reading an article in today’s Daily Express saying that Giggs has dashed Robson-Kanu’s hopes of a recall because he is going to stay loyal to the players that got us to the Euros.
Interesting if true.
Sorry can’t find the link, just read the article in the paper in my Chinese. ( I would google a bit harder but these prawn balls won’t eat themselves)
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Post by larslagerback on Mar 1, 2020 14:59:12 GMT
Just reading an article in today’s Daily Express saying that Giggs is going to stay loyal. Now that would be ironic.
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Post by welshiron on Mar 1, 2020 15:44:51 GMT
Giggs was very loyal
To Man Utd and Fergie
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 6, 2020 16:07:30 GMT
The second coming was promising, changed the dynamic of the game and gave them something else to think about.
Good to have you back Hal.
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Post by pendragon on Sept 6, 2020 18:18:43 GMT
I was impressed with the little I saw of him.
Seemed lively and dynamic.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 6, 2020 18:21:45 GMT
Yeah really made the difference for us - ball was going into his feet & their CBs had to try to adjust. His lay off for the goal at the end was very reminiscent of his layoff for the goal against Northern Ireland. Classic Hal. Great to have him back as an option!
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Post by pendragon on Sept 6, 2020 18:33:42 GMT
Yeah really made the difference for us - ball was going into his feet & their CBs had to try to adjust. His lay off for the goal at the end was very reminiscent of his layoff for the goal against Northern Ireland. Classic Hal. Great to have him back as an option! And now of course, he is going to be getting some premier league action...
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Post by dai on Sept 6, 2020 18:53:06 GMT
Obviously I was a huge critic of HRK retiring early, and even a bigger critic for coming out of retirement at a questionable time.
However today showed he is a step above Moore, and arguably may suit our style of play better. It's to be expected as he's more experienced than Kieffer and has played longer at a higher level. I'll reserve full judgement until he starts and plays 60+ mins, but what he does have, which we need, are superior ball retention and better team work ability.
Will be a tough choice between them if Moore does well at Cardiff and HRK plays often in PL.
Welcome back Hal. (argh that was tough)
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 13, 2020 12:09:01 GMT
HRK MK2 on the bench for WBA today. Could get some game time second half.
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Post by hooky on Sept 13, 2020 12:37:47 GMT
Robson-Kanu dumped straight on to the bench. Not promising! I didn't see Robinson as particularly outstanding whenever I have watched him playing for Ireland? He scored just 3 goals when he joined them half way through the season - so it must be disappointing for Robson-Kanu I guess.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 13, 2020 12:59:59 GMT
Robson-Kanu dumped straight on to the bench. Not promising! I didn't see Robinson as particularly outstanding whenever I have watched him playing for Ireland? He scored just 3 goals when he joined them half way through the season - so it must be disappointing for Robson-Kanu I guess. He's rubbish, surely Hal can stake his claim in that side again.
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Post by underwood on Sept 14, 2020 7:36:49 GMT
Hal will get games because West Brom are going to have to try everything in their futile attempt to stay up. Nailed on for relegation along with Fulham.
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Post by pendragon on Sept 14, 2020 8:47:47 GMT
Did anyone see how he performed when he came on?
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 16, 2020 19:41:10 GMT
Crackin goal from Hal tonight
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