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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 24, 2021 22:11:36 GMT
Not sure Hal makes the squad for Euros. Who you include Hal? Zero goals for West Brom this season albeit not starting and in a very poor side. Sent home from Welsh squad for breaking protocol. Possibly not with Tyler Roberts's upswing in form and playing time. I like Hal, but if we have Moore, Bale, Ramsey, Brooks, Wilson, James & Roberts all fit and available I can't see us needing him. He would have made the squad if we picked it last year, but now I don't think so
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Post by welshiron on Apr 25, 2021 9:05:56 GMT
Doesn't make my squad
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Post by iot on Apr 25, 2021 11:59:03 GMT
We all know what he brings. I don't think his lack of playing time / goals affects his chances as much as it would for other players because he has a very specific purpose in the team - the nuisance factor, pressing, providing an outball and he's very useful when we're trying to close games out. I don't think any of that will have been affected by his lack of gametime this season. Apart from Moore, he's the only other player in our squad that can do it. But he probably still just about misses out for me.
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Post by CrackityJones on May 16, 2021 14:40:31 GMT
A rare start for Hal today against Liverpool
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 16, 2021 15:54:49 GMT
A rare start for Hal today against Liverpool ...and scores!
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Post by manulike on May 16, 2021 16:17:50 GMT
A rare start for Hal today against Liverpool ...and scores! Nice clinical finish and could have got another still in first half ;-)
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Post by welshiron on May 17, 2021 20:48:20 GMT
Think Hal may make the squad now its 26
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 21:01:48 GMT
Agree with welshiron,he's hardly prolific but you never know if he is going to give you something if you give him half an hour,and experience of course,think he scored quite a good goal at some point,can't quite recall it ,and we have not got strikers falling at out feet.
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 17, 2021 21:19:34 GMT
He will almost 100% be going now it's 26. If we're a goal up with 15 mins left and Moore looks tired he's a great option to have
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Post by underwood on May 17, 2021 21:38:25 GMT
He will almost 100% be going now it's 26. If we're a goal up with 15 mins left and Moore looks tired he's a great option to have He is one of the best in the business at performing that very role. He makes a run into the channels, holds the ball up back to goal & wins a free-kick in the attacking half, wasting another minute. It’s a priceless skill when trying to close a game out. Similarly Joniesta comes on & draws free-kicks, but he does it by dribbling past people. Both will go for that reason.
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 17, 2021 21:55:10 GMT
He will almost 100% be going now it's 26. If we're a goal up with 15 mins left and Moore looks tired he's a great option to have He is one of the best in the business at performing that very role. He makes a run into the channels, holds the ball up back to goal & wins a free-kick in the attacking half, wasting another minute. It’s a priceless skill when trying to close a game out. Similarly Joniesta comes on & draws free-kicks, but he does it by dribbling past people. Both will go for that reason. 100% agree
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Post by CrackityJones on May 23, 2021 16:50:58 GMT
Scored again
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Post by cogancoronation31 on May 24, 2021 13:17:15 GMT
HRK has now bagged recent Premiership goals against Liverpool and Leeds, so surely a little hard done by, not being selected for the training camp trip to Portugal?
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Post by jackanapes on May 24, 2021 14:14:47 GMT
HRK has now bagged recent Premiership goals against Liverpool and Leeds, so surely a little hard done by, not being selected for the training camp trip to Portugal? I would have taken him for his experience and ability to hold up the ball/relieve pressure. There are two possible reasons in my view. 1. There was more to his expulsion from the last squad than we know about - perhaps he reacted badly to it. 2. Page would rather give experience to a youngster who will participate in the next set of qualifiers. Either way I’m happy to trust his judgment.
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Post by hooky on May 24, 2021 18:20:14 GMT
Think that is the wrong decision.
He is like Tyler Roberts but more experienced, probably runs the channels more and is more deadly in front of goal. He has scored important goals for us (so has a great temprament) and always gives his all.
To put both young Cardiff youngsters ahead of him is stupid. This is not a development tournament!
Robson-Kanu would also be a better option than Mantando
Its a bit like the old Coleman loyalty first policy. Giggs would have picked Robson-Kanu because he just wants to win.
Robson-Kanu - scores 2 premier league goals against decent teams in last few games. Gunter is struggling to hold on to a place in a medicore third tier team. He offers zero going forward and must be a worse player than he was given he has fallen a division
Page takes Gunter but no space for Robson-Kanu who is a great bench option and offers a little something different.
@@@@ taking good characters. I want us to be successful !
Did Gunter, those 2 Cardiff kids, Tyler Roberts or Mantando make a big contribution to us qualifying? NO Just because Robson-Kanu was unavailable the reality is the guys picked ahead of him comtributed nothing to the success.
I know Gunter is a defender but you know why I am highlighting him. Great servant but he was never special, just a solid defender who gave his all and his best days are now well behind him
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Post by 1gwaunview on May 24, 2021 18:55:23 GMT
Don't think it's the Euro squad just a training squad for Portugal camp. The Euro squad will be selected at a later date so I've read.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on May 24, 2021 19:06:23 GMT
AGREED - HRK COULD STILL MAKE THE FINAL CUT, BUT HIS OMISSION FROM THIS CAMP MAKE THINGS LOOK OMINOUS FOR HIM.
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Post by marsvolta on May 24, 2021 19:07:13 GMT
Think that is the wrong decision. He is like Tyler Roberts but more experienced, probably runs the channels more and is more deadly in front of goal. He has scored important goals for us (so has a great temprament) and always gives his all. To put both young Cardiff youngsters ahead of him is stupid. This is not a development tournament! Robson-Kanu would also be a better option than Mantando Its a bit like the old Coleman loyalty first policy. Giggs would have picked Robson-Kanu because he just wants to win. Robson-Kanu - scores 2 premier league goals against decent teams in last few games. Gunter is struggling to hold on to a place in a medicore third tier team. He offers zero going forward and must be a worse player than he was given he has fallen a division Page takes Gunter but no space for Robson-Kanu who is a great bench option and offers a little something different. @@@@ taking good characters. I want us to be successful ! Did Gunter, those 2 Cardiff kids, Tyler Roberts or Mantando make a big contribution to us qualifying? NO Just because Robson-Kanu was unavailable the reality is the guys picked ahead of him comtributed nothing to the success. I know Gunter is a defender but you know why I am highlighting him. Great servant but he was never special, just a solid defender who gave his all and his best days are now well behind him I agree that Hal should be going to the Euros but to be clear, the Cardiff youngsters are not going to the Euros instead of him, they’re just going to the training squads for experience.
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Post by iot on May 24, 2021 20:44:18 GMT
Think that is the wrong decision. He is like Tyler Roberts but more experienced, probably runs the channels more and is more deadly in front of goal. He has scored important goals for us (so has a great temprament) and always gives his all. To put both young Cardiff youngsters ahead of him is stupid. This is not a development tournament! Robson-Kanu would also be a better option than Mantando Its a bit like the old Coleman loyalty first policy. Giggs would have picked Robson-Kanu because he just wants to win. Robson-Kanu - scores 2 premier league goals against decent teams in last few games. Gunter is struggling to hold on to a place in a medicore third tier team. He offers zero going forward and must be a worse player than he was given he has fallen a division Page takes Gunter but no space for Robson-Kanu who is a great bench option and offers a little something different. @@@@ taking good characters. I want us to be successful ! Did Gunter, those 2 Cardiff kids, Tyler Roberts or Mantando make a big contribution to us qualifying? NO Just because Robson-Kanu was unavailable the reality is the guys picked ahead of him comtributed nothing to the success. I know Gunter is a defender but you know why I am highlighting him. Great servant but he was never special, just a solid defender who gave his all and his best days are now well behind him Complete agreement with the first couple of paras, just a shame it turned into a rant against Gunter + the silly stuff on 'fuck taking good characters'. Bringing Gunter into the debate is silly because, as you acknowledge, they're not competing for the same spot. It's also worth listening to the latest ejfof (or it may have been the podcast peldroed boys) on the other point. They highlighted that we only had about 18 players play in the last tournament. This time, we're talking about 3 to 5 games with a 26 man squad, so there will be plenty more players getting hardly any gametime. Knowing that going into the tournament, we need to make sure those 'non-players' are positive around camp and contribute to the squad morale. The whole 'fuck having good characters' line is a real bugbear of mine.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on May 24, 2021 20:52:44 GMT
Can we not take Owain Fôn Williams as our 27th man, please?
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 24, 2021 21:49:09 GMT
Gunter will get in because he's our best back up RCB and can play anywhere along the back line. The current level he plays at is largely irrelevant, mostly because level isn't as important as ability or mins played. But also because he has 100 caps underneath his belt which counts for a lot
Hal I think would be included if it were purely footballing reasons. I guess the trust has gone with him, and how he has influenced younger members of the squad. Need a healthy squad presence around the main 18 players who will play. Hal has likely lost out because of silly antics off the field
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Post by dai on May 24, 2021 23:46:07 GMT
Find it bizarre to pick on Gunter. I used to as well a few years ago, but a reality check was needed. Yes he's not THAT exciting, fairly conservative and not the quickest. But if if we're talking defence here, I've seen more mistakes from Ampadu, J Lawrence, Rodon and Mepham in a few caps than I've seen in Gunters' 100. He is both solid and reliable, something those players should aspire to be.
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Post by insertname on May 25, 2021 1:12:11 GMT
Think that is the wrong decision. He is like Tyler Roberts but more experienced, probably runs the channels more and is more deadly in front of goal. He has scored important goals for us (so has a great temprament) and always gives his all. To put both young Cardiff youngsters ahead of him is stupid. This is not a development tournament! Robson-Kanu would also be a better option than Mantando Its a bit like the old Coleman loyalty first policy. Giggs would have picked Robson-Kanu because he just wants to win. Robson-Kanu - scores 2 premier league goals against decent teams in last few games. Gunter is struggling to hold on to a place in a medicore third tier team. He offers zero going forward and must be a worse player than he was given he has fallen a division Page takes Gunter but no space for Robson-Kanu who is a great bench option and offers a little something different. @@@@ taking good characters. I want us to be successful ! Did Gunter, those 2 Cardiff kids, Tyler Roberts or Mantando make a big contribution to us qualifying? NO Just because Robson-Kanu was unavailable the reality is the guys picked ahead of him comtributed nothing to the success. I know Gunter is a defender but you know why I am highlighting him. Great servant but he was never special, just a solid defender who gave his all and his best days are now well behind him Complete agreement with the first couple of paras, just a shame it turned into a rant against Gunter + the silly stuff on 'fuck taking good characters'. Bringing Gunter into the debate is silly because, as you acknowledge, they're not competing for the same spot. It's also worth listening to the latest ejfof (or it may have been the podcast peldroed boys) on the other point. They highlighted that we only had about 18 players play in the last tournament. This time, we're talking about 3 to 5 games with a 26 man squad, so there will be plenty more players getting hardly any gametime. Knowing that going into the tournament, we need to make sure those 'non-players' are positive around camp and contribute to the squad morale. The whole 'fuck having good characters' line is a real bugbear of mine. Conversely though the whole “Take OFW because he paints pictures and plays songs” does the same to me because it makes it sound like a stag do at Butlins. These guys are footballers and should be there because they are the best footballers the country can offer, not the best craic the country can offer. If I was a player I’d certainly feel a bit insulted if I knew I’d been picked just to tell some jokes round the campfire and that the management were secretly dreading that I might get on the pitch by a quirk of fate. Anyway, given the schedule and the travelling I doubt the squads are going to be in bubbles as much as they typically are so surely less need to go hunting for “characters” whose granny owned a caravan in Rhyl in the 70’s.
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Post by quetzal on May 25, 2021 3:31:25 GMT
Complete agreement with the first couple of paras, just a shame it turned into a rant against Gunter + the silly stuff on 'fuck taking good characters'. Bringing Gunter into the debate is silly because, as you acknowledge, they're not competing for the same spot. It's also worth listening to the latest ejfof (or it may have been the podcast peldroed boys) on the other point. They highlighted that we only had about 18 players play in the last tournament. This time, we're talking about 3 to 5 games with a 26 man squad, so there will be plenty more players getting hardly any gametime. Knowing that going into the tournament, we need to make sure those 'non-players' are positive around camp and contribute to the squad morale. The whole 'fuck having good characters' line is a real bugbear of mine. Conversely though the whole “Take OFW because he paints pictures and plays songs” does the same to me because it makes it sound like a stag do at Butlins. These guys are footballers and should be there because they are the best footballers the country can offer, not the best craic the country can offer. If I was a player I’d certainly feel a bit insulted if I knew I’d been picked just to tell some jokes round the campfire and that the management were secretly dreading that I might get on the pitch by a quirk of fate. Anyway, given the schedule and the travelling I doubt the squads are going to be in bubbles as much as they typically are so surely less need to go hunting for “characters” whose granny owned a caravan in Rhyl in the 70’s. I mentioned OFW over Tom King in another thread not just because of the banter and stuff. I genuinely would prefer OFW over King. OFW doesn’t get in the first three keepers and King doesn’t either. Just a bit of fun. I would take Hal though. A good sub to bring on for a plan ‘b’ scenario. The goal against Liverpool was classic Hal.
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Post by cymroircarn on May 25, 2021 5:35:07 GMT
Don't think it's the Euro squad just a training squad for Portugal camp. The Euro squad will be selected at a later date so I've read. Correct, but if he’s not making the extended training squad and not in the play offs it looks unlikely he will be going? Hope breaking the curfew was worth it Hal as it looks to have scuppered your chances.
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Post by dragonsoccer on May 25, 2021 6:59:21 GMT
as is the normal with squad selections, players would have been told well in hand if they had been selected, part of the process as always, EPL players were told in late April about Portugal camp etc
also no confirmed no injury, just not selected, reason will remain in-house I guess, i would Rob Page will get asked the question at his next media conference
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Post by marsvolta on May 25, 2021 7:04:28 GMT
Complete agreement with the first couple of paras, just a shame it turned into a rant against Gunter + the silly stuff on 'fuck taking good characters'. Bringing Gunter into the debate is silly because, as you acknowledge, they're not competing for the same spot. It's also worth listening to the latest ejfof (or it may have been the podcast peldroed boys) on the other point. They highlighted that we only had about 18 players play in the last tournament. This time, we're talking about 3 to 5 games with a 26 man squad, so there will be plenty more players getting hardly any gametime. Knowing that going into the tournament, we need to make sure those 'non-players' are positive around camp and contribute to the squad morale. The whole 'fuck having good characters' line is a real bugbear of mine. Conversely though the whole “Take OFW because he paints pictures and plays songs” does the same to me because it makes it sound like a stag do at Butlins. These guys are footballers and should be there because they are the best footballers the country can offer, not the best craic the country can offer. If I was a player I’d certainly feel a bit insulted if I knew I’d been picked just to tell some jokes round the campfire and that the management were secretly dreading that I might get on the pitch by a quirk of fate. Anyway, given the schedule and the travelling I doubt the squads are going to be in bubbles as much as they typically are so surely less need to go hunting for “characters” whose granny owned a caravan in Rhyl in the 70’s. To be fair, I don’t think anyone gets picked in their character alone. I suppose it may come into the thought process if it is a close call but the only real alternative as third choice keeper to OFW in 2016 was Maxwell. Maxwell was a decent keeper but he was hardly so good that anyone can accuse Coleman of picking OFW ahead of him on character alone. Though Coleman hasn’t helped as his joke that ‘we need OFW in the squad as we need someone to play guitar’ was taken seriously by some.
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Post by marsvolta on May 25, 2021 7:06:21 GMT
Complete agreement with the first couple of paras, just a shame it turned into a rant against Gunter + the silly stuff on 'fuck taking good characters'. Bringing Gunter into the debate is silly because, as you acknowledge, they're not competing for the same spot. It's also worth listening to the latest ejfof (or it may have been the podcast peldroed boys) on the other point. They highlighted that we only had about 18 players play in the last tournament. This time, we're talking about 3 to 5 games with a 26 man squad, so there will be plenty more players getting hardly any gametime. Knowing that going into the tournament, we need to make sure those 'non-players' are positive around camp and contribute to the squad morale. The whole 'fuck having good characters' line is a real bugbear of mine. Conversely though the whole “Take OFW because he paints pictures and plays songs” does the same to me because it makes it sound like a stag do at Butlins. These guys are footballers and should be there because they are the best footballers the country can offer, not the best craic the country can offer. If I was a player I’d certainly feel a bit insulted if I knew I’d been picked just to tell some jokes round the campfire and that the management were secretly dreading that I might get on the pitch by a quirk of fate. Anyway, given the schedule and the travelling I doubt the squads are going to be in bubbles as much as they typically are so surely less need to go hunting for “characters” whose granny owned a caravan in Rhyl in the 70’s. Absolutely no idea what you are talking about in your last paragraph.
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Post by iot on May 25, 2021 7:11:30 GMT
Complete agreement with the first couple of paras, just a shame it turned into a rant against Gunter + the silly stuff on 'fuck taking good characters'. Bringing Gunter into the debate is silly because, as you acknowledge, they're not competing for the same spot. It's also worth listening to the latest ejfof (or it may have been the podcast peldroed boys) on the other point. They highlighted that we only had about 18 players play in the last tournament. This time, we're talking about 3 to 5 games with a 26 man squad, so there will be plenty more players getting hardly any gametime. Knowing that going into the tournament, we need to make sure those 'non-players' are positive around camp and contribute to the squad morale. The whole 'fuck having good characters' line is a real bugbear of mine. Conversely though the whole “Take OFW because he paints pictures and plays songs” does the same to me because it makes it sound like a stag do at Butlins. These guys are footballers and should be there because they are the best footballers the country can offer, not the best craic the country can offer. If I was a player I’d certainly feel a bit insulted if I knew I’d been picked just to tell some jokes round the campfire and that the management were secretly dreading that I might get on the pitch by a quirk of fate. Anyway, given the schedule and the travelling I doubt the squads are going to be in bubbles as much as they typically are so surely less need to go hunting for “characters” whose granny owned a caravan in Rhyl in the 70’s. And the greatest bugbear of them all? Binary thinking...
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Post by rangers15 on May 25, 2021 7:12:53 GMT
as has been said, Hal only has himself to blame. i would have taken him personally, but if he has burnt his bridges with Page, then fair enough... i wont lose any sleep over it. on another note, the right characters at a tournament are very important... especially the ones who will see little to no game time. this is where England have struggled in the past. and now we have more depth than i can ever remember, things like this will now come into play i suspect.
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