|
|
Post by dragon64 on Sept 19, 2024 19:05:58 GMT
with Ramsey looking to be out for the next couple of rounds of games I am hoping that means Brennan playing that false 9/central attacker
let him lead the line for these 4 games
|
|
|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Sept 19, 2024 19:14:41 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 19, 2024 20:02:09 GMT
They're a fickle lot - another goal i nthe Prem against Brebtford on saturday, and they'll be singing his praises!
|
|
|
|
Post by insertname on Sept 19, 2024 20:18:38 GMT
His non celebration after his goal and response to the fans at the end was dramatic , he's almost traumatised. Shocking to see what the affect of complete useless fookers can do to someone's confidence. I’m going to go against the grain and say that it must be really hard to succeed as a top level footballer if you take criticism to heart easily. Players who play for big clubs have to shoulder the responsibility of doing so with all the expectation that brings. Fans getting frustrated and having a go on phone ins and social media is a fact of life, it shouldn’t be but you’ll never stop it so you have to meet it head on and take it it in stride. That was part of the reason Bale was world class in my opinion. At least outwardly it felt like he shrugged off all the criticism he got at Real and Tottenham. Elite mentality. |
|
|
|
Post by dai on Sept 19, 2024 20:58:18 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. English football fans have a xenophobic complex when it comes to Welsh players, especially at the top tier teams.
Johnson at Spurs.
Joe Allen while at liverpool.
Neco while at Liverpool.
Dan James while at Utd.
All have received unjust abuse, or be made the scapegoat when things go bad.
Ramsey was also often singled out at Arsenal, and Spurs fans have never appreciated Ben Davies.
|
|
|
|
Post by iot on Sept 19, 2024 22:02:06 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. English football fans have a xenophobic complex when it comes to Welsh players, especially at the top tier teams. Johnson at Spurs. Joe Allen while at liverpool. Neco while at Liverpool. Dan James while at Utd. All have received unjust abuse, or be made the scapegoat when things go bad. Ramsey was also often singled out at Arsenal, and Spurs fans have never appreciated Ben Davies. You say that because your focus is understandably on Welsh players and you don't tune into the negative chatter around players from other nationalities in the same way. Eric Dier regularly received absolute dog's abuse at Spurs. Timo Werner and Fraser Forster were on the receiving end yesterday. Gareth Bale meanwhile was treated like God at Spurs. The truth is, those four players you've listed just weren't / aren't yet quite at the level needed for those clubs, and football fans are an unforgiving bunch! |
|
|
|
Post by hooky on Sept 19, 2024 22:31:22 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. English football fans have a xenophobic complex when it comes to Welsh players, especially at the top tier teams. Johnson at Spurs. Joe Allen while at liverpool. Neco while at Liverpool. Dan James while at Utd. All have received unjust abuse, or be made the scapegoat when things go bad. Ramsey was also often singled out at Arsenal, and Spurs fans have never appreciated Ben Davies. I was astounded with the message boards of Spurs and Arsenal in respect to Bale and Ramsey - I know it is not a fair representation of the general fans base but while anyone could see the immense talent of Bale and Ramsey from 18 to 21 - some of the criticisms and comments / abuse towards them were crazy and on several occasions abusive. They were kids but the unkindness towards Bale and Ramsey and the lack of awareness of how special they were and what incredible moments they could deliver was astounding. Bale was commonly cited as the worst or second worst player in Spur's squad with little upside despite contributing certain quality moments in attack even at 18 and delivering top class moments for Wales (remember Russia away - Toshack used him as a wing forward first not the clueless Rednapp!) What made me feel particularly sick was the abuse from Arsenal fans when Ramsey came back from a career threatening injury where his foot was literally left hanging off his ankle the wrong way round when he was just 18. He was easing back into thing at around 19 / 20 or so during his recovery and was understandably struggling to find form and confidence. As well as useless / finished comments, one fan wished to the effect that his legs would be taken out in a car crash. There are many scum of the earth on this planet - I cannot even comprehend how you can show such an obscene lack of empathy for someone who went through would he went through as a teenager. The bravery of Ramsey to even get back on a football pitch, let alone deliver the quality he did in a productive career for club and country is in stark contrast to these cowardly keyboard warriors |
|
|
|
Post by rushy on Sept 20, 2024 8:48:35 GMT
His non celebration after his goal and response to the fans at the end was dramatic , he's almost traumatised. Shocking to see what the affect of complete useless fookers can do to someone's confidence. I’m going to go against the grain and say that it must be really hard to succeed as a top level footballer if you take criticism to heart easily. Players who play for big clubs have to shoulder the responsibility of doing so with all the expectation that brings. Fans getting frustrated and having a go on phone ins and social media is a fact of life, it shouldn’t be but you’ll never stop it so you have to meet it head on and take it it in stride. That was part of the reason Bale was world class in my opinion. At least outwardly it felt like he shrugged off all the criticism he got at Real and Tottenham. Elite mentality. That's fair enough, but I've never seen anyone so affected by abuse as deeply as Brennan has , he was not mentally prepared for what he has endured and it's affected him drastically, The lad gave a post match interview where he spoke intelligently and honestly which I think deserves a lot of credit considering his mixed emotional state, I hope he can move on from this situation and get back his self confidence to show his true ability which potentially is still there. |
|
|
|
Post by dai on Sept 20, 2024 9:12:12 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. English football fans have a xenophobic complex when it comes to Welsh players, especially at the top tier teams. Johnson at Spurs. Joe Allen while at liverpool. Neco while at Liverpool. Dan James while at Utd. All have received unjust abuse, or be made the scapegoat when things go bad. Ramsey was also often singled out at Arsenal, and Spurs fans have never appreciated Ben Davies. You say that because your focus is understandably on Welsh players and you don't tune into the negative chatter around players from other nationalities in the same way. Eric Dier regularly received absolute dog's abuse at Spurs. Timo Werner and Fraser Forster were on the receiving end yesterday. Gareth Bale meanwhile was treated like God at Spurs. The truth is, those four players you've listed just weren't / aren't yet quite at the level needed for those clubs, and football fans are an unforgiving bunch! How many English or other foreign players have turned off their socials in light of constant abuse? If you went on the socials or twitter you'd often see those above names trending for the wrong reasons. Yes, football fans are an unforgiving bunch, however there's plenty of evidence to back up my theory. |
|
|
|
Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 20, 2024 10:21:49 GMT
Pretty much every player gets abuse at some point. You would have to demonstrate examples of players who don't get abuse to prove your point. There's nothing anti-Welsh in the childish abuse that's the likes Johnson is getting.
|
|
|
|
Post by jimexotic on Sept 20, 2024 11:37:57 GMT
Play him through the middle, he's wasted out wide.If you play him through the middle it doesn't mean that he can't occasionally pull out wide but I think he's restricted too much out there. The season Forest went up he was clinical as hell with a lot of his finishing against defences as good as and maybe better than around 75% of the teams we'll face.
|
|
|
|
Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 20, 2024 11:47:42 GMT
Needs a song and we need to show him some love, make him feel like we're behind him and support him, help him to enjoy playing for us
Even "Brennan Johnson babyyyyy" in Rambo's absence would do it
|
|
|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Sept 20, 2024 11:56:18 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. English football fans have a xenophobic complex when it comes to Welsh players, especially at the top tier teams. Johnson at Spurs. Joe Allen while at liverpool. Neco while at Liverpool. Dan James while at Utd. All have received unjust abuse, or be made the scapegoat when things go bad. Ramsey was also often singled out at Arsenal, and Spurs fans have never appreciated Ben Davies. You say that because your focus is understandably on Welsh players and you don't tune into the negative chatter around players from other nationalities in the same way. Eric Dier regularly received absolute dog's abuse at Spurs. Timo Werner and Fraser Forster were on the receiving end yesterday. Gareth Bale meanwhile was treated like God at Spurs. The truth is, those four players you've listed just weren't / aren't yet quite at the level needed for those clubs, and football fans are an unforgiving bunch! Well, eventually. Bale was accused of being a curse and their worst every player until he became the best player in the league! |
|
|
|
Post by jimexotic on Sept 20, 2024 12:07:00 GMT
I think the difference with Bale is that by the age of 21 everything was clicking and he was scoring hat-tricks against European Champions and ripping World Class players to shreds. Brennan is 24 in May, he's never going to be Bale and probably never going to get near the heights that Bale reached but he can still be a very useful and even crucial player for us. The way I see it, if it's ever going to happen for him playing for Wales it's going to be under Bellamy.
|
|
|
|
Post by melynwy on Sept 20, 2024 13:17:28 GMT
You say that because your focus is understandably on Welsh players and you don't tune into the negative chatter around players from other nationalities in the same way. Eric Dier regularly received absolute dog's abuse at Spurs. Timo Werner and Fraser Forster were on the receiving end yesterday. Gareth Bale meanwhile was treated like God at Spurs. The truth is, those four players you've listed just weren't / aren't yet quite at the level needed for those clubs, and football fans are an unforgiving bunch! How many English or other foreign players have turned off their socials in light of constant abuse? If you went on the socials or twitter you'd often see those above names trending for the wrong reasons. Yes, football fans are an unforgiving bunch, however there's plenty of evidence to back up my theory. Well, how many Welsh players have had to do it? Just the one, so there’s no pattern. And you don’t search for the other players on the socials do you, just the Welsh ones, so that’s all you’re going to see. There’s zero evidence to back up your theory. You claim this about club staff as well as fans, and there’s nothing to back you up- it’s just that we’re more aware to the plight of the Welsh players seeing as we’re Wales fans. |
|
|
|
Post by dai on Sept 20, 2024 13:45:37 GMT
How many English or other foreign players have turned off their socials in light of constant abuse? If you went on the socials or twitter you'd often see those above names trending for the wrong reasons. Yes, football fans are an unforgiving bunch, however there's plenty of evidence to back up my theory. Well, how many Welsh players have had to do it? Just the one, so there’s no pattern. And you don’t search for the other players on the socials do you, just the Welsh ones, so that’s all you’re going to see. There’s zero evidence to back up your theory. You claim this about club staff as well as fans, and there’s nothing to back you up- it’s just that we’re more aware to the plight of the Welsh players seeing as we’re Wales fans. You don't need to search on socials, like I've said, the said names would often be trending during games on Twitter / X! Neco Williams blacked out his socials while at Liverpool. |
|
|
|
Post by garynysmon on Sept 20, 2024 14:07:24 GMT
You say that because your focus is understandably on Welsh players and you don't tune into the negative chatter around players from other nationalities in the same way. Eric Dier regularly received absolute dog's abuse at Spurs. Timo Werner and Fraser Forster were on the receiving end yesterday. Gareth Bale meanwhile was treated like God at Spurs. The truth is, those four players you've listed just weren't / aren't yet quite at the level needed for those clubs, and football fans are an unforgiving bunch! Well, eventually. Bale was accused of being a curse and their worst every player until he became the best player in the league! To be fair he was crap to start with! The last few claims on here do smack of just concentrating on Welsh players tbh. If any player was signed for £60m + and put in some of the performances Brennan Johnson has recently then they'd be receiving a degree of stick. Its part and parcel of signing for high profile clubs. Heck, have you seen the dog's abuse TNS get from gamblers in Asia when they dare fail to win? That's the nature of the beast of social media in 2024 combined with the type of fandom 'elite' football has cultivated sadly. Its not like he's being booed from all four corners of the stadium. Modern football fans have been conditioned to not give a crap where a player comes from. I doubt very much that half your armchair critics are even aware he plays for Wales. |
|
|
|
Post by surge on Sept 20, 2024 17:52:12 GMT
There may be something underlying (e.g. Bale was criticised once at Madrid for not staying out past curfew drinking for club mates birthday party, Welsh footballers has a whole seem to be a little bit more introverted) but I'm not 100% convinced by the argument.
I think there are bad faith media pundits and bad faith online "fans" who are loud and make things toxic for modern players.
All we can do is do our bit to create an environment where our players can grow and perform their best.
|
|
|
|
Post by jimmytaff on Sept 20, 2024 21:56:21 GMT
There may be something underlying (e.g. Bale was criticised once at Madrid for not staying out past curfew drinking for club mates birthday party, Welsh footballers has a whole seem to be a little bit more introverted) but I'm not 100% convinced by the argument. I think there are bad faith media pundits and bad faith online "fans" who are loud and make things toxic for modern players. All we can do is do our bit to create an environment where our players can grow and perform their best. Your middle paragraph. Too many gobshites with nowt positive to say. Empty vessels make the most noise |
|
|
|
Post by jimmytaff on Sept 20, 2024 23:18:09 GMT
Well, eventually. Bale was accused of being a curse and their worst every player until he became the best player in the league! To be fair he was crap to start with! The last few claims on here do smack of just concentrating on Welsh players tbh. If any player was signed for £60m + and put in some of the performances Brennan Johnson has recently then they'd be receiving a degree of stick. Its part and parcel of signing for high profile clubs. Heck, have you seen the dog's abuse TNS get from gamblers in Asia when they dare fail to win? That's the nature of the beast of social media in 2024 combined with the type of fandom 'elite' football has cultivated sadly. Its not like he's being booed from all four corners of the stadium. Modern football fans have been conditioned to not give a crap where a player comes from. I doubt very much that half your armchair critics are even aware he plays for Wales. Think you're spot on here Gary. Plenty of the gobshites laying into him won't even know he plays for Wales. |
|
|
|
Post by melynwy on Sept 21, 2024 9:59:34 GMT
To be fair he was crap to start with! The last few claims on here do smack of just concentrating on Welsh players tbh. If any player was signed for £60m + and put in some of the performances Brennan Johnson has recently then they'd be receiving a degree of stick. Its part and parcel of signing for high profile clubs. Heck, have you seen the dog's abuse TNS get from gamblers in Asia when they dare fail to win? That's the nature of the beast of social media in 2024 combined with the type of fandom 'elite' football has cultivated sadly. Its not like he's being booed from all four corners of the stadium. Modern football fans have been conditioned to not give a crap where a player comes from. I doubt very much that half your armchair critics are even aware he plays for Wales. Think you're spot on here Gary. Plenty of the gobshites laying into him won't even know he plays for Wales. That’s a good point too. |
|
|
|
Post by mortillsy on Sept 21, 2024 14:30:09 GMT
Goal! …. Good lad!
|
|
|
|
Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 21, 2024 14:52:18 GMT
Two goals for Brennan within a few days of each other. What more dcoes Brennan need to do to prove his critics wrong?
|
|
|
|
Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 21, 2024 14:53:25 GMT
Will be interesting to see if the Spuda can hold onto their lead in the second half against Brentford. Can BJ score again?
|
|
|
|
Post by garynysmon on Sept 21, 2024 15:21:28 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 21, 2024 15:55:56 GMT
Nice one - so most real Tottenham fans are on his side. A 3-1 win against the Bees in the end, with Maddison chipping in with a late goal.
|
|
|
|
Post by insertname on Sept 21, 2024 16:01:33 GMT
Two goals for Brennan within a few days of each other. What more dcoes Brennan need to do to prove his critics wrong? Erm, do it consistently, for a whole season, maybe? 😂 |
|
|
|
Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 21, 2024 16:12:00 GMT
A goal on Wednesday just gone, and another one today (Saturday) ain't a bad start to answer back the doubters...
|
|
|
|
Post by athenempadu on Sept 21, 2024 17:27:16 GMT
Two goals for Brennan within a few days of each other. What more dcoes Brennan need to do to prove his critics wrong? Erm, do it consistently, for a whole season, maybe? 😂 He's a square peg in a round hole when hugging the right touchline. |
|
|
|
Post by insertname on Sept 21, 2024 18:15:53 GMT
Erm, do it consistently, for a whole season, maybe? 😂 He's a square peg in a round hole when hugging the right touchline. Yeah he probably does need to be used like he was at Forest, not so much an out and out striker or an out and out winger but a mix, like Cole Palmer zones of the pitch but with a bit of pace to get in behind a defence centrally like he did against Coventry. The times I’ve seen him for Spurs he mostly seems to have a mandate just to run in straight lines up and down the pitch, putting crosses into the box. He’s had criticism before for the quality of his final ball playing for Wales so it’s not helping him being given such a narrow remit. |
|
