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Post by welshrover on Apr 22, 2023 13:01:22 GMT
Bit out of order, 60sred offers a different perspective to a lot of us in his posts. I think rather than take cheap shots it is good to encourage those from outside Wales to join in the conversation. If every post on here was back slapping Welsh left wing ideology it would soon become incredibly boring and gratuitous. Amazed you think there’s some sort of ‘Welsh left wing ideology’ dominating this forum. Just reading this page alone shatters that delusion. Funny how sensitive folk get when British right wing ideology is challenged isn’t it? I suggest you read more than this page! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 28, 2023 23:14:17 GMT
I agree with everything you have said i just didt word it as well. Yes the Common Market was trade only which was great idea in principle because he was a collective bargaining power. What you have said about the gas is right and should have never have been allowed but that was the sort of thing i was trying to get at when on about the switch from what was happening under Common Market. i voted for Brexit and if the vote was to happen today would i vote the same way to right i would. The turkey who voted for christmas twice! Great story! |
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Post by janglingjack on Apr 29, 2023 6:22:39 GMT
Isn't the internet great, all those people pretending to be so intelligent but they still manage to reveal their utter stupidity, would still vote the same today, Jesus Christ how are these people allowed near a computer let alone a voting booth .
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Post by aberbeeg on May 1, 2023 13:07:38 GMT
Isn't the internet great, all those people pretending to be so intelligent but they still manage to reveal their utter stupidity, would still vote the same today, Jesus Christ how are these people allowed near a computer let alone a voting booth . It’s weird when someone has a different view to yours that you class them as “stupid” . |
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Post by foxmulder on May 1, 2023 15:48:32 GMT
Come on guys, even as a ardent remainer myself, if we don't have a debate with respect then that's what causes division.
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Post by aberbeeg on May 1, 2023 17:00:05 GMT
Isn't the internet great, all those people pretending to be so intelligent but they still manage to reveal their utter stupidity, would still vote the same today, Jesus Christ how are these people allowed near a computer let alone a voting booth . Don’t forget Wales had the Biggest majority of leave votes in the UK. So are you saying the majority of Welsh voters are “stupid” ? |
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Post by aberbeeg on May 1, 2023 17:03:58 GMT
So what does everyone think of the Brecon Beacons news? I had tears in my eyes at the end of the video. It’s significant. Hopefully soon Wales will be knows as Cymru and only Cymru. I doubt Cardiff City and Swansea City being English teams with Welsh skins would ever change but hopefully this inspires more saving of the language. Can you name two Welsh teams that have done more for Welsh football? “English teams in Welsh skins” ffs 🤦 so are Newport , Wrexham and Merthyr also the same ?( Our 5 biggest clubs ) or would it be bette4 if all clubs were playing in front of a few hundred fans in a tin pot league ? |
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Post by derynglas on May 1, 2023 18:39:52 GMT
Isn't the internet great, all those people pretending to be so intelligent but they still manage to reveal their utter stupidity, would still vote the same today, Jesus Christ how are these people allowed near a computer let alone a voting booth . Don’t forget Wales had the Biggest majority of leave votes in the UK. So are you saying the majority of Welsh voters are “stupid” ? Not true,Wales was 52.5% for leave,England 53.4%. But very similar obvs.As Michael Sheen said,in terms of the Brexit vote,for Wales,see England. Which is a shame ,IMO. |
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Post by bale-droed on May 2, 2023 9:21:05 GMT
So what does everyone think of the Brecon Beacons news? I had tears in my eyes at the end of the video. It’s significant. Hopefully soon Wales will be knows as Cymru and only Cymru. I doubt Cardiff City and Swansea City being English teams with Welsh skins would ever change but hopefully this inspires more saving of the language. Can you name two Welsh teams that have done more for Welsh football? “English teams in Welsh skins” ffs 🤦 so are Newport , Wrexham and Merthyr also the same ?( Our 5 biggest clubs ) or would it be bette4 if all clubs were playing in front of a few hundred fans in a tin pot league ? Newport and Wrexham both regularly have more Welsh eligible players than Cardiff who regularly have 0 in an entire match day squad. 10 years from now Newport and Wrexham will have as many Wales will have as many players brought through by Wrexham and Newport as Cardiff and Swansea. Look at Dinamo Zagreb and other big capital city clubs from smaller European nations and ask if Cardiff really does enough? I think it's poor as fuck. It's embarrassing most of our players come through English teams. Cardiff and Swansea should both do better. Davies,Cabango, Colwill, Cullen,Rodon, Ramsey off the top of my head in the last squad. Not good enough. And yes I'd rather see them in an all Welsh tin pot league. Cymru teams for Cymru please |
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Post by aberbeeg on May 2, 2023 11:33:59 GMT
Can you name two Welsh teams that have done more for Welsh football? “English teams in Welsh skins” ffs 🤦 so are Newport , Wrexham and Merthyr also the same ?( Our 5 biggest clubs ) or would it be bette4 if all clubs were playing in front of a few hundred fans in a tin pot league ? Newport and Wrexham both regularly have more Welsh eligible players than Cardiff who regularly have 0 in an entire match day squad. 10 years from now Newport and Wrexham will have as many Wales will have as many players brought through by Wrexham and Newport as Cardiff and Swansea. Look at Dinamo Zagreb and other big capital city clubs from smaller European nations and ask if Cardiff really does enough? I think it's poor as fuck. It's embarrassing most of our players come through English teams. Cardiff and Swansea should both do better. Davies,Cabango, Colwill, Cullen,Rodon, Ramsey off the top of my head in the last squad. Not good enough. And yes I'd rather see them in an all Welsh tin pot league. Cymru teams for Cymru please Can I ask who you support? Secondly is it simply the two clubs fault ? Or is there also maybe a lack of talent who are just not good enough for that standard of football? |
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Post by bale-droed on May 2, 2023 14:54:20 GMT
Newport and Wrexham both regularly have more Welsh eligible players than Cardiff who regularly have 0 in an entire match day squad. 10 years from now Newport and Wrexham will have as many Wales will have as many players brought through by Wrexham and Newport as Cardiff and Swansea. Look at Dinamo Zagreb and other big capital city clubs from smaller European nations and ask if Cardiff really does enough? I think it's poor as fuck. It's embarrassing most of our players come through English teams. Cardiff and Swansea should both do better. Davies,Cabango, Colwill, Cullen,Rodon, Ramsey off the top of my head in the last squad. Not good enough. And yes I'd rather see them in an all Welsh tin pot league. Cymru teams for Cymru please Can I ask who you support? Secondly is it simply the two clubs fault ? Or is there also maybe a lack of talent who are just not good enough for that standard of football? I classify myself as a disgruntled Cardiff City fan. But I also regularly watch Newport County and the closest team to me in the Welsh structure. I became disgusted with Cardiff during the last season before the first premier league promotion. Was a season ticket holder back then but didn't renew for the premier league. Wasn't my club anymore. I still go to games but I'm waiting for change. Look at Bilbao/Barcelona/ Union Berlin that's what Cardiff should be. Maybe not in stature but in terms of representing Wales. What's Welsh about them? Wrexham do announcements in Welsh and English our capital city club does not. Yes it's the clubs. I think Swansea do just as much as they should but they don't excel. Cardiff should be producing way more. I never hear of Cardiff Scouts or dev teams playing clubs at age grade to find new talent |
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Post by aberbeeg on May 2, 2023 19:53:12 GMT
You lost me when you say the 5 clubs should be in the Welsh prem. Do you think Ryan Reynolds would have bought Wxhm if they were playing Flint town or TNS?
CCFC had almost 27k last Sunday morning for their last home game which had nothing riding on it. Would they get that playing Aberystwyth?
There’s a bit more to those 5 clubs than just Welsh talent.
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Post by bale-droed on May 3, 2023 2:40:22 GMT
You lost me when you say the 5 clubs should be in the Welsh prem. Do you think Ryan Reynolds would have bought Wxhm if they were playing Flint town or TNS? CCFC had almost 27k last Sunday morning for their last home game which had nothing riding on it. Would they get that playing Aberystwyth? There’s a bit more to those 5 clubs than just Welsh talent. No of course I don't think Ryan would've bought Wrexham if he couldn't make it to the English premiership. Does that change the fact I want all Welsh teams playing in a Welsh league ? No. What do you not understand? Surely you agree Cardiff City should be a representative of Wales and they don't do enough? Even Sam Hamman had a vision of making Cardiff like Barcelona. Not in stature but in terms of what the club meant. |
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Post by eppingblue1 on May 3, 2023 7:55:09 GMT
You lost me when you say the 5 clubs should be in the Welsh prem. Do you think Ryan Reynolds would have bought Wxhm if they were playing Flint town or TNS? CCFC had almost 27k last Sunday morning for their last home game which had nothing riding on it. Would they get that playing Aberystwyth? There’s a bit more to those 5 clubs than just Welsh talent. No of course I don't think Ryan would've bought Wrexham if he couldn't make it to the English premiership. Does that change the fact I want all Welsh teams playing in a Welsh league ? No. What do you not understand? Surely you agree Cardiff City should be a representative of Wales and they don't do enough? Even Sam Hamman had a vision of making Cardiff like Barcelona. Not in stature but in terms of what the club meant. Sam Hamman, man of the people, man of the true fan isn't the best example to support you argument. Sure he got us out of the perpetual doldrums and got us moving forward but even if he wasn't the builder he was the architect of ripping a club from its roots and moving it completely. He had the vision of making Wimbledon like Dublin. What would you reckon the support amongst fans of these clubs to transfer to the Welsh system. Probably less than 0.1% I'd reckon. You may end up with more Welsh representation in those club teams but never get any club representation in the national squad. |
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Post by aberbeeg on May 3, 2023 12:07:03 GMT
You lost me when you say the 5 clubs should be in the Welsh prem. Do you think Ryan Reynolds would have bought Wxhm if they were playing Flint town or TNS? CCFC had almost 27k last Sunday morning for their last home game which had nothing riding on it. Would they get that playing Aberystwyth? There’s a bit more to those 5 clubs than just Welsh talent. No of course I don't think Ryan would've bought Wrexham if he couldn't make it to the English premiership. Does that change the fact I want all Welsh teams playing in a Welsh league ? No. What do you not understand? Surely you agree Cardiff City should be a representative of Wales and they don't do enough? Even Sam Hamman had a vision of making Cardiff like Barcelona. Not in stature but in terms of what the club meant. What I don’t understand is your narrow minded narrative that our 5 biggest clubs should basically disband and then join a “tin pot league” ( compared to the EFL). You see I would argue that Wrexham have done more to put Wales on the map in the past 18 months than any premier league side have done in 18 years. |
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Post by garynysmon on May 3, 2023 13:50:05 GMT
What I don’t understand is your narrow minded narrative that our 5 biggest clubs should basically disband and then join a “tin pot league” ( compared to the EFL). Ever given a second's thought s to why a country of 3m people's top flight is a "tin pot league" compared to other similar sized countries? Maybe, and this is a hunch, is that its exactly because 4 of its biggest clubs play in another country's league? The idea that a proper Welsh Premier League would only ever be 4-500 crowds and part time football is for those who firmly have their blinkers on. Its only like that because its the most hamstrung league in Europe. That puts us with the Liechtenstein's and Monaco's of the world. Is that where we are? |
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Post by rushy on May 3, 2023 18:01:24 GMT
What about the players ?
John Charles, Ian Rush, Bale, Ramsey are examples of players who moved from Wales and are famous in the game even now, they had to move from Wales to reach their potential, and fortune of course, they would be restricted to playing for peanuts in a poor standard if they stayed, that would be almost criminal and never going to work.
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Post by aberbeeg on May 3, 2023 18:19:07 GMT
What I don’t understand is your narrow minded narrative that our 5 biggest clubs should basically disband and then join a “tin pot league” ( compared to the EFL). Ever given a second's thought s to why a country of 3m people's top flight is a "tin pot league" compared to other similar sized countries? Maybe, and this is a hunch, is that its exactly because 4 of its biggest clubs play in another country's league? The idea that a proper Welsh Premier League would only ever be 4-500 crowds and part time football is for those who firmly have their blinkers on. Its only like that because its the most hamstrung league in Europe. That puts us with the Liechtenstein's and Monaco's of the world. Is that where we are? So you think those 4/5 clubs would survive in their current guise? Of course not. How many away fans would travel from TNS to the Liberty or CCFC ? 100? 200? ( Huddersfield brought nearly 2000 last Sunday) …..could any ground in the league handle the away followers of SCFC and CCFC course not. The league was never thought out properly and if the answer is to kill our 5 biggest clubs then it’s cloud cuckoo land. |
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Post by eppingblue1 on May 3, 2023 18:50:21 GMT
Ever given a second's thought s to why a country of 3m people's top flight is a "tin pot league" compared to other similar sized countries? Maybe, and this is a hunch, is that its exactly because 4 of its biggest clubs play in another country's league? The idea that a proper Welsh Premier League would only ever be 4-500 crowds and part time football is for those who firmly have their blinkers on. Its only like that because its the most hamstrung league in Europe. That puts us with the Liechtenstein's and Monaco's of the world. Is that where we are? So you think those 4/5 clubs would survive in their current guise? Of course not. How many away fans would travel from TNS to the Liberty or CCFC ? 100? 200? ( Huddersfield brought nearly 2000 last Sunday) …..could any ground in the league handle the away followers of SCFC and CCFC course not. The league was never thought out properly and if the answer is to kill our 5 biggest clubs then it’s cloud cuckoo land. I see it as a huge plus to be honest. We are a small nation but our bigger clubs have potential access to the best league in the world. |
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Post by garynysmon on May 3, 2023 18:57:56 GMT
It will never amaze me how some totally refuse to even consider that the Welsh Premier and its clubs, given a vastly increased media profile, TV rights etc associated with being a proper national league, wouldn't improve one iota from its present state.
Would the 12 clubs grow to the size of Cardiff and Swansea? No. In old money the Cymru Premier would be akin to the SPL in many ways. The south Wales clubs would be your old firm clubs in terms of crowds, and Newport and Wrexham would be your Edinburgh clubs in terms of size and wealth (pre Ryan and Rob).
But you know what, amazingly the sky hasn't fallen in in Scotland and Rangers and Celtic's away support and names bring in decent TV rights deals that sustain a fully professional top flight and an almost wholly professional second tier.
How many professional footballers does Scotland have compared to us?
Scotland isn't a much bigger country than Wales. Meanwhile the League of Ireland is a wholly professional league now, with the big clubs in Dublin serving a similar purpose there.
The common denominator being their biggest clubs don't play in another country's league, diluting their own pyramid and diverting fans and media attention away from where it should be.
Could a proper Welsh Premier League offer similar prize money to the Championship? No (although Europe potentially could far exceed that).
Is it in Cardiff and Swansea's own personal interest to stay where they are? Probably.
Is it to the benefit of every single club in Wales, and therefore Welsh football as a whole if it was a real football pyramid like the rest of the world? Well unless your entire world view is that the wellbeing of Cardiff City and Swansea City is paramount above Wales' footballing interests in general then I can't see how anyone could argue otherwise.
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Post by aberbeeg on May 4, 2023 14:55:12 GMT
It will never amaze me how some totally refuse to even consider that the Welsh Premier and its clubs, given a vastly increased media profile, TV rights etc associated with being a proper national league, wouldn't improve one iota from its present state. Would the 12 clubs grow to the size of Cardiff and Swansea? No. In old money the Cymru Premier would be akin to the SPL in many ways. The south Wales clubs would be your old firm clubs in terms of crowds, and Newport and Wrexham would be your Edinburgh clubs in terms of size and wealth (pre Ryan and Rob). But you know what, amazingly the sky hasn't fallen in in Scotland and Rangers and Celtic's away support and names bring in decent TV rights deals that sustain a fully professional top flight and an almost wholly professional second tier. How many professional footballers does Scotland have compared to us? Scotland isn't a much bigger country than Wales. Meanwhile the League of Ireland is a wholly professional league now, with the big clubs in Dublin serving a similar purpose there. The common denominator being their biggest clubs don't play in another country's league, diluting their own pyramid and diverting fans and media attention away from where it should be. Could a proper Welsh Premier League offer similar prize money to the Championship? No (although Europe potentially could far exceed that). Is it in Cardiff and Swansea's own personal interest to stay where they are? Probably. Is it to the benefit of every single club in Wales, and therefore Welsh football as a whole if it was a real football pyramid like the rest of the world? Well unless your entire world view is that the wellbeing of Cardiff City and Swansea City is paramount above Wales' footballing interests in general then I can't see how anyone could argue otherwise. Scotland is almost double our population and Celtic and Rangers have been trying their hardest to get out of the SPL for years and years. can anyone tell me they have any interest in the SPL ? Below Rangers and Celtic the league is at best 3rd/ 4th division standard of EPL with clubs like Dundee getting crowds of about 4/5 thousand. Also the whole Celtic /Rangers thing is much more than football it’s religion which kinda distorts the facts and figures for any tv deal/ sponsorships etc. |
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Post by fiveattheback on May 4, 2023 18:00:15 GMT
Can you name two Welsh teams that have done more for Welsh football? “English teams in Welsh skins” ffs 🤦 so are Newport , Wrexham and Merthyr also the same ?( Our 5 biggest clubs ) or would it be bette4 if all clubs were playing in front of a few hundred fans in a tin pot league ? Newport and Wrexham both regularly have more Welsh eligible players than Cardiff who regularly have 0 in an entire match day squad. 10 years from now Newport and Wrexham will have as many Wales will have as many players brought through by Wrexham and Newport as Cardiff and Swansea. Look at Dinamo Zagreb and other big capital city clubs from smaller European nations and ask if Cardiff really does enough? I think it's poor as fuck. It's embarrassing most of our players come through English teams. Cardiff and Swansea should both do better. Davies,Cabango, Colwill, Cullen,Rodon, Ramsey off the top of my head in the last squad. Not good enough. And yes I'd rather see them in an all Welsh tin pot league. Cymru teams for Cymru please What's that based on? Are there even any Newport or Wrexham players in the Welsh youth squads? When's the last time either of those produced a full Welsh international? Danny Ward? |
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Post by bale-droed on May 4, 2023 20:03:05 GMT
Newport and Wrexham both regularly have more Welsh eligible players than Cardiff who regularly have 0 in an entire match day squad. 10 years from now Newport and Wrexham will have as many Wales will have as many players brought through by Wrexham and Newport as Cardiff and Swansea. Look at Dinamo Zagreb and other big capital city clubs from smaller European nations and ask if Cardiff really does enough? I think it's poor as fuck. It's embarrassing most of our players come through English teams. Cardiff and Swansea should both do better. Davies,Cabango, Colwill, Cullen,Rodon, Ramsey off the top of my head in the last squad. Not good enough. And yes I'd rather see them in an all Welsh tin pot league. Cymru teams for Cymru please What's that based on? Are there even any Newport or Wrexham players in the Welsh youth squads? When's the last time either of those produced a full Welsh international? Danny Ward? In 10 years time let's return to this thread. Wrexham will produce more Welsh internationals than Cardiff. Also for clarity the Wrexham and Newport comment was supposed to mean currently they have more welshmen than Cardiff not internationals |
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Post by fiveattheback on May 4, 2023 22:31:39 GMT
What's that based on? Are there even any Newport or Wrexham players in the Welsh youth squads? When's the last time either of those produced a full Welsh international? Danny Ward? In 10 years time let's return to this thread. Wrexham will produce more Welsh internationals than Cardiff. Also for clarity the Wrexham and Newport comment was supposed to mean currently they have more welshmen than Cardiff not internationals If they manage it then fair play, but what are you basing it on? Cardiff (and Swansea) provide the Welsh youth teams with plenty of players. Even in a period of a poor academy Cardiff they have produced Welsh internationsls (6 current by my count), a huge chunk of the successful Welsh u17s side and a general smattering across age groups Do Wrexham have more Welsh players? Mullin I'm fairly sure is the only regular (English when signed so not exactly an example of Wrexham buying Welsh) and then Jordan Davies. Cleworth maybe, was his eligibility ever cleared up? Pretty comparable to Cardiff I agree that Cardiff should be doing more and giving youngsters more of a chance, but a lot of the expectations placed on them are unrealistic. Cardiff & Swansea are asked to pump out internationals at an incredible rate. 11 of the World Cup squad were in either Cardiff or Swansea's academy and a further 3 had played for one of the two at some point, that's a massive contribution by 2 second tier sides, yet for some it's still not enough. Can you imagine Preston or Blackpool being asked to deliver half an international squad? On expectations generally, fair play if Wrexham manage what you claim, but it would take a pretty major investment and a fair bit of luck. I think a lot of people are getting carried away with Wrexham at the moment, we shouldn't expect them to suddenly start pumping out internationals just because they're in the EFL. Youth development takes a long time, we likely wouldn't start seeing the benefits of any investment in terms of internationals for at least 7 or 8 years |
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Post by aberbeeg on May 5, 2023 5:04:08 GMT
Just because Wrexham splashed the cash and finally got into the EFL,what’s suddenly going to make them start producing Welsh players ? How many Welsh internationals have they produced over the past 20 years?
as for Newport you could be waiting another 30 years and Newport will never be higher than league 1 or regularly be producing Welsh internationals ( based on their previous 50 years).
Both Cardiff and Swansea carry and shoulder the burden of being Wales two biggest clubs and do it much better than people give them credit for. Let’s see how Wrexham do a similar ( but much smaller version) over these next few years.
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Post by jimexotic on May 5, 2023 20:10:17 GMT
Slightly different topic but does anyone in here have any Wales themed tattoos? I got another the other day, a traditional style 50's boxer drawn to look like Newbridge's finest, Joe Calzaghe, my favourite boxer of all time. I've toyed with the idea of a Gareth Bale one for ages but getting football related tattoos to look good can be a hard job although I do have a Spirit of 58 one on my ankle. How about anyone else on here?
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Post by fiveattheback on May 5, 2023 20:30:42 GMT
Slightly different topic but does anyone in here have any Wales themed tattoos? I got another the other day, a traditional style 50's boxer drawn to look like Newbridge's finest, Joe Calzaghe, my favourite boxer of all time. I've toyed with the idea of a Gareth Bale one for ages but getting football related tattoos to look good can be a hard job although I do have a Spirit of 58 one on my ankle. How about anyone else on here? A friend of mine has HRK on his thigh, which takes some explaining to any partners! |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jun 8, 2023 13:37:33 GMT
Thought after West Ham's win against Fiorentina last night....
I think it's been covered on here before, but once again.. what a pity Jarrod Bowen couldn't have played for us: Born in Leominster, just a few miles from the Welsh border - and his dad, Sam, played for Merthyr and Newport County!
We could do with a forward of his ilk...(and someone with the slide rule passing ability of Lucas Paqueta!)
Anyway, water under the bridge - and Jarrod now has 4 England caps to his name.
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Post by janglingjack on Jun 19, 2023 12:51:52 GMT
Darts World Champions again,which is nice  |
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Post by bluebird68 on Jun 19, 2023 17:17:27 GMT
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