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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 18:13:12 GMT
we lost 3 points to Armenia - expected to win yes but We took 4 points from Croatia which were unexpected yes? So pointless going on about Armenia 3 points lost if you fail to mention the 4 we took off the tops seeds. This group is mental they are all taking points off each other our group is the only group where the bottom seed have won a game Like I said in the other thread that Armenia loss could hurt us. If they've just got our number as a nation and we lose to them again we're sitting out the Euros. I don't really care about the other groups to be honest, the bottom seeds were only Latvia. Under Toshack that was still a 6 pointer. At the end of the day we either qualify or we dont. The campaign is a success or it isnt. Page has failed or succeeded. The what ifs go out of the window and the result is finalised. Might be harsh from my end but if we take 4 points off Croatia and none off Armenia it has been a failure of a campaign. Luckily we could still have the lifeline of a Playoff. Again obviously if we succeed and win that I'll forget about Armenia. the Armenia result hurt us but we gained 4 points against croatia, its an open group ... Latvia was a 6 pointer for us so not sure of your point there Yes at the end of the day the bigger picture is qualification, which thanks to the croatia points is now in our hands |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 16, 2023 18:18:26 GMT
Conor definitely turns back or sideways more than he used to. Gunter is somehow part of the coaching setup, hopefully he does not influence Neco in the way he plays and I assume he knows he himself was too limited to attack the way Neco does. However, Conor definitely looked forward when he started playing for Wales to good effect so its a bit disappointing that he has become far more conservative, especially when we have 5 at the back and 2 genuine holding midfield players! That's fair comment, but Neco benefits a lot having the quality of Davies backing him up. Roberts may have been given a more conservative brief by Page given the quality of the opposition. Hopefully he'll be given more of a licence to get forwards against Armenia. Don't forget Connor's throw ins. We would be out of the qualification picture altogether if it wasn't for his last ditch throw in away to Croatia. |
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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2023 18:30:18 GMT
Conor definitely turns back or sideways more than he used to. Gunter is somehow part of the coaching setup, hopefully he does not influence Neco in the way he plays and I assume he knows he himself was too limited to attack the way Neco does. However, Conor definitely looked forward when he started playing for Wales to good effect so its a bit disappointing that he has become far more conservative, especially when we have 5 at the back and 2 genuine holding midfield players! That's fair comment, but Neco benefits a lot having the quality of Davies backing him up. Roberts may have been given a more conservative brief by Page given the quality of the opposition. Hopefully he'll be given more of a licence to get forwards against Armenia. Don't forget Connor's throw ins. We would be out of the qualification picture altogether if it wasn't for his last ditch throw in away to Croatia. Fair enough and I think you or someone else made the point about the weaker protection he has down his side. Just wish we could see more of the old Conor again - just hope he starts looking forward for the pass first again! If not then he could soon have Neco breathing down his neck as Beck looks like he may challenge for one of the full back slots in a couple of years if he improves his defending! |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 16, 2023 19:30:47 GMT
Connor and Brooks should be able to play the one twos that Connor excels at, so hopefully that partnership should flourish in time.
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Post by cymro on Oct 16, 2023 19:58:15 GMT
I don't have anything more intellectual to share other than best night at the CCS for a long time. We were due one of those. Absolutely electric 2nd half, still buzzing!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 16, 2023 20:31:50 GMT
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Post by welshrover on Oct 16, 2023 20:51:37 GMT
I don't have anything more intellectual to share other than best night at the CCS for a long time. We were due one of those. Absolutely electric 2nd half, still buzzing! Cymro, summed it up well, even the anthem appeared to have something extra about it, and it set the tone for the night. A tremendous night, the despair on the faces of the Croatian players I think said more than the joy on the faces of the Welsh players, they really didn't know what had hit them. As I have said previously, so sorry to repeat but the best I have seen a Wales team play for a long time. Still buzzing to be honest! |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 16, 2023 20:55:20 GMT
Also buzzing here, amazing atmosphere and celebrations. The double header can’t come quick enough
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 17, 2023 10:38:26 GMT
Like I said in the other thread that Armenia loss could hurt us. If they've just got our number as a nation and we lose to them again we're sitting out the Euros. I don't really care about the other groups to be honest, the bottom seeds were only Latvia. Under Toshack that was still a 6 pointer. At the end of the day we either qualify or we dont. The campaign is a success or it isnt. Page has failed or succeeded. The what ifs go out of the window and the result is finalised. Might be harsh from my end but if we take 4 points off Croatia and none off Armenia it has been a failure of a campaign. Luckily we could still have the lifeline of a Playoff. Again obviously if we succeed and win that I'll forget about Armenia. the Armenia result hurt us but we gained 4 points against croatia, its an open group ... Latvia was a 6 pointer for us so not sure of your point there Yes at the end of the day the bigger picture is qualification, which thanks to the croatia points is now in our hands My point on Latvia was even at our worst point under Toshack when we couldn't string results together we still would have taken 6 off that Latvian team. Like I said if we qualify brilliant, but if we end up missing out due to 2 matches against Armenia I won't be celebrating beating Croatia. That's something the Wales of old used to do, we've moved on as a nation. Might do that again in 10 years if we don't have the resoures to compete with other countries anymore, but certainly not the time yet. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 17, 2023 13:35:56 GMT
the Armenia result hurt us but we gained 4 points against croatia, its an open group ... Latvia was a 6 pointer for us so not sure of your point there Yes at the end of the day the bigger picture is qualification, which thanks to the croatia points is now in our hands My point on Latvia was even at our worst point under Toshack when we couldn't string results together we still would have taken 6 off that Latvian team. Like I said if we qualify brilliant, but if we end up missing out due to 2 matches against Armenia I won't be celebrating beating Croatia. That's something the Wales of old used to do, we've moved on as a nation. Might do that again in 10 years if we don't have the resoures to compete with other countries anymore, but certainly not the time yet. And we beat latvia under page - what do you expect us to beat them with 9 men to prove a point. You can only beat what's in front of you yeh? The wales old would never have take 4 points off croatia, i think youre just hung up on that results as its your chance to prove page has failed and you won't give in that those 4 points against the tops seed are bloody brilliant. Give the man some credit. We won against croatia thats basically nullified the armenia result. If we finish second will you still moan we didnt finish first because of that result? come on its the best result we've had since belgium |
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Post by aberbeeg on Oct 18, 2023 8:55:12 GMT
Stunning, especially giving that we were missing Ramsey and Johnson. If we get the job done in Armenia anything is possible but I fancy us in a play off if it comes to that. The play offs will be a completely different kettle of fish. We need to qualify from the group. |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 18, 2023 14:00:29 GMT
Loving the Redwall + highlights. No commentary, just the crowd. Acoustics are spot on. Ground level cameras. 35 mins well worth it
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 18, 2023 14:20:40 GMT
Stunning, especially giving that we were missing Ramsey and Johnson. If we get the job done in Armenia anything is possible but I fancy us in a play off if it comes to that. The play offs will be a completely different kettle of fish. We need to qualify from the group. Looking like a playoff will be the harder route now |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 18, 2023 14:31:37 GMT
The play offs will be a completely different kettle of fish. We need to qualify from the group. Looking like a playoff will be the harder route now Armenia mathematically can still qualify. That’s the harder one for me than the already qualified Turks. Turks got no skin in the game. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 18, 2023 14:51:37 GMT
Looking like a playoff will be the harder route now Armenia mathematically can still qualify. That’s the harder one for me than the already qualified Turks. Turks got no skin in the game. Exactly, but it certainly beats a home game against Ukraine/Norway followed by an away game against Poland |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 18, 2023 14:52:54 GMT
Armenia mathematically can still qualify. That’s the harder one for me than the already qualified Turks. Turks got no skin in the game. Exactly, but it certainly beats a home game against Ukraine/Norway followed by an away game against Poland Absolutely |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Oct 18, 2023 15:37:55 GMT
Armenia mathematically can still qualify. That’s the harder one for me than the already qualified Turks. Turks got no skin in the game. Exactly, but it certainly beats a home game against Ukraine/Norway followed by an away game against Poland I'd take a home game against Ukraine and another home match against Poland as a contingency though. |
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Post by wft on Oct 18, 2023 15:50:33 GMT
Loving the Redwall + highlights. No commentary, just the crowd. Acoustics are spot on. Ground level cameras. 35 mins well worth it Exellent....viewing .....BUT!!!!!What are the rules for throw ins? have they changed? .They could rule out a goal we may score via VAR, if we were found guilty of taking a foul throw that led to the goal.......just saying. |
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Post by alarch on Oct 18, 2023 15:55:44 GMT
One thing that bugged me about the game is that Croatia's goal came from a corner after they'd nearly scored. However, the ball played through our defence in the build-up to that chance was clearly offside. Had they scored it would have been ruled out by VAR, but because they didn't they got a corner they shouldn't have, from which they scored. That's not right.
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Post by wft on Oct 18, 2023 16:13:28 GMT
One thing that bugged me about the game is that Croatia's goal came from a corner after they'd nearly scored. However, the ball played through our defence in the build-up to that chance was clearly offside. Had they scored it would have been ruled out by VAR, but because they didn't they got a corner they shouldn't have, from which they scored. That's not right. Yeah i thought the same, now you've reminded me it's bugged me some more. |
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Post by iantov on Oct 18, 2023 16:45:03 GMT
One thing that bugged me about the game is that Croatia's goal came from a corner after they'd nearly scored. However, the ball played through our defence in the build-up to that chance was clearly offside. Had they scored it would have been ruled out by VAR, but because they didn't they got a corner they shouldn't have, from which they scored. That's not right. Yes, I noticed this during the game also and it wasn't even a marginal call, it was an easy offside. VAR could not interject as a goal had not been scored from the initial pass but it would have royally pissed me off if they had gone on get an equaliser. |
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Post by welshrover on Oct 18, 2023 16:58:40 GMT
One thing that bugged me about the game is that Croatia's goal came from a corner after they'd nearly scored. However, the ball played through our defence in the build-up to that chance was clearly offside. Had they scored it would have been ruled out by VAR, but because they didn't they got a corner they shouldn't have, from which they scored. That's not right. Yes, I noticed this during the game also and it wasn't even a marginal call, it was an easy offside. VAR could not interject as a goal had not been scored from the initial pass but it would have royally pissed me off if they had gone on get an equaliser. VAR was not in operation during the game. According to Nic Parry it was an FAW decision not to use VAR. I didn't know the individual FA's could make the decision. |
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Post by underwood on Oct 18, 2023 17:15:33 GMT
We might have been better off letting it go in - the linesman might have stuck his flag up.
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Post by superunknown on Oct 18, 2023 17:43:50 GMT
Looking like a playoff will be the harder route now Armenia mathematically can still qualify. That’s the harder one for me than the already qualified Turks. Turks got no skin in the game. They will want to be in a high a pot as possible come the draw for the tournament. Unlikely they’ll make Pot 1 but they’ll want to avoid slipping to Pot 3 with a loss to us, they’re still playing for something. |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 18, 2023 17:54:27 GMT
One thing that bugged me about the game is that Croatia's goal came from a corner after they'd nearly scored. However, the ball played through our defence in the build-up to that chance was clearly offside. Had they scored it would have been ruled out by VAR, but because they didn't they got a corner they shouldn't have, from which they scored. That's not right. explained here corner then a different phase no VAR for goal line tech |
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 18, 2023 17:59:33 GMT
Loving the Redwall + highlights. No commentary, just the crowd. Acoustics are spot on. Ground level cameras. 35 mins well worth it That ball from Ampadu to Brooks before the Wilson free-kick  |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 18, 2023 18:56:35 GMT
Loving the Redwall + highlights. No commentary, just the crowd. Acoustics are spot on. Ground level cameras. 35 mins well worth it That ball from Ampadu to Brooks before the Wilson free-kick Or Roberts' long ball to James that initiated the attack that led to the second goal. |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 18, 2023 21:08:37 GMT
My point on Latvia was even at our worst point under Toshack when we couldn't string results together we still would have taken 6 off that Latvian team. Like I said if we qualify brilliant, but if we end up missing out due to 2 matches against Armenia I won't be celebrating beating Croatia. That's something the Wales of old used to do, we've moved on as a nation. Might do that again in 10 years if we don't have the resoures to compete with other countries anymore, but certainly not the time yet. And we beat latvia under page - what do you expect us to beat them with 9 men to prove a point. You can only beat what's in front of you yeh? The wales old would never have take 4 points off croatia, i think youre just hung up on that results as its your chance to prove page has failed and you won't give in that those 4 points against the tops seed are bloody brilliant. Give the man some credit. We won against croatia thats basically nullified the armenia result. If we finish second will you still moan we didnt finish first because of that result? come on its the best result we've had since belgium No if we finish 2nd I'd be delighted. If we finish 4th will you still be celebrating drawing and beating Croatia? |
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Post by pclaude on Oct 18, 2023 23:01:38 GMT
And we beat latvia under page - what do you expect us to beat them with 9 men to prove a point. You can only beat what's in front of you yeh? The wales old would never have take 4 points off croatia, i think youre just hung up on that results as its your chance to prove page has failed and you won't give in that those 4 points against the tops seed are bloody brilliant. Give the man some credit. We won against croatia thats basically nullified the armenia result. If we finish second will you still moan we didnt finish first because of that result? come on its the best result we've had since belgium No if we finish 2nd I'd be delighted. If we finish 4th will you still be celebrating drawing and beating Croatia? If we finish second, Croatia would have dropped points to Armenia and/or Latvia |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Oct 19, 2023 4:16:34 GMT
we lost 3 points to Armenia - expected to win yes but We took 4 points from Croatia which were unexpected yes? So pointless going on about Armenia 3 points lost if you fail to mention the 4 we took off the tops seeds. This group is mental they are all taking points off each other our group is the only group where the bottom seed have won a game Like I said in the other thread that Armenia loss could hurt us. If they've just got our number as a nation and we lose to them again we're sitting out the Euros. I don't really care about the other groups to be honest, the bottom seeds were only Latvia. Under Toshack that was still a 6 pointer. At the end of the day we either qualify or we dont. The campaign is a success or it isnt. Page has failed or succeeded. The what ifs go out of the window and the result is finalised. Might be harsh from my end but if we take 4 points off Croatia and none off Armenia it has been a failure of a campaign. Luckily we could still have the lifeline of a Playoff. Again obviously if we succeed and win that I'll forget about Armenia. That's a bold claim. I remember watching us scrape wins against San Marino and Liechtenstein under Tosh. We were dogshit back then and we certainly wouldn't have taken 4 points off the top seeds. Regardless Page and the group have proven a lot of us wrong yet again. I thought the journey was over after the WC but we have managed to get ourselves in a great position to qualify once more. Let's forget about the play-offs for now, we need 6 points from two winnable games to get to Germany and I think we will do it. |
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