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Post by ddirpytnop on Nov 16, 2024 21:37:38 GMT
They drew the lines and determined it was offside. There's no argument. B-b-but we won 1-0! I thought it was 2-0. It would have been if those sneaky officials hadn't moved the goalpost that prevented Wilson's shot from going in. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 21:42:43 GMT
I thought it was 2-0. It would have been if those sneaky officials hadn't moved the goalpost that prevented Wilson's shot from going in. Should have been 5-0 mate. Wales are the winners in everyone’s hearts! |
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Post by surge on Nov 16, 2024 21:45:37 GMT
Harris has some good moments:
- he made a good run but went too early, he played good and measured ball to James for the "goal"
- he kept the ball in and again played good, measured ball to Wilson,
- he's got energy, decent pace and works hard
But he's no Kieffer Moore, he's not going to hold the ball up or win headers, and perhaps this is a game where he was needed. I thought Dan James had pretty good game off the bench and added some composure.
I'm not a fan of Cullen really, but what I would say is that he did well enough when coming on. He's got energy and a football brain, that and a loyalty to his club has made him a Championship player because I don't think he's naturally good at anything, and Bellamy seems to view him as possible number 10 which I don't dislike.
Will say it again, every manager has had a performance which binds squad and fans together. This could easily be it, plenty of hwyl on display.
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 21:46:16 GMT
I’m not convinced our goal was offside. I was under the impression that arms and hands are not considered in offside decisions as they can’t be used to play the ball. Am I going mad or suffering from dementia? I think they gave a convenient decision as the incompetent lino raised the flag too early. As far as I can remember from the Euros the standard is different from a defender to an attacker. The offside line starts at the defender’s shoulder but an attacker’s arm is offside. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 16, 2024 21:51:48 GMT
I’m not convinced our goal was offside. I was under the impression that arms and hands are not considered in offside decisions as they can’t be used to play the ball. Am I going mad or suffering from dementia? I think they gave a convenient decision as the incompetent lino raised the flag too early. You can play the ball with your shoulder, so that will count, which is fair enough. It was marginally offside. Excellent finish from Jordan James mind, shame to see his first Cymru goal chalked off for such a marginal decision. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 16, 2024 21:56:27 GMT
"Defending the box, we're exceptional, so that’s credit to previous managers. We’re really strong putting bodies on the line. "I knew there would be a bit of pain today, it was a difficult game against really good opposition. Can we improve on the ball? Can our angles, can our timing be right? That’s what we need to improve on." Classy of Bellamy to credit Page for the defensive display, which I think is fair comment. Glad he's not glossing over our attacking deficiencies. But then I never thought he would. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c89vkewxj7jo |
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Post by pclaude on Nov 16, 2024 22:15:43 GMT
I think they bottled it cause she flagged so damn early for such a tight call. They drew the lines and determined it was offside. There's no argument. There’s a line on the pitch. It looks very onside to me. Have you seen any other lines drawn? |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 16, 2024 22:22:13 GMT
Fair play, you’re indefatigable. I assume we both want Wales to do well ultimately so I guess we can just leave it there Shots on target: 0 Shots off target: 2 Possession: 42% Page would get battered for that, let’s be honest. Page would've taken off all our main players cause we have a big game in 6 months time, despite it being 0-0. We actually put the ball in the net and Türkiye did not. We also hit the post and it came back out whereas their pen hit it and went out. We came closer to scoring than they did. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 16, 2024 22:25:55 GMT
Are you for real or what? Er, yes I am. So Harris putting in a great assist in this game after clattering Rodon minutes before and him being a big part of the Bale late winner out in Russia v Belarus is just flukey and he's actually craptastic?? |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 16, 2024 22:26:47 GMT
I think they bottled it cause she flagged so damn early for such a tight call. They drew the lines and determined it was offside. There's no argument. We've seen those given in the PL! |
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Post by morg on Nov 16, 2024 22:38:57 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 16, 2024 22:54:59 GMT
How is it emperor's new clothes when we just bettered Page's result out in Turkey, and hit the post and had a disallowed goal along the way? You're forcing a comparison to Page that doesn't hold up I'm afraid With the greatest of respect Page had a somewhat harsh red against him, this curtailing his competitiveness. And it’s somewhat weak to appeal to a “goal” that was clearly not legal. As I intimated earlier, let’s not try and be triumphalist over other posters using bizarre means to do so (clearly offside goals) Let’s accept the laws of the game and come away with a positive result we can build on whatever your thoughts on Bwllamy’s style It was a harsh red but we were playing the same way before the red and it didn't change the trajectory of the game really. Page was also lucky in that he had Ampadu and Ramsey to call upon, Bellamy has faced this task needing to play JJ & Sheehan in his midfield. So both had big challenges to overcome in this fixture. Crucially Bellamy got the point and Page didn't, so something in their approaches may well have contributed towards that. You'll call it luck or emperor's clothes, but I felt we tried to do many things differently today that made it more difficult for Turkey, even though they controlled the game better |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 16, 2024 22:55:18 GMT
Looking at the penalty decision again I don't think Neco gets anything on the ball, although it's not possible to be 100% sure. The Turkish forward certainly cushions the ball and Neco's foot gets very close to the ball, but I don't think there's actual contact before he certainly makes contact with the forward. Reluctantly I would have to agree with the ref on this one.
With the Wilson effort against the post - how unlucky were we that the ball only just evaded Johnson on the follow-up.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 16, 2024 23:03:30 GMT
On reflection we were lucky to escape with a point. Apart from the one-on-one first half, there was the effort of the Turkish striker's knee from 6 yards that could easily have gone in, Guler's effort from inside the box and the penalty. Whereas we had the Wilson effort and the marginally offside decision. I'm looking forward to seeing what happened to the Brooks effort from a low cross, as it seemed to be a good opportunity, but we never got to see a replay. But on balance we were a tad fortunate overall.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 16, 2024 23:03:52 GMT
Even 46 seconds with no lines, he looks onside going off the grass. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 16, 2024 23:07:10 GMT
Fair play, you’re indefatigable. I assume we both want Wales to do well ultimately so I guess we can just leave it there Yeah, those “early chances”. What early chances are those? Looking at the stats is pretty painful reading: Shots on target: 0 Shots off target: 2 Possession: 42% Page would get battered for that, let’s be honest. So, tell me all about those early chances again *plumps up cushions*….. Shots on target don't really tell you anything about the game though. We had the ball in the Turkey net and Wilson was inches away from scoring, neither come up as a "shots on target" but were significant actions Turkey's penalty wasn't a shot on target yet it was more significant that Arda Guler rolling rubbish shots at Darlow that do count as "shots on target" I know it's easier to point to shots on target and just use that to compare to Page. But if you honestly think tonight wasn't much closer to getting a win in Turkey than when we played them with Page as manager then I guess we're watching different games altogether |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 16, 2024 23:09:41 GMT
Even 46 seconds with no lines, he looks onside going off the grass. "Clearly offside" though according to some on here! 😂 They drew the lines and showed it on S4C and he was a few inches offside tops, and it was his shoulder that was offside. So close to nabbing a winner with that |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 16, 2024 23:12:06 GMT
Even 46 seconds with no lines, he looks onside going off the grass. "Clearly offside" though according to some on here! 😂 They drew the lines and showed it on S4C and he was a few inches offside tops, and it was his shoulder that was offside. So close to nabbing a winner with that If you look at the lineswoman, she is certainly ahead of Harris. She should be in line with the last defender. It's onside alright. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 23:25:25 GMT
With the greatest of respect Page had a somewhat harsh red against him, this curtailing his competitiveness. And it’s somewhat weak to appeal to a “goal” that was clearly not legal. As I intimated earlier, let’s not try and be triumphalist over other posters using bizarre means to do so (clearly offside goals) Let’s accept the laws of the game and come away with a positive result we can build on whatever your thoughts on Bwllamy’s style It was a harsh red but we were playing the same way before the red and it didn't change the trajectory of the game really. Page was also lucky in that he had Ampadu and Ramsey to call upon, Bellamy has faced this task needing to play JJ & Sheehan in his midfield. So both had big challenges to overcome in this fixture. Crucially Bellamy got the point and Page didn't, so something in their approaches may well have contributed towards that. You'll call it luck or emperor's clothes, but I felt we tried to do many things differently today that made it more difficult for Turkey, even though they controlled the game better Shots on target: 0 Viva la revolución |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 23:28:43 GMT
Even 46 seconds with no lines, he looks onside going off the grass. "Clearly offside" though according to some on here! 😂 They drew the lines and showed it on S4C and he was a few inches offside tops, and it was his shoulder that was offside. So close to nabbing a winner with that Please don’t. We’re as accurate as ever with offsides these days. This whole clutching at straws “he would be onside if only he wasn’t” stuff is poor and if that’s all we have to cling to it says it all. Be gracious and have some respect. If it went the other way your post count would be through the roof demanding justice for an offside that should have been. We all play by the same rules. We had zero shots on target at the end of the day. Not great. Ultimately a hard gained point that necessitated them missing a penalty (which we just about deserved them missing imo). Let’s dust ourselves down, write this one off and go again |
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Post by ddirpytnop on Nov 16, 2024 23:40:04 GMT
So Harris putting in a great assist in this game after clattering Rodon minutes before and him being a big part of the Bale late winner out in Russia v Belarus is just flukey and he's actually craptastic?? He has moments when he's good but not enough to cut it at this level. He's always been the same. I watched him a couple of weeks ago playing for Oxford. He was really poor throughout and hasn't scored for them since August. It was easy to see why. Furthermore, he wasted a couple of excellent attacking opportunities today with his general indecisiveness. And he was also at fault for the incident with Rodon. He had no business going up for that ball. It was Rodon's to deal with. Like I say, he did brilliantly today when he set up Wilson for the shot that hit the post, and he picked out JJ well for the disallowed goal (although he was offside, like it or not), but I see no point in pretending that those positives outweigh the many negatives. They don't. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 23:44:32 GMT
So Harris putting in a great assist in this game after clattering Rodon minutes before and him being a big part of the Bale late winner out in Russia v Belarus is just flukey and he's actually craptastic?? He has moments when he's good but not enough to cut it at this level. He's always been the same. I watched him a couple of weeks ago playing for Oxford. He was really poor throughout and hasn't scored for them since August. It was easy to see why. Furthermore, he wasted a couple of excellent attacking opportunities today with his general indecisiveness. And he was also at fault for the incident with Rodon. He had no business going up for that ball. It was Rodon's to deal with. Like I say, he did brilliantly today when he set up Wilson for the shot that hit the post, and he picked out JJ well for the disallowed goal (although he was offside, like it or not), but I see no point in pretending that those positives outweigh the many negatives. They don't. His cameo against Belarus will be talked about until the end of time. One of the all time great Welsh performances |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 23:50:27 GMT
So Harris putting in a great assist in this game after clattering Rodon minutes before and him being a big part of the Bale late winner out in Russia v Belarus is just flukey and he's actually craptastic?? He has moments when he's good but not enough to cut it at this level. He's always been the same. I watched him a couple of weeks ago playing for Oxford. He was really poor throughout and hasn't scored for them since August. It was easy to see why. Furthermore, he wasted a couple of excellent attacking opportunities today with his general indecisiveness. And he was also at fault for the incident with Rodon. He had no business going up for that ball. It was Rodon's to deal with. Like I say, he did brilliantly today when he set up Wilson for the shot that hit the post, and he picked out JJ well for the disallowed goal (although he was offside, like it or not), but I see no point in pretending that those positives outweigh the many negatives. They don't. I saw him last season too and thought much the same. Very non-descript. He scored to be fair but it was a speculative shot from 25 yards that took an insane deflection. Other than that anonymous in an Oxford loss to my local team. On the whole I wanted to be impressed but was left feeling flat on him. If I’m honest it doesn’t surprise me that Oxford have now dropped him. It seems welsh players get nothing easy and if you’re not scoring you’re done and it’s that way with Harris. His heroics last season forgotten and he’s on the bench for the foreseeable, as at Cardiff. Not a starter for Wales, for me, as a result |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 16, 2024 23:50:44 GMT
So Harris putting in a great assist in this game after clattering Rodon minutes before and him being a big part of the Bale late winner out in Russia v Belarus is just flukey and he's actually craptastic?? He has moments when he's good but not enough to cut it at this level. He's always been the same. I watched him a couple of weeks ago playing for Oxford. He was really poor throughout and hasn't scored for them since August. It was easy to see why. Furthermore, he wasted a couple of excellent attacking opportunities today with his general indecisiveness. And he was also at fault for the incident with Rodon. He had no business going up for that ball. It was Rodon's to deal with. Like I say, he did brilliantly today when he set up Wilson for the shot that hit the post, and he picked out JJ well for the disallowed goal (although he was offside, like it or not), but I see no point in pretending that those positives outweigh the many negatives. They don't. He's not Messi or CR7 but he's a valuable player... it's why he is playing. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 23:52:30 GMT
He has moments when he's good but not enough to cut it at this level. He's always been the same. I watched him a couple of weeks ago playing for Oxford. He was really poor throughout and hasn't scored for them since August. It was easy to see why. Furthermore, he wasted a couple of excellent attacking opportunities today with his general indecisiveness. And he was also at fault for the incident with Rodon. He had no business going up for that ball. It was Rodon's to deal with. Like I say, he did brilliantly today when he set up Wilson for the shot that hit the post, and he picked out JJ well for the disallowed goal (although he was offside, like it or not), but I see no point in pretending that those positives outweigh the many negatives. They don't. He's not Messi or CR7 but he's a valuable player... it's why he is playing. If you say so |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 16, 2024 23:53:43 GMT
He's not Messi or CR7 but he's a valuable player... it's why he is playing. If you say so Well Craig Bellamy certainly thinks so and that is certainly good enough for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 23:57:17 GMT
Well Craig Bellamy certainly thinks so and that is certainly good enough for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Harris to be fair contributed to the best statistic of the night: shots on target 0 Bellamy might soon be re-evaluating his striker options. And if he isn’t, he should be |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2024 0:04:00 GMT
Well Craig Bellamy certainly thinks so and that is certainly good enough for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Harris to be fair contributed to the best statistic of the night: shots on target 0 On another night he has two assists. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 17, 2024 0:44:26 GMT
Harris to be fair contributed to the best statistic of the night: shots on target 0 On another night he has two assists. Dream assists are my favourite. Did I ever tell you about the time I won the premier league with Rotherham whilst scoring 60 goals? I wasn’t always just a loser posting on apostle after games I’ll have you know….. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 17, 2024 0:49:12 GMT
On another night he has two assists. Dream assists are my favourite. Did I ever tell you about the time I won the premier league with Rotherham whilst scoring 60 goals? I wasn’t always just a loser posting on apostle after games I’ll have you know….. They weren't dreams though? The one did go in the net. The other was inches away. No more to be said on the matter. |
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