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Post by jimexotic on Dec 12, 2022 23:28:51 GMT
I can see him playing on until he's 37/38 so if he finds a way to have an Indian Summer he's got to be considered. Be very surprised if the FAW go there, personally. Me too, I always feel uncomfortable discussing Ched Evans but I know enough people that work very high up in law to know that I shouldn't, it wouldn't be a good look for Wales if he was called up though purely because of what has stuck to his name. |
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Post by talyfan on Jan 3, 2023 9:39:14 GMT
Scored again, great header from the front post.
www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/ryan-lowe-shares-key-preston-25880453Article from PNE manager inc. comments on Ched and Ben Woodburn. Winning Goal "It epitomises the group - all of us," said Lowe. "When you have people like Ched, who is willing to run the hard yards for you - it sets examples and that is what he is doing, setting examples. Because sometimes we can't play pretty football or the brand we want, so we have to spin it in behind at times. I thought we played some decent stuff today, off the top of my head, but the resilience and the character shown - Ched leads from the front with that." On Ched Evans "That's what he does and fair play to Ched, the credit goes to him," Lowe told LancsLive. "We put him in the team and he's battling away. Sometimes we've gone too long to him and he was up against a top class centre-half in Souttar today. He got booked for elbowing him in the nose early on and then he's sort of walking on thin ice. He can't then do too much to him, so that was good for us, but in terms of Ched his belief, desire and commitment is different class. And now he's scoring goals with all of that." On Emil Riis' injury and Ben Woodburn's introduction "I am not sure if it affected us in terms of the performance or helped us, I don't know," said Lowe. "Ben Woodburn, what he did do, was press from every angle he could. As I've said, he is one of the best pressers and Emil is one of the best at running in behind. We were gutted to lose Emil and will have to see how he is, but when you've got that change straight away. Ben can drop into little pockets and you see him winning the ball back from behind defenders and midfielders. He is good at that, so I think it certainly helped us with regaining the ball. "You miss your striker in Emil, who can really get in behind and had started the game good - holding the ball up well. But, things happen for a reason don't they? We just asked Ben to make some channel runs because we wanted to get them turning in some areas, which we did. And Ben made loads of good runs. If anyone was coming short it was going to be Ched and then we'd be using (Ben's) bit of pace, because he's fast Ben when he gets going. He is not slow. We asked him to do a bit of work from behind and his distance covered - I will have to see - but it will have been big." |
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Post by jimexotic on Jan 3, 2023 18:01:16 GMT
6 goals in 20 league appearances but, more crucially, 6 in his last 7 games. We have a lot of players scoring goals in the lower divisions, maybe one or two can make a step up, even at 34 I wouldn't be against Ched getting a call up again, some paint him as Peter Sutcliffe but I'll keep quiet on my thoughts. I think if he hits 7 or 8 more goals between now and the end of the season it's deserving of a call up.
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Post by surge on Jan 3, 2023 19:32:07 GMT
We've spent a lot of time stressing "together stronger" and trying to represent our country in a really positive way. There were one or two miss-steps at the World Cup (Page saying he'd focus on winning rather than protesting the shutting down an anti-discrimination protest and too many comments about England) and recalling Ched is too obvious a risk, potentially(?) sizeably weakening our position on women's inclusion having just slightly(?) weakened our position on LGBTQ+ rights.
I'm perfectly aware of the legal outcome but playing for your country should be an honour, whereas playing football professionally is a job, and it's one he lost the right to.
Even if you want to look at it from a purely footballing position, he's 34 and has only just scored the same number of goals as Tom Ince but with fewer goal contributions overall. If we can't find better or at least equally good but younger players than that, then we're in real trouble.
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Post by rushy on Jan 3, 2023 20:03:39 GMT
I'd have him in my squad Ched has nothing to feel concerned about .
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Post by jimexotic on Jan 3, 2023 20:18:36 GMT
Are we saying that if you are not guilty you should still be treated as guilty? He was guilty of cheating on his girlfriend, that is all. If we're hanging out players t dry for that I think we'd find it hard to get a squad together.
I understand what you are saying in terms of how it would look for us but that is an issue with society that needs sorting, not something that Ched Evans needs to be worrying about, he's not guilty of rape.
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Post by insertname on Jan 3, 2023 20:18:42 GMT
I'm perfectly aware of the legal outcome but playing for your country should be an honour, whereas playing football professionally is a job, and it's one he lost the right to. He didn’t lose the right, the British justice system took it off him. It’s an important distinction. He should never have been prosecuted and one could even argue (after reading chapter and verse about the case) that he was fitted up because of who he is. The only thing the bloke is guilty of is cheating on his girlfriend and if that was the yardstick by which we judge the morality of our players I doubt we’d ever be able to fill a squad! |
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Post by rushy on Jan 3, 2023 20:32:56 GMT
The girlfriend he is now married to and have a young child together, good luck to them.
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Post by surge on Jan 3, 2023 23:09:23 GMT
Everyone will have their opinion and I'm sure they've been discussed thoroughly in this thread already, as have I now as well.
Ched is 34 now, will be nearly 35 by time first round of qualification for Euros is over (35 by end of second round of qualification) and already halfway to 36 by time Euros 2024 starts. He so far has fewer goal contributions than Tom Ince and is not the first name to come to mind when talking about freshening up the squad/thinking about our future after World Cup disappointment.
All this being very unfortunate for us based on the potential he showed as a much younger man, especially in that 07-08 season, but it's really not worth it to say anything more.
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Post by redwallnews on Jan 3, 2023 23:43:55 GMT
Get him in the squad!!!
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Post by bringbackelmo on Jan 4, 2023 17:22:29 GMT
I unfollowed you on twitter because of this embarrassing nonsense. It blows my mind that people are somehow still calling for this.
The guy will be 63 and some Andrew Tate wannabes will still think he should be playing for Wales.
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Post by jimexotic on Jan 4, 2023 19:21:57 GMT
All of this post is a bit radical, he's 34 and showing signs that he might be about to have an Indian summer end to his career. He's also been proven not guilty, it was dodgy as hell from the off, I know plenty of people who work in law who thought it was really badly handled. He got drunk and cheated on his girlfriend, wrongly went to prison for rape and has been trying to rebuild his career ever since.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 11, 2023 17:22:42 GMT
Ched makes a late bid for the squad vs Croatia with a late,late goal for Preston against Cardiff today.
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Post by manulike on Mar 11, 2023 20:05:18 GMT
Ched makes a late bid for the squad vs Croatia with a late,late goal for Preston against Cardiff today. Get your passport ready, Chedders lad! |
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Post by Belle Vue on Mar 11, 2023 20:30:42 GMT
Surely has to be in the squad
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Post by talyfan on Mar 12, 2023 11:59:17 GMT
If he didn't have the baggage that came with calling up he genuinely would be considered in my opinion.
However, what ever your stance on the matter is we don't need the focus to be put on him when selected. Sole focus needs to be about winning games and qualifying.
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 12, 2023 12:12:37 GMT
The annoying thing is that the baggage is totally unjust. Half of England's "Golden Generation" did a lot worse than Ched but that's all swept under the carpet and Ched goes straight to the top of public enemy number 1 because he was wrongly accused of something and the British legal system made a complete hash of it.
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Post by welshrover on Mar 12, 2023 12:28:42 GMT
The annoying thing is that the baggage is totally unjust. Half of England's "Golden Generation" did a lot worse than Ched but that's all swept under the carpet and Ched goes straight to the top of public enemy number 1 because he was wrongly accused of something and the British legal system made a complete hash of it. Yes, i am always amazed when a particular player who was at Watford was idolised by the fan base there. |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 12, 2023 12:34:50 GMT
The annoying thing is that the baggage is totally unjust. Half of England's "Golden Generation" did a lot worse than Ched but that's all swept under the carpet and Ched goes straight to the top of public enemy number 1 because he was wrongly accused of something and the British legal system made a complete hash of it. Yes, i am always amazed when a particular player who was at Watford was idolised by the fan base there. Marcos Alonso, Luke McCormack and Lee Hughes - Killers Granted Hughes got a lot of grief initially, rightly so, McCormack seems to have had his slate wiped completely clean because he was remorseful and there was a slight element of accident in what he did but all of these guys have one thing in common, they acted unresponsibly and caused death as a result. As for Alonso, wtf On 3 May 2011, Alonso was the driver in an accident causing the death of a young woman in Madrid. He was the driver of a car that collided with a wall, killing one of the passengers, a 22-year-old woman, having been driving at 112.8 km/h (70.1 mph) in wet conditions in a 50 km/h (30 mph) zone, with a blood alcohol content of 0.93 mg/mL of blood. He faced 21 months in prison when sentenced in February 2016, but his punishment was changed to a €61,000 fine and a driving ban of three years and four months, which had already been spent |
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 12, 2023 13:16:46 GMT
The thing is, Ched has been allowed to carry on just like Hughes Alonso and McCormack, albeit Alonso’s career trajectory was at a much higher level.
Whether Wales would have selected any of them if they were Welsh like they haven’t selected Ched, we’ll never know.
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 12, 2023 13:37:28 GMT
Not before having prime years of his career and career development stolen from him.
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Post by Belle Vue on Mar 12, 2023 14:44:28 GMT
Resumed his career after being found NOT guilty
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Post by Belle Vue on Mar 12, 2023 14:56:31 GMT
Ps
Did Ched kill anyone?
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 12, 2023 16:02:48 GMT
He cheated on his girlfriend, which is worse than getting in a car drunk and wiping people out and it requires a public hate campaign. |
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Post by Belle Vue on Mar 12, 2023 16:43:40 GMT
How can cheating on your girlfriend be worse than getting behind the wheel drunk ?? Are you serious?
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 12, 2023 17:16:23 GMT
How can cheating on your girlfriend be worse than getting behind the wheel drunk ?? Are you serious? Perhaps my sarcasm was a little too thick there |
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Post by Belle Vue on Mar 12, 2023 18:32:54 GMT
Killing someone while behind the wheel In whatever circumstances should carry a prison sentence
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Post by talyfan on Mar 12, 2023 21:36:31 GMT
It's not black and white. He's guilty in other people's minds and it really doesn't take much for the media to create a story. Just imagine the PR grief Page would have to deal with.
I won't give my personal opinion on the matter and goes against the grain on here. But for purely footballing reasons if he wanted to be selected, I don't think he'd be undeserving of a call up. Boats probably sailed now though.
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Post by gwernybwch on Mar 12, 2023 22:32:02 GMT
The annoying thing is that the baggage is totally unjust. Half of England's "Golden Generation" did a lot worse than Ched but that's all swept under the carpet and Ched goes straight to the top of public enemy number 1 because he was wrongly accused of something and the British legal system made a complete hash of it. If you know "plenty of people who work in law" show them your posts that suggests that "half of England's Golden Generation did a lot worse" and see what they advise you. Otherwise care to name those England players that were voyeurs and were the third sexual partner in very quick succession with a person who it was questionable had the ability to give consent? |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 12, 2023 23:28:35 GMT
The annoying thing is that the baggage is totally unjust. Half of England's "Golden Generation" did a lot worse than Ched but that's all swept under the carpet and Ched goes straight to the top of public enemy number 1 because he was wrongly accused of something and the British legal system made a complete hash of it. If you know "plenty of people who work in law" show them your posts that suggests that "half of England's Golden Generation did a lot worse" and see what they advise you. Otherwise care to name those England players that were voyeurs and were the third sexual partner in very quick succession with a person who it was questionable had the ability to give consent? Ched Evans cheated on his girlfriend, plenty of those England players cheated on their girlfriends, wives and mothers of their children. David Beckham, Wayne Rooney, John Terry to name but three. Cheating on the mother of your kids is worse than cheating on your girlfriend, I haven't even mentioned the racism from John Terry and players arrested for assault etc. |
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